Building a Low Energy Virtualization Server for Your Office/Homelab with Proxmox

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  • Following up on my low-energy FreeNAS build, here's another server build - this time for virtualization. In this video, you'll see the process of building a low-energy Proxmox server, and just like the last build - this one uses only around 55 watts!
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  • @MatthewYakel
    @MatthewYakel Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Wow this is fantastic I’m in the planning phase of upgrading a clients existing HP DL360 G8 servers. Now I’m thinking I may build them some. Also planning on moving them from ESXi to Proxmox. Thanks for sharing everything.

  • @GGBeyond
    @GGBeyond Pƙed 4 lety

    Thanks for the video! I plan to run servers for virtualization eventually. Videos like this one give me ideas on how pick out the hardware.

  • @smashogre4766
    @smashogre4766 Pƙed 4 lety +6

    I'm new to this channel and was wondering... anyone else find this kinda, well, soothing? The steady, calm delivery works! Great video, really enjoyed the content.

    • @nyanates
      @nyanates Pƙed 3 lety

      Y he’d be a great ASMR artist.

  • @parnashish1910
    @parnashish1910 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I keep coming back to this build! Nicely done.

  • @bobkoss280
    @bobkoss280 Pƙed 3 lety +48

    All the stuff that you did off camera - is exactly where I'm stuck.

    • @Tias2505
      @Tias2505 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      does that mean proxmox is not free?

    • @myblogginglab
      @myblogginglab Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@Tias2505 Uts Free to Use but if you need support you need to buy license

  • @nikiforossarantoglou5917
    @nikiforossarantoglou5917 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    Thanks for this type of content, they are very insightful!

  • @byt3swap375
    @byt3swap375 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

    I built a virtualization server using Proxmox a few years back using the same motherboard and a similar 2u case a few years back. Added an old quadro w/ PCIE passthrough for video transcoding and the thing works like a dream. It's been awesome a first "real" home server, running absolutely everything I need (with exception of a separate storage server) and has had pretty much zero downtime since building.
    The one thing I will say for anyone looking to use this board or similar (if you can find a deal on a several year old board), that passive heatsink really doesn't cut it if you aren't in a 1u case with loud high static pressure fans. I ended up designing a 3d printed fan mount that just pressure fits on the top of the heatsink, with a 20x40mm noctua fan blowing down on the heatsink. I haven't seen the CPU exceed 50c since installing (used to hit high 90s and throttle), and everything is still nice and quiet.

  • @barbarella7028
    @barbarella7028 Pƙed 4 lety +12

    Wow. I never knew that you could mount ISO images in the Supermicro IPMI. Thank you!!

  • @Roeland54
    @Roeland54 Pƙed 4 lety

    I have build a more budget friendly proxmox host with a ryzen 5 2600 last year. Running my nas, homeassistant, docker-host and some test vm's. I am very happy with it. Nice video!

  • @vertujoe2886
    @vertujoe2886 Pƙed 4 lety

    I got exact same chassis as yours. Sadly it's the most terrific build experience ever.

  • @satstube
    @satstube Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Great video thanks, so into low powered labs at the moment perfect for always on workloads

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety +3

      Absolutely, and my power usage has gone down quite a bit since I've started lowering my power usage. I've been looking for cost-savings throughout the house when it comes to power.

  • @CristobalRuiz
    @CristobalRuiz Pƙed 4 lety +1

    This! This is exactly what I look for in good content!

  • @davidg4512
    @davidg4512 Pƙed 4 lety +38

    Hey Jay, the proxmox team added a way to apply network changes without needing a reboot. Click apply configuration button. However, I should note that it will ask you to install a package, which will need a reboot (but only one time after installing it). Now you can make future network changes without ever needing a reboot.

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety +9

      That's good to know, they're always making improvements.

    • @sandmanmok589
      @sandmanmok589 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      You can install ifupdown2 in proxmox
      Then success

    • @reedux4753
      @reedux4753 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      @@LearnLinuxTV Its worth noting that the apply changes will cause all running vm/ct to loose network status so you will need to restart them or just restart the host machine like you normally would

  • @StarcoreLabs
    @StarcoreLabs Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great video! Keep them coming.

  • @lsatenstein
    @lsatenstein Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Hi NewYorker. How are you doing? I do hope the Corona virus has skipped over your household and that of your close family.
    I must say that I follow your presentations as a matter of course. I am a retired old IT guy, with limited need. And that need is to enjoy watching talented people like yourself.
    Regards from Montreal, Canada

  • @ianrobertson912
    @ianrobertson912 Pƙed 4 lety +7

    Thanks for the video. This is bit expensive. I have used Lenovo Tiny 93P got from ebay for US$125 and changed to SSD256BM and 16GB Ram. This set up cost me less than US200. It is core i5 Gen 2 cores 4 threads and work well for over a year running a) Debian-> Docker-> Home assistant to control 200+ devices running heaps of automations b) VM to run Blue Iris on Win7 with 10 cameras + Unifi controller for my unif network. I do have a HP Gen8 server with SAS drives (4)+ 8 Code (2 process) +24GB system configred proxmox but not running it as it uses over 250w and my Tiny PC uses less than 40w (my network rack use only 75w with Tiny 93P+ Synology 213 NAS+ Unif USG+ 2 PoE AC-Pros+ Modem+ Netgear Switch+ 3 Hubs for energy monitoring and home automatons). I am sure your system use more than 50w. So there is cheaper ways to get thing going and that does not need lot of power.

  • @KeithTingle
    @KeithTingle Pƙed 4 lety

    so many great things about this video, thank you so much

  • @MichaRutkowskiEngineering
    @MichaRutkowskiEngineering Pƙed 4 lety +4

    I also did 55W 4 years ago, but i went for cheaper option. I am using ASROCK j1900 motherboard with 16GB of ram, the TDP of the CPU is 10W. To that i added 1tb HDD for proxmox and 3x 2tb for ZFS NAS, currently on openmediavault with sata passthrough. I have added a second NIC to access two networks because i did not wanted to go VLAN, and recently a 5th HDD, it's a 10tb drive for cctv and computer backups. I am waiting for mini pcie SATA card to attach it, currently it is on USB adapter, without the 10TB i measured it to be also 55W with 4 HDD drives. I am planing to replace it as soon as i will purchase a solar power installation with my HP z620 workstation with Intel Xeon 12 thread CPU and 16gb of ram.
    The cpu is 10 times weaker than yours but it was fine even for plex transcoding from 1080p. And i also run Proxmox ;).
    For network i went Mikrotik, with HEX S as a main router (because of it's 450mbit/s ipsec performance) and two RB951 series for WiFi and i am waiting for hAP ac2 for my main wifi since those two are meant to serve all the smart things in my house.

  • @spaceiswater6539
    @spaceiswater6539 Pƙed 4 lety

    What a fantastic video thank you so much I so want to make a Virtualization Server now.

  • @jeffherdzina6716
    @jeffherdzina6716 Pƙed 4 lety

    This was great! I learned something new, with networking.

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I forgot low power AMD EPYC SoCs existed!
    Also, I can't remember when in the video you mentioned that ZFS isn't for everyone or something along those lines, but that reminds me of why I used BTRFS. It's hard for me to believe that I initially decided on hardware RAID when building my first custom NAS, but used BTRFS RAID instead, and when the secondary SATA controller on its mainboard died, I was still able to recover my data on another mainboard thanks to myself choosing to go with software RAID instead of doing it in hardware. That does mean I replaced the mainboard in my NAS, but because the rest of the previous mainboard still works, I was able to repurpose it in a different case with different components as a secondary always-on PC, that just like my NAS, runs regular Debian, but unlike the NAS, has a limited set of components in order to free up more system resources since that second system would just run one specific service, whereas the NAS runs multiple services and even a full Trinity session over a VNC connection.

  • @brettryan3298
    @brettryan3298 Pƙed 4 lety

    I would love to build this, lots of uses for this machine.

  • @peterbratu
    @peterbratu Pƙed 3 lety +2

    you can always sacrifice compute power to save energy. it all depends on your use case. in this case, you can even do with a Rpi4 cluster.

  • @trekkie1701c
    @trekkie1701c Pƙed 4 lety

    Heh, I did pretty similar to this build myself. This was pre-Epyc so I'm using a Supermicro A2SDi-8C+-HLN4F instead but it's a pretty low power setup. CPU is 25W TDP, whole thing with four hard drives and two Raspberry Pis attached via USB only eats around 60W of power. I've been very happy with it, and I might've gone with the Epyc board (perhaps with a lower core count at a lower cost if available) had that been available at the time.

  • @ManishSahay
    @ManishSahay Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great intro.
    And, great content, too, as always.

  • @JoePlomo
    @JoePlomo Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Whoever may need this build guide; the part they need is exactly what happened @ 16:03 off-camera. The people that know how to do that part don’t need the rest of this video, so I’m not entirely sure who this video is for

  • @Shadepariah
    @Shadepariah Pƙed 4 lety +57

    I would add a few case fans with that board so the CPU doesn't overheat. Those fanless boards are designed for 1U cases with push pwm airflow

    • @_TbT_
      @_TbT_ Pƙed 4 lety

      Shadepariah The M11SDV-8C+-LN4F does have a CPU fan.

    • @EsotericArctos
      @EsotericArctos Pƙed 4 lety +3

      @@_TbT_ There is a model that does, but the one in the build in this video is no fan and he specifically says that in the video.
      With that said, I am sure the one case fan will work pretty well in this case.

    • @stevearkwright
      @stevearkwright Pƙed 4 lety

      Agreed - That chassis had room for one more fan at the front and it would be wise to add another couple elsewhere (even fixed together).
      Once those virtual machines start getting busy in real-world situations, processor temperatures rise exponentially, getting really hot - then you need multiple fans to ramp-up and push/pull all that heat out.
      It didn’t seem likely that was ever going to happen in that guys’ set up, though.

  • @ajschmidt4392
    @ajschmidt4392 Pƙed 4 lety

    awesome video! very insightful. thanks for sharing.

  • @cls9474
    @cls9474 Pƙed 3 lety

    I've just built something similar some months ago: 5 x 512GB M.2 SATA SSD (PCIe-Board), 4 x 4TB WD Red, Supermicro
    X11SCL-IF with IPMI, Core i3 9100F (4 Cores), 2 x 16GB ECC and be quiet! Pure Power 11 400W PSU within a Fractal Node 304 case. My system idles at *22 Watts* and is pretty quiet. Services running as LXCs on Proxmox: haproxy, mqtt, influxdb, node red, grafana, nextcloud and gitea.
    The systems will get two additional backup drives attached to a M.2 PCIe 2 x SATA controller soon (waiting for the M.2 controller board to arrive). The backup drives are only powered up when a backup is due to keep the power consumption low. The power consumption is even so low, that it doesn't draw power at all when the CPU throttles down thanks to the caps within the power supply. This seems to confuse my CyberPower UPS :) (I have the suspicion that their PowerPanel software has a division by zero bug). Currently I could bridge power outages of about 4+ hours.
    I built this system because my previous HP ML330 G6 Xeon with 5 spinning drives drew 105 Watts (not that bad actually for such an old and huge system) and was awfully loud. It's great that it's finally possible to build such real low power systems - even with nice headroom (the above i3 has some punch when needed - not as much as your system though). The long UPS times are a nice side effect to the lower energy consumption. The nice thing about the motherboard is its built in IPMI/BMC as yours seems to have as well.

  • @Damuskinous
    @Damuskinous Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Epic, Thank you for the vid!

    • @logan_kes
      @logan_kes Pƙed 4 lety

      Damuskinous might you say “epyc” ;)

  • @ridingforpresident-jelzins5808

    Did nearly the same setup like you with AMD Ryzen 2000 CPUs, not much power consumption and samsung NVMe's. You should always buy the pro versions when there is a lot read/write activities on it. It is so powerful that you are able to run multiple Windows Servers (+ Domaincontrollers) without any issues. Great for smart comercials.

    • @psycl0ptic
      @psycl0ptic Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

      AMEN on samsung pro SSD.

  • @gaultiercharton3436
    @gaultiercharton3436 Pƙed 4 lety

    If im not wrong, the reason you don't have any output when joining the cluster is because the http certificate is changed on the server who join the cluster (it is replaced by existing certificate of cluster). Anyway good video, i order this motherboard today

  • @shemuprogramming3826
    @shemuprogramming3826 Pƙed rokem

    Thank you so so much for this video! I wacth always your video

  • @stephanweinberger
    @stephanweinberger Pƙed 4 lety +11

    @9:15 the IO-shield is not so much about airflow (notice that in your case you have a large vent right above it) but for EMI shielding.
    Also, if power consumption is of concern I'd rather use a PSU with Gold or Platinum rating. Especially under partial load those are much more efficient. Alternatively: dont oversize the PSU that much. If the system is only going to draw ~50W you're better off with a PSU in the 150-200W range, as it will run closer to its most efficient operating point (usually around 50-60% load).
    @30:45 the updates you get without key are those from the base Debian system

    • @Illuminali4all
      @Illuminali4all Pƙed 2 lety

      Ratings on PSU's, I'd honestly argue, make a negligible difference.

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Illuminali4all Well, it does make a difference if - under partial load - the PSU has 50% (which many cheapo PSUs have below 30% load) or 80% efficiency. E.g. the server uses 100W - PSU1 (50%) will draw 200W from the wall, whereas PSU2 (80%) will only draw 120W.

  • @MrJohnJackson
    @MrJohnJackson Pƙed 3 lety

    great video man!

  • @xandercode
    @xandercode Pƙed 3 lety

    Love the channel :) FANTASTIC

  • @trippybird3682
    @trippybird3682 Pƙed 3 lety

    Watched a few of your vids today, i like your style. Id puff this joint with ya for sure. And respect on the retroarch boxes...i have one in each room as well =)

  • @mseghetto
    @mseghetto Pƙed 4 lety

    Thanks Man. Very good vĂ­deo. Already subscribed. Proxmox runs like a charm. I dont know some many people uses other things like xcp-ng or unraid. This was my First video of yours, and i dont know If you already make some about, but i like to view something ok CT for proxmox, like domain-controller, or file server....

  • @dariopetrusic4215
    @dariopetrusic4215 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    Please note that usually when a server part (CPU, HBA, NIC...) comes with a passive heatsink it doesn't mean that this is enough but requires some amount of airflow to be properly cooled.
    I strongly suggest you to check the CPU temperature because if in idle it should be fine, I can almost guarantee that under load at 55W and without any airflow it's thermally throttling like crazy!

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety +3

      Noted. I will keep looking at it and take your advice if I notice any issues with that. Do you think the heatsink is easy to remove and replace, or is it proprietary? If it's necessary, I'll investigate this.

  • @thorstenfricke3257
    @thorstenfricke3257 Pƙed rokem

    a wonderful video!! thank you so much! what is your opinion about unraid?

  • @justinhowarth960
    @justinhowarth960 Pƙed 4 lety

    love the vid man

  • @jannejohansson3383
    @jannejohansson3383 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Now I know where my internet comes, from LearnlinuxTvs "internet ports". Awesome mainframe.. Todays small componet's are great but of course I like "real" servers, big ones! More noise and SAS is like scsi; making confusing situations when some things error oculus Colosseum kevyttoppapuku kurva happens..

  • @jeytis72
    @jeytis72 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Very good. Any chance to see a Proxmox video tutorial series? Thanks

  • @williamp6800
    @williamp6800 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Nice server.
    You can do this on a budget if you go with used server parts from ebay. Or to do it cheaper and really low power, do it on a Raspberry Pi 4. The model with 4GB of RAM can host six or more containers. Under $100 and 5 watts. The Self-hosted podcast is a great source of info.
    And Rapberry Pi are the only way to build a cluster without going broke.

    • @CaptRR
      @CaptRR Pƙed 4 lety

      Yeah thats kind of what I am thinking of doing. Though I do find it annoying that most of the servers I see on ebay seem to use 2.5 inch hard dives, which does drive up the cost of storage a bit.

    • @williamp6800
      @williamp6800 Pƙed 4 lety

      CaptRR rather looking for a complete server, consider looking for suitable MB, RAM, and CPU. Then put it in whatever case works for you. If you don’t need rack mount, and you want space for a lot of 3.5” drives, a Fractal Design 804 (8) or Define R6 (11) or R7 (14) are options. With the Define R6 and the R7 you will have to buy more drive sleds as I think they both only come with six sleds. And with all of them there’s room for three more 2.5” drives.

    • @williamp6800
      @williamp6800 Pƙed 4 lety

      CaptRR look for SuperMicro X10 series motherboards. One generation back from current. Use DDR3 ECC RAM which can be had off eBay for about $100 for 32GB. Most models have 6 SATA ports but the X10SL7-f (mATX) has a built in 8 port LSI controller for a total of 14 SATA ports.

  • @-bru-NO
    @-bru-NO Pƙed 3 lety +3

    that haircut fits you perfect jay! great video by the way, excellent as always

  • @bertnijhof5413
    @bertnijhof5413 Pƙed 3 lety

    I use and used ZFS on cheaper Silicon Power SSDs; one 128 GB SATA-3 and one 512 GB nvme. I never had any issues and in both cases I booted Ubuntu on ZFS from the SSDs. The SATA SSD was running in a 2008 HP dc5850 (Phenom II X4) through a $8 SATA-3 PCIe card on PCIe 2.0. The nvme SSD (3200/2300 MB/s) was running on a Ryzen 3 2200G on a $60 B450 motherboard. I'm using and boot from ZFS since 2018!
    I even use ZFS on my backup server with 2 IDE HDDs and 2 SATA-1 laptop HDDs all in raid-0 to maximize space and used for ~1 hour/week :). The backup server boots from the raid-0 (IDE 250 + 320GB; SATA 2 x 320GB); is in use since June 2019 and it is a 2003 Pentium 4 HT with FreeBSD 12.2.
    ZFS is rock solid and runs even on my potatoes!

  • @Kannulff
    @Kannulff Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Hello Jay, thank you for this content.
    Could you please share your approach for backup Proxmox server settings and how restore them in case of storage failure. Thank you.

  • @MrNoBSgiven
    @MrNoBSgiven Pƙed 3 lety +55

    Can we expect a follow up on how this server has been doing since installation?

  • @laj7405
    @laj7405 Pƙed 3 lety

    Thank you!

  • @ApostolosPolymenakos
    @ApostolosPolymenakos Pƙed 3 lety

    Thanks for a very useful video. I can't seem to find the link you mentioned at the end of the video about the new hard drive, there's nothing about hard drive in the notes or in the parts list that you shared.

  • @constantinamundsen2487
    @constantinamundsen2487 Pƙed 4 lety

    i have a passively cooled virtualisation host, at max it was able to run a minecraft server with 4-8 players and 276 Mods, now its just running a webserver and mailserver. Im Saving up for an epyc build, in the next 2-3 Months i hope my little HDD and SSD dont fail XD

  • @BekoIQ
    @BekoIQ Pƙed 4 lety

    I like your videos thanks for every moment , please make videos about freeNas

  • @4eversr
    @4eversr Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I have a vmWare ESXi 6.7 virtualization server running since 2015 now which only consumpts 17W with 4 vms running simultaneously (2x win10, 2x ubuntu). (CPU i5-4590T, 8GB RAM, 2128 GB SSD Storage, 90W PicoPSU, Asrock Z87E-ITX Mainboard in an Kolink Satellite Mini-ITX case)

  • @adruna
    @adruna Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Nice! Can you do a video like this one for a Low power PXE Server?

  • @180doman
    @180doman Pƙed 4 lety +1

    For arround 200-300$ you can buy Fujitsu PRIMERGY TX120 S3P. Small Form Factor, Xeon cpu (like ex. E3-1265L), ECC Ram, 4x2,5'disks bay, 2xGbps nic, remote access. I think its even better deal than HP Microservers.

  • @michalkalkus
    @michalkalkus Pƙed 3 lety

    Awesomeness! :)

  • @mariotubelecce
    @mariotubelecce Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Hi man, nice!
    You blurred out the mac address of your nics from IPMI but not from proxmox :)
    Notice also that now netword does not need reboot if you use linux bridges, just install package ifupdown2 and the GUI of proxmox will apply all the changes without reboot(finally!!!)

  • @bagiinfo5453
    @bagiinfo5453 Pƙed 3 lety

    thank very much

  • @jaywillis4063
    @jaywillis4063 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Jay, if you were building this VM server today, what components would you use? Any feedback would be great!! I appreciate the videos!

  • @sulaimanaldarmaki4773
    @sulaimanaldarmaki4773 Pƙed 3 lety

    Thanks for the video.. can you recommend another mini itx case with front disk bay for installing ssd disks?

  • @Nightykk
    @Nightykk Pƙed 4 lety

    Got an AsRock A300, with a Ryzen 2200G APU, 16GB 3200MHz RAM, 512GB m.2, was just a couple hundred euros. With a couple of VMs running it's currently clocking in at 14-16W on the wall. Me wanting to get something "slightly more powerful" than a Pi3B+, and still keep the power low, definitely succeeded I'd say.
    Sure, with this Epyc you got 8c/16t, quite a lot more than my 4c/4t, and you got more expandability as well, seeing as the A300 only has 2x m.2 & 2xSATA (for 2.5" devices). :p
    - However, there's m.2 to 4x SATA adapters out there, so if I ever need to then I'll look into getting such one, and then figure out something about powering them.

  • @SuperDodgeBallz
    @SuperDodgeBallz Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Wow...Awesome stuff but good lord...that price...... Anyways, didn't know they had a mini-ITX with 4 RAM slots... 4 GigEthernet ports... I am seriously thinking about this for virtualization as RAM was always my biggest limitation. The case pretty fuggggly... Will probably use a more aesthetically pleasing case.. Thank you for the great info/find!!!!

  • @jankkhvej
    @jankkhvej Pƙed 3 lety +2

    @1:22 55W here is the TDP, which stands for Thermal Design Power (or Point). You can't use this as a power consumption/usage value. It's a completely different characteristic.

    • @Mr.Leeroy
      @Mr.Leeroy Pƙed 3 lety

      At first I though it was not measured too, but actually it is there 36:35

  • @jeremyhand4700
    @jeremyhand4700 Pƙed 3 lety

    I've been waiting for the next gen asrock integrated motherobards with increased pci lanes for about 2 years now. could buy a super micro equivalent today, at x4 the budget

  • @12inches4you
    @12inches4you Pƙed 4 lety

    No joke that's so fucking near to something i thing about making. Nice to see, because im kinda new to linux.

  • @stanmoore9171
    @stanmoore9171 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Enjoyed low energy virtualization and low energy storage server videos. Is there a reason not to do both in the same hardware? If not, maybe a video on a combined machine? Case and MB suggestions in particular.

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety

      No reason in particular, it all depends on what you want your homelab to look like. Your storage server can be a VM if you want. But then, you also have your storage on the same physical device as your VMs. In my case, my backups are on a separate storage server which is important to me. But everyone designs theirs differently.

  • @ramhee2789
    @ramhee2789 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Cool video! But I think that the price performance ratio isn't good with the M11SDV-8C-LN4F

  • @parnashish1910
    @parnashish1910 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Great build. Why not use a Noctua fan and a bigger case? You can increase your power consumption and number of threads as well by a tiny bit without affecting noise or electricity bills significantly.

    • @foxale08
      @foxale08 Pƙed rokem

      I did an almost identical build but actually went with a smaller case. Size was the major factor for me.

  • @jrtech3165
    @jrtech3165 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Thank you very much for your video, Would you recommend Proxmox over XCP-ng for simplicity?

  • @sanjeewasamaranayake
    @sanjeewasamaranayake Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great video. I am not sure if your power usage info is correct. 50W is very low and only a machine like Lenovo Tiny will come close to it. My Tint M93P with 16GB and 256GB SSD with no CD and one NIC uses about 40W. Core i5 4570T is rated 35W. How much power your Dell was using? Are your measurement power usage monitored from power plug. I have all my devices connected via Sonoff P2 plus with Tasomta -> Home assistant. I am planning to migrated to a Dell Optiplex 7040 Core I5-6500 rated 65w so based on what you are saying that low end SFF will use more power than users (In that I have Nvme drive). I do have HP ProLiant DL380 G7 Server 2x Xeon L5630 2.40GHz 24GB RAM 4x 72GB SA and has two power supply of 360W but I have not tested power usage. Could you kindly measure your actual power usage for the server as I cannot belive with cooling fans etc yours can be 50W

  • @tctn
    @tctn Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Thank you for such a good explanation on setting up a proxmox environment.
    I am trying to create a nextcloud instance for private cloud at home. Also want to be able to deploy VMs as I need them for testing out other Linux based systems and expand my knowledge on Linux as well. I set up a minipc with n4000 cpu, 4gb ddr4 ram and 1tb nvme ssd. I installed Proxmox on this machine using entire 1TB hard drive. I don't have any other storage device on this machine. But I realized that I cannot add any directory for ISO's and for other stuff. Because not having ISO directory, I cannot setup any VM too. I did some research on internet and came to a conclusion that I cannot add directory and new VMs, because of using my entire hard drive for Proxmox Debian installation. Am I right?
    I am going to try partitioning the hard drive per say 20gb for Proxmox Debian while conducting a fresh Proxmox installation.
    Am I on a right path, or totally going towards a wrong direction? Is there any way partitioning my hard drive without having fresh Proxmox installation.
    I am a total newbie, so please excuse my ignorance 🙂

  • @henderstech
    @henderstech Pƙed 2 lety

    I wish i had one of these

  • @FlorianDALFITTO
    @FlorianDALFITTO Pƙed 4 lety +1

    The EPYC Embedded 3251 has a controller ethernet 4*10 GbE integradted but on the supermicro motherboard they have just put 4*1 GbE by adding an i350 ethernet controllers

  • @ramikilany9279
    @ramikilany9279 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Perfect Video! If you could please have a tutorial about the Proxmox replication between two servers and if one is down how to automatically switch the VMs to the other one.

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety

      Noted! When I get caught up I might consider that.

  • @augurseer
    @augurseer Pƙed 4 lety

    I am very very very interested in the mobo / soc used in your freenas and proxmox builds

  • @MarkCarline
    @MarkCarline Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I wonder - How are you CPU temperatures? I just got the same board and seeing (what i think) is too high temperature of around 80c, I just ordered a "Noctua NF-A6x25 PWM, Premium Quiet Fan, 4-Pin (60mm, Brown)" and going to see if that will help. I tried a 4cm same fan and that reduced the temperature to around 32c

  • @fmj_556
    @fmj_556 Pƙed 3 lety

    I"m in the process of using old dell poweredge servers for my home lab. They're pretty cheap but suck up a lot of juice.

  •  Pƙed 4 lety +1

    since this case doesn't have proper front to back airflow, cardboard air duct between front fan and motherboard should drop temperatures without adding more fans

  • @bkarmay
    @bkarmay Pƙed 2 lety

    Great content as usual! Would you still recommend this exact setup/Motherboard a year later? I'm close to committing to the same motherboard but thought I'd check if other more optimal products have become available. Is there a dual processor in this format? Thanks!

    • @Banner1986
      @Banner1986 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      I'd wait for the newer intel atom 5000 lineup. This things close to a grand, and I think either they're going to have to lower the price for them, or the newer atoms may end up being a better buy depending on where the msrp lands.

  • @ztech-consulting
    @ztech-consulting Pƙed 4 lety +4

    I run proxmox also and this video is great. However, i looked up the price of this board and wowza. It's not a cheap one! My proxmox runs a Ryzen 2400G and for my purposes it works exceedingly well!
    Furthermore, will the cpu run cool being passively cooled? Especially under load?

    • @akurenda1985
      @akurenda1985 Pƙed 4 lety

      Running an average of 50 watts, I doubt it'll break a sweat.

  • @wellyemail
    @wellyemail Pƙed 3 lety

    Hi, I saw you added 1x fan only, us there any issue with CPU temperature? Does the air flow from the fan is enough to cooling down the cpu?

  • @neccros007
    @neccros007 Pƙed 4 lety

    I started to build a small extremely tight budget VM box using a ITX board and a 45W Xeon in a Supermicro mini tower. Its not a server grade board but it does have dual NICs that can be teamed and 4 3.5 drive bays if I want to do a VM NAS. It also has 2 spots for SSDs and space for another with an adapter. I have a 9207-4i4e HBA in IT mode controlling the back plane while the internal SATA ports handle the SSDs. I cannot afford a SOC based Intel or AMD server board so this will do. I am limited to 4 core/8 threads and 16 gigs of ram. What are some examples of VMs and number of VMs you think I can get away with running on this setup with Proxmox?

  • @jonathanchevallier7046
    @jonathanchevallier7046 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Nice build, thank you for sharing your experience ! I had a look, sometimes ago, on this kind of tiny motherboard, but it is too expensive for my own use.
    Anyway it's very convenient to drive server with ipmi ;-)

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety +2

      Yes, it is expensive. BUT, another CZcamsr commented about using a laptop as a homelab server, and that's a GREAT way to start. Especially if you have one lying around.

    • @marcusone1
      @marcusone1 Pƙed 4 lety +4

      @@LearnLinuxTV I would humbly suggest, that if you want people to "Learn Linux", you do a video on building a budget system from spare parts/re-using some parts people may have. i.e. many have old cases, etc that can take a new Motherboard/CPU/RAM and be 1000% better for less than the cost of a used pc online.

  • @wesstrater4094
    @wesstrater4094 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I am looking to install Proxmox for the first time and rather confused about drives/storage. So far I think I need 3 types of storage. 1) The boot drive which could be a USB but thinking M.2 SSD. Not too sure how big though. 2) ISO and template storage. I have heard that can’t be local. Not sure why I can’t put ISO images on my M.2 boot drive. 3) VM hard drive. I am thinking a pair of NAS hard drives with ZFS/RAID 1. Any thoughts or suggestions? I am looking to run Docker, Kubernetes and other developer tools for learning.

  • @grahambo-42
    @grahambo-42 Pƙed 3 lety

    Jay, I could use some advice. I just setup a 1u implementation of this server and am stuck. Shortly after selecting the install option on the proxmox splashscreen I am getting watchdog notices for all 16 cores and the install goes no further. I have tried installing other operating systems (ubuntu, debian, older versions of proxmox) all with the same stalling problem. Any ideas?

  • @testthisfordecficiencies
    @testthisfordecficiencies Pƙed 4 lety

    You need an actively cooled cpu. These types of heatsinks are for cases that have a high throughput put of air from front to back. I believe this motherboard is designed for small 1U Supermicro cases.

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety

      I'll keep that in mind, and monitor it. So far, no issues. This video was filmed quite some time ago (before the Pandemic) and due to current events it took me a long time to get it uploaded. Since the video was filmed a while ago, I've spent quite a bit of time with it and have had no issues whatsoever. Super stable. My monitoring system hasn't detected any problems and it's just been great.

    • @testthisfordecficiencies
      @testthisfordecficiencies Pƙed 4 lety

      @@LearnLinuxTV Thays good to hear. I assume the low TDP makes it so it doesnt get too hot. I have the same case and after some time found that its air flow was not great. Luckily no issues though. Happy building!

  • @dillanteagle3726
    @dillanteagle3726 Pƙed 2 lety

    You mentioned you finalized on a 1TB SanDisk Extreme Pro (NVME) but in yout install setup your using the samsung SSD Drive? So which are you using and installed proxmox with? Reason I ask, proxmox is failing to install at the the first stage of clean up root disks 0% complete. When using the NVME SSD drive as the target hard disk in the proxmox install.
    Basically, the install fails and the machine reboots.

  • @aliasname2257
    @aliasname2257 Pƙed rokem +2

    I know this video is old but I was wondering what equipment you might recommend instead now in retrospect.

  • @Jr-hv1ct
    @Jr-hv1ct Pƙed 4 lety

    HI Jay, Have a question looking to setup a home lab but will be a single host for virtualization and storage sharing i am not sure how to go about setting things up. My initial so far have installed Proxmox on nvme drive have an ssd for cache and log , another ssd for vm and container disks and 4 x4b in a zfs pool for storage. I have created a few vm but not sure how set and share the storage among vms, should i set up a file server to use the zfs poll storage and share the storage that way or is they a better way , thanks

  • @jankkhvej
    @jankkhvej Pƙed 3 lety +1

    @8:38 Although it's a passive heatsink, the system should have adequate airflow going through the heatsink. Chassis fans are required for that type of heatsink. You just can't run it hoping that passive airflow will be adequate.

  • @rickybayu
    @rickybayu Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Awesome, can u make a video how to use proxmox to set up 5 server inside? thanks

  • @succubiuseisspin3707
    @succubiuseisspin3707 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Hi. I built myself a proxmox home server with a AsrockRack X470D4U and a AMD Ryzen 5 1600 6x 3.20GHz (Passmark Score: 12512) with 32 GB of ECC memory and two Micron enterprise SSDs. It uses a 92W passive cooled PicoPSU and an external power converter built for LEDs. It runs at 25W when the OS is idling and about 40W under load. 😎😎😊

  • @adrianstephens56
    @adrianstephens56 Pƙed rokem

    Curious, I've been using Samsung SSDs (including 850) as my ZFS root & boot device (probably for years) without any errors reported. Both my current Proxmox servers are similarly (e.g. ZFS root on Samsung 860 pro 2 TB SSD) set up.

  • @sanjeewasamaranayake
    @sanjeewasamaranayake Pƙed 4 lety

    Need one more clarification. In my Tiny M93P I have two LVMs and I have 3 USB devices (Wyze sense devices, Combee2 Zibgee stick and Bluetooth Dongle connected with USB passedthough to my LVM that is running home assistant (Debian -> Docker-> Home assistant). My Proxmox in Lenovo Tiny is version 5.2.1 or similar. When I have my Optiplex 7040 set up I will have the latest proxmox 6.1 as I will be doing that install new. Do do I need to upgrade my existing proxmox to 6.1 to join the cluster and to migrate LVMs? Also do I manually need to do all USB passthrough to USB sticks I have or will those get configed automatiicaly as part of migration process? Thanks in advance for your help

  • @JSomerled
    @JSomerled Pƙed 3 lety

    I hope to see this server put to work and monitored to see where it’s limits might be..

  • @biskero
    @biskero Pƙed 4 lety

    I am planning to use Proxmox to run an hackintosh which is currently the main OS on my machine. Also want to add freeNAS. So the machine would run Proxmox and freeNAS to have a HAckintosh running Catalina. What I am trying to figure out is the Raid strategy on freeNAS. From what I understood is good to have a setup with Mirror 2 or more Raid, but the details of the Raid are still confusing. I do not care about performance much but more for data integrity of the backups/storage on the Raid so which configuration would be a good start? thx

  • @Hellenios
    @Hellenios Pƙed 4 lety +3

    For common home use is enough to use old laptop with i5 or i7 and 16GB or even better with 32GB of ram. It will be much more cheaper and is a good start. You really do not need to spend 1K$ to start. Just make sure that the processor is normal M, H or HQ version. The ultra low power U versions are not very good for this task. Proxmox is definitely what you want to go for. Its easy to use free and stable. PS I am using i5-3230M with 8GB RAM and 500GB HDD and it is working 24/4 for a year with no downtime with 3 VMs and several containers and have still overhead for more...

    • @LearnLinuxTV
      @LearnLinuxTV  Pƙed 4 lety +1

      VERY good point! Funny you'd mention this, I recommended using a laptop to a friend of mine recently, whom was concerned about power usage as his house has sporadic and unstable power. That's another use-case for a laptop as your VM server as well.

  • @Pabula
    @Pabula Pƙed 3 lety

    Really amazing video, thanks for sharing it, I'm practically using it as a guide for an extremely similar build. Same motherboard and same memory atm, wondering about a couple of things maybe you can help me,
    1) I'm running the same memory as you, from your video i see you running 2 sticks, i can boot with 2 sticks at 2666, but i have to lower it 2400 if i boot with 4, not sure if this happen to you or you running auto? Auto with 2 sticks runs at 2400, with 4 runs 2133.
    2) What NVME did you end up buying? i checked the supermicro web and only has the Toshiba KXG6.

  • @horusofoz
    @horusofoz Pƙed 2 lety

    Could you please provide a recommendation for a similar build with capability for Plex transcoding?

  • @tubefulable
    @tubefulable Pƙed 4 lety

    Did you experience any "unkown PCI Header 127" bug when using GPU Passthrough? My Epyc 3251 from Asrock Rack didn't release a BIOS update to fix that bug. Does the SuperMicro board work with GPU/PCIe Passthrough?