The Ends of the First Age and Beleriand - Timeline of Arda #9
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- The end of the First Age and Beleriand came after a time of great war, strife, and alliance to end the evils of Morgoth Bauglir. In Tolkien’s Silmarillion, the end of the First Age is detailed, as we explore in this video! Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the end of the First Age and Beleriand in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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"The world has changed. I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, I smell it in the air. Much that once was is now lost."
I always get sad when the end of the first age comes about :(
It was the most fantastical time in the history of Arda.
But then I figure it had to happen for the rest of the events to come to pass.
Also makes me wonder how the world will change yet again in the final battle....🤔
May your road go ever on Sir Ian, our dear Bilbo ❤
we will soon know.....
@@antichristobama9127
Yes!
I once saw on the internet that someone said THE story we think of as high fantasy (LotR) is actually set in a time when the fantasy was so much higher. In LotR they’re always walking through ruins of the kings of old, and age is a constant reminder. The Silmarillion and the events of the first age are the legends that the characters in LotR talk about
I had a dream once that I was a immortal god being with super strength like superman, super speed and flight, could heal anything and anyone with a touch make things come alive with a touch , turn anything or anyone to any creature I wanted and could shoot solar beams out of my hands etc and brought enlightenment and prosperity to middle earth after sauron died, I tamed Shelob by beating her up and the people of Gondor had a huge supply of spider silk to make elaborate fine clothes, dresses, shirts, pants , hats and rope and tapestries and it's spider silk it made their clothes bullet proof basically being safer if attacked and made gondor more wealthy and went to moria to help clear out the orcs for the dwarves to recolonize it and Killed the watcher lake monster at moria and brought it to gondor and people had a big feast eating lots of sushi that night and boy did they feast and for some reason they teriyaki, orange and Wassabi sauces but I couldn't eat it 🤢, so i asked them to just cook me a whole beef cow filling a table full of beef etc with a pile of melted cheese, ale and pipe weed and we celebrated , Me and Gandalf had a blowing smoke contest with our smoke pipes, and just watching the people live simply, happy and blessed lives made me feel happy and content and I'll come around once every few months or so with mighty catches I get from strong monsters and creatures giving to them to feast on, make fine furs and clothes, jewelry etc, or find a big stash of gold, jewels or metals that I find or mine and so forth and so forth just living as middle earth protector and sustainer lol 😎😙
I believe that J. R. R. Tolkien was irrefutably a genius when it came to writing fantasy stories. Creating timelines, magic and sorcery, Gods and Demons, Men, Elves, Dwarves and Orcs, languages, Poems and Songs, writing events that all weave together and making it work so perfectly.
As an aspiring author myself I can only hope that I can achieve a fraction of Tolkien's writing talent.
Same dear sir, you said it all!
You forgot to mention his names. That is one of my favourite things about the world of lotr, no other fantasy has this amount of unique, amazing sounding and just generally fitting names. Its very much like old mythology like ancient greek or something which I believe is exactly what he wanted to create, for english history
The First Age was always the most fascinating to me. Going backwards from The Hobbit the further you go the more wonderful the world seems to be portrayed in the writings. You've done an amazing job with these videos and capturing that sense of awe.
With every passing age, the world decreases in beauty
It's the way Tolkien viewed the world - that as the years went on, the beauty of the world was lost
@@theradioactiveplayer3461 Yes, and that is so sad. Yet, we see that, as he understood things, he didn't really want to write about what happened after Aragorn died. Yes, Eldarion was most likely a great king, but people who live too long in peace and plenty, soon become so immoral, lazy, selfish, and evil. It is how all of the Great Empires of ALL civilizations end. Then, comes tyranny and "Sauron-ism", and the people end up having to fight against such hard times, just for the chance to be free (again)...like The Scouring of the Shire.
@@justmecarter1717 very apropos for our america today!!😔✌🤞🙏🇺🇲
Supposed to symbolize the Bible days
Celegorm: What about kinslaying?
Dior: You've already had it.
Celegorm: We've had one, yes. What about second kinslaying?
Curufin: I don't think he knows about second kinslaying, brother.
Oof
Yes.
Well done
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First i've read the Silmarillion i was supprised that the Blue mountains were the most eastern part of the map,
because from the Third age map, there's only strip of land and ocean worth of water west from the Blue mountains.
When i've finaly realised it wasn't a mistake.(Tolkien is above and beyond that after so many edits)
The sheer level of destruction was truly breathtaking.
I was so confused the first time reading the Silmarillion where Beleriand was lmao
Spoiler Alert
if you weren't confused reading the Silmarillion on the first read through, then you're either an alien or Tolkien himself... the whole book made me pull out a notebook just to note the NAMES of the Characters. But reading it on my 4th, the story became so much more clearer and enchances books like Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien. Need to get on the Fall of Gondolin too... I fucking love Tolkien.
@@aimannorzahariwod Exactly! After reading the Silmarillion the first time, I sat down and memorized the genealogy tables until I could recite them in my sleep, then read it again. That helped a lot!!
So glad that I bought the paperback book so that I could keep referring to the appendices!So many characters with so many names.
@@juliewilliams7949 And so many sound or look the same! Drove me crazy, the first (million) times I read it, lol.
Vingolaut’s first mate: Sir, how can we possibly face that dragon?
Eärendil: *RAMMING SPEED!*
The fall of Gondolin is a fascinating read and it must be made into a movie or TV series one day.
agreed
Well.... It would have been cool....
It's a shame that Tolkien never got to write about the Dagor Dagorath. I would have liked to have seen how Tolkien would have ended his world.
The final battle. I don't think any other fantasy story would be able to create something more epic than that.
Not sure if he actually intended to follow up on that. He often changed his mind on a lot of things, therefore some stuff are in the earlier drafts that would be gone or altered in the later ones.
@@sammathnaur-themouthofsaur654 I know it’s not technically fantasy but the final battle of Warhammer 40k is gonna be up there too. The sheer scale of it is what does it for me
Wonderful video thanks Yoystan. The first age has always fascinated me. Such an epic eventful age filled with tragedy and wonder. Despite the fact in only lasted 590 years it still had a huge impact on the ages to come.
Given the sheer destruction of the War of Wrath, I can’t believe that the Valar weren’t personally there. The sheer power needed to wipe Beleriand off the map doesn’t seem like it could be reached by anything but the Valar.
Could be Eru instead, like with Numenor.
Beautiful. Listening to this, I feel like I have drifted into that beautiful, fantasy land of Arda.
You'd make the perfect background narrator if ever there will be an Arda tv series or even a Movie. Good luck!
Agreed, if only his pronunciation of names was better :D
Morgoth is what drew me to learning about the lore and reading the books. I'm still new on the journey but I'm really enjoying it. The 1st age definitely has my attention and the sinking of Beleriand is something I keep wanting to know more about. Great job as always!
"he had the whole world after him." That reminds me of that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean where Jack is running away and all the cannibals were chasing him and I can't stop laughing.
I really like how at the end of all of these you address what can be learned from the story. And I think that's super awesome :)
It’s interesting to read about the Dagor Dagorath and Túrin being present. It makes me wonder wether Túrin was going to be resurrected somehow or wether the end of his tale was going to be different. His grave does indeed survive, even with the Ruin of Beleriand, so maybe Tolkien planned some kind of resurrection plot for him.
Anyway, nice video, my dude. Looking forward to the next one!
He probably just comes back into the world at that time and receives a new body, maybe in the way souls of men first entering into the world; it's not like men vanish into nothing when they die in Arda. Their bodies are just a temporary vessel for their soul, which leaves the world when the body dies and go home; but what kind of home Illuvatar made for the men, we don't know.
You should theorize, "What if Sauron Reclaimed the One Ring".
Everyone who refused to submit to Sauron would meet their death slowly but surely.
Surely wanwe and the Valor step in again and fuck him up
@@lazytitan6848 The Valar or possibly even Ilúvatar would have most likely intervened...again. They would never let any dark lord actually take over the world. They would come in and shut it down real quick, if there were truly no other option. 😂
What if pippin gotten the one ring
Pippin: give me all your salted pork and longbottom leaf NOW lol
I'm really enjoying these Timeline of Arda segments! I can't wait for the next. Its a great way for me to show my wife the extended lore (my favorite) behind our favorite series. Reading the Silmarillion and keeping track of the names isn't an easy thing to do, or in my instance remember! Great work, and keep it up!
Its called the first age because its the best age.
Because it's first-class!!
I’ve tried The Silmarillion audiobook fellas and it was a hard.. well I can’t say read, listen I guess. Can’t read anything really anymore till I see an eye doctor which is unfortunate but it’s ok I like the audiobooks. Especially the theatrical version of the Hobbit. But anyway I found it ( The Silmarillion ) hard to follow as much as I tried and wanted to listen to this great story I’ve so very much about.
First the worst
Second the best
Third with the golden ring
Michael de’ Medici have you read any of the other books? I find all of them really equally hard to read. Maybe the other more popular books are easier cause I’ve seen the movies so many times and I know the story and characters by heart.
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Give me first age or give me death.
Hello Yoysten! I have a couple of interesting ''What If'' scenarios that I would love for you to play through
1. What If Saruman made his own ring of power?
2. What if Morgoth came alongside Ancalagon the black and their combined might won the War of Wrath?
3. What if the Istari came during the early second age and played a part in the War of the Last Alliance?
4. What if Utumno was rebuilt and was Morgoth's fortress once again in the 1st age instead of Angband?
and what if Gothmog had survived the fall of Gondolin?
I would love to see these stories brought to life as well as how you think they would each play out. Stay safe out there.
1: The book implies that Saruman did make a ring of "power", but it was just a crappy replica with no noticeable effect.
2: Morgoth struggled to kill just one elf. He would have been no help at all.
3: That's a good one. Maybe Gandalf and Saruman could have persuaded Isildur to destroy the Ring?
4: Or what if Gothmog had survived to the Second Age? Would he serve Sauron or be a competitor?
The big thing about Morgoth that made him so awful is he only fought his own battle one time and he only did it to avoid humiliation. He put his evil into other things and never fought again. Sauron at the end of the 2nd age could smash Morgoth all day
I started reading the tolkien works after my whole infancy watching the LOTR trilogy. After reading also the LOTR trilogy and diving on the dense material from The Silmarillion, i felt that the war of the ring and the struggles of Middle-Earth against Sauron were diminished in my eyes after reading about the War of the Valars against Melkor, the creation of the Silmarils, the fall of the Noldor and the final war against Morgoth and the destruction of the Thangorodrim. The First and Second Age are the ages of the great deeds. The Third and Fourth age ar the age of change, the fall of old powers and the stabilishment of the rule of the mortals. Hope the dwarves survived the Fourth age, because the epilogues tells that the Fourth age was the end of the other speaking races and the start of the dominion of men
You do a great job at breaking down, interpreting and going over middle earth lore. Thank you for all you do man!
The mound where Turin and Morwen are buried actually survived the War of Wrath and drowning of Beleriand fortunately.
the first age is the tragedy of the sons of Feanor
It's not a story the Valar would tell you
@@LeHobbitFan Is it possible to learn this tragedy?
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Not from a Teleri
There is no life in the void! ......ONLY DEATH........👹☠️🌚🕳️
Some Edain in the early Sevent age (Begining in 1945-1946)
Challenge accepted.
I’m glad he got his crown beat into his head. Morgoth had it coming to him. Talk about a miserable existence to know you’ll always have metal in your head. That’s a real metal head right there. 🤣
Fullmetal Valar-chemist.
not only that he was also beheaded by the Valar before they banished his spirit/soul through the Door of Night
I LOVE how u find a lesson in every part of the tale which I admire
Thank u for ur video's
You’ve done a great work on summarizing these!
18:10 well said and something we need to keep in mind
Amazing video as always buddy. Can't wait for Numenor!
Sauron's loyalty to Morgoth reminds me of Soundwave's loyalty to Megatron
True lol now where's the cube in middle earth lol
@@tylersoto7465 You mean the Allspark? I think a good comparison would be the Flame Imperishable since both give life
LOL I can definitely see your point on that one!! But Sound wave I think was more loyal and I don't see him wanting to rule but I'm the movie he tried! I am 46 and love transformers and still have almost all of them from the original line in mint condition still!
Bro for real
Didn't Sauron flee the war of wrath?
I don't usually ever comment on YT videos or leave comments online in general, but you make such high-quality, academic grade content that I enjoyed for hours and hours, so I felt inspired to live a little thank you comment and articulate a viewers appreciation... thank you
An age that will never end is one that is held by your deep, strong voice and strong, unfathomable arms. Such a beautiful man will never fade, never disappear and such joy does that give me. Eternal pleasure
Thank you so much for yet another amazing video, Yoystan. I feel very grateful and fortunate to be part of such a great community on here. Also, Happy Father's day to all the dad's out there.
Great video Yoystan! I can't wait for the next one!
I would love to see the 1st age adaptation for TV. So many interesting stories and characters. I know it would be a very difficult task to adapt, but people thought the same about the Lord of The Rings and look what happened. 🙏
You do such fine job with these videos. Adore your work!
There are so many stories to tell within the silmarillion that can be adapted for the big screen. I would personally love to see a movie based on the story of Beren and luthien as well as the children of hurin and the fall of gondolin ,, plus the destruction of Doriath by feanors sons
Thanks for another great timeline video 👍😁
Keep doing what you do, man. I first read The Silmarillion around 40 years ago, and your videos bring me back to that time of wonder.
I absolutely *love* the Silmarillion......almost as much as The Lord of the Rings.
reading Silmarillion made lord of the rings 10 times better retrospectively
@@CG-or1re can't disagree with that sentiment. Lord of the Rings made even more.sense when I re-read it post Silmarillion.
I love the lord of the rings but in my opinion the silmarillion can't be beat. So many amazing stories within it. Beren and Luthien is my favorite of all time! ☺
@@codymcteer9573 you do not lie!!!
Are all these informations from that book?
Probably your finest work till date. Thanks
Thanks for this tale. Can't wait for the next one !
Great video yoysten!
Most excellent explained video!😃
Mae govannen Yoystan. Thank you for making this video and finally completing the history of the Quenta Silmarillion, it was great as usual. I loved reading the Silmarillion along with the history of Númenor and hope to reread it again, once I've finished reading The Return of the King.
So ends the First Age. Certainly enjoy your presentations. Thank you for sharing.👍👍👍
The Silmarillion contains so much thank you for making this portion clear! :-))
Another great video Yoysten! I’m still wondering how it’s possible that Thorondor, Eärendil were able to beat Ancalagon and the dragons.
Love your videos man keep it up
this video helped me. my dog has died at ten a'clock in the morning. he's now in valinor. thank you
Bravo, so helpful! :D
The Sinking of Beleriand is the part of the Silmarillion I have most difficulty understanding, in terms of how it actually happened, geographically speaking.
Middle Earth seems to have the same laws of physics and the same nature of geography as our own Earth. Gravity, tides, erosion, volcanism, earthquakes, glaciers, seasons etc all seem to work the same way in Middle Earth as on Earth.
So how did Beleriand sink, geographically?
Why aren’t all the mountain ranges (particularly the eastern ones) still above sea level, when the hill of Himling is?
There’s only 2 ways entire lands sink in the real world. One is through rising sea levels. The other is through plate tectonics, where two plates of the Earth’s crust move together and the edge of one slides underneath the edge of another.
Plate tectonics looks like the most plausible geographical explanation for the sinking of Beleriand, because the entire western half of Beleriand would be pushed (or pulled) downwards towards the Earth’s core.
However, I can’t understand how the northern and southern ends of the Ered Luin mountain range in particular could end up underwater without being completely destroyed, and what power in Middle Earth could completely destroy entire sections of a mountain range? It would take concentrated multiple nuclear weapon blasts to do that in our world, and surely even the Valar don’t have that much destructive power.
Grand, as always.
I'm loving the videos man. Is there any chance we could get a Region Spotlight on the Kingdom of Dale, Laketown, and the Northmen in the future? They've always been my favorite.
the last message in this video is even more relevant during these times. we all must unite against the dark and must not wither from the paths of the good!!
Great video!
Yoisten? (Spelling),
Your video compilations are ingenious works of art!
Thanks for your hard work.
I would love to see a video on the sons of Elrond.
Love this!💜
Its such a shame that no one has made a tv show or movie about the first age... It has waaayyy much more interesting material than the 2nd or 3rd age
Because for a long time Christopher Tolkien held the copyrights for the Silmarillion, The children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien and the Fall of Gondolin and the lost tales. Only The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings were able to be filmed because J.R.R. Tolkien gave permission for those two books only to be filmed. Christopher always felt that his father's works should not have been made into movies. So he was never going to allow these early stories from the first two ages to made into films or TV series shows. Now with his passing that might change.
@Aung Un'Rama Yes that's right the second age. There was a map of Middle Earth including Numenor that was shown on screen shot. Wasn't the series supposed to be on Amazon Prime? Anyways unfortunately because of the virus everything is on hold.
@@Alexs.2599 And we all know how it would turn out to be nowadays. Some leftist political crap.
its truly amazing how elwing and earendil .... basically left behind their children to the mercy of feanors sons.... and seeing them desolate the haven of sirion, it must be heartbreaking, and only or the love of maglor that elrond and elros were not only saved but also taken care off.... unlike the fates of the children of dior and nimloth :-( doomed even with maedhros change of heart
It took me forever to realize that Beleriand disappeared and that's why the map of the Third Age looked so much different. I've always wondered what happened to Beleriand and why it sank beneath the seas. Nobody ever seems to fully address why is sank. Then I get to the end of your video and you say "Nobody really knows exactly how it happened or why". Lol! Soo... I guess that's why I could never find any information. Oh well. The changing landscapes and geography are what interests me the most, and also what Tolkien seems to write the least about. Unless I'm missing a lot of good info, somewhere. :)
excellent video.
Very appropriate closing for what we as a people are going through now. Well spoke brother.
Great Video.
I'm still trying to figure out how the sky ship was able to defeat ancalagon the black despite the fact that when you do size comparison it's like a flea compared to a full grown person
Maybe Ancalagon had a soft spot like Smaug and Earendil rammed it with the prow of his ship.
I have always thought that the ship didn't kill him, but a weapon of Earandil. If so that weapon is equal to Ringil
bob bob he also had the king of the eagles
Earendil had the eagles and a Silmaril that burns any evil creature with him; I'd like to imagine that Varda enhanced that feature of the Silmaril with another hallowing so it could hurt and impair Ancalagon even from a distance, and maybe some of the other Valar helped out as well.
The flea was carrying the bubonic plague. ;)
Hey man, I just thought I’d say that I absolutely love all the time and effort you put into these videos. I don’t have a lot of time to read through the simerileon or other books preceding the lord of the rings books. These are just what I was looking for.
Thanks mate.
This part of the story always brings a tear to my eye.
Thank you for another great video 🤗💨💫💖💞💥
The Elves: the lands of Beleriand were taken by evil what should we do?
The Valar: Rinse and Repeat
Hundred of Years later
The Men: the lands of Numenor were taken by evil what should we do?
The Valar: Rinse and Repeat
The first age is best age
Change my mind....oh wait you cant
Extremely beautiful pictures. I don't know where they come from, but I haven't seen them before.
I often wonder if the volcano MIthros lept into would become the Lonely Mountain and the Dwarves if Erebor would unearth his Silmaril and rechristen it the Arkenstone
I love your videos 😁
Great video. Maybe an idea for a future video: What if Sauron was redeemed, and could he. I still think he would be amazing if he survived the end of the ring and be brought to Valinor for judgement like Eonwë said.
great video sub
Good vid.
I have just had a busy Four hours of study, writing a lot *5 Pages Worth* of study notes...
Fortunately, I am on my last week of study, before the Holidays!!! YAY, YAY & YAY!!!
Thanks for the Ending of the First Age Until some Potatoes... *Seeing Thumbnail for Next Video* Marion Baggins Out!!!
After all that studying , watching a Men of the West video is a great way to relax the brain. I hope you found the sunken map of the lands as interesting as I did. Enjoy ur time off, Mellon.
@@gobigblue6782 I did, Thanks Mellons!!!
nice video
I love the Silmarillion but it does draw out simple stories that could be told in half the time. I hope that Amazon gets the shows pacing right. Awesome videos by the way just started watching a couple weeks ago.
Hmm I look forward to the rest of the series
Why does the end of Beleriand sound so similair to Dogerland??🤔
same reason numenor is so much like atalantis ;)
That shit mins dogerland
Awsome video mate love your content tolkin would be proud of your work👍 one day you should do a video on the black speech were it originated and it's user's, thanks again👍
Thanks for sharing this. I just finished the Fall of Gondolin, and I think the choice Ulmo gave to Turgon is more interesting than you describe it here. Turgon was given two options: He was either to go forth and fight Morgoth (resulting in the extinction of the race of orcs, although with terrible losses to his people) or to flee into the West, and give up his life's work. Gondolin fell because Turgon refused both the call to moral action in service to the outside world, and to abandonen his beloved Gondolin. Interesting choice, I think.
“Are a seed that does not die” makes me think of one of H. P. Lovecraft’ should lines from the accursed Necronomicon, “for that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons, even death may die”
I love your content more than anything. And I love Tolkien’s work with middle earth. But I have to ask, how long can these videos last without redundancy or running out of content? I can’t imagine how there is much left worth looking into without spending ample time splitting hairs over insignificant details
Second, good video as always!!
Ah, see, I told them reading the Silmarilion again during quarantine was worth it! 😀
A very extremely great video as always Men of the West.
Eonwe: I'll have to talk to my boss about that. Sauron: Bruh!
Where can I find the map of Beleriand and Eriador that shows the area that sank at the end of the FA? I haven’t previously seen this version (at least not in color).
I look forward to the 2nd age, as that is the least spoken about age of the 3. I look forward to hearing more specifics of the Numenoreans and the War of The Elves and Sauron
Also do you have any updates in the tv show I know stuff has taken a turn with everything going I just didn’t know how far along they are also do you think they will ever make tv shows or movies taking place during the 1st age and before
To.add some context. When I first started to.read The Silmarillion, I really struggled. In fact, I barely got.further than the Ainulindale chapter.....as its narrative style was so different. Then I read it again a few years later, & I really GOT IT that time, & couldn't put it down. It made.me happy & sad all.at the same time.
This is when things get Ultra High Fantasy. I mean, just look at 11:30 ! Looks more like a Warhammer picture than like LoTR! Regardless, it is sad that we will probably never get this fantastic period expanded. So much happens here, but it is all condensed into like 30 pages(28? ; regardless, TOO SHORT). I'd love to learn more about this period.
I think it’s interesting how both Morgoth and Sauron were defeated by their arrogance, specifically defeated by the “that’ll never happen” mentality. Along this came an act of full selflessness. Morgoth didn’t expect a man, at the willing cost of possibly losing his life, would sail to the Valar for a plea of aid, let alone that they’d accept. Sauron never conceived the idea that someone, or a group of people, would humble themselves to the extent of sacrificing the temptation of great power (the ring’s temptation) and have it destroyed. Both enemies thought “that’ll never happen” and both deeds required an act of pure selflessness.
Greater and more terrible than Sauron, I'd say Morgoth's greatest legacy was his first act - the marring of Arda. No?
Well,marring of Arda made it his own kind of Ring, which meant that fate of it was tied to him, and his demise will be demise of Arda too.Sauron's ring is pathetic copy of it.
That and corrupting sauron
“And they mourned not more for the death of the trees than the marring of Fëanor, of the works of Melkor one of the most evil.”
If I may, what do you think was the final fate of Maglor? I don't think Tolkien ever established one for him, and it doesn't specifically say in any of the literature that he flung himself into the sea. I actually read a rather poignant fanfiction in which Elrond, before it is time to depart, searches Maglor out on the farthest seashore, addresses him as "ada" and asks him to return to Valinor. Maglor is still too ashamed to do so, but holds out the possibility that one day he might. I'd like to think that eventually he overcame his shame, and finally went to the Havens, humbly asking if he might accompany Cirdan on the last ship west. Forgiven, he dwelt afterward at Minas Nirnaeth, near the gardens of Lorien.
I am unsure whether it has been covered but could you do a video on what happens when Elves fade or do not leave Middle-Earth?
Thanks