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The Black Númenóreans of Middle-earth
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- The Black Númenóreans are Men of Westernesse who fell into service and thralldom of Sauron, going from King’s Men to what they became later: evil and twisted. In Tolkien’s Middle-earth, they serve the Dark Lord for power, juxtaposing the Men of the West who seek freedom and liberation. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the Black Númenóreans in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Your videos are never early, nor late: they arrive precisely when they mean to.
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Petar : your love of the halflings weed has addled your wits. It's .... mean to.
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Niiiice!!!! I am mad I didn't think of that first! Lol
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Such an overlooked faction, and a tragic one.
Lotr lore and books will never die because of awsome stories like this and channels like yours.
The last time I was this early to a video the Two Lamps were still lighting Arda.
I'm saying it right now: Agandaur would've fit perfectly in Middle Earth canon. Maybe reduce the magic usage or say that he was taught by the Witch King as an excuse for him to use his powers. I like lotr War in the North because it gave a black numenoreans the villain spotline.
So true personally if fits into the canon lore very well mentioning important facts from the books themselves as well as characters I know most tolkieniens might not see it as canon but in my heart the events of that great game are canon in Tolkien’s works!
@@jesuscoyt-munoz2753 For me, it's not canon, but there's no harm in "pretending" it's canon either. It fits well into the background of the story and doesn't contradict any core history or lore concepts, unlike Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War. I enjoy them as games, and there's some interesting ideas explored, but so much flies in the face of and subverts either established lore facts or the spirit of what various characters like Shelob are designed to represent.
I agree with your point of view. Personally I’ll still see it as canon but if others don’t agree with me I’ll accept their opinions no harm as long as people aren’t rude or try to change my views
@@jesuscoyt-munoz2753 If anything can be "canon" doesn't that negate the whole point of having a concept like "canon"?
@@meduseldtales3383 What's the point of canon in an age where stories are rewritten constantly? You don't need to accept canon if you don't like it.
"Its not just orcs; but men as well.
Legions of Haradrim from the south; mercenaries from the coast...all will answer Mordors call"
My goodness these guys have fascinated me for awhile.
Just goes to show u how bad things can go if u continue down a dark path long enough. The Mouth of Sauron being the best example....he still one of my fav bad guys tho!!! Haha
Jajaja ya sé, así es yo estoy igual, fascinado con los Numenorianos obscuros.
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Great video as usual.
I think that it is likely that Black Númenoreans not only fought at the Dagorlad and Siege of Barad Dûr during the War of the Last Alliance, but also (together with the Nine) would likely have been commanders of the other "wicked men" present such as the Easterlings of Rhûn.
The Black Númenoreans were corrupted by and loyal to Sauron whereas the Easterlings fell to darkness under the sway of Morgoth and were loyal to him. Given that the Easterlings joined Morgoth under a cloud of betrayal in the First Age, they had proven themselves untrustworthy. I suspect that Sauron would have had much more faith in the loyalty and power of his Black Númenoreans than to allow the Easterlings to be led by their own commanders.
The Easterlings from the first age are not the same ones from the third age!
And it is speculated that Khamul the Nazgul was a king of the Easterlings which is why they follow him and Sauron.
Thank you to Connor Ross for correcting an error of mine! Eldacar is the grandon, not son, of Rómendacil II. Rómendacil II's son Valacar married a woman of Rhovanion, and thus produced Eldacar, who, being of mixed blood (Middle-men and Westernesse), reclaimed the throne of Gondor from Castamir the Usurper. Sorry about that mix up, my mistake! Hopefully, I will not have to amend any other mistakes in this video, but if I do, I will add it to this comment. Thanks!
easily done considering the depth
I love the loyal followers of the king were the black Numenoreans and the faithful were the rebel faction. Great video yoysten!
Ahh, no matter what happens, humans know how to screw up blessings like no other.
Elves are no better, just gifted better, Dol Amroth were pure Numenoreans and faithful to the Valar even in the time of the war of the ring, so Numenoreans were not extinct just very diminutive in numbers compared to their cousins in both Arnor and the rest of Gondor.
@hasan veysel erol 😂😂😂
LOL
@@rihanix9646 I think the mire accurate statement would be “the Noldor are no better”
Idk about the lore, but I know these guys were cool looking in the ROTWK expansion.
Ever thought of doing a video of the Plague of Gondor? (Might kinda fit in with all the disease going around now, eh? Sorry to bring that up... still could be cool to know more about the Gondor and Arnor plague.)
Sounds good to me!
I think that sounds good maybe yoystans video can make us feel more hopeful. And personally that plague died out just like this will too we just have to keep hope alive!!
Joseph Bartsch fair enough. (I do want to know more about the plague though. Seems like it’s not talked about much. Then again, well, maybe I don’t read as much Tolkien as I should, and if I did, maybe I would know...)
Joseph Bartsch I’ve got a lot of Tolkien’s books, even though I’ve never read them, maybe it’s gone into greater detail in one of them. (Update: I’ve just looked into their tables of contents, doesn’t show up there either.)
Just like the book the current situation is fictional
Beautifully Narrated, Mellon! I wasn't aware of some of the information on the Black Númenóreans. Thanks for filling the gap!
This video shows one of people's character: we seem to want what we cannot possess.
Loved the video. Keep it up!
"We are the King's men"
-Black Numenorean warrior ROTWK.
WHOOOO ITS SHOWTIME WHOOOOO
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Looks like Meaty videos are back on the menu.
Every since I showed this channel to my sister she has binged all your videos and loves to quiz me. Lord of the rings has such a amazing universe I’m glad a could learn more about it though this channel シ
It’s a perfect example how something beautiful can be twisted and used for evil, it’s not ironic because the gift of men to die was exactly that, a gift. Eru illuvatar favoured humans above elves out of both his children, and because of that he gave them a very special gift, he gave them the ability to die so that they could join him in the unknown, it was never meant to be a punishment but a reward, it wasn’t until Morgoth started twisting and lying in their minds that they started to believe it was an end and a punishment.
@علي ياسر I know TolkienWas very religious, and very well read. It’s like that mostly in all religions as well, but he managed to put it in such a way that was truly magical.
Nice video
The Black Numenoreans have always fascinated me, along with the Haradrim.
Great aspect of Tolkien's lore. Just further proof that being of a higher bloodline doesn't make you any morally better than middle men, dwarves, or even orcs.
They are technically better than Dwarves cause they are the weakest race in middle earth.
Gagana Perera ? If you mean dwarves are the weakest race I have to ask in what manner you mean?
@@adarkwind4712 I think he means in terms of what achievements they have accomplished
lol.. fiction isnt proof. and reality indicates that DNA = IQ , and IQ dictates culture, society, morals, etc. even this is obvious in his fiction though... orcs have low intelligence therefore low culture, no morals, etc.
nice virtue signal though.
@him self If you think morality comes from dna, or that iq and morality are synonymous, then youre not actually that moral, or intelligent. Your knuckles are dragging the ground, mate. If a comment like this is "virtue signalling", then what you said is "asshole signalling."
Just a big smile when I seen this video😁
I can see what you mean he dose great work
Yaaah
Mitchell worthington he does 💪🏻😃
Been waiting on this topic. Well done. Thank you!
Been waiting for this video so much!!!! 👏👏
This is my favorite Middle Earth channel.
It's nice to know its always here when i need it.
I feel like Gandalf, when he gets a chance to visit the Shire.
Supppsedly, the words of Sauron were so twisted and evil that even just repeating them caused the guy's gums to rot and bleed. That's why he looks so gross.
You don’t say. And they say deep immersion in the dark side of the force can alter your appearance....
The black speech of Mordor is a gateway to many things some consider to be unnatural...
Great video Yoystan, seen the first few seconds and looks like an interesting video!
Last time I was this early, Gollum was still Smeagol.
Way to show your age!
@@MeredithLikely hah, I'm only..... What age is this?...
@@TheWoodsmanMilling Gandalf moment.
Was it his birthday?
@@MARTalks I think it was the day before. I can't remember, though. It's been a while.
Here in time for the like party! I've been waiting for this video!!! Excited to watch it mate.
This is one of my favorite videos on your channel now. such a greatly researched video!
And The Valar did a very shity job of explaining to the numenoreans why they couldn't have the freedom to choose their own destiny and the immortality of the elves.
I guess it was not in Eru Ilúvatar’s plans that the Valar explained anything at all... otherwise Manwë would have followed his thoughts, wouldn’t he?
@@MrDarkmario99 honestly. The Valar in the category of useless Gods most of the time they don't get involved and when they do get involved they end up creating a bigger problem like sinking half the continent because apparently that was necessary to stop morgoth
The valar seemed fairly incompetent in my opinion, as they couldn't properly control their power and sunk beleriand. they were so scared of intervention that they let sauron roam free in the second age, which directly led to numenor's corruption.
@@NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS why didn't they forcibly make Sauron to come back West with them after the war of wrath
Hasan Wilson yeah, you are right. I am not defending the Valar XD. At the end, they are just extensions of Eru Ilúvatar’s will, who is just in a different plane from Middle Earth...
the humans under sauron have always fascinated me the most.
Perhaps that is where GRRM got his inspiration for Rains of Castamere, after all he is a huge fan!
Great video as usual Yoystan! Such a fascinating and overlooked part of the Legendarium.
Great video! I really enjoy watching the videos you put out, but this was perhaps the best one yet. It is well researched, well written, and had a great driving thesis.
I especially liked how you explained the Black Numenoreans as a foil to the descendant of Numenor, both connected by the "gift of men" but whose lives were governed differently by it. I think we see a glimpse of that thought in TT in the chapter "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit" right when Sam saw his "first view of battle of Men against Men...." There he ponders, if only for a moment, the nature of what drives men to battle, whether it's lies and threats or defense of one's home. I think this video does a great job of exploring some of those "lies and threats" and the greater history behind them.
Looking forward to the next video! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for these videos, I love all of these and it’s wonderful to watch them as I go on adventures in middle earth, the knowledge you’ve given us helps us feel wise to the history of lotr
Risky play my dear yoystan, but oh so beautiful, oh so wise. I weep with joy
Its great that you can take lore and after every video take a life lesson out of it. Keep up the great work!
I read the video title and thought it was being literal.
I'm glad it is how it was though - 'black' describing dark paths taken instead of just, "Hey, these ones aren't white!"
The race of Men in LOTR has always fascinated me more than the other races.
"race of men" is a euphemism, as mankind is a species not a race. there ARE dark skinned races of humans in middle earth
@@himself3011 That's how it is in real life, but Numenoreans have lifespans measured in the centuries. That biological difference alone should maybe put them in a sub-species category.
Suilad Mellon Yoyston! Your videos are always a welcome sight in these dark and trying times.
The men who had so much blessings yet used it all for curses...awesome video!!!
Great work love the video I learn so much from your videos even after I read the books, anyways we shall stand men of the west
indeed, the men of the west shall stand
I've been waiting a long time for this video!
Great video as always enjoyed watching it love all of Tolkien’s works great job!
Oh, how nice! I know i will enjoy this one too. Thank you!
Learn something new from every video. Thank you.
Absolutely fascinating topic Yoystan 💥💥💥 and supported with such incredible visuals. I was struck by 6:18. That belong in a museum 🖼 👌
That was great man, thankyou
I was so hyped when this poll went up
Berúthiel, the crazy cat lady. Never thought we would trace "crazy cat lady" meme back to Tolkien.
There's some great art accompanying this video
Yo yo yo yoystan! I would love a video about the lesser known creatures of middle earth! Watcher in the water, fell beasts, greats beasts of grond, were worms, ogres, tons of options! Anyway, when I see a black Númenorean vid, a grin the size of the mouth of Sauron comes across my face! Great video as always!
This is great, thank you for a new video!!! I rarely comment but the númenóreans* are just great
Amazing video!!
Loved it!
The storyline was great, loved the visuals, beautiful artistry.
The costumes are wonderful Amazon should have hired whoever designed them.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!
It’s interesting to think that those who set up Gondor and Arnor were only a sliver of the power that the Numernoreans has at their peak
Great video!
Thank you for going over this faction. Now I need to go back to watch your video on the Numenoreons.
It’s tragic to think that the distant cousins of Arnor and Gondor fell into such darkness
Just goes to show how susceptible we Humans are to influence and that we must always keep our wits about us, and help those who can't. :-)
Minis Ithil said hold my beer
Thank you! 👏🏻
Great video
I remember playing as one of these guys in the LotR mod for Mount & Blade: Warband, glad to finally know what they're all about. Good stuff!
Good video! Quite interesting
A very extremely great video as always Men of the West.
Ooo what a great video topic. Hello the early folk of this videos comment section
Even Middle-earth has a crazy cat lady!
wow
Very interesting!
Good job on the vedio
¡Siiii por fin! Muchas gracias, uno de los grandes enigmas de Tierra Media.
The "Dork Lord" podcast has a very good episode on the Witch King. I recommend it.
I love you 💚💜💙
I love your video💖
Very cool video !!♥️
When you showed the Mouth of Sauron, I shock in fear...Because oh Boy, he is creepy!!!
His Mouth, is too creepy, Use toothpaste Sauron...Please!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks Mellon, for this Video, I learn some new things about Middle Earth every week for the last 3-5 Years...Until, Another Poll *Man it keeps getting interesting these Polls* Marion Baggins Out Voting!!!
I’m with you. He was rightly called ‘ the foul mouth or Sauron ‘ , both figuratively and actually. Lol. I imagine he had the black breath too. Hahaha! Be safe, Mellon.
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Ah, the Numenoreans! Once the greatest heroes of Arda, until they became one with the very villains they fought!
One of the greatest fantasy kingdoms of all time.
Honestly, I wasnt even that into LOTR, but damn these videos are addicting.
Same here. Now everyone thinks I'm a huge nerd.
The black Numenorians are such an interesting race of men so cool great video as always! 😊👍🏻
Always wait to listen middle-earth lotes from you.
Great video yoystan I think what you said at the end about the black numenoreans is very true on how the fear of something can make people do easy and destructive things instead of the hard but rewarding path such as the deeds of Aragorn and faramir in the third age. And I have a question for everyone who would win in a fight black numenoreans vs death eaters?
Since we know or assume most of the Nazgul were once Númenóreans it is possible these immortal wraiths had living kin, albeit continually distant, throughout the time of their servitude to the Sauron and the One Ring.
Nice
Good job! I echo your wish to know more about the Black Númenóreans as well as the Blue Wizards
If you’re interested, I’d love to see a video about the possible identities of the nine Nazgûl! I’ve wondered if the witch king was a Numenorean king himself or if he was a high noble with a “Grima-Theoden” like relationship with the monarchy. Your theories would be appreciated, good work as always :))
We know of khamul, an easterling. Also we know that around 3 of the nazgul were numenoreans.
I like to imagine Sauron took a personal interest in The Witch-King of Angmar when he was a man. More than the other Nazgul.
I thought that Gandalf slew the Mouth of Sauron when he showed him Frodos Coat and Mithril Shirt at the Black Gate. But I could be rembering it wrong, been a while since I read it.
We know Aragorn beheaded The Mouth in the extended edition of ROTK. Not sure about the books though.
Thanks, this was a great video. Please could you tell me the provenance of the art at 3:58? This is just an incredible representation of Sauron, I love it. I still find it strange that you don't credit the artists in-work. Really, you owe them greater exposure considering the draw to your videos and the massive boost to presentation they provide.
I'm actually left a little confused by this explanation. Elros chose to be human and became the king of Numenor. His descendants were beguiled by Sauron and lost faith resulting in the restructuring of the world. The only remaining faithful escaped East to Middle Earth. So these faithful were not of the line of Kings of Numenor? They were some other branch of the family? Which would make Aragorn, inheritor of their legacy, NOT of the line of the Kings of Numenor?
Among all of them the chief one where the Lords of Aundile, who where directs descendents of Elros
@@alejandroyepez who were the Lord of Aundile and what was their relation to the Kings of Numenor and Aragorn?
@Melkhiordarkblade thanks. That clears it up.
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I loved the art.
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I know this has nothing to do with the video but I would love to see Sauron in a Mortal Kombat game as a guest character. The tower character ending would be something like this, Sauron at last submitted his total dominance in Mortal Kombat conquering Out World entirely. Eventually he found a way to merge Middle Earth and Out World together with his new powers he conquered both Middle Earth, Out world, Nether realm, and Earth realm after reclaiming his one ring. Sauron ruled over a eternal empire until the end of days. We could also see a Baraka Urak-hai skin and a character skin for Noob Saibot as the Witch King. What are your thoughts on this? This probably will happen eventually because same company owns both IPs and guest characters like Sauron in brutality usually become guest characters in Mortal Kombat games.😅
Oh man Sauron in MK would be nuts, that would be soooooo cool haha!
What would be his fatality?
@@edwardmcintosh7952 using his mace to crush you into the ground..
@@edwardmcintosh7952 Grabbing you and burning you with his bare hands, as he did to Gil-Galad in the books.
I always wondered who the Easterlings were descended from. Thank you Yoistan.👍👍
Black Numenoreans would be great characters to focus on during the Amazon Tv series.
I wish I heard production was going better than rumors suggest...
look at starwars, that what you are going to get ffrom amazon
Let’s get to 300k !!
And besides why would you want to be immortal like an elf Tolkien pretty much pointed out that being an elf is depressing. you can literally drop dead from grief or a broken heart the like luthien, not to mention Eru intentionally made Middle Earth to decline in magic overtime to the point where the elves were forced to move West, so your living conditions are pretty much chosen for you. And even if you stay in Middle-earth you'll eventually turn invisible because the magic that once maintained your kaporal form will have evaporated
No no no. Eru did not intentionally made Middle Earth to decline in magic overtime, that was Morgoth's doing. He succeeded in creating a divide thereby estranging Men from Elves.
But Eru allowed that, and he knew it everything that Morgoth would do.
Not all elf felt this Way, and Valinor was erected against this
The Key diference from Humans is that Elfs are Bound to Arda, Men are Not.
Hence their "inmortalitiy" as long has Arda endure there will exist in body or not
I Like this distinction, Elves can figth and died knowing they still eventualy can come back
To men their fate seems final thats why they seem more willing to figth for inmortality
The kings of Gondor pretty much screwed themselves over by marrying Middle Men the castamere Rebellion pretty much force them in a position where they were forced to intermingle with Middleman because they we're in the tumultuous territory of slaughtering the other descendants of numenor to the point where there were none left to rekindle the long life span and mystical bloodline
The lifespan wasn't strictly connected to the bloodline, Eldacar lived for 235 years, as long as at least two Gondorian kings before him. It was more about virtue, a blessing that was connected to upholding the legacy of Numenor. It's fair to assume that if the men of Gondor had stayed true to their heritage no amount of mixing with Middle Men would've diminished their lifespan.
Ah a great day indeed
Love your channel, do you need any new artwork by the way?
That really cool character
Awesome vid! Did the Army of the Dead cursed by Isildur also consist of any of these Numenoreans?
Here's a question why was valinor not removed from the Spectrum all together before the invasion why would they wait until this Invasion to do all of this?
Mankind is a rod of hot iron; forever twisting, forever shapeless, and forever searing all that chances to touch it.
wow, that anti-human virtue signal, so edgy, so stunning and brave.