Sony FX3 RAW Video - A Detailed Guide
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Everything you need to know about how to shoot ProRes RAW video on the Sony FX3. Codecs, bitrates, how to set up the camera and Atomos Ninja V or V+, editing, pros and cons. Also a deep dive into RAW vs DCI vs UHD 4K.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - ProRes RAW
2:22 - What You Need
3:06 - Bitrates
4:09 - Get Your Atomos Ninja Ready
4:42 - Setting Up The Camera
10:32 - Setting Up The Atomos Ninja
14:03 - Monitoring
15:17 - DCI 4K
17:08 - How The FX3 Records Internally
18:18 - True 24p
19:42 - Editing The Raw Footage in Final Cut Pro
24:03 - Why Not To Shoot RAW
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I am so happy that I have come across your channel. All of your FX3 content has been fantastic and it has been helping me to use this camera more and more! Thank you.
You are very welcome. Glad the videos have been helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
Josh thank you so much!
This video is such a great asset to come across. I did not skip a beat from the video and it was FULL of useful hands on information. I will make sure that you and your channel get a special mention on my credits roll because this video definitely contributed to prepping for my upcoming shoot.
You are very welcome. Glad the video was helpful for you and thanks for watching!
Nice work Josh, and so much value provided in this video! 💪👊
Thanks Jay!
Thank you so much for putting this video together, and all the research required behind it.
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Dear Josh Sattin, thank you so much for this tutorial. I had been looking for this and unfortunately there is none like this on CZcams. So, you did a great job!
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
this was the best description of raw that i have seen. looking forward to watching your other video's.
Nice work, Josh! What a monster of a video - packed with great content.
Thanks Mark!
This video was a massive help getting my FX3 hooked up to my Ninja Ultra.. Thank you!!!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Nice work buddy! Super valuable video for those FX3 shooters out there.
Thanks! I hope so!
Thank you so much! I been looking for this video for a while!
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great stuff, thank you for this Josh!
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
This is very informative and helpful
Thanks for watching!
This is a mighty video!
Thanks Brandon!
When set up to record RAW to the Atomos and internally as well, will the internal recording still have lens corrections enabled?
Great video! Are all these settings the same for doing RAW on the a7S III?
Thanks for the video. This video is packed full of very useful info thanks for that! I have the FX30 and the Ninja V. Shooting RAW is great but for me the one major drawback is the lack of noise reduction. I just haven't found a plug in that is reasonably priced that works well for NR in Final Cut and the native NR isn't great.
Get davinci resolve, you would need to convert to dng tho
@@MCplayer94 yeah the conversion to dng is pretty messy with all of the files it creates
Neat Video for fcpx is less than $80, and subsequent upgrades are even cheaper. Definitely the best out there.
@@pragmaticfilmmaking thanks for the tip I know I looked at Neat and thought it was more expensive than that. I will have another look.
Thank you!!
Great video! I’m a big fx30 raw shooter so cool to see you can actually use DCI on the FX3 but we can’t in the fx30 (i 100% understand why thou) and that goes into how Sony uses their sensors. As you said, “traditionally” DCI gives you all edge to edge of the cameras sensor side to side. Yes, bexause not all camera sensors are created equal. Most don’t use the full sensor, but Sony…..does. It’s really weird. So the crop from the top and bottom is to give you the “aspect ratio” of DCI as that’s what DCI REALLY is. It’s just an aspect ratio for cinema. That’s all. It just so happens to work on most cameras by giving you more edge to edge but Sony already gives you that. So with Sony, it’s kinda the reverse. You don’t gain more image lol you actually lose a bit on the top and bottom. I tested this by taking a photo on my fx30 in its open gate aspect ratio and, yup. Same edge to edge. All I got was more on the top and bottom. It’s Sonys way of doing things. You either love it or you hate it lmao. I’ve also heard some rumors that’s why we won’t get open gate on these cameras? Because it wouldn’t make much sense?
Open gate because of the xavc codec limitation. I think Alister Chapman has a blog post about it 😅 is the Fx30 raw that different from internal? Can barely find any videos about it on CZcams 😢
@@ludovicavice3496 First off, you cant compare RAW vs internal recording....on ANY camera. RAW...is RAW. Its different. So yes, it's different. Internal, what you get is what you get. RAW is....RAW.
@@ludovicavice3496but in terms of RAW being different, its a gigantic difference. You can do color "correction" in the RAW tab and not have to make a bunch of nodes just to correct an image. You can change exposure, white balance, everything except framerate. on the FX30, we get a 4.7k resolution (but that means its cropped because we have 6k sensors) thats why the crop happens. Phillp R Peck has a good video explaining how that works, him and I did some experiments on that. FX30 outputs over HDMI 16 bit color, but the Atomos Ninja V/V+ can only record 12 bit, so it takes the 16 bit input and compresses it to 12 bit....which is STILL a great amount more than internal 10 bit or just ProRes 422. Because its RAW, your NLE (mine being Davinci Resolve) will debayer the image and it does it linearly. So it doesnt look like a LOG image. Whats cool, is you can tell Davinci to make it ARRI LOGC or RED Log, Canon LOG, whatever log you want....because its RAW! It doesnt know the difference! And you can work with an Arri Log and color gamut from your FX30 (which btw looks GORGEOUS). I have noticed shooting in S-log over RAW, even if i color grade the images the same...they dont look the same. Something about the RAW recording just looks....more "cinematic". It looks better. RAW has an extensive work flow but only if you make it like that. It doesn't have to be like alot of people on youtube SAY it is. As a matter of fact, i found working with RAW, im using less nodes to grade and I have so much room to work because i say the input color space is actually XYZ (CIE), the entire color spectrum the human eye can see (those charts that show you how much color S gamut records, or RED gamut or Arri gamut), its the whole thing. So your input color space is....everything lmfao. You just have to understand how RAW works and work with it ALOT and eventually youll realize the work flow is actually not as bad as youtubers make it sound, and sometimes...more preferable (for me atleast). The ONLY issue youll run into with RAW is storage space. Youll go through alot of SSDs. 1TB on the FX30 win ProRes RAW is only 1 hour of recording so youll need alot for a shoot, and if a client wants a shoot to be in RAW, you have no choice but to charge more becuse of the amount of storage their project will need. Storage isnt free lol
For me the biggest reason to shoot raw is to defeat the interframe noise reduction, even for the internal recordings. If you shoot at iso 12800 internally you get ugly ghosting artifacts in dark areas of motion and you can't stabilize in post because of it, but just hooking up the ninja with prores raw output enabled defeats this noise reduction for the internal recordings even without recording on the ninja. Someone should come up with a compact hdmi dongle to be able to do this. 😁
When u record raw @800iso does the footage clean up when u change the iso to second native @12800?
Correct me if i'm wrong but premiere still doesnt' allow the change of WB of the pro res raw. Such a shame
I have a feeling that sony will later release a mirrorless camera that can do x-ocn lite now that they did it with burano. That internal raw capability is the last missing link with sony fx series.
Took me a while to find this subject but this was well worth watching. I'm a novice at videography but am doing my best to catch up, starting from the true fundamentals of exposure and white balance (Still a struggle in real life mode) and now two sleepless weeks into it, moving into correct formatting. Up to this point, (again I am a novice, but wanting to do it the best way possible), I have been learning shooting in LOG and using LUTs, but as I watch this video, I am wondering if this is the way the technology is pushing, and if so, should this be something to use as a standard? I have a feeling most people just stick with LOG shooting, but perhaps this is the way to go forward. Again thank you for the great video (Still watching but had to comment)
WOW greeat great great videos! I need to exploit my FX3!
Thanks for watching!
This was the video I was looking for, exactly! thank you so much for such a straight forward, yet very comprehensive explanation.
Please HELP!
I do however still have an issue of the kangaroo sign appearing when I start recording. Whenever I press record on the FX3, it records for about 2 seconds and then the yellow kangaroo sign appear on the right side and the recording stops. It tells me that "Recorder Stopped" Drive Performance could not keep up with the recording. Please check media in use is qualified for your selected Resolution and Frame Rate. Ensure your drive is formatted before each shoot and use secure erase where supported. If problem persists consider using a different codec.
I am using the WD Blue SA510 SATA SSD 500GB by Western Digital.
You're welcome. I'm not sure what's going on with your error. I would reach out to Atomos and make sure your exact drive is compatible or not. It might be a formatting issue. You might have to format it to a specific setting in your computer and then format it in your Atomos. If you can record in a codec with a lower bitrate (Prores LT or H.265 or something) than your drive isn't fast enough.
So the ninja v can record prores raw at12 bit 60p 4k?
00:00 "hey there hi there ho there" 😂
Great video thank you for the information. I had a side question since you have the FX three do you clean your own sensor? I was trying to figure out at what stage do you swipe the sensor so it locks?
I am really careful with changing lenses so I don't have to clean my sensors very often. The setting is under the Menu -> Suitcase -> 12 Setup Options -> Sensor Cleaning
informative video
Thanks for this video Josh, super helpful. Would you mind answering a question please? What is the highest frame rate that you can record externally on one of the ninjas in raw, 60 or 120? I do a lot of work with wildlife and I’m looking at trying to findsolution to record in a higher frame rate, like 120.
You're welcome. You have to check the tech specs for the Atomos you will be using. For example the Ninja will do 4K60 raw: www.atomos.com/explore/ninja/?tech-specs
hi bro I have a small doubt how can we calculate the quality in fx3 actually 24p 240mb 50p giving 500mb so which is the best quality can plz tell me
Knowledge Bombs right here
Just got the fx3! Would love to connect im from the uk :D
Thanks!
You're welcome. Thanks for the support!
Hi! Thanks for your hard work! Can you tell me whether Prores Raw will work after transcoding into Davinci Resolve for 12 bit?
You're welcome! I believe you can transcode ProRes Raw into Cinema DNG to use in Resolve but I haven't tried it.
Can we record BRAW using Blackmagic video assist with fx3, and if we can does it give a chance to use highlight recovery in DaVinci Resolve
Same thing with R5c also please mention the maximum fps we can record with
Could you please tell me how to make it possible to change the ISO WB parameters in fcpx? I open modify ProRes raw and nothing is allowed
19:42 in this video.
How do you record true 24 raw?!
thank you
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hey man - quick question. Does the IBIS servo make an audible hum on this? Even with IBIS off my a6700 has white noise when you listen up close. Picked up on mic too. I've never noticed this on a Canon or the Fx30.
I don't think I've heard that on the FX3. I hear the fan over anything else.
Hi Josh, Thank you for your information, It's very helpful, i have i one issue when choose 59fps the ninja go for ' no signal ', Do you think the problem from hdmi wire or ssd ? or maybe i miss somthings, and thank you again
You're welcome. I'm not sure but I would try a different HDMI cable.
thank you @@Josh_Sattin
In raw, you cannot shoot the entire height of the sensor, correct? I notice for stills, it allows for open gate, but not video. I'm curious since the extra height would have been beneficial for anamorphic.
There is no way to record open gate (full 3:2 sensor) video in the FX3.
So how much storage…
I got two Ninjas - each has a 1TB - and I have a QNAP 6 SSD setup to RAID V so, effectively, 3TB attached to my MacBook over Thunderbolt…
I’m thinking I can effectively shoot and edit a couple hours before I run outta storage.
I actually love editing in Pro res raw from (Canon R5C) It edits more smoothly than any other 4K codec and it's 8K! The only thing it's missing is 60 FPS with the ninja v+.
It's not actually 8k though surely? The fx3 doesn't have enough megapixels on the sensor to achieve 8k.
@@jambononi No I apologize I was talking about the R5C. I'm just watching this video because I like Josh and I'm interested
@@PizzlesTechTime ah cool! Yes that is awesome then. I've yet to try raw on my a7siii but have so far not been desperate to use it. But I'm sure there's a few use cases.
@@jambononi Yes I stumbled across it by accident. My camera shoots RAW 60 FPS so there wasn't much reason to try at a lower FPS but ProRes. I was trying to get find the best settings to record on the ninja V+. I was comparing The results and found ProRes raw was editable without proxies on my Ryzen first gen threadripper CPU build. That PC is quite a few years old now. I can only imagine if you're using Apple and ProRes, It probably edits like butter. Which is probably why a lot of professionals like final cut for their productions.
Speaking of raw have you had the chance to use the Nikon Z8 or Z9? I just recently got a chance to use a Z8 over the weekend and shooting raw internally and the features and just the way it worked to me was like an R5C on steroids. Highly recommend a rental as not many if any youtube guys bother with nikon for obvious reasons. I never see many people talk about how damn nice the new z8/9 is as a hybrid and well enough to handle an all photo or all video workload to the likes ive not seen any other able to do without massive downsides but it has really none to speak of beyond the screen if you vlog (or if your nervous about the "recalls" lol). Even being able to adapt Sony E glass and canon EF while maintaining auto focus and full functionality while also recording internal 8k60 or 4k120 raw if needed its like "the dream"
I haven't used the Nikon Z8 or Z9, but I would really like to try them out.
Hi Josh, you mention about using cheap SSDs for the Ninja & I have tested it and unless I’m doing something wrong, all the “cheap” SSDs I’ve used are not able to keep up when recording RAW. I find they regularly come up with the kangaroo / skippy logo. Do you not have this issue? Thanks
I have not had issues with mine. There is a link to the one that I use and a link to a list of compatible SSDs in the description.
@@Josh_Sattin thanks for the reply, let me do some further research:). Thanks again, yea I’ve got a Shogun Connect & Ninja V, so really would like to have the full functionality of both devices:).
great video! thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for waching!
Hi Josh, I am in the UK and shoot at 25FPS. I am finding that even slow movements are very jittery on my canon r7, I am using ND filters and making sure the shutter speed is double my frame rate. However, it still looks jittery when moving the camera at all. However when I look at 25 fps videos online (CZcams ext.) they look much smoother. Is there anything obvious I’m doing wrong? (When I shoot 50fps the issue is gone) Thanks!
R7 has high rolling shutter (29ms), in 4k 24p or 25p it is oversampled from 7k sensor so JELLO effect, in 50p and 60p it does line skipping so less pixels to read and less rolling shutter
I would recommend using a gimbal for smoother shots. You can sometimes get away with a few shots when filming in slow motion, but I always recommend a gimbal.
Hi Josh, I've followed your setup instructions exactly (fx30+NinjaV) but the Atomos says 'no input signal'. The 'high speed' HDMI cable I'm using works to allow me to record RAW from my A7siii, so that shouldn't be the issue, or is it? Any ideas
Unfortunately I don't have a FX30 anymore. Are you getting a signal from your FX30 when you are not set to raw? I'm guessing either the camera is set to raw and the monitor is not or vice versa.
Hey Keith unfortunately the FX30 can only record Prores Raw with the new Ninja V+ model.
Oh really, I didn't see that in the small print. Bummer, thanks for the advice. It was just curiousity anyway, I don't forsee the sorts of commercial work I do requiring raw. @@jonathanyarborough2561
the movie "THE CREATOR" was shot on Sony FX3 and movies are usually shot in Raw and 24fps. So how is that?
3:20 - When you start shooting raw you have to start buying 8TB drives at 50-100USD a pop and you have to either look to or plan to adopt LTO tape 5 to 9 currrently, its the same for RAW FM RF archival of analog tape media or DNG/DPX archival of film media its in the order of 1-5GB/min if not more on some projects.
It should be noted, as basic ADC concept info also applys, the sensor can do upto 14-bit, the data stream can only use 16-bit or 8-bit for raw data unless you want to go outside easy to impliment formats trasport connection wise, the 12-bit log is more a conformed signal then anything else you could get a true 14-bit file if someone firmware hacked it, its been very merky to people who don't understand there kit on a hardware level.
Not many people talk about how affordable field repairs are for Sony either which is sad, considering its a 5min swap for HDMI/3.5mm jacks now on the gen4 builds.
I feel so bad. I meant to hit like and I hit dislike (switched it obviously) but seeing that message about sending feedback to the creator I was just like please don’t. This video was SO informative and well put together. Thank you Josh!!
No worries! I appreciate the support. Thanks for watching!
hi, thanks for the video, is lovely :) is there a way to get 16 bit raw out of the fx-3?
Thanks. No, you can only record 12 bit ProRes Raw in the Atomos. I explain that in my other video: czcams.com/video/0ZqJ46L7-74/video.html
thanks!@@Josh_Sattin I am guessing is also not possible to shot 4k120fps in raw, right? not even with the ninja v+
@mougabo no, it's an hdmi limitation on the fx3/a7siii
thanks@@noahmonte8581
Any way to shoot it at 16bit externally other than 12 bit ?
Not that I know of.
I’m getting blown out footage when I bring it in. It’s not blown out in camera or on atmos
Can I shoot RAW using sony fx30 too?
The resolutions and crops are different but yes.
I don't get this, is full frame in a 4:3 Aspect Ratio, but the RawOuput is not? So it's not like an opengate style of raw recording? 😮
The FX3 does not shoot in open gate (4:3) in any of it's modes.
I'm sorry it Hase been late, i of course ment 3:2. There would be a slight advantage for anamorphic people. Yes but goot to know, anyhow. 😅
@@dirtykraut No worries. Yeah, there aren't any 3:2 ratios either. You can shoot in 17:9 or 16:9 in video modes on the FX3.
How can Davinci users take advantage of the Prores RAW?
There is some way to convert it to BRAW or something like that. I think you need an external app. Google it
That’s a good question. I filmed a live event earlier this year with an FX9 & Atomos Ninja V in ProRes Raw. Unfortunately I left the + crosshairs on the monitor and it was baked into the footage. But when you bring it into Davinci I believe you can use the color space transform function as usual and slightly color correct the footage. Definitely not as much grading flexibility in ProRes though.
The only format I shoot in, cant go back to 10 bit
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Sony fx3 firmware update 4.0, but 0 advantage
Such a shame the RAW features can't be used in Da Vinci Resolve, not even Studio. Having to convert each file to DNG is another step in the workflow no one needs. If anyone has a better workout, let me know. Frustrating when the likes of the C70 etc have build in RAW which can be edited successfully in DR.
Yup. The big limitation with using a codec from Apple.
@@Josh_Sattin has there ever been a discussion for Sony to go with a built in RAW without the inclusion of ATOMOS/Apple? With more and more editors/content creators using DR, it seems to be disadvantaging Sony v competitors. Firstly you have to buy external equipment on top of your camera, then are limited on what editing software you can use.
Yeah but they would just have to license the internal raw recording capabilities from RED.
@@Josh_Sattin is that Canon’s deal? Surely they could do a version like BRAW
I haven’t been able to find out what Canon’s deal is.
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