Hidden Dreams In The Depths: Review and Thoughts.
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2022
- Genshin Impact 2.7's newest Archon questline: Hidden Dreams in the Depths is quite probably the best story telling we've seen thus far. Hoyoverse absolutely knocked it out of the park. SO lets talk about it.
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another point to add about Paimon! i saw a clip on Twitter where someone opens the pause menu right after the scene where she talks about being really tired and she doesn’t pop up while the menu is paused!! she’s still sleeping next to Itto with the little cloud over her head! i’m not sure how much weight this little detail holds since it’s just the pause menu but i thought it was interesting 🤔
That actually goes to show how much attention to detail Mihoyo is paying with it's storyline continuity. So it is actually a very important detail to make note of.
That's also the case when you put her in your Serenity Pot though, she is present in the place you are in so she won't pop up on the menu. So this feature isn't new or unique to that quest
@@usalisa3656 this is incorrect. I don't have Paimon in my serenitea pot and she doesn't show up when you open the menu. You have to remember the game doesn't pause while in the serenitea pot so opening the menu doesn't pause the game. IE: Paimon will not show up because she "cannot" show up as the game is not considered "paused". Pretty sure this also happens when you are running in Co-Op as well. Because the world cannot be paused Paimon cannot show up when you open the menu. This actually gives more weight to the fact that Paimon controls or is part of the aspect of "time".
Interesting to note that when Piamon is out cold, She's not only not in the navigation/pause menu. But she is also frozen in time like the rest of the characters EXCEPT that all the status on her is still active. This means the confused/dizzy symbol over her head and her star maps that flow out of her are still active. So her power is still active as well as the Chasm's negative status elements.
Unreal Dreamer captured it here but I also noticed it while playing.
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Ther might be Yaksha in Sumera as well as most of the Yaksha's moved from West to East into Liyue per references of them.
That's so cool! Oh, now i have to be more vigilant of little easter eggs like these xD
Amazing attention to detail right?
she also took the time displacement thing worse than everyone else, 20 days vs 1-5 days
22:26
I believe paimon is afraid of death mostly because she keeps saying throut this questline and others how she doesn't want to die how she doesn't want to be separated from us or from The Traveler makes me wonder if that's what she's afraid of separation and death
23:25 Actually the reason for the compass activating was xiao and yelan touching it at the same time, which lead yanfei to conclude that a human and adeptus needed to channel their power into it
Through this whole quest, I felt like watching a very well directed movie, Witcher 2 dialogues/cutscenes or Metal Gear Solid cutscenes. Camera work, perspective shots and technical site were stronger than everything before them. That's very big jump in quality in my opinion. I also liked how during puzzle with symbols and "Abyss Vision" after entering past-bringing doors and later falling down, game plays with our senses of direction.
The entire quest is proof for me that Mihoyo isn't "lazy" and still cares about the game and delivering stuff greater each time for us. Call me a fanboy or an idiot, but I don't need an endgame when I wait for such content like that. I hope Sumeru chapter will break us, the Internet and Teyvat itself.
Totally agree, I'm invested in the story and don't care that much about end game because at the end of the day even if they were to give us something different from abyss it will become stale as well after a few months. End game should never be what you strive for in a game 🙄 I rather they focus on story and map, when story is finished they can just do different events per month from the huge selection of temporary events they are constantly adding, specially if they focus on giving badges for certain things that people can just show off later on
This quest really dug into a lot of existential horror which really has me intrigued. And seeing how so many people react to Xiao’s fakeout death really makes me wonder how people will react when an actual death happens
We have had actual deaths Signora (who while an enemy was a major character) and that soldier who you were paired with in the Rebellion Arc of Inazuma who as far as I remember died from using the power of the Delusion (I've forgotten his name unfortunately) but, it would be impossible for them to kill a player character. Genshin has been very VERY precise about keeping storyline continuity. Killing a character that is a playable character would screw up everything because we'd have a nice little paradox going on. They may get us attached to a character only to reap it for emotional damage but I can't forsee it ever being a character that we can have in our roster.
@@thejkittymews9045 The characters name was "Teppei". ^^
@@MinionEnji Thank you Enji. I appreciate it.
@@thejkittymews9045 Your welcome, JKitty! ✌️
@@thejkittymews9045 as much as I hope this is true, I don't think that reasons like these will stop Hoyoverse from killing playable characters. We have to keep in mind that the characters we use in our team are not actually involved in the story. So I don't see a reason why this could become a paradox. (In fact, you are able to use characters who aren't supposed to be around in canon. Remember the Chasm quest where we are told that Klee and Kaeya couldn't come. I still had them on my team...) Now, the only situation that could cause "problems" with dead characters would be the teapot. 😅 Having characters chill in your teapot while they're actually dead wouldn't make much sense.
Imagine if Kairos died near the Chasm or unleashed a very strong attack near it. We can definitely see how both the remnants of dead gods or the effects of their attacks can linger long after the occurrence.
19:46 this shot was showing the door wasn't there anymore.
23:18 No, it was not paimon triggering, it was Yelan's and Xiao's energy combining. You can check both instances of Yanfei activating it and the moment xiao picks it up glow purple. You guys are suspecting paimon as the reason for anything and everything and missing what is under your nose...
Really liked this format of covering the themes, positives, and criticisms/community criticisms of the archon quest with a q+a wrapup! I am excited to see more.
Yeah - I know you plan your videos a lot and I appreciate the effort, but this was incredibly refreshing
This archon quest gives me hope for sumeru
I absolutely loved this format!! Please continue doing it!!
i absolutely love this format of your videos!! would love to see more of your lore standups
I really appreciate your new approach to quest analysis! All the best to your channel, TH!!
The reason why you couldn't see the abyss twin while walking through the traveler's fear for the first time was because it didn't happen in that scene. It actually happened in the second scene when you're looking for the mini fantastic compass.
Really dig the Q&A section
I loved this archon quest. It was very well done and the story was very interesting.
I loved this new format. I really enjoyed seeing you in the video… we feel closer and more connected to the creator… a little like your live streams.
Thanks for the honest review of this quest, and i do like this quest too. it just bring the lore and emotional coaster back. The improvement of the cutscene, system where character can follow you beside being talk to us like ghost XD, hope it get more improvement and keep it up on explaining the lore 🔥
This is a cool format to digest. It interest me the most when your theory about the abyss twin is that they're influenced by the dark matter thingy.
Overall, the current archon quest is so far the best for me for the same reasons you said in this video. Looking forward for more like this too.
Really like this kind of videos!!
it was cool how the silver play button was close to the center of the video, making it look like a faded out youtube logo
Loving the new format! It was nice to hear your views on the quest. If I can make 1 suggestion? The audio in the video is quite soft, I had to boost my com's volume much higher than your other videos
For 19:25, while that specific scene does not appear directly in the game, it is most likely referencing the point where they did meet an illusion of the twin right before finding the real fantastic compass in the final domain. Kind of like how the 2.1 trailer had a cinematic shot of Yae saying “123, 321” at the beginning of it but the actual scene where it happened was just a regular in-engine conversation.
digging the new video style
Playing the quest and seeing how yrlan act what i wanted to know the most is why she doesnt like people sacrificing i wanted to know what happend to her and dumb me forgot to read her voicelines
yes new video
Yanfei’s An underrated waifu, certified fact!
This commentary type video is sorta more engaging than just a voiceover. I personally like it.
It is clear that there were two higher powers at work in there. One is the "space" distortion that had an evil intent and was set out to "devour" them. The other was the "time" protection they got by not getting hungry or tired.
My take on this is that the "time protection" was not awarded by the space they were in, it was given by Paimom (probably unconsciously). When she ran out of power, she got weak and that protection was gone.
I need deep lore that connect all these events all the way from liue honestly
I wouldn't put it past Hoyoverse to actually kill off a playable character so there was no need for me to suspend my disbelief. Narratively speaking though, it would have been a bad decision for him to die *there*
yes please! keep this format for lore heavy quests
I don’t think many people noticed this, but I noticed that Yelan and Itto caused the group to fall down the hole. Well, in the cutscene where Bocascius was remembering things, we see the geo yaksha being killed by the hydro yaksha. Itto has a geo vison and Yelan has a hydro vison. It’s these little details that makes this quest really good!
Lots of people almost crying, including me, proves that this story really is something. It’s my favorite one so far.
The quest was 10/10.
However, give me that hydro yaksha. She is super cute and I want to have her on the team
YES YES
If you like time movies. One older movie that never got enough notice is "Time After Time". The premise is H.G. Wells travels forward in time to stop Jack the Ripper who also time traveled to escape being caught in the 1970s.
19:25, in my thoughts, this maybe is in the quest when the traveler follows his sister that there is a moment she stand quite far away waiting, the motion is there but too far away to see clearly
The concept of time in the game is interesting, it would be cool if it's another element but the archon of time was captured by the heavenly principles because time demands change and it lead to the development of kanriah, maybe time and the heavenly principles are twins? This could be the ones from the gnosis story, she hated the travelers for being twins with a good relation while she and her twin (time) could not see eye to eye.
Nice
Another thing that bothered me is that the traveler didn't seem to be too bothered by the fact that Paimon didn't want to open the door.
The camera bugging out was just pointing out that the door was gone. Paimon quotes the door isn't there anymore when the camera does that. It was just poorly programmed.
If you enjoy time travel, it's not really conventional time travel but I think Ghost Quartet uses reincarnation and time loops in really interesting ways. It's certainly an incredibly fascinating story to analyze and dissect.
Awwww yeah lunch and some TH
Teyvats videos>>> everyone else’s videos
Wait. Was the battle during the cutscene not represent Xaios karmic debt as he was using so much of his power in the presence of mortals. The headache to me was the debts toll on traveller cause we don't have a vision.
I don’t think so? I thought they were the souls of the Milileth (spelling? lol) that marched into the Underground Palace with Bosacius and Boyang to lure and seal the monsters within the Chasm. Karmic debt is shown as red binds, not really ghosts, manifesting inside Xiao. As for the headache, I thought it was the moment in which we received part of Bosacius’s memory, because Xiao calls back to it later on in the quest, saying that “at least there’s one other person that remembers him”
@@flintshire8722 From a story telling aspect this could have been done better as there are so many interpretations that are all potentially valid. This was a bit of a miss when it comes to what actually happened. I don't think this was meant to be up to an individual experience as that would mean there is usually no follow up quests coming in this storyline. Would love to know what we all saw. Still a great quest hope they keep this type of story telling quality.
karmic debt is more like miasma to me. The miasma that is in Xiao's body and can be dangerous if Xiao is close to humans. Because of that, Yelan and the others drifted away slightly when Xiao brought out his power.
However, in the video cutscene, they seem more lost souls trapped and buried in the depths of the chasm.
No they're lost souls ... Xiao mentioned it before that illusions sometimes become real and attack you.
@@JohnCivor I can agree with that. Now back to why did Traveller get the headache. Lots of speculation and I don't see anything in the story to explain it.
I liked the bosacius voice but I get what you're saying!
Have you watched it in other languages and seen if any of the other dubs worked for you?
Amazing video I loved it!
Also I agree about the abyss twin having been corrupted and no longer seeing right and wrong. I think we saw it in the chasm Dainsleif quest where they said that the risk was worth taking.
2:12 Something I just thought of just now is the use of the words "Higher Power" is interesting. The last time we heard those words being used, it was to reference Istaroth. This time, when Yelan used those words, it didn't tell us who it was referencing. I assumed the higher power in that situation was Zhongli since we just saw him. I don't think Yelan had a specific person in mind when she said those words, but what if the people at Mihoyo did? When we later spoke to Zhongli, he played dumb and said if he was there it would be an act of fate and that he just wanders around or something like that. We know he can't tell us about Celestia which is why I think him being there had something to do with them if we take him saying him being there was an act of fate literally. All this to say, what if Istaroth was pulling strings again, but this time in the Chasm instead of in Inazuma? I'd understand why Zhongli played dumb if he knew someone from Celestia or related to Celestia was involved.
thats not really plausible. We know that Istaroth is most definetely not on the side of Celestia, so he most likely played dumb to show us that the truth is something he wont tell us. according to Yan Fei, the will she found was left there by someone with "high importance", so it was probably referencing him
@@The_Enemy_of_Utopia. oh ok
Who is Kairos? I thought the god of time in Genshin was called Istaroth
It's a local name given by Byakuyakoku's/Enkonoymiya's people for Istraoth
He has alot of names kairos is one of them
I think one of his names is oroboros
And the god of moments and the thousand winds
@@omarramy8454 isorath is a she lol
I have a theory relating to sucrose I’ve heard people on Reddit mention this I just want to spread awareness of the theory to see the opinions on people whether they should believe the theory or not basically what the theory is that Sucrose is related to Yea Miko Who is a Kitsune The reason why people say that sucrose is related to Yea Miko is because of their ears they try and hide their ears to act like it’s their hair I have two possibilities that’s the reason sucrose is related to Yea Miko One sucrose is a Kitsune but doesn’t know because she’s not 100 years old yet and does not have a tail yet because in Japanese mythology Kitsune grow a tail every 100 years making them more powerful since sucrose is not 100 years old she does not have a tail yet, The second possibility is that she shared a common ancestor with Yea Miko but then after you know genetics and stuff that sucrose lost most of the abilities that she would’ve had is a Kitsune so yeah that’s it I wanna hear your opinion on this
= D
Has anyone ever told you you resemble Leonard French? :)
But instead of the law, you talk about Genshin Impact theories
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What "Chairos" are you talking about exactly? If you mean the Time God, then you meant Istaroth I think?
Multiple names for the same character. Like Rex Lapis / Morax. Raiden Shogun / Baal. Etc.
Istaroth is one region's name. Kairos is another.
Is this quest permanent or an event?
Was an event
@@TheFoxtailedSamurai Dang the quest looked fun
@@wolfkitty42 it was. There's a new one though that's up for 10 days that's sort of a lead in to some Sumeru stuff though you might wanna check out
@@TheFoxtailedSamurai Ohhh cool, I’m fairly new and just got to Inazuma but my friends kept telling me to do the quest. Thanks!
I wonder if Paimon felt the most tired because time passed the fastest for her in the Chasm compared to others.
bruh if u really looking for the subtle emotion on the voicelines use jp dub its really good u can really feel the emotion behind every line
true but if you're not used to usually hearing fluent Japanese irl or in games, then it's hard to pick up the subtilties in tone during conversation. Whether or not each dub is better or worse is not the point. It's about the convenience. Since what you're reading and hearing are two different things, if not had practice, it really does take you out of the fluidity of the conversation . Especially when you're reading it the first time and are trying to decipher it as much as you can then and there.
Yelan was a little too dramatic during the quest on JP dub
I would have to disagree, this quest felt like a mess. Introducing oddities to the world that feel out of place (while interesting concepts on their own), clunky and forceful plot writing, and it feels like they cut out some parts that would bridge together the story and give more insight into what was taking place. Not too mention the puzzles were added in to pad out the story, they were not hard but tedious since they dragged out the time required to finish them with transitions and such.
The only thing I can praise this quest for are the character interacts. Too often its the Traveler with one or two characters. Having a group and having them interact without us being the mediator is something we need much more of.
A lot of people praise the end cutscene and while its beautiful that's all it is. Foreshadowing is important in storytelling but man they were so heavy handed with it that was clear that Xiao was going to try and sacrifice but they would also never allow him to actually die. I feel that his attempted sacrifice would be more if they dialed back how often they talked about sacrifice and after the first argument between Xiao and Yelan they leave the point more ambiguous.
I can see why people like it for lore or character reasons but when I look at this quest from a writing lens it leaves a lot to be desired.
Forced?... Wdym this story quest is the most fluid story line genshin ever had thats why majority of people lore or meta player/CC agree this is the best quest right now and no force was made to the story it all fit together... also the oddities you mentioned (time/space concept, giant monster, shadowy ghost, illusions) are already in the game for sometime now you just need to dig deep on some lore items and book to find them.. they're not foreign on this patch only.
I would have enjoyed the quest if it didn't have Yelan in it and if the characters would shut up for five minutes.
L take
we wouldn't really be having a story quest if we don't have characters to tell us in a conversational format then. What you're describing is artifact and book lore.
@@nia6981 I know they have to talk, but it feels like in every quest they go on and on about nothing. It gets so tedious sitting there through pages of dialogue that feels like it adds minimal value.
More like you dont care about Yelan that much when the quest IS also about Yelan and everything else that happened. Basically its your own fault that you cant give any care to Yelan. This will be more ironic if you are a Xiao simp as well