Gojo VS Makima (Jujutsu Kaisen VS Chainsaw Man) "My Response"
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2023
- As a lover of both series in this death battle. I felt the work put into this video was enormous. So did Gojo actually have the capability to defeat Makima from Chainsaw Man?
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So who should have won?
Gojo hands down. Curses and devils are basically the same.
Gojo: I never understood why this was even a debate
HA Gojo
It's always gojo
As far as I understand, makima should win. I am not convinced that gojo's massive ego acting as a shield against makima's control powers. As far as I understand, makima can control anyone who she thinks is inferior to her. Not to mention, gojo was never an enlightened being. He confused himself into thinking he was. On the other hand, gojo would take W if he casts unlimited void the moment he meets makima. Otherwise, makima easily wins.
Aint no way they put makimas dislike as buffet and gojos dislike as among us xd
I saw someone say the divided one vs the devoured one
They are actually demons for that😭
@@nobodywatchesnooby HOLY SHIT LMAO
@@nobodywatchesnooby 💀
In the wise words of the legendary Stan Lee:
"The character who wins in a fight, IS THE ONE WHO THE SCRIPT WRITER WANTS TO WIN"
This is indeed true
That is true, although I never got why people always use this quote against Death Battle, cause of course they are going to make a character win based on the research they did, maybe some people get a different outcome, but this is essentially the outcome they reach based on the research they made
Gojo vs Sukuna in a nutshell
I imagine this comes from observing his fans theorizing a lot about how fights would go out when as a writer you can write it either way and will do based on the *story* you want to tell, not fascination for fights most of the time
Stan lee doesn't know shit nor speak for every writers in existence. Yes He created most of marvel character but the story is being written by different authors now and these authors most of the Time has power scaling and in verse consistency in mind cause if they want to introduce a greater threat to a character for the progression of the Story for example they are writing for Thor they won't just use a previous character that Thor has already beaten like for example base thanos and decide who wins this time nope they know if they do that it wouldn't be consistent for both characters so what they'll do is either amped Thanos by giving him a Power boost or introduce characters that is way more powerful than the previous villan hence they are applying Powerscaling. This is an L statement for the great Stan lee and those who embrace it has no critical thinking for themselves.
Well at least Gojo got to enjoy a taste of Makima
LOL
I hear people say "Even Makima fans still think Gojo would win"
Saw that too
Cap, I wanted Makima to win, I thought that the controversy would be funny
@@doublebbastard7514same, dude... same
Yeah Makima has nothing against color purple so rip. Meanwhile Gojo has something potentially against kind control 😂 Makima’s worst matchup
As long as It isn't offscreen, then we are good
Never thought I'd see the day when Chibi talked about Death Battle
As soon as this battle was announced I knew Gojo would win
Makes sense
Gojo is still a kakashi victim.
@@Freakingbad89where are people talking about kakashi
@thrilite3981 not in this video but i guess you haven't been in the Power scaling community long enough to know where.
@@thrilite3981He mentioned Kakashi to say he was a victim no need to take it so seriously. Plus let's be honest Kakashi vs Gojo was probably good too. But Makima vs Gojo works too because it's two new series.
Toji: Hey, first time going up against Saturo Gojo?
Makima: Yeah.
Toji: Welcome to hell.
Toji made it through the pearly gates or whatever afterlife
" I will win "
" I'm the strongest "
" I'm the winner "
- 🤡
@@sreevishva3416
"When I make this brat body my own, you will be the first person I kill."
"MAHORAGAAA"
"It would be fatal if he lands a purple now".
🤡
@@mhassankhalid3774 🍓🍊🍎🍍 =======> 🥗
@@sreevishva3416 Bro is hating so hard and for what
I find it weird CSM fans said the "Bang" in the death battle is nerfed. Like, are we forgetting Chainsaw Devil didn't get TORN TO PIECES when he received the "BANG" and instead got sent to the stratosphere? This just means the damage of her "BANG" is dependent on the target's durability, one that Gojo has plus his RCT.
I mainly wish they expanded on the Spear
I mean being pushed into space is a lot more force than anything Gojo has received thus far. That said we cant really know for sure since Gojo has never been hit by anything of that degree except for Cleave, which adjusts its strength to surpass an opponent's durability. However we really dont know how strong that would make Gojo, for all we know he could be as tough as Goku MUI himself or as fragile as paper and he will still get cut.
@@ucmanhvuong4301 Gojo received millions of cleave from Malevolent Shrine and survives without getting cut in half. This alludes less on his durability but to the efficiency and regen speed from RCT.
so Gojo's durability is still vauge even using the hand-to-hand fight with Sukuna as a reference point.
@@ChibiReviews I mean if spear affects space, it'll definitely bypass infinity.
@@ucmanhvuong4301Gojo survived dismantle and cleave to outlast sukuna’s domain expansion. This slashes cut through buildings and usually cut through people entirely, Gojo just healed the cuts as fast as they were happening. So if he gets a bang, he’s gonna just heal. In the manga, the slashes were on his head, neck, and torso. So even a head shot bang won’t work since he can reinforce his body with cursed energy that he has a unlimited supply of.
Chibi video just before going to bed! Can't end the day on a better way💯
Aw thank you
The domain expansion isn’t an attack though. The point they were making is that she shares her thought processing with all the Japanese citizens as well as a separate ability. But because there are a limited number of japanese citizens they can’t process infinity, so it would overload everyone’s brains. However, as you pointed out, Gojo is a citizen, so his brain would also be used (unless he isn’t effected because he isn’t below makima)
They already kind of explained it, He isn’t effected by unlimited void because well… he just isn’t, think of it like dragging someone into a ocean where only you can swim in while others sinks, Makima on the other hand is just going to replace herself with others people in so she can get out, So in that analogy, Gojo technically won’t be effected since he’s Already effected by it in a way that it doesn’t do any to him in the first place.
@@kenw4574 My point was not that Gojo would be affected. My point was that because Gojo isn’t affected, Makima wouldn’t be affected, because he’s a japanese citizen.
In simple terms, it's because unlimited void is a domain of his own technique. So he is basically immune to it no matter what circumstances they brought in. Makima gets trapped in UV, she transfers the sure hit effect to every japanese citizen until they are all dead. Then Gojo being a japanese citizen himself won't get affected because the attack is made from his own power/cursed energy. This mechanic has been explained/showed recently in jjk chapters.
Even if Gojo was somehow inflicted with his own domain's sure-hit effect. He can use reverse curse technique to continuously heal his brain which he had always been doing ever since he was a teen.
@@paulcastillo370the issue with this is that gojo would never kill every citizen in japan. i know this is a death battle but taking character personalities into account is important too. makima would for sure sacrifice people to achieve her goal, gojo cannot kill everyone of japan unless he knows makima is a global level threat, which she isnt. he would only use a an unlimited void like he did in shibuya arc. and he can only do it once. otherwise, yea he would just win instantly. makimas immortality has a drawback for him. one that should be taken into account
@@paulcastillo370 The thing is that as long as Gojo is alive, Makima can’t be harmed by his attacks.
First time I’ve seen you discuss Death Battle. Neat.
This battle has always been contentious in the versus community simply because Makima’s abilities and limits can be extremely vague. There’s almost no point in arguing with the people who think Makima wins because their points ARE valid, it’s just all interpretive.
Sometimes Death Battle are full of nonsensical fights, Especially the fight between Frieza and Megatron, However this standpoint of a fight is actually not so bad, They may have spoiled stuff during their commentary but the fight itself is doesn't show much from Gojo but for Makima it did, But in my opinion it was still a very good fight.
It was a pretty damn good one
@@ChibiReviewsGotta give credit to DevilArtemis for that animation too.
My problem with scaling Makima or any high ranking CSM devil is that they have vague conceptual abilities that can always become stronger, seemingly however strong the story needs them to be
Cool concept
I love this so much. Very professional and respectful.
I really hope the animators are getting paid well. The work they been putting in as of late is phenomenal.
I didn't care about who would win the fight as long as they were a good explanation. But the explanation was bad they arbitrary decided because Makima never faced a certain type of attack she could die from that attack.
They lied too much to make Makima lose. Makima doesn’t have physical limitation to her contract. Makima can't die from Purple.
Then they said unlimited void isn't really an attack. If that's the case then it would affect only makima that make sense, but again unlimited Void doesn't kill curses Gojo kill them once they are inside but the void only paralyze them because of the information overload once they outside the domain curses can heal from the void. Gojo using purple would've been redirected to someone else and she would've lived.
Then they lied again by downplaying Makima finger bang, acting like it was a like normal invisible gun. Makima destroyed Power with one shot and sent Chainsaw into space but for some reason, if Gojo get shot it would be like he was hit by a revolver snub nose.
They lied too much.
I agree 100%, gojo has never taken a shot that would send him to space and the unlimited void argument is also valid. It's said that purple would erase her but i feel like some other citizen would just take that pain regardless.
They played it safe to let Gojo win cos they don't want Gojo stans coming after them.
gojo still wins with unlimited void
unlimited void does nothing but stun her a bit
it wouldn’t kill her
I completely agree. It makes sense why Gojo wins given what they are going off of, but the matchup of Makima is technically too vague to truly know who would win the fight if it actually happened canonically/hypothetically. I think you could say that with most Death battle match ups, but this one especially is definitely too vague to truly know. It would just be cool if Fujimoto ever releases more information on his characters for our nerdy ahh analysis.
Death battle just played it safe cos they know Gojo stans would come for them if he lost.
Makima win conditions require plans in place for this battle if gojo knew all her abilities
@@Axel-ye8tt Not sure what you mean or what this has to do with my comment
Exactly. She thrives in the fact that her abilities aren't clear-defined. The feats Makima *has* shown tho wouldn't beat Gojo, but the theoretical argument for what she *could* do would be irrelevant and be considered a no limits fallacy.
@@joshuukunYeah sure, not when the things we're talking about are things she can actually and easily pull off
Cool Video, Unfortunately at the beginning you were wrong.
Makima does *NOT CARE* how the person shes fighting against reacts or how strong they actually are, she thinks *ALL* humans are below her, she doesn't see anybody as a person and just pawns, regardless of their strength, and therefore would be able to control Gojo with no difficulty whatsoever.
You’re kinda half right half wrong here tbh.
1. You’re right that she doesn’t care how the other person reacts.
2. You’re wrong that she’d have no trouble controlling Gojo.
She has trouble controlling denji for the reasons that one, she is a self proclaimed fan of the chainsaw devil, and two, she’s uncertain of her ability to defeat said chainsaw devil.
I think that second reason applies well to how she would perceive Gojo.
@@Grimmyr She has no trouble controlling Denji, She'd been controlling Denji from the start, The only issue was her wanting to control Pochita, who is what she wanted, she never saw "Denji" for "Denji" or even Denji at all, She only saw Pochita encased in a useless shell. She spent her time trying to break his contract with Pochita, a thing she struggled doing DUE to her love for Pochita.
On the other hand, Gojo is just a human, she doesn't care about him whatsoever, he's like the rest of them to her, regardless of his powers or strength, She'd be able to control him with no struggle whatsoever, especially due to her Contract with the Prime Minister.
They also HEAVILY downplayed her Contracts, she literally can see into the future, the second that she foresees him using Unlimited Void and attacking her with Hollow Purple, she'd kill him. No questions asked.
@@ARandomEliatrope 1. the way she controlled denji wasn’t physical. She manipulated him, yes, but Denji was still merged with Chainsaw Man, so Makima’s control POWERS wouldn’t work, because she wasn’t confident in being able to defeat chainsaw man. Same would happen with Gojo.
2. So what if he’s a human. Makima views humans as lesser because she sees them as WEAK. Gojo doesn’t represent that same image, therefore Makima’s control powers wouldn’t work immediately. She would have to defeat him to do so.
3. I do agree they heavily downplayed many of her contracts, and even made a bunch of outright false assumptions about Gojo’s powers. I went more in depth on this stuff in my own comment on this video, you can probably find that by sorting through new, it would be quite a bit to explain again as a reply.
@@Grimmyrshe can't control anyone who's defeated her in battle. As such, she couldn't control pochita and denji has pochita's heart so she couldn't control Denji. As Pochita is just an extremely powerful devil, therefore she couldn't just control him
@@Grimmyr I'm not sure you've fully read the series or actually taken in what went on during the Pochita fight.
1. Denji *WAS* controlled, it's literally how she summoned Pochita out of his body to "Protect Her". She finally decided to use her powers on him to drag Pochita out by force, something she only did because she had all her cards ready to try and take down Pochita, the only thing she couldn't see as lesser than her.
2. Makima does NOT have to defeat the opponent to see them lower than her, that rule doesn't stand for Devils nor Human (see Makima and Angel Devils first meeting)
3. This doesn't need debunking or anything cause ur just right here lol
About Makima being reborn... you know they addressed that too, right? saying that it wouldn't actually be Makima, just another Control Devil with the same powers but a different person? Do you think that's untrue, and it'd just be Makima in "heart and soul" again?
I feel like this episode of DB should go in the uncertain DB list, because like Chibi said there’s a lot of vagueness when it comes to Makima and some stuff did get left out of the fight. So if anything this fight probably should’ve just ended in a draw. Like maybe having Gojo run into Nayuta and they end up getting ice cream together, that would’ve been cute to see.
Gojo squishing Nayuta's head like he did with Megumi
That was literally in the original storyboard. Gojo walking and crossing paths with Denji+Nayuta as an epilogue
Okay, something that i noticed and that the death battle didn't even bother explain the infinite knowledge thing can be redirected to 1 person and not just to all of Japan.
To me the infinite knowledge attack is a single that affects 1 person at a time, but since Makima already shoulders it to some rando then she can just continue the fight unless Gojo targets her again in the split second before she blows his head off, there was also the option to use her huge wave of demons to overwhelm him for her to slip away and perform the ritual to kill him since Gojo told her his full name.
Your mistake was calling it an attack. DB thinks it's not actually an attack, and therefore doesn't inflict any damage, and therefore can't be redirected to someone. You think that's not true?
@@BlueCrimson10 It depends by that logic Xavier can 1 shot your fandom by turning your fave into a vegetable considering I'm going out on a limb and saying the infinite void should be equal to a psychic attack so no Makima still is taking damage that would cause harm onto her body, not to mention the void itself exploded her body.
@@BlueCrimson10 The issue is that his Domain *IS* an attack, the thing is that he intended to use it to harm her/disable her, her ability works on *INTENT*, which even then isn't fully true, as whilst Powers Blood was ripping through her body it was killing thousands of people.
@@ARandomEliatropePeople were dying because of her constantly trying to regen but because of power massively slowing down her regen, she couldn’t come back all the way
in the gojo vs sukuna fight sukuna did the same thing though (though used megumi's soul instead of a person) and he was still stun locked even though his brain did not take the infinite information
I think the fact that future devil is not utilised in this fight at all seems lazy, to be honest. Intelligent character can go far with future knowledge. Also, there's devil that can put mold inside you in CSM, and it's working with devil hunters. Pretty fucking OP devil, if you ask me, considering you can't even regenerate from him, this shit just in you now. Also, she can transform into rats, she could even hide part of herself in a rat to regenerate somewhere. I don't think Makima 100% wins their fight, of course, Gojo can literaly spam his domain. It's just fight could be MUCH more interesting than that, considering how much debate is going on about who would win, it kind of just flew by.
And gojo is supposed to be unable to use his powers for a while after using domain, and makima is not a human, so his domain could not affect her like it does humans (similar to jogo), and since it is similar to cosmos devil power, makes you wonder why quanxi would not have the confindence to use that type of power on makima, and I think she could seal him somehow way easier, like send him to hell and make him face primal devils or manipulate Japan to fear him, creating the satoru gojo devil and trying to make pochita eating his concept lol
Jogo was incapicated alert gojo domain and if he stayed a couple seconds longer he would die he literally said he spared him
@n1ghtshad390 well, that's just bullshit, don't remember it ever working that way
@@guic3800I’m assuming you haven’t read latest chapters of JJK. Gojo and Sakuna are basically the exception and can use DE multiple times and still keep their techniques. Makima also doesn’t have a heavenly restriction on her, so she has at least a little bit of CE. Meaning that she would be affected by Infinite Void and cannot escape it.
@@jorgesandoval2501 Well, they did multiple domain expansions and every time they had to wait a while until they could use their techniques again, in their first clash, gojo had to run from sukuna because his domain lost and he had to wait( recovering faster with reverse cursed technique) until he could use red to blast sukuna away, it is easy to overlook but sorcerers have a cooldown after using domain, even the strongest
I'm just glad that makima died again. I don't know who actually wins
For real? Strongest in modern age vs control devil
@@Mr.WestcottX I do my best not to say my thoughts on something I have little knowledge of. That being the powerscaling of those 2
@@justpage8565 oh okay. Whoever gains the advantage in the battle using their abilities/hax strategies and exposing one's weakness
@@justpage8565db didn’t scale them right, it’s even more of a massive stomp in Gojo’s favor
We all know who wins....
Takaba😊
honestly I know it's a funny joke and I'll be ruining it for diving into the technicalities here, but if Takaba doesnt find sth funny he wont be whooping anyone's ass. I have a reason to believe that both Gojo and Sukuna would just scare the guy shitless and he wouldnt be able to maintain his CT.
Here are some questions I need to ask though
Does curse energy amplification minimize the damage of bang?
Can reverse cursed technique heal the mold?
Can domain expansion affect all of the citizens of Japan or only 1 person?
Can Makima regenerate if there's not a single chunk or blood of her body left?
I find it funny that someone took a character from Chainsaw Man to use in a death battle, considering power scaling in CSM Universe is very vague even when comparing the most powerful devils, since it's not the focus of the story.
Also something worth mentioning is that a devil's power fluctuates depending on the fear its name weighs and its contracts. That in itself is so vague that it becomes impossible to deduce how strong they are, especially when they can snowball in power level in war scenario.
And even when a devil is more powerful than another one, the weaker devil can still kill the more powerful one. This has been mentioned in the manga. So when power scaling isn't something given anywhere near serious attention by the author, even in the strory's own world, it's just hilarious to see things like this.
Death Battle between characters of different series never works because they follow DIFFERENT LOGICS.
That’s literally every Death Battle ever
I find it really weird how they said Makimas control ability only works when Makima has proven she is better than the person which is not at all how it's expained in the manga. Even if what they said was true the animation in their video has Gojo on the ground missing a leg and he is full of holes when Makima tries to control him it just doesn't make any sense why her control didn't work other than the fact that it would make for a boring fight since makima could just control him. I'm just a little annoyed that they took Makimas strongest ability and made completely useless against Gojo (also they made Angels ability completely useless as well) but when it came to Gojos DE it just didn't count as an attack despite the fact the it basically just fries your brain I guess Gojo just doesn't view that as an attack though. IMO the winner of this fight depends on who uses their op ability first which in the fight they showed Makima use it first but they basically just said ignored how her ability works so that Gojo could win. It was still a good vid and I can see why Gojo would win but I just feel like some of the moments that led up to Gojo winning were weird. Also I love both these series and if I'm being honest I prefer JJK manga right now over Chainsaw man pt. 2 it's just been nonstop hands and I love it.
I loved the fight regardless of the result, I love both of these characters and both of these series
First Chibi, yeah the power system of csm is really vague especially Makima hence why some feats of her wasn't included like the spear of Longinus, second, I saw people asking why DB didn't let Makima use the death ritual well firstly, they said Gojo will immediately find out with six eyes and use teleportation to go on Makima's location and secondly it needs prep time. Finally, yes the control devil will comeback eventually but that will not be Makima anymore it will be a completely individual aka Nayuta. Overall it was a great video and most people already agreed that Gojo got this. I was kinda surprised that you reacted to DB which I usually watch often.
Most people knew Gojo would win cos it's the safest choice for them to make.
As far as late night videos go chibi, this was actually quite entertaining: I mean yeah Gojo winning is kind of the obvious answer, but I definitely appreciate your analysis on the topic.
If Makima had won, it would have been another knock against death battle as a whole because they have made some questionable choices: I'm sorry, but you will never convince me that Sonic will lose to Mario if you take power-ups out of the equation.
Shoe, if you keep power-ups in the equation Sonic still comes out on top!
Thank you Natorious! I wanted to discuss this
@@ChibiReviews Any time Chibi: interested in covering any other battles?
maybe the next one
@@ChibiReviews Respectable
Scooby vs courage the cowardly dog bouta be a banger
I also want to point out how they prioritize fan-calc over narrative.
Even if it is dumb that characters can dodge bullets and go on par lighting in Jujutsu Kaisen.
We don't know how fast the lighting is and we know that the author obviously don't know the speed you need to dodge a bullet.
If the author gives you a value to work with (aka Mach 3) you use that instead of weird power scaling. Or you up-scale from that point.
For Chainsaw Man the only speed thing we have that are not fan-calc is the Gun Devil shooting 500 km away in 2 seconds or less (via timer) and travelling the entire world in 5 mins. (Mach ≈313)
so it just so happens that lightning is slower than bullets in JJK? these problems in different mangas only happen because writers want to make good action sequences, no author is going to have bullshit powerscaling in mind when they write their stories, that's why we take the greatest feat in the story. Even if you were right, something like Hollow Purple being made of Imaginary Mass already puts JJK at MFTL
@@HyperLinkRedacted When this is lighting made by curse energy and it is a naming fallacy (description is electricty, and the attack that is dodged don't even follow the description given) that is not lighting.
Lighting is lighting. And you just have to watch episode 13 of season 2 to have a reality check because nobody move at 400 km/s+ in JJK.
And no, "Imaginary Mass" is just Gojo creating something real by pushing and pulling,
aka Red and Blue.
This is not something that move faster than light (x1000+ = MFTL+), especially in a world where no one can react to and do on purpose Black Flashes which need you to apply cursed energy within 0.000001 second. (no jujutsu sorcerer is capable of using it at will, not even Satoru Gojo.)
The speed of sound is 340.29 m/s
So in one-millionth of a second, that speed move 0.03 cm.
The speed of lightning (4.4×10^5 m/s) would travel 44 cm.
And the speed of light 299.79 meters.
Characters during Black Flashes are static, they barely move. (At best 2-5 cm during impact)
Chibi, my man you should talk about wilheim Astraea spin off manga!!
Chibi responds to death battle?! That's a first
Makima can "Bang" Gojo's head and it's over
I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE SHOWN BOTH SIDES, THERES SO MANY MORE FACTORS AND LIMITERS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THOUGHT OF
Makima is such a good counter but her “regeneration” is very debatable, devils re appear and disappear out of the main world and she basically just does that in panels of chainsaw man when she gets dismantled in a way because its so vague.
Gojo’s eraser is questionable because how would that react to an immortal devil. If devils and curses werent classified as the same would it be different, I feel like realistically this fight would either last until one of them is permanently gone, all japanese citizens vs Makima using Bang on his head or just pulling a Power scene.
I’m fine with the outcome but I just want to see so much more, yk?
Dang I was gonna get off my computer but Chibi uploaded so ig I'll have to stick around 😂
Thank you Matt
In the death battle they mention the kashimo speed feat, that happened with kashimo vs sukuna
Late night Chibi vid, I’m here
Yeye
They missed a lot of key abilitys for Makima. She can teleport for example.. we see her do it in the Reze arc in the alley way, its never even mentioned. And by the logic THEY use, if she teleported away than used her "Instant Kill Contract" As they called it... Isn't that a game over? Same with her Telepathy she used against darkness... if she blows out Gojos brain and forces it to heal via RCT, isnt that just a stunlock until she kills him?
Also its never implied that the contract heals her, its implied it converts the attack. We see her get chunky salsad by Chainsaw when he first gets back from hell. Next time we see where her body SHOULD be shes gone no blood no anything... It seems heavily implied that she doesn't heal so much as it just kind of undoes the attack and she pops back up. And not all of the fuck ups are positive.. Like they give her the Future Devil, but Aki had that contract and she used him against Denji, so hes dead and she shouldn't have access to that.
But thats always been the real problem with Gojo vs Makima, its a fight that comes down to a shit load of "If, Then" scenarios. If X works this way THEN X Wins. But its so vague its impossible to actually predict an outcome. I have always had it come down to a very simple formula... If Devil Contracts are treated as Cursed Energy, Gojo wins 100% of the time because he can resist it. If Devil Contracts are NOT treated as cursed energy Makima turns him into swiss cheese in 5 seconds.
They mentioned if Makima teleport away and tries to use her instant kill Gojo would've just teleport too and finds her b4 she can set up her ritual, and Gojo can literally crush his own brain and regenerate it so her stun lock won't even work.
Regarding her contract it is indeed vague, but regardless of whether or not she heals or it just happens we have never seen her regenerate from something like hollow purple which just straight up erases everything. If Denji can slice her up and eat her and that's how she's defeated then Gojo can just hollow purple and call it a day.
The spear though is interesting wonder how that would've played out and if it can bypass limitless.
In the end both are broken and their moveset only works in their own respective worlds, it's just good fun anyways.
@@duyvip23 I like this take a lot
@@duyvip23The reason Denji beat Makima was because it was an attack out of love, not malice. It was a loophole around her contract.
Here's some things I'm confused at:
- Unlimited Void somehow isolating Makima's contract with the Japanese population
- Ultranerfed Angel Devil Weapons
- A lot of possible workarounds on how Makima could at least, AT LEAST, escape or bypass Gojo's Domain
- Makima would be smarter to not continuously use up her devil contracts if any purely physical attacks comes close to Gojo, and immediately shift to supernatural attacks, hence the Bang should work and it did work (Angel's Weapons COULD also work, could.)
Only thing they may got right but still nerfed to a degree is Makima's Bang/Invisible Force, it is something Infinity cannot identify in an instant anyway
Ultimately, they made Gojo win because...well... people will be angry because of the recent events from the manga...
@duyvip23 denji bypasses her contract because it wasn't an attack. It was an act of love, so it became a loophole. That purple was 100% expected to be an attack that kills, so it should have activated her contract.
@Chibi Reviews the lance isn't piercing space it was travelling through that space portal. That circle was just a portal/gateway.
So it's a stretch to say it would even get through infinity.
Great video Chibi! Also the Spear of Longinus is pronounced with a soft G.
I think the battle was great fun either way, but I agree that there were a few oversights with Makima.
-Firstly, she could use her other devil contracts that she has (ie: weapon devils, angel, snake, future, spider, violence, shark, dominion, etc...)
-Secondly, hollow purple or infinite void would be meaningless since as long as she is "attacked" then her contracts deems that she can come back to life or nullify the damage in exchange for an illness being spread to a Japanese citizen.
-And finally, Gojo is also a Japanese Citizen, so one way or another he'd kill himself before Makima's lives would run out.
The problem is that it honestly comes down to exactly how devil contracts work and their resistance to space-time manipulation.
As screw attack pointed out during their video Gojo’s limitless is manipulating the concept of infinity within the universe;
Essentially he can fully ultilize and manipulate the dragging of space time known as shifting.
Red shifting is reversals red
Blue shifting is amplification blue
Hollow purple and limitless void take two halves of what a black hole physically does.
Hollow purple is red+blue, while a black hole is red shift+blue shift (which should be physically impossible but here it is). Creating an imaginary mass/singularity point that rips through the fabric of space time.
Unlimited void has takes the part where infinite info is dumped into your head and you are perpetually stuck being able to process nothing and do nothing.
The problem here is that we don’t know if devil contracts can bring you back from being literally deleted out of space-time. Which is essentially what hollow purple does. And unlimited void also seems to physically stop time within his domain. The big question is if makima can seriously come back from nothingness.
I feel as though hax that completely ignore the fundamental forces of the universe and as a result are capable of manipulating the fabric of space-time/reality itself should be more than capable of negating/overcoming makima’s contract.
@@zorro8027Makima derives from a fundamental concept, Hollow Purple is an existent force utilized to it's peak, now the question is whether her contract regenerates her body or reconstructs it, if her body is being torn and broken down by matter destroying invisible purple ball does she need something to regenerate from? Like if she was turned into ash DOES she just reappear back or is she just gonna die from that attack even if it's reflected? (They never actually explained that or exemplified it in a better light)...
1) They do bring up those kinds of Devils, but mention how it’s unlikely that those would be useful against Limitless. Even something like the Mold Devil is countered by Reverse Cursed Energy. The only real method that Makima has was her ‘Bang’. And we have to remember that DB has a limited budget, so they don’t always use everything a combatant can use.
2) DB makes a point to mention how we see that Makima’s regen worked by putting her body back together, meaning that it needs some part of her to regen, which is why Hollow Purple was important for Gojo to win, as it eradicated Makima from existence and left nothing behind. This is how Death Battle has interpreted these kinds of overpowered immortality in the past, and people give no argument beyond “that’s not it works,” so they never saw a reason to change their minds in this regard.
3) They do bring that point up, and it is one of Makima’s win condition. But they were operating on the idea that completely eradicating Makima’s entire body would bypass her immortality, and thus surpass her contract. There’s no evidence that they found that suggested otherwise.
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Exactly what I was saying; no form or regeneration or immortality is going to stop from being Alt+Deleted out of reality, which Hollow purple does as it’s a tear in the literal fabric of space-time as an imaginary mass/singularity. But since I didn’t read Chainsaw man I was asking if makima’s contract would transcend being eradicated by hollow purple but it appears as though there isn’t anything to suggest she can.
@@zorro8027 I did read the manga, and I can assure you that there’s no evidence that Makima’s contract can counter complete annihilation
Again you're misunderstanding her power, what does Gojo's ego have to do with makimas control power. As soon as the fight starts, gojo gets controlled, she makes him kill himself and its over. This whole "ego" argument makes 0 sense since its based on HER perception of the world, not his "honored one" dumbassery
Love the video, but still no eminence in shadow E3 😢
👍🏻It was in the preview video. Titled Gojo is HIM. Btw keep the vids coming Chibi🎉
I can’t wait for gojo vs yoru, gojo vs fami, and gojo vs death devil, after we learn more about them of course
The thing with hollow purple is that is "erases" everything it comes in contact from reality, its literally called "imaginary technique: Hollow purple" because it doesn't exist theoretically and Gojo creates it by colliding two infinites together (at least that's what it sems to do based of what it does in the manga), so technically if you get hit by that you just disappear no questions asked.
is it an attack tho?
@@makimasupremacy9945 I mean yeah but if that attack erases you from existence I don't know if the contract of Makima would activate.
@@yuuichiro1799
Well the contract say that "Any form of attack" so as long it was considered an attack it will transfer as an illness or accidents to the japanese citizen.
The damage or the effect of the said attack will probably does not matter imo.
Devils in chainsaw man already works on conceptual level so Makima can regenerate from it.
Also I'm pretty sure it never stated that Hollow purple "Erase" everything in reality in the series it just destroy. Erase ≠ Destroy, both are completely different thing.
If it does erase anything in reality then he will have no problem on erasing or d3stroying Sakunas fingers in the first place or he can probably use that to d3stroy the annoying barrier on season 1.
@@makimasupremacy9945 In my opinion it's still Gojo if Makima cannot control him, he eventually kills her, by red, blue, purple, expanding the barrier of infinity and vaporizing her like he did to Hanami, domain expansion or whatever other means necessary like he showed in his fight with Sukuna, it's clearly stated by Mei Mei in Shibuya that Gojo alone can kill every single person in the nation (Japan) so hypothetically speaking, since this two are different series and the death battle settled for a similar Japan for both of them, Gojo eventually wins If Makima cannot control him, since her contract will eventually end by the dead of every single citizen and I know, she doesn't kill them, just gives them a random illness or incident but 10-20-30-100 illness and someone finally dies eventually, same thing with incidents, someone can survive 1/2/3/10 eventually some debris fall from the sky and crush you to a pool of blood, that's my final answer based of what they show in both series.
Nice head canon 😂 there’s no panel in jjk that states it erases you from reality it just precisely tears at physical matter please read both shows before commenting like you know what you’re talking about
The chainsaw Denji killed her with was a chainsaw specifically meant to kill her via the blood devil so what they said wasn’t quite accurate when it came down to how she was defeated in the manga
When it comes to characters like Gojo and Makima with abstract abilitties, it's impossible to quantify anything. How their abilities would even react to each other is unknown, so it's best to take it with a grain of salt.
These two would make a scary ass kid! And many more! XD
Also chibi what do you think about the next battle of scooby doo and courage the cowardly dog?
I dont even think the prime minister could include Gojo into the contract, due to jujutsu higher ups being even ranked higher than him. On top of that, even the higher ups themselves have no absolute control over him
In all honesty this was kinda given to Gojo, I mean the whole idea around Gojo was Gege would figure a way around Infinity down the line and well....he didn't, i mean when you start to really hate a character because you made them too strong it's honestly a sign of how strong a technique is and I honestly think DB did really well detailing this, they even added a couple of rules to make this as fair as it can be with one of them being "curses and devils to be compliable beings to avoid it being incompatible power scaling's" and that both respected Japan's to be one in the same, it's honestly rare they add a few more rules just to try and be fair to both parties.
There are things i would argue they nerfed on Makima's side but honestly....the domain expansion was always gonna be the one thing where you can argue on certain points but its such a vague and rather huge topic that even fans of CSM are just like "Gojo is taking this and that's ok"
All the stuff about Gojo being affected in some way bc of Makima's contract assumes that contract WOULD affect everyone in Japan. Not that it could, but that it would. I'm assuming the guys in DB don't think she would let it come to that, and I think that because of that mission statement right after her defeat that says only 1024 non-sorcerers were killed. There are a LOT more people than that in Japan, especially non-sorcerers, so that must have been put there to imply she'd void the contract before her death because she's gonna die anyway and taking everyone else with her would be pointless. As far as Gojo goes, anyone strong enough to defeat her shouldn't be destroyed if she still wants her ideal world to exist even if she's not I KNOW, CONTROL DEVIL, BUT STILL even if she's not the one to bring it about she'd end up putting that hope on Gojo's shoulders instead.
Based on what you've said Makima's transferance ability is random. It selects a random person and afflicts them with a random illness or disease. So Gojo could theorically be afflicted with deafness or cancer or something that poses no imminent danger to him.
To me the information overload from "Limitless" wudnt be considered an "attack" per say. It is just an side effect from the environment she was transferred to and her brain wud never even be able process that it was an attack if it was considered one in the first place. Also if Makima dies she duznt come back, a new control devil is born cuz that is what happens in the story. My idea is from the idea that if Makima was in the ocean and she cudnt swim and drowned that isnt an attack and only "attacks" on her are transferred based on the contract
At the wnd of the fight when hes on his knees i liked how they showed the angel devil spear being prepared because in my eyes makima figured out his technique by then so she activated it but it was too late showing that it might have worked if she got the hit
Ya said Sir Chibi that ya think the script was before the current events of the manga, they did do this match up on Death Battle Cast live so ya might be right (watched it myself same outcome as the death battle itself)
Honestly it would make sense for either of them to win, but it would end up being a very complicated fight based on a lot of hypotheticals.
My main issue with it is that they made Gojo win in a disingenuous way, so I’m gonna list some of the mistakes and assumptions they made here.
1. They interpreted a fan theory that hollow purple is existence erasure as fact.
By all canon means, it is basically just a combination of attraction and repellant forces resulting in very precise MATERIAL dissolution. Given that the CSM verse tends to work along the lines of beings such as Makima existing on the CONEPTUAL level, I would conclude Makima could still just regenerate from no body material as long as the attack doesn’t destroy her as a concept. (Note that the only reason power’s blood worked is because it actively fought her regeneration, and only bought time for denji to do *The Big Funny*)
2. They Assumed Gojo could unleash a hollow purple WITHIN his unlimited void, despite basically nothing in the source material ever implying such is possible.
3. They outright omitted the unlimited void’s rate of information flow as shown in shibuya. In 0.2 seconds, 6 months worth of information flows into the target, any more being lethal. By that logic, given that makima’s contract redirects damage to Japanese citizens, it would take about 440 days of constant UV activity before the effects would actually take Makima herself out of commission (time which Gojo just can’t keep the domain open for)
4. They seemed to randomly give Gojo more base durability against Makima’s force projection than he is shown to have in jjk. Gojo’s main sources of durability are Falling Blossom Emotion, and Reverse Cursed Technique. FBE is exclusively a domain expansion/cursed energy counter, which has no bearing on PHYSICAL attacks, and RCT is regenerative, and not PREVENTATIVE. Gojo would still have to take the damage to regenerate from it. That would basically be the same as assuming Makima is completely invincible until everyone in Japan is dead, which would be disingenuous, as her body can still be damaged rather easily. She just regenerates completely afterward. (Note that Toji’s weapons were very much able to deal damage to Gojo’s body in a similar way to how they would damage any other human.)
5. They also assumed that Makima’s force projection is instantaneous impact that infinity couldn’t counter and that it doesn’t travel, which isn’t a definitively answerable question until the scenes get animated.
5. They equated JJK’s Japan to CSM’s Japan, which would make Gojo part of Makima’s contract, which is an already disingenuous way of doing these kinds of matchups in the first place. Gojo would not be part of Makima’s Japanese Citizen contract.
Overall, I think the battle is just incredibly even and depends on a few different unanswered questions to be definitively answered, but here are my scenarios that I could think of
1 (Makima’s Force Projection is Instantaneous): Makima Wins after a long protracted battle given Gojo’s teleportation, but she eventually lands a hit that would blast apart most of Gojo’s body, similarly to power, leaving no opportunity for RCT to take place
2 (Force Projection does travel and isn’t instantaneous): Gojo’s infinity takes care of Makima’s attacks, and Makima tries to prepare a bystander for the sacrifice, but Gojo doesn’t allow for a long enough opening, therefore he eventually wins after a protracted battle from either killing Makima enough times to nullify the contract, or Makima gets exhausted (we don’t know if Makima’s guard being down was a form of exhaustion, but either way Gojo would take this). Gojo could also somewhat speed up his win by immobilizing Makima multiple times with unlimited void, opening her up to basically get farmed (pun intended) until her contract doesn’t work anymore.
(Note that Makima would be able to use the spider devil to get out of the domain if it wasn’t for the fact that she still takes the damage she receives before it transfers, so Makima would be too forced into a corner to make a move of her own during the time that UV is active).
cope makima gets clapped just using infinity and red alone 😂
@@timmy9298 since when did I say Makima should’ve won💀
@@timmy9298bruh he/she said gojo gets the wincon,did you even read his/her comment?😂
@@timmy9298yummy yummmy bias
1. They straight up acknowledged this at the end in a black box in the top right corner.
Makima wins and it's not even close.
"If makima teleports gojo can just telepory to her" how would he know where she is? How would he even teleport to hell?
"Gojo's domain deals infinite damage with its infinite knowledge infusion" it doesn't, if it did all of the humans would have died when gojo used his 0,2 seconds domain, sukuna would have a died instantly too when he was affected by the domain for a split second during their fight.
Either way, makima orders gojo to die and he does. It's really that simple, people are just in denial. Even if she can't, she would just teleport somewhere and make a plan to kill him, gojo wouldn't be able to follow her, and she would have all the time in the world to make a plan.
And that's without forgetting that she's far faster than him as she could keep up with chainsaw man and quanxi.
Thats suprising. Didnt think youd ever talk about death battle.
Gojo vs Makima is definitely one of the more complex matchups to talk about, and Death Battle themselves said they were complicated to compare. There's a lot to go over regarding these two. Just look at the two (that's right, two) prediction blogs this matchup got. Both times Gojo won, but only by one vote, and in the second blog one of the people who worked on it stayed neutral and didn't pick a side.
People have to remember that Death Battle isn't just trying to explain who would win in a fight, but also portray and explain it in a way that is simple to understand for the casual crowd who doesn't spend as much time researching characters like this. They did what they could for a 20 minute episode and a three minute animation, and whether it was satisfactory or not depends on the individual because, again, this matchup is really complicated.
It took fanfiction to give Gojo a W after a month of L's.
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Okay so few things I found wrong with the fight:
1. Gojo would not be able to use Hollow purple after using Unlimited void since it's a ground rule that sorcerers cursed techniques go haywire for some time after using their DE
2. "Makima can't control gojo", people say that Makima wouldn't be able to control gojo, but she would be able if she proved her superiority no? And she pretty much did? She beat him before hitting him with the chain, IN HER EYES she got him on his knees, what matters is her perception of it so she would be able to control him at that point.
3. Limitless being an instawin for Gojo - they say that Makima works exactly like Santa Claus... Which is wrong - Santa Claus shares consciousness with other people at the same time, Makima. doesn't. She transfers her injuries ONE PERSON AT A TIME, it wouldn't work like they said
Also there are people who say the information that UV puts in your head is infinite so Makima would be toast anyway and... That is also wrong, if you read or watch shibuya you would know that in 0.2 seconds of gojo's domain being activated, the ammount of into put into people's heads was 6 months, which also wasn't lethal to them, meaning the amount of information overload depends on how long UV is active, which also explains why jogo didn't become a permanent vegetable... If anything he was already able to speak a few seconds after coming out of UV
just to let u know, gojo used his domain multiple times vs sukuna in the latest chapters. so he is the exception to his first point. with the whole "can gojo be controlled thing", I think its really a 50/50. there are arguments on both sides that can say so ill just leave it up to whoever. also with the UV, makima cant stop it since its unlimited information to all involved. also domains are "sure hit" techiqunes so its debatable if makima's contracts are disabled in them. also with the 0.2 domain clash and jogo, the only reason why jogo didn't die after a few seconds is because curses are naturally stronger than humans. and gojo didn't want to kill jogo. he wanted him alive for information. i think personally the fight is cool but there is a lot of weird interactions that make this fight difficult.
how does she share unlimited void if it isn't considered an attack.@@user-fb7zv7zu2y
There are cases where her contract doesn’t follow the “illness and accidents” part she brings up, though it always follows the “those that fit the bill” criteria (usually an ailment or accident occurs that fits the way she dies) sometimes (more like a lot towards the end of Chainsaw ch1) it just transfers the same effect to others in the contract, and Angel’s Power isn’t really piercing space, just boosting in power since all the years were put into it, hope this clarifies a bit more!
No, if it’s specifically stated to be that way, you can’t convince me otherwise from the words of the author lol. How is Angles Spear just boosting power? when the spear pierces throw a black circle with clearly stars in them? If her other usage weapons sliced through intangible things like the Ghost Devil, and only 10-100 years where sacrificed in the process than a 1.000 year sacrifice definitely does more than boosting lol.
@@The_Omnipotent_Lurk you can say that all you want, the evidence the mangaka has both written and drawn show different, also for the spear if it does anything else it’s not stated *What* it does, that’s why it’s only a power boost until further notice, all we know is that it has a showy start up.
@@exwardd9629 evidence? the evidence are the mangakas statements that’s what counts, if he states that fatal inquiries are redirected to japanese people as illnesses, than no Gotard fan who’s fanbase can’t even cope properly with Gojo’s death and send death threats to their author can convince me otherwise. lmfao How come you say it’s a power boost your just assuming as well? lol Judging by the Weapons made before from the Angle Devil, like the 100-year sword or Akis Katana that cut intangible things because he cut the Ghost Devil’s head off. The 1.000 year Sword and the laser beam are two different things. She was confident that this laser thing would hurt chainsawman. Since the black circle has stars in it, it resembles space and the beam looks like it is really fast so i assume it to be a lightspeed attack since lightspeed is mostly connected to space tho that’s just assumptions at this point.
@@The_Omnipotent_Lurk 1st off, Rude. 2nd I am also going off of what the author has said, if you properly read my original post, I just pointed out that it’s also not just specific accidents and illnesses as shown by the final fight with Makima that the *author* wrote. 3rd we know it’s not a laser beam, it’s a spear, magnified by Angel’s power yes, but still a spear, nothing else has been said about it and assuming it has other abilities more than what Angel has shown imbuing in them is just headcanon, as you’re just making a leap of logic by seeing a showy appearance of power. You’re in such denial about wanting a character to win you’re willing to make stuff up about her abilities when a person points out a flaw in your logic. What people did to Gege was terrible and those people need to get mental help yes, but not everyone that’s a fan of JJK or Gojo is like that, and I hope you can realize that in the future.
Also if you really want to get technical, Gege did get a professional to help make Kashimo’s abilities as correct as possible, meaning The Electromagnetic waves that he shoots at pre-transformed Sukuna would be Lightspeed, and means that Gojo would still be able to out dodge her attacks anyways.
@@exwardd9629 Since you’re butt hurt about it i’m too going out of my way, to as best as i can pass the author’s intent to you, starting with your second point, it is specific accidents and illnesses as shown because it’s makima’s statement that reflects the author’s view not your head cannon, i can say the same thing about your em waves while it is true, they travel at light speed, it doesn’t mean kashimo himself is faster than light what kind of logic is that?, nothing back it up for kashimo to travel at light speed, Sukuna scales to him, in the panel where Kashimo uses those em waves Sukuna got hit with the attack, now if you think Kashimo travels at lightspeed does that mean Sukuna dodged the attack at lightspeed too? NO, because he still was in the Form that killed Gojo and nothing in this fight is stated or looked like lightspeed. So no, attacking with lightspeed and being as fast as light are being completely confused by you. Now to your 3rd point, If you’d read it properly you can see that the speech bulb of Makima that states “1.000 year” is followed by the holo summoning the spear, and its flying through the space it may be a portal to accelerate things because the spear looks nothing like spear as soon as it touched the black space circle. And no, it has other abilities as depicted in the manga, Akis sword, the 10-year,100-year and 1.000-year sword are all Angle weapons so they have similarities, the higher the age the more powerful the weapon is, Akis sword cut through a Ghost, an intangible Devil. So the spear is not just a spear as you say, lol kobeni’s face was illuminated as hell too, it’s just assumptions to be lightspeed though but it’s the same for JJk nobody in jjk is as fast as light the only authentic proofs we have is maki’s mach 3. Bro, proof? my god, where is the proof that Gojo is lightspeed, i want a proof of that, since you’re such a devoted JJK-Fan you pretty sure are aware of Akutami Gege’s lil notes he wrote here and there explaining RCT or Gojo’s techniques, well one note of his actually states the following: “Gojo is also seen teleporting in both volumes, but that can only be done under certain conditions” the fact that Gojo didn’t even bother to use his lightspeed movement as you claim since he scales to Kashimo’s lightning attack which is dumb too, because it doesn’t say ANYTHING about the movement of light speed, should be clear that Gojo is nowhere NEAR Lightspeed, when we have clear statements from Gege, drop the head cannon already and cope with Gojo’s death already lol Lightspeed my ass do you even know how fast light speed is my dude? within air lightspeed it’s about mach 874.030 if we got clear statement about speed within the manga like mach 3 than no way in hell is it going to jump from mach 3 to 800.000 it’s only head cannon and nothing else. Meanwhile we have clear statements in the csm manga how fast Makima reacted to the bullet of the gun devil. Makima prepared to activate her ability after the bullets fired and before it hit her, since it went 500 km in a second the total speed is Mach 1457 and btw that’s only 20 % of the gun devil, if we do the math here, a Gun Devil at 100 % should be able to shoot a bullet at mach 7285. that’s 2477 kilometres in just one second and the Darknesses Devil scales way higher than that because it’s a primal fear and Makima scales to the Darkness Devil since she harmed him. That should give you a clear answer lmfao Makima stomps Gojo in reaction speed since she reacted to the bullet. Overall The csm verse destroys your fodder jjk verse
I do think the illness that afflicts the citizens would be in line with what Makima is hit with like being shot in the head would cause someone to have a brain clot, Gojo's domain would probably afflict some sort of comatose or instant brain death and Gojo's pretty much refreshes his brain making it ineffective either way.
Getting hit with hollow purple though, I'm not sure how it would manifest as a ailment? Someone gets thanos snapped on the spot? My best theory is that Makima's contract can only afflict a person once and it's usually deadly so no point on making it afflict a live person more than once but if Gojo was hit by his own limitless ailment, maybe that's why he wasn't thanos snapped out of existence. If my theory is correct as well, Makima's ran out of lives to shield her at that point right after she got hit with Gojo's domain making her killable.
Yes, she reincarnates but they made it a point that it's not the same person despite being also the control devil.
I think when gojo hit her with blue lapse, a random person died by being crushed underwater
@@nobodywatchesnooby Yeah. Probably some final destination stuff.
Gojo has continuous rct, so even if the illness or whatever is transferred to him cuz he’s a citizen, he just heals anyway. Plus gojo can understand with the 6 eyes there danger of spear and teleport
Makima obliterated from the neck down to the top of the legs from Power. Gojo isint surviving that or if Makima headshots him
Hey glad to see you covering this topic. On a side note, death battle also didnt mention how reverse cursed energy can be use to annihilate curse spirits or nullify curse energy. Moreover, simple domain and domain amplification could have been used to nullify and bypass special abilities and techniques. Seeing how they mention that makima would be considered very similar to a cursed spirit, these factors gives gojo even more credibility to his victory
Indeed.
There is the possibilty that Unlimited void is not necerrily considered an attack under Makimas contract. You could regard is as a gift. Gojo gives the person unlimited information of the universe which than has the side effect or rendering the person useless/immobile. So it is unclear if she even could transfer that to another person.
I’d say that’s too much of a hypothetical to rely on, though Makima would be left immobilized during the time that UV is active anyway because she isn’t immune to actually taking the damage, she just regenerates from it immediately afterward. But because UV is constant, it would basically just start farming her contract as long as it remains active. Gojo wouldn’t be able to rely COMPLETELY on that though because he just can’t keep domain expansion open indefinitely.
She was unaffected by Cosmo Devils Halloween ability and transfered it to a Japanese citizen at the end of chapter 70. That ability is worse than Gojo's and was considered an attack, so she should be unaffected by his unlimited void.
@@matth1641 there is an argument to make that cosmo wasn’t actually attacking Makima with the ability given she never ended up in the library in the first place, though it’s kinda iffy given we did see a random person who wasn’t a doll also saying Halloween shortly after.
@@Grimmyr We don't see it but it's implied. They aren't physically transported there anyways, they're only mentally transported there. Fujimoto left out the part of Makima being mentally transported to the library, but heavily implied it at the end.
One of the writers said like a week before the ep was released that they had to change the script 4-5 times because of gojo and sukuna's fight
On the spear thing I don't think so. Even though it can Pierce space it still has to go through it meaning gojo can still make it never reach him
From what i saw vs Kashimo, Sukuna's space cutting cleave and dismantle still needed to move through space and it cut Gojo in half
Infinity is a finite space around Gojo where anything approaching the space is slowed down infinitely. So anything that cuts that space itself will bypass infinity
The problem for me is that they ecplained how Makima wins but then decided she would lose. Also humans are automatically beneath her. Strengh and character are not important, Gojo is a human so he is scum and in her eyes no more than a dog
Yh they contradicted themselves. And off course Gojo won cos he's popular.
That doesn’t really matter, Gojo being better than everyone else is something that’s implemented in your mind upon first glance. Take Toji, for example, he saw Gojo when he was a kid and upon seeing him immediately knew what he was destined to be and trained to beat him. Makima is in such high position in public safety, as well as being a devil, it’s only a mindset that she’s above all humans. However upon first glance, Gojo would be an exception to that rule.
@@user-tv9db8oe6k Makima specifically said all humans, no matter how strong they are, are beneath her on an existential level. Sorry but when your argument relies on speculation only it’s not valid. Goji might be strong in JJK but compared to Chainsaw man he is mid. Makima has seen and met devils far above Gojo and still thought they are beneath her
@@achmahnsch it’s not just that though, Makima wouldn’t be able to get in because his cursed energy. Which normal humans can’t use. And Gojo refreshes his positive energy around the clock. This is why Denji was an exception, he had special demonic energy in him via pochita being his heart. The same thing would be true with Gojo with his cursed energy because it forces it into your mind.
@@user-tv9db8oe6k no my guy, no! Makima didn’t see denji different. First of age only had eyes for Chainsaw man less so for denji but she couldn’t control him because she admires chainsaw man. It has nothing to do with denji being a devil, I mean cmon she owns multiple devils so that doesn’t work. She adores Chainsaw man and sees him as superior because he can erase all of the bad in the world, which is her goal after all.
It’s specifically about the Chainsaw devil
The limiteless void would all japanese as in the amnga, in the shibuya arc, it is said that if gojo activated his domain for too long, all the information would cause people to die, even if they do not die, jsut 0.2 seconds putted everyone uncoscious, meaning either people all voer japan would die or be put into uncoscious state.
So even if Makima converted the effects of the infinite info dump into an ailment, it wouldnt bother gojo since he has RCT to heal pretty much anything. Dude was frying and healing part of his brain constantly.
As for misfortune, l see no way thats gonna happen since its gonna require an external force to inflict said misfortune. Within the dormain, nothing can get in. And there are no other domain users to do what sukuna did in this battle of makima so that misfortune can befall gojo. So her only option is making him sick? but that wont help her. Remember, all he requires the domain for is a second to chant Hollow purple and delete her. And l think making him sick wont take away the opening his domain creates with the stun.
Honestly the issue with matchup is that makimas best offense and defense against gojo are really vague
Defence: whats considered as an attack?
Offense: does her bang and crush have a guaranteed hit/action/effect quality?
When it comes to offense at least gojo has has rct so it wouldnt matter
For defence is where it gets weird because it transports any dmg she wouldve taken to someone else and regens her but infinity doesbt hurt you it just stuns you(you could potentially make an argument for it damagibg your brain but we have no science to eother prove or disprove that so it goes both ways) theres also the question of if she can come back from existance erasure or if gojo can just migrate
Finalky her trump card the control devil ability
This one is a paradox because to precieve gojo as weak enough to be controlled she would have to believe he isnt a big enough threat for her to go all out and if she does believe that she woudlnt control him
Almost all of these are win cons for both sides so it's legit a 50/50 on which can break which and who realises that they can get their wincon
Probably the only reason why Gojo won is because his wincons are much more straightforward cause we really don't know how Makima's abilities fully work
I would say causing brain dmg and potentially putting people into a coma can be considered an attack
@@awoooga5857 thing is its not certain if its brain dmg as while non sorcerers are fucked by it makima is anything but and you could make a case that its within the operating capacity of her brain where it only stuns her but doesnt outright cause dmg
but again 50/50
@@janjacobtumbaga82 honestly as much as i dont wanna say it its this tbh
both parties are very close due to their uncertain win cons so most people will default to the one they understand better
Honestly I would say Makima would win depending if she’s allowed to have the resources she’s been given by the Japanese government and certain people she has control over.🤔🐱
I’m still wondering why those finger bullets worked…..
I wanna know if makima can survive being erased from reality with something like hollow purple. Since its not really an physical attack Would it affect a random japanese person .
My problem is, when Makima starts using her finger gun, why does she aim for anywhere but Gojo's head when none of her other attacks could reach him? Death battles writing fight wise is pretty bad imo because most fights end poorly because of things like that.
Edit: In fact there's a lot wrong with this match up when i think about it more. It could swing both ways honestly. I think Makima would win specifically because of her force projection, since i believe it isn't something his infinity can block. Also I think Unlimited void wouldn't work on Makima since it would kill a normal person in 0.2 seconds. with how Makima's contract apply that by everyone in Japan and she could outlast UV's duration. THEN they went and let Gojo use hollow purple inside unlimited void which we don't know if he can do.
All Makima would need to do is aim for a important body part like his head after realizing infinity can't block force projection.
The very first thing Gojo did with RCT was heal a wound to the head.
Also she didn't seem to aim for the head when firing at Power or Chainsaw Man either.
@@luck_adianteno it was to the neck if she hits him in his brain he can’t use rct and gets insta killed
@@luck_adiante Wound is the key word. Makima's force projection would have blown his head off, not just wound him.
She didn't use it the same on Denji Cause she wants to control Denji, besides that limitation doesn't mean anything for Death Battle cause characters are supposed to go for the kill. If it did then Gojo wouldn't have used Unlimited Void because it could hurt all the people in Japan(Because of Makima's contract) which is against his morals, but he used it anyway.
100% this battle was pre planned. Probably like a year or less ago.
Think so too
Actually no, they literally showed mangas panel of Gojo fighting Sukuna in their last fight. They have knowledge of the recent things concerning Gojo
Do you think the outcome would be different if they did this a year from now,? I think they had the episode ready and hurried to release after the recent JJK chapters to prevent a change of result..@@ChibiReviews
This fight pretty much comes down to. DO you believe hollow purple will actually kill makima or does her contract save her. Outside of that gojo looses due to the fact to beat her is well and above his stamina and ability to kill her over 100 million times or she just points at his head and melts his brain turning off all his abilities and killing him
Its more off a win condition fight where it's who gets their instant kill ability off first or if makima instantly forced gojo into a contract
The thing is that unlimited Void wouldn’t work on her like they say it would
yes it would, its not an attack
@@bloodnessx I mean alcohol poisoning isn’t an attack and she transferred that so…
@@masterpink6963Gojo stans can't accept that Makimas transfer can work on things like that
@@Loldino897 unfortunately for them that is the case and unfortunately for us they will keep ignoring that fact
@@bloodnessx Makima was unaffected by Cosmo Devil's Halloween ability and transfered it to a random Japanese Citizen at the end of chapter 70. Halloween, which is all the information in the universe, was considered an attack. If she was unaffected by Halloween, she shouldn't have been affected by Gojo's Unlimited Void.
Gojo is more popular and will bring INSANE criticism if Gojo lost. DeathBattle are pretty safe to avoid ANY controversy against the more popular fanbases.
That's not the reason, most people went in expecting Gojo would win coz it's just the most likely outcome. I am a Makima simp and knew she would lose even if I don't like Gojo
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 Irrespective, my point still stands. IF SOMEHOW Makima won, they would've gotten pelters.
@@ashersanjan125 yeah because she should lose lmao not because gojo is more popular
@@a.a677 exactly lol
She should've won, but the gojo fanbase would've decimated them if he lost. They can't take another loss
Using past tense to refer to Gojo hurts, not used to it yet 😭😭😭
The sliced one vs the devoured one lol
It would be cool if they let Makima win when Gojo gets a heart attack at the end thinking he won and Makima crawls out of the rubble. But Gojo is way too popular for that. Most of the time they let the popular characters win, its kinda boring.
Bro just said it be cool if makima won not based on any fact but how cool it would be ....listen to yourself hypocrite 😂
@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv I said it would be cool if her lore with the prime minister was used
or the Lance, or her fight in hell with a much stronger void being than Gojo.
None of the op stuff Makima has was used, but all the op stuff Gojo uses was
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 but he constantly using everything she isn't we are talking about all his main abilities that are constantly in use
@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv that's what I mean, she only uses her very basic stuff, he gets to use like 20 different abilities and all his most op stuff
While Makima uses none of hers, so it would have been cool, because her abilities are much more outside the normal " ah look big ball of energy goes brrr"
With Makima involved, it should have never been a regular death battle, because you can't kill her.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115how is she able to set up her 1 shot contract 😂
As someone who hasn't watched both, Gojo winning was something that was easy to see. Neigh infinite power vs Finite lives was obvious (and they even tried to make that fairer by making him a resident of the same japan, so there was a chance of him being sacrificed too, but his regeneration was already unreal)
I also did hear the information that Chainsaw Man Demons are practically immortal, but it was also mentioned in the last moments that they may not be the same "person". We can't call it a draw when she can lose, even if temporary.
even if Gogo dies can he just revive with reversed cursed technique? besides the attacks directed to makima mannifest on the japanese citizens as a random illness or element I guess it depends on what the limits of the reversed curse are can it cure anything? even illness idk never saw jujutsu kaisen but I think Gogo wins the potential of Makima is really vague and I saw chainsaw man
Imagine if mahito's DE hit makima instead, all people in japan would've been monsters (assuming they didn't get inflicted with a random illness or just die instead)
How are you gonna say gojo would win against makima if he literally _______ in the manga against someone that is literally less powerful than makima? Yeah i said it. Less powerful.
Well. You're not wrong.
bruh lol makima would get folded by sukuna
@@GoldenPhaze 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Makima doesn't have a dimensional manipulation attack like Sukuna.
@@GoldenPhazewould probably eat her considering she is a woman. And he eats women and children
Gojo has no way to kill Makima, all attack damage will be transferred to Japanese citizens, including his Unlimited Void Domain Expansion. Makima could use one person to withstand one attack, even the damage is overflowing
She can't come back as makima if she's completely destroyed
They already explained it in their post analysis, even if Makima tried to transfer the effect of Unlimited Void to random Japanese citizens, it’s still called “Unlimited” for a reason, it will ultimately affect Makima even if it has to kill every single Japanese citizens until it reaches her (except Gojo himself since he’s immune to his own abilities). Also, Makima NEEDS a part of herself to regenerate from, Purple annihilate her completely in that case.
@@kenw4574I think what they mean is the attack would affect 1 person in Japan, the attack being infinite doesn't matter if she redirects it to someone and attacks Gojo, so I'm pretty sure she could've kept going
@@bunnyconcubus8468 that doesn’t make sense, even if it does I really, REALLY doubt that the Makima could just transfer the effects of ALL of Unlimited Vold into a single person, that’s like saying “Makima’ll be killed by drowning, but she transfer the effects of drowning to 1 person and now she can Breath unwater!” Like no bro, she’s gonna to drown again if she doesn’t transfer it to another person. Unlimited Void is like being drown but 100 times worse since the effects are instant instead of slowly like drowning.
@@kenw4574 I see your point but that only work if the infinite void is a continuous attack and he's not just firing 1 at her since no one has resisted it we don't now of its an active ability or he fires it once at a time.
Fun fact Someone sneaks in a Kagurabachi meme in the fight, but it's really hard to see.
Personally, I saw her ability to transfer damage to Japanese citizens similar to Reverse Curse Technique, since she can basically “heal” any damage inflicted on her (and transfer simply as an illness to someone else). Cut in half? Someone got the flu. Riddled with bullets? Someone else got small pox.
But how Denji beat her… he basically ate her using love instead of an attack. Gojo’s arsenal uses a lot of “attacks” so I’m not sure if he could win in that regard… but you could argue that she’s like a Cursed Spirit, with “cursed” energy. Since Reverse Cursed Energy is “healing” in a sense, and “Red” is made with it… it might bypass her defense?
And with that spear, I also see it like Sukuna’s world cutting slash he learned; it has the potential to kill Gojo, but it’s not like Gojo couldn’t heal from it. When Mahoraga used it, it caught him off guard, but it wasn’t lethal. But Sukuna launched it, making sure it was a lethal strike. So depending on where Makima hits Gojo, would prove how lethal it is. But she’d basically have to head shot Gojo (or else he would heal), and in the chapter, you see Chainsaw Man being able to move fast enough to get in the way of the spear and Kobeni, so it isn’t unreasonable to say Gojo could dodge it and/or heal from an attack that didn’t heal his head.
They made her "Bang" attack too weak, like it was a revovler or something, that attack disintegrated power and sent the chainsaw devil into space, but when it hit gojo it was a light tap. Gojo has strong defense but hes never taken an attack of that magnitude, if shot in the head or chest with the same force as in the manga he'd die instantly.
@@toe552Bang destroyed Powers torso and arms but db made it a tiny hole
@@toe552lol, bang is just a troll move. Her actual telekinesis is just an attack that comes into existence at the point of impact in the moment of impact.
She can make u juicebox or make u explode from the inside.
That's y u don't see any humans in CSM trying to fight her.
Couldn't makima have also just used Halloween 💀
She's not got the Cosmos fiend under her thumb, so no
@theonlychickensama8353 well she offed angel at the end of the assassination ark so I just assumed so. Like how she used kon and angels powers even tho they were dead
Makima can't transfer the damage she took from the domain since Domains has sure-hit effects. Even you have Gojo's Infinity or any broken ability, domain's sure-hit effects will hit you.
The only way to counter a domain is some techniques similar to simple domain, which only exists on the JJK verse.
Contracts and binding vows are equalized in this fight. Sure she gets hit, but the contract must remain true and the effect HAS to be transferred elsewhere.
Nah the domain hit will be just as effective as shooting her, we know how that turned out
Infinite is infinite, japan (even the world) has finite number of people.
1. Gojo's DE wouldn't work on Makima since in CM there's literally a better version of it that doesn't work on her.
2. If we consider that Bang! works on Gojo then animation didn't depict the natural radius of that attack which would obviously blow his head to pieces and end the fight
I still think that the fight is a lot closer than DB made it seem.