The Ultimate Trail eBike? Make The Right Choice!
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Some people agonise over the fine details bikes and find making a decision really difficult! In this video, Steve Jones takes a look and compares the difference between two sleek trail bikes that can handle tough and technical terrain, both uphill, and downhill! The Canyon Neuron:On and the all-new Canyon Neuron:ON Fly
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I’ve tried the new Bosch SX, and its a really powerful motor… but you have to spin like on a road or gravel bike. Mtb single trails are a very different context. On the uphill trails we are forced to stop pedaling for the proper timing with obstacles , or because the hairpins are very tight or simply the trail is to steep to spin a 34x52 gear at 90 rpm. In these situations the SX motor drop 80% of its power and at that time you find yourself on almost analogic bike that weight 20 kg… restarting with the SX motor needs 2 or 3 pedals revolution to get back to power delivery. This is unacceptable on tight steep trails. A fantastic motor for Road or Gravel bike where you can spin all day long at over 90 rpm. Not a good MTB motor for rider that is not limited to traditional MTB uphill trails but wants to do some more technical stuff…
I’m a full power, big battery kinda guy. Always have, always will. “And I’m gonna stick to that for now.” 😂
I'm on my second second spectral on, no one can convince me that a bike with 1 to 2 kilos lighter but on 55nm is a good choice, climbing tech and the decent is what its all about, and when you are spending big bucks buy a bike you came grow into, your skills will definitely improve.After riding DH for more then 20 years I never thought I would get a kick out of riding tech climbs.
Depends on where you live. I'm at sea level, so a lighter bike with a smaller motor makes total sense. I have a 60nm motor and I rarely have it in turbo because it's too powerful.
@@wmercer7234 rider weight also a big factor
I prefer the lighter bikes for XC riding, assist when you need it, doesn’t feel like a tank when the motor cuts out at 16 mph on the flat.
@@hogg8984yep that sucks for sure
I love Steves content, however, I think he got himself a bit confused in this video, he certainly manged to confuse me. Keep up the great work Steve.
I love my Trek Fuel EXe. It just feels like a normal mountain bike, and i love it's agility.
I have an orbea rise H ,not quite the same but for all the same reasons.
I have one also an incredible bike 👌
Fuel EXE owner here. The weight and motor just disappear when you ride it.
@@Cycle9568 agreed 👍
you are right you have to get used to the E bike, I am still getting used to my brakes, I always brake late because I forget all about all the power and weight of the 2022 Giant Reign E+, lots of fun!
Maybe you could ride something simpler like one of those car things ?
Great review Steve. Totally agree. Have a CUBE stereo hybrid hpc 140 spx 750 and am in love with it. Would love to see a CUBE stereo hybrid reviews in the future....
Thanks
Yay! I have the 160 version, which is essentially the same bike with a tiny bit more travel, but, crucially for me, 27.5" wheels, which is why I decided upon buying it! Definitely awesome machines, especially when you do the mandatory derestriction, and unleash the potential of the Bosch CX motor. If you have not done this, I advise using a device called the "Planet 3" which is a mechanical derestriction device, that doesn't cost the earth and allows your motor to assist you up to a theoretical, 47ish mph! So, great choice good Sir!
@marcopaganotto9125 yeah I went for the 29er.
If I need to do 50odd mph I'll take the car lol.
Cheers lad!
The scenery in this video is spectacular!!!
I’m thinking in buying E-MTB to help me go faster uphill and then enjoy the downhill (with small jumps and technical stuff) the last time a tried a e-bike I think that was to heavy and I can’t play around…
To you think that the fly is a good bike for me?
I buyed the Spectral because of all the good tests and reviews but its EP801 just lost the battle in every aspect against my Specialized 2.2. Im riding a Kenevo Pro now and this bike is so much fun even on the street. Feels lighter, even more agile.Maybe this will change with the new Shimano Software upgrade.
Excellent video! The Neuron:OnFly is very nice but the Neuron:On (CF 8 in particular) for me is the best choice. 61 years old, 92 kg, 30 years riding a MTB. I want all the power, full ahead!!
And the price is great, best of the market
Thanks for that precise review, i'm interesting to know what you think about the new rise in 140mm. 16,5kg, full power, looks fantastic!
Full power @16.5 kg!?
That sounds awesome, my full power is currently at 60lbs
I love my Bulls Copperhead but only con is the weight.
Full power , big battery all the way. Also the SL versions seem to be more ££ - less for more ?
That route looked like an awesome adventure where is this Brecon area ?
Forgive me, but why would you rather chose the ever so slightly lighter bike that lacks the power of the other bike, which is barely heavier anyway?! 1-2KG difference will not even be noticed on the full power bike, however the lack of power will be noticed on the barely lighter version, I'm thinking?! And if you want to work out more, just change the torque values in the scary big brother Bosch app!
I agree on 2kg. But my SL is a very different experience to my Turbo Levo. For my physicality and skill 6kg is very noticeable. I'd sell them both for a sub 18kg full power bike. Just need better energy density with lighter batteries.
@@Silverbeardedsurferthey are coming
Why not just get Orbea Rise LT? Best of both worlds and Fox 36?
Seems that Steve's form of trail riding on extreme uphill challenges is fairly exclusive. Is that a UK thing?
Nice one, Steve. Nice to see you home with the sheep 🐑 😅 I think you are on the money with fat and low fat, I have the Whyte E-lite 140 works, and now with over 300 miles under my belt, I don't want a full fat CX again 😀 it's so much better than people think, a few hours is not long enough to learn how the motor works 😀 with the app it adds in some spice 😀 laters
When will there a segment called "stacking it with Steve"
Beautiful industry nine wheels ❤
beautiful vs beutiful
Its a shame the Neuron On Fly is only 140mm and 130mm......it it was at lease 150mm that would be my next buy!!!
Canyon is asleep at the wheel still, its about time they dropped the Derailleur and added the Pinion-style system. In those rocky trails its even more import to ditch it and Raise the Bottom Bracket !
Motor is rattling so loud.. I really don't like this.
Would love to try out a lighter e bike. My Levo is an absolute unit!
I have a Turbo Levo and the gen 2 SL. Different use cases. But roll on lightweight with high torque/power, range and an mgu. 5 years? Need battery tech to advance.
Not sure 2kg is noticeably different. 6kg sure.
When are they making a long travel mid power emtb 170mm travel enduro
I got exactly that 👌
That's what I need too
I’m with Jeremy Clarkson on this matter: POWER You’ll never say you’ve got too much.
"We have the two types of Welsh Mountain sheep. The Black Welsh Mountain and the South Walian Welsh Mountain which is bigger"..... cut to the shot of a Herdwick 🙂Best part of it is that the owner of the Herdwick is my neighbour who is called Steve Jones!
how did bikebrands get around the fact they sell us less for more and yet noone complains?
Why should they "get around" ? I as well don't like all the prices, but I'm completely with business making money.
@@masterJODAz because hopefully people start using their brain ;)
I never understood bikes with range extenders, just get the higher battery life, your not getting the max output from the range extender, and you will wind up needing it anyway.
A light bike without the extender is perfect for after work rides where you not riding miles and miles or if you are riding with analog friends. An extender and accepting the heavier weight is for longer weekend outings on your own or with other e-bikes.
Ohh, you have almost hidden all that rattle.
simple choice: get a Spectral
The thing you dont hear on these videos is the horrendous rattling, my strive on rattles like a bag of spanners. Its the most annoying thing, kills the ride experience, i really wish they would cure this horrific noise.
TQ motors are very quiet because their design is different. They can be scaled up to full power and they will be soon.
I'm a 240lb fatass, testing an Orbea RIse now, with the weaker shimano motor. I gotta use turbo on that for the steep uphills! xD
I have an older Orbea Rise and weigh the same. Highly recommend it, just go with the bigger battery option 👍
Rattling noise from the frame and whirring noise from the motor… disappointing 😮
TQ motors are very quiet because their design is different. They can be scaled up to full power and they will be soon.
@@tonyrobinson1623 please, quantify full power…
Yeah but "light" food alternatives ARE NOT the healthy option, as everyone should know.... I hope!