Trying Hard Control | Vintage Cube Supreme #4
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- A Vintage Cube Supreme draft on MTGO!
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@21:00 "I didn't see anything that scares me." *Opp immediately slams 3 mox and 2 lotus on turn 1*
Mentor trigger tips. Click the Mentor trigger first and all the prowess triggers will just go on the stack. Then make sure you right click yield all. Save you and us A LOT of time.
Seems like you never considered Urza when he showed up twice
I drafted ancient grudge heavily in this format.... hurt a lot of players hahaha.
I'd love to see a stip of no blue, no storm just to see how you do considering your theory of, "assume you are going mono blue."
I think that there should be a rule that you can splash for time walk, it is just too painful to pass.
it's just not an option
@@CalebGannon Then I think I'm done watching and playing this format.
Not every format has to be balanced. The usual vintage legacy and modern formats have consistently been broken for ages, and it still gets views
Jim Davis did that stip yesterday and went 2-1 with a R/B disruption/spells-heavy aggro deck. It relied heavily on turn one thoughtseize, bob, or smuggler's copter
R2G2 No one told Caleb "math is for blockers" is a myth
yeah haha I really thought it was way over lethal, rip
Looks at title: trying hard control
Looks at time stamp: 37 minutes
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This should be interesting.
I think this is the only format where I kinda don’t care who wins cause the ways people win are just broken beyond broken.
Op 2 really had three Mox Emeralds, three Black Lotuses, a Mox Ruby, a Mox Diamond, a Mana Crypt, a Mana Vault, and a Tolarian Academy, huh.
Pretty cool format XD XD XD
It's absolutely insane and I love it
Caleb's video title "trying hard control"
Also Caleb after 20 min "I don't think I have a kill spell..."
While these games can be really interesting due to the crazy stuff that can happen, I think the concept of a supreme draft is flawed. An environment that allows players to get most of what they want every time they draft, and get multiple copies thereof, might as well be constructed. You have little reason to draft anything but the optimal strategy because you will always have access to it. The interesting thing about Cube is that there is only 1 copy of each card and you wont always see a particular one, so you have to make do with what you get. The fact that you will (almost) always have the option to draft blue means that the format becomes one-dimensional quickly, just like regular constructed Vintage.
That said, I'm primarily a viewer. I barely play MTG anymore, so it's totally possible that I'm missing some of the nuance that you experience as a player and because of that, I don't appreciate some of the finer aspects. However, it seems like the format is a lot less interesting when you have access to so much, and the cool cards from Vintage cube that typically define your games are a lot less special and interesting as well.
The change of pace is nice for a minute or two, but I think this format will get stale fast.
The other interesting thing about cube, limited, and even magic in general, is gambling. and supreme draft is really good at hitting that spot.
I'm starting to think that cheap and versatile creature interaction should be considered a bit more for hullbreacher and random nonsense, at least for sideboard options
yeah I was definitely undervaluing it. One bolt goes a long way
I really like control in this format. In my experience, an early Mentor/Geist/Rabblemaster backed up by forces and the blue power spells wins a lot. Since nobody is playing removal, and players will often keep hands that have only 1 or 2 payoff spells, the early threat with protection is usually enough to win.
Not even considering Urza when you saw him twice during draft I feel is a mistake since you already had so many mox.
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harness the power of blueless in this format. Fast mana into bomb with protection seems unbeatable, due to the low amount of removal spells in the format
Then the blue player takes infinite turns
21:07 Nice affinity deck by opponent right there.
It's kinda funny how this format is so insanely degenerate, but that clunky 4 Mana Fae wins games left and right.
Also, the tempo of the editing is really good lately!
The reason expensive countermagic is normally bad is that you have to hold up that mana turn after turn until your opponent decides to let you use your counterspell, which means giving up the opportunity to do other things and potentially falling behind. Glen gets around that problem because you can invest the four mana whenever you want and then you can go back to doing other things with your mana. Your opponent doesn't get a chance to punish your expensive counterspell by making you hold up mana every turn.
i have a questions regarding the first game, why not attack with kozilek the turn after you play him? you would have forced a chump block either by urza or the construct and also limited their mana through the annihilator while having the arch mage back as a basically unkillable blocker for the turn
as always, thanks for the awesome videos, keep up your good work on mtg and weird AI implications
Opponent had a mana crypt that they would have been able to sack for the annihilator trigger. I think caleb thought it was better to give them a chance to die right away rather than guarantee them a turn or two of flipping urza.
@@selkokieli843 He still has to give up 4 cards plus chump block. That's 5 mana if he opts to ditch the mana crypt. Without the last roll on the Urza popping Emrakul does he lose?
I’ve drafted a 3-0 control deck, you really want stuff like Narset and Hullbreacher. My 3-0 had a moderate amount of power, but 3 Narsets that I was often able to play turn 1-2 did the trick. Just being able to hold up counterspells at all times (stuff like pierce and either force really help here) while being able to make powerful plays is what you need to do to survive as control.
I'm not a Vintage expert by any means, but this format seems very similar to that. I think you're underestimating Dark Confidants power, in that in Vintage people are usually happy drawing 1 or 2 cards off of him. Obviously he has his drawbacks, but in the wrong matchup he can be sided out, and in the right one he can draw you like 3 or 4 cards.
I had a friend crazy enough to play Tombstalker and Bob in the same deck. He was a psychopath.
Caleb: *picks up Kozilek to not deck*
*decks first game*
:(
you da man caleb
I'm loving the drafts! maybe we could se you draft mono red sometime?
28:25 is why Maths is indeed for attackers, not for blockers...
Ya I wouldn't even be salty losing to your rd2 opp. His deck was so dope, and that turn 1 vomit my hand was hilarious. This format I'm sure will get old but it's explosive fun atm. Great draft!
Might be wrong here, but couldn't you have sacrificed Glen into blocking the sphinx? And then hope to win another crypt flip?
you can't sac glen into no spells
@@pattoman5568 Thanks, didn't realize that
Did you like it when your opponent had 1 Black Lotus in Vintage Cube?
Now watch as they can get 3 Black Lotus!!
Why doesn't you attack with kozalec?? Aniolator 4 ????
This kinda makes you reflect on what would be Vintage without the restriced list
Imagine how the blue mirror would go. Turn 1 mox, mox, mox, lotus, chalice of the void. You can't play moxen, good luck with 24 dead cards and no mana.
@@davidwillis7991 isn't that already the case sometimes?
It also makes Timetwister a literal Power, since I don't consider it as powerful in Magic's current state unless Moxens and Lotus is unrestricted.
@@clargoon all 5 of those cards are restricted and most lists can't run too many of the unrestricted 0 mana cards because lotus petal and mox diamond aren't as good as the proper moxen
This format feels like if casual decks were made if power was still printed.
Opponent timetwister'd the hullbreacher back
If you put the “create a new monk token” trigger on first then the rest will auto order since they’re all the same. Just a little qol thing.
5:33 "is this a fallen shinobi deck"
Well if you took that Baleful Strix in the last pack...
wow 3 black lotus on that 2nd opponent
Vintage cube supreme and only 37 minutes? This format is really fast
I finished a draft in 15min, went all in on aggro and som hatecards. Went 2-0 all games, sure counter my 1 or 2 mana spell haha.
Wow, that Hull Breacher card looks silly. much like 3-feri or narset?
Doesn't look fun AT ALL to play with/against.
restriction in vintage seems likely, not sure 3 drops that make 1 mana cantrips silly are good enough to ban in legacy
I find it funny how in this cube like 50% of the cards no play
i really want to see a caleb draft a Krark Stip deck
This is just an idea, but what if you made a deck with like: fast bond, courser, a bunch of draw 7s and upheaval. You could in theory net mana off of your upheavals.
it could work, the issue is that its just worse than hullbreacher draw 7s lol. Hullbreacher is such a dumb card
I would have for sure attacked with kozilek there. Would have been simply gg. They lose minimum of 6 mana
How the hell the opponent in round 2 had 3 LOTUSES!
Didn't say anything about the strip mine....
I think the only issue with format is Hullbreacher
the format could really use red/pyroblast. That would help so much
Is this like “hard control you’re trying out”, or “tryhard control”? 😂
NOOOO YOU COULD HAVE SACED HLEN AND SHE WOULD HAVE COME BACK UNTAPPED SO YOU COULD HAVE BLOCKED!!!! (also really awesome deck but NOOOOOO) 28:40
you need a target to sac glen. I should have just not attacked with her
SO MUCH disrespect displayed here for a turn 1 suboptimal mind twist.
Become one with the Hymn Caleb. Let it Hymns flow easy and often lol.
This format is so ridiculous!
lmao just do the math its elementary school tier, why swing in without it ?
Regardless, loving these, keep them coming please^^
super short video.. i'm scared
I just paid to play this format and hit no power in 18 packs
that is.. unfortunate. I've come pretty close but actual zero is absurd
just got the 7 mox, 2 crypt academy deck xD this format is so dumb
This format is miserable. You don't actually get to do anything, you either make the most optimal plays or lose.
I genuinely don't understand this sentiment. Have you been watching any of my games? The gameplay has been really interesting and interactive. Sure there is an occasional non game but thats true in regular magic too, these just end faster
@@CalebGannon Just reciting what LSV said because people literally can't think for themselves.
LSV doesn't like this format? that actually does explain a lot. I think the format is great for a short period of time, but I don't like supreme draft in general. If there was a regular draft format that could be this high powered I would love it. Like vintage cube with 4 packs where the first pack is all power.
@@CalebGannon LSV don't like it cause he feels like it's more sealed than draft which makes sense, I personally like it all the games are interesting, it's like a throwback to how Magic was played when people can have multiple Moxens and Lotuses but now have better finishers than Serra Angels or Juzam Djinns, if people actually played Legacy or Vintage there are always non-games even Modern has Neoform it is part of the game, aside from luck in the packs choosing the right cards like passing a Mox in a 2 Moxen pack to pick FOW for example is key to win some games, yeah it is broken but interesting and fun to watch tbh, maybe the only format where you can play multiple Moxens, Recalls, Time Walks and Lotuses.
Saying the word fof isn't cool. It's fact or fiction. That irritated me so bad I had to stop watching. 😢
Lmfao someone got triggered