Japanese Army Carriers
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Akitsu Maru (あきつ丸) was a Japanese landing craft depot ship and escort aircraft carrier operated by the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA). In some sources Akitsu Maru and her sister ship Nigitsu Maru (にぎつ丸) are also considered to be the first amphibious assault ships.
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Love studying German U-Boat and Japanese I-19 submarine
IJA and IJN never lost sight of the true enemy, each other.
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that is truly hilarious lol
Just when I thought the rivalry between the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy couldn't get any more insane...
Wait until you hear about the Japanese Army submarines…
If they had an additional separate air force and marine corps, maybe they would have destroyed themselves halfway to Pearl Harbour and no Pacific War.
@@keithw4920 The Japanese Navy got rid of their “marine” corps in 1876.
They had hundreds of thousands of “sailors” in the Navy Special Landing Forces however (that’s the corp behind the Rape of Manila). Their Tank companies gave Allied forces some “difficulties”.
Even the ordnance werent compatible between two services… Admiral Yamamoto almost got whacked by Army zealots.
That has been the single most shocking datum in my study of the war in Pacific.
Number two was discovering that this rivalry was generational. The rival factions had been assassinating each other’s government representatives, or trying to, since the 1920s.
Certain cues lead me to wonder whether and to what degree this antagonism has persisted since the war. Given their history, I think it almost certain that it HAS.
The IJA had carriers because the Navy refused to share theirs. If they hadn't gone to war with the allies, the IJA and IJN would have gone to war with each other.
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The U.S. and U.K. also have naval infantry, often referred to as Marines.
The Japanese Naval Infantry were in fact sailors. Even wore sailor uniforms, thus NOT a separate Marine Corps.
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I think the Soviets and now Russians also have actual naval infantry too. I know naval infantry fought on the Caucasus Black Sea coast in WW2 and stopped the German coastal advance.
The U.S. had naval infantry that weren't marines. Battleships at the time was expected to provide around 150+ naval infantry in the form of sailors (who weren't marines) who on top of their normal duties on the ship were expected to form a rifle platoon for landing parties. Cruisers and destroyers were expected to do the same but with smaller landing parties. I'm sure the U.K. had something similar.
@@tyronemarcucci8395they special landing force ain't ship sailor tho and asian and Russia call our marine naval infantry btw
The Japanese were forward thinking with a aircraft carrier/landing craft carrier. I've never heard of these ships. Well done presentation.
The Japanese invented jungle warfare as well.
No, they didn't
@@harryhanz1690 yes, they did.
@@jeffpotipco736No they didn't, Jungle warfare existef long before in Asia
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I read Saburu Sakai's biography and I distinctly remember his scorn and superiority over the Army officer corps. He said the main difference between an Army officer and a Navy officer was the Navy officer would quietly and peacefully get drunk in his cabin whereas the Army officer would get drunk and assault his subordinates.
Is that worth a read?
@@HiddenHistoryYT yes, I read it 50 years ago in High School. You get a very good exposition of the Japanese warrior training and mindset. The Japanese pilots were as highly trained as the Samurai of the 1600's and that is one reason why they were unable to train replacement pilots. The training was physically and mentally taxing.
Even though he was an enemy, you wanted him to survive.
@@sjb3460 cool thanks, just ordered it!
Hey, if Herman Göring can have Luftwaffe Panzer Division, Japan can have an Army aircraft carrier! 😂
Lmao
How did the Luftwaffe have a panzer division? Was it a airborne tank division for paratroopers?
@@Kishanth.J it was called; Fallschirm-Panzer Division Hermann Göring and it was common in ww2 to have gliders carry small light tanks, anti-tank guns etc. alongside the paratroopers. Allied did the same during D-day.
Me, reading this comment (while don't know much detail about it be like) "Oh, okay, herman goring, isn't he a high ranking aircraft officer? I knew it, luftwaffe. panzer? Cool....wait, what? U mean pilot maning an army combat vehicle or what???
@@gawkthimm6030 Except in the case of the Allies, those airborne infantry units were part of the army. As was the air force in the case of the US.
Autogyros are not helicopters. They're rotary winged aircraft, but they can't take off or land vertically; the power is in the front propeller, not the vertical rotors. Helicopters require only a landing pad, but autogyros require a runway or flight deck just like fixed wing aircraft.
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love it they fininished a carrier that wold sink submarines but it got sunk by submarines the ironi
Any ship can be a submarine. Once.
But it takes more effort to make a submarine an aircraft carrier…
@@allangibson8494 Which is something they also did. Mind you, they carried float planes. I-25 used her floatplane to bomb the US mainland during the war. However, the damage was minimal
The I-400's was meant to bomb Panama Canal and attack the US West Coast, but the war ended before that could happen.
@@UchihaPercy Not a few either - dozens.
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Absolutely classic between the army and navy
The American Army had a lot of ships too. One thing they had - were floating Barracks Ships. They could sail the ship to where ever they wanted - and have instant accommodations for their personnel.
There were others but I don't remember what they did.
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The Army has a small fleet of tugs and various sizes of landing craft at Ft.Eustis,Va- down the road from Williamsburg.
Floating ice cream barges too
When I was in the service 40 years ago, the air force had the most land area in their bases, the army had the most water craft, and the navy had the most planes.
@@mikearmstrong8483 I heard the same thing- later someone explained that the Navy counts commissioned warships, and the Army is counting lifejackets and larger.
The video calls an autogyro a helicopter. They are a different machine.
After a screw up like that I wouldn't be surpised if the next video was about a pawn shop or ancient aliens.
If you watched you'd know they did indeed call it an autogyro.
@@nastybastardatlive I did watch, but, they repeatedly called the ships that carried them the first to carry helicopters. This is incorrect.
Thanks Stephen
He said it was a type of early helicopter. Aka type not being an actual helicopter. I subscribed thanks to your ignorance.
The Rivalry between Japanese Army and Navy apparently came from the two men who officially started the Army and Navy being rival clans from the samurai era, hence why they hated each other so much, maybe if they were both from the same clan they wouldn’t have had so much conflict within each other and worked together.
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The us army also had its own "navy" called the transport corps during ww2.
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The Imperial Army attempted taking Siberia. However they were soundly defeated by the Red Army. After that the military government decided fighting the British and Americans would be easier
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Honestly should have stuck to fighting the soviets with the Germans.
@@chrisx2953 The irony is that they actually didn't need to fight at all. All the oil they needed was actually already within the territory they controlled in Manchuria but from my understanding, the technology to access them didn't become available until the 1950's. If the Japanese had sucked up the sanctions and behaved for a decade or so, they might have still be an empire.
Can you imagine, if they worked closer with Germany and attacked the Soviet union together? Shudder!
The only reason the Germans failed to get Moscow, was because of the release and arrival of the siberian reserves. Freed up by a treaty signed by Japan and the Soviet union.
I am surprised that IJA and IJN carriers did not launch airstrikes against each other. I can see the IJA employing carriers to deploy their fighter aircraft to distant bases. The csrrier could get to within ferry range of the destination and launch. The Navy carriers were likely tied up with other duties. The USAAF also launched fighter aircraft from carriers on different occasions.
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Incredible story. Thanks for bringing the matter to our attention.
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All those years of watching The Simpson's have led to some unexpected consequences. One of which is the fact that I cannot hear the word auto gyro without thinking of that famous line of Mr. Burns. lol
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Super interesting. I heard about the Japanese Army aircraft carriers but never saw a picture of them.
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I have been a buff of WW II for a long time, especially the Pacific war and the Japanese and American navies and I had never before hear of these ships. So I learned something new. I knew Japan had specialized landing ships early in the war, but not that they had these "carrier"/assault ships.
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A tiny note: the kabaya ka2 are not helicopters, but autogyros ... your video is really splendid, I didn't know that aircraft carriers were three. 👍
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I’m pretty sure every country has inner service rivalry. I know we have it in the U.S. but I’ll do whatever it takes to save a Marine, sailor or airman. After all we are fighting for the same country! I salute all fighting men and women 🫡
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7:50 I really want them to add early helicopters and autogyros to war thunder, I feel like I keep learning how they played more of a role in ww2 than is understood
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@@HiddenHistoryYT Cheers, thanks for the great week. War thunder is most fun at the low battle ratings and era's so I think the interactions would be interesting. I do like bringing the swordfish bomber even to later eras because it goes the same speed as helicopter basically
Thanks for your work. I knew that Army carriers existed, but no elaboration at all.
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Very interesting! I'd never heard of these ships nor the Japanese helos
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Fascinating…👍
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@@HiddenHistoryYT Thank you for the video…and 🙏 👍
I the IJN also built and deployed their own tanks.
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*slaps hull of IJA carrier
"This bad boy can fit so many war crimes in it."
*slaps helmet of naval infantryman and points at the massacre of Manila
"So can these bad boys."
*for context: The massacre of Manila occurred because the Naval detachment decided to ignore army Gen. Yamashita's orders to withdraw to a more defensible position in the mountains north of the city. The naval detachment predictably got cut off by the allies and decided to take out their meth-fueled frustrations on the local populace resulting in pillaging on a scale that is second only to Nanjing in the Pacific Theatre. To add insult to injury, the allies blamed the massacre on Gen. Yamashita and executed him after the war.
Imperial Japanese military: "We don't have a lot of resources."
Also Imperial Japanese military: "Let's have competing manufacturing projects!"
Well hunh. You learn something new every day. I'll send a couple of bucks your way because I learned something new.
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I gotta say, they were way ahead of their time on this one. That’s an amphibious assault ship. Same concept as the current US Wasp class. Every major navy in the world operates ships like it these days.
NEVRR put an 's' on the end of craft. Craft, as in Landing craft, aircraft, spacraft, etc. are at once both singular and plural.
My guy👍👍
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Interesting piece on an aspect of the conflict not often addressed.
To the narrator: It’s “landing CRAFT” (collective plural), not landing CRAFTS. It’s the same as “aircraft”-never with an “s.”
I want to thank you for being an important source of information during the early phase of my study of the naval war in the Pacific. Any suggestions I offer are in the interest of improving an already fine product!
R.
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I guess the Japanese took inter-service rivalry to the extreme. 😆
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All branches want autonomy, they hate depending on each other.
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autogryros are not really helicopters despite the outward similarity. But slow airplanes with a smaller prop on the front connected to an engine (like a normal prop plane) to push it forward and large prop on the top connected to NO engine that passively spun as it moved forward to give the craft lift the way the fixed wings give a plane lift. But they have some of the same advantages for recon and anti sub that helicopters do ... where speed is not paramount. Helicopters, autogyros, and even dirigibles, can outrun even a modern nuclear powered sub.
These weren't aircraft carriers they were Maru class ships that could launch aircraft. However they were transport assault ships 1st, aircraft 2nd.
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It's really absurd that, with dwindling resources also before the war had started, both Army and Navy wasted precious resources in petty squabbles. I could only imagine that , without a common enemy, they would've started, in one way or another, a civil war as in the Sengoku era, with admirals and generals in place of local daimyos.
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There was a time when the US Army had more boats than the US Navy...
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Anything can be a carrier.
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There is duplication of effort.
Then there is: "F&CK YOUUUUUU!!! I Hate you and I'm going to make my own toys to play with, Nyaaah!"
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So basically, it was a fancy air craft taxi ship.
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We need a movie about IJA navy lmao
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They even had their separated nuclear programs
Maru means ship The Kobayashi Maru! Star Trek novel, by Julia Ecklar. How do you cope with a hopeless situation?
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What next? Imperial japanese navy tank?
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Use the word 'destroyed', not decimated.
Concur.
Decimated is only 10% destroyed.
His usage of the term is in line with modern English usage so its fine, we're not living in the Roman Empire anymore.
Let's not redefine English words.
Even if some mis use them.
@@dannybryant6873 The reality is that English is constantly being redefined, thats why our English is significantly different from Shakespeare's English which in turn was significantly different from Chaucer's English. 'Misuse' is one word btw
I have hitherto not know that Japan operated rotary wing aircraft during WWII.
BANZAI BANZAI BANZAI 🇯🇵
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1:45
Those pictures came from model kits.
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I'm i dumb for thinking they should have made ship like catamaran boats to protect from torpedos?
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That wouldn't help much since submarines usually fired broad side and a catamaran hull that size would be nearly impossible to maneuver.
That was the problem of the entire concept. They could build carriers, but not escorts for them, so their demise at the hands of USN submarines was practically a foregone conclusion.
Strained relations? They hated each other!
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So if the army got it's way, The Soviet Union could have been facing a war on two fronts and not being at war with the Western allies...
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Is there a reason why there's some sort of Watermark present throughout the entire fracking video? Talk about distracting
It’s not my watermark !!
What's ARMY Sea corps uniform. these 'sailors' wear 'soldiers' garments and not 'sailors' ??
"intensified their assault"
Wait, whaaat?
So, what you're saying here is that the USN submarine force was attacking Japanese forces BEFORE THE WAR STARTED?!?
Not that it would surprise me if true, but i THINK you should look at your wording a wee bit more.
“Dismantlement”?
Yank speech. Right up there with 'normalcy', apostrophes in plurals and much other mangling of the English language.
@@EllieMaes-Grandad I’m a yank and would never… scrapped, broken up yes… dismantlement? Never
The Empire of Japan: Unmatched in its arrogance.
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That Critical Past watermark is too large and positioned too obtrusively for me to watch this. Great for those who can, but I'm moving on.
Sorry, not my watermark!!
IJN: *Making tanks putting an anchor on the front*
IJA: *Making their own ships
Btw IJA has more brain than ijn coz the IJN still glorifying battleships instead of carriers
But IJA have the opposite😂
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What about Kobayashi Maru🤪?
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Autogyros are not helicopters.
The IJA had to more than often escort thei own convoys. There was one incident where the Japanese navy intercepted chatter between subs of a lurking section attack(what the US called wolfpacks in doctrine) and rather than warn the Army convoy the IJN let the US subs have their way with the convoy. Hilarious. Petty. Stupid. Even at Saipan General Saito disobeyed Nagumo's orders because he had too much pride ti take orders from an Admiral, deapite Tokyo giving Nagumo command of the garrison. The result? Peacemeal assults and uncoordinated efforts. The Japanese failed to receive the memo that the object of a war was to win it. The Japanese also embarked their rare autogyros on one of these Army carriers. 20 of them. That carrier was sunk by submarine.
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Stupid watermarking ruins what might have been a reasonable production.
Sorry mate, it’s not my watermark
@@HiddenHistoryYT Yeah. Saddled by the source. They really didn't do themselves any favors and I would imagine a lot of the time footage is very hard to come by at all. Interesting subject none the less.
Do you want to have me read from Wikipedia thin listen to this video
This documentary needs a lot of re-work. Not good enough
Ok haha
Really stretches the definition of "aircraft carrier" beyond all recognition, doesn't it?
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The plural of craft, is craft. It's crafts when you're talking about arts and crafts for example. Not vessels or aircraft etc.
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The IJA had Their own 'Jeep' Carriers for Anti-Submarine Warfare
And What Happened? THEY WERE SUNK BY AMERICAN SUBMARINES!😂😂😂😂
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What you always want in an existential crisis. Internal conflict that helps lead to the downfall of your country.
Starts at 2:40
The narrator does not know the plural of craft.
It's "craft" in this context . . . . but then 'arts & crafts' is about other things.
Ha
Your mom is an autogyro! 😂😂😂
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@@HiddenHistoryYT Sorry bud, I'm just being silly.