Bring in the lawn chairs. That's a bit too much standing up for my tired bones. You have my respect, I can't stand up that many hours. Glad you kept an eye on it, and burnt off some of the brush. Grass comes in, and the cycle repeats. Nice that everyone is safe. Sometimes the wise and prudent action doesn't satisfy the looky loos. But the old guys know how it's done.
The little kid backing up the nozzleman is the most adorable thing I've seen in a long time! That's cool the Jr's had a chance to get some experience :)
It occurred to me that it would be better in the long run to let it burn and just control the perimeter and maybe that's the conclusion they came to as well. If that ground had been subject to controlled and managed burns before it got so badly overgrown this would never have happened.
i agree with firebrigade101, but im not going to sit here and talk bout what they did or didnt do or what could have been better, but it sure wasnt a pretty effort 1 i would have handled this fire ALOT different but here in texas where i live were under the constant threat of a multi thousand acre fire breaking out at any time and we dont mess around when one comes in, we pool resources and kick ass ! remember.... ALWAYS ATTACK FROM THE BLACK ! stay safe bros !
Here we fight wildland fires aggressively. We throw everything we got onto it while it's small. It usually works. Fire lines are built and water tankers used when structures are threatened, the fire has reached blow up stage early or inaccessibility.
Considering the fact this is "marshland" (basically), they made the right call to just let it burn and control the perimeter...HOWEVER, the general public doesn't understand this strategy. At the risk of sounding like an armchair quarterback, I must say I think they could have at least made it LOOK like they were making significant EFFORT to EXTINGUISH the fire... at least the fire they could access with handlines, deluge sets and perhaps a couple aerial apparatus, but there awwmwd ro be no sense of urgency to extinguish the fire. There was obviously no water shortage... I was very glad that NONE of my "brothers" were injured in this incident...
An aerial appliance and a couple of gang trucks could have this fire sorted out in no time, but given these departments are way more used to structural fires and it’s a swampy area I’d say they did a great job.
Ok clearly none of the departments in this video have brush trucks. That big of a field would of at least took a minimum of 6 brush trucks. Which in both video I saw not one brush truck. Good call on doing a controlled burn. Honestly for the equipment I saw doing a defensive attack honestly was the best option.
I know this was years ago an my comment is way late.But hats off to the Garfield fire dept the only ones who even made an effort brush trucks or not the rest of them need to just go home.An as for the others those hi dollar fire trucks are not meant for driving around so you can play with the siren an then when you get to a fire just stand around an say Ahhhhh what we do know Ahhhhh!!Remind me not to move there to that town.Oh that's right I can just call the Garfield fire dept they will know what to do!!
The so called firefighters were so relaxed and could not be bothered to do anything. I was surprised they did not get the mashmollows out and really enjoy their get together.
They made the right call let it burn if land management would have been used this would of never happened. You treat it like a controlled burn burn off the field and you wont have to worry about coming back for the rest of the field latter. All in all strong work by all crews for making the RIGHT decission. All you CZcams firefighters need to leave the firefighting to the pros.
Whats scary is they have more equipment then my city does. The city is to damn broke to help our fire stations. Six of them already closed another 3 are in danger of their funding getting cut. Yeah the city can build useless hotels, a new stadium but cant afford to help the most important things in our community.
The suburbs DO tend to have a lot of equipment, sometimes TOO MUCH equipment. Always have to outdo the neighbors. Where I live, (Cheektowaga, NY, a suburb of Buffalo) in a 7 by 5-mile town, we have 13 fire halls, 35 engines, 10 aerial apparatus, 10 heavy rescues, 11 light rescues, 8 pickup trucks, and over 35 chiefs. We don't even have enough firefighters to fill every seat on every apparatus. The city of Buffalo (career firefighters) run with 19 engines, 9 ladders, 1 heavy rescue, and 7 chiefs at any given time, with call-ins available.
or let it burn , as others were also saying , and protect the structures , thus lessening the chance of another fire like this happening . then , whoevers jurisdiction this is can better manage it from now on . no need to risk broken bones or other injuries or even loss of equipment
Unplanned controlled burn. I guess that open field is some sort of marsh and it has been building up fuel for a really long time by the looks of it. Could have been way worse, maybe they need to make a bit more of a plan for this sort of fire if they have more of these potential situations. A gust of wind could have made this a real bad one.
The deluge guns were the right idea just couldn't get close enough. If it was me I would have had a couple of lines on the roof of the building fight the fire back.
Then I guess this is good opportunity for training for them all isn't it? Lighten up a little. With what they had they did good. It's always easy to Monday quarterback it.
They seem to be doing an excellent job of handling the situation. Let the marsh burn and protect the exposed buildings from the edge on dry land. This is a salt marsh, so no vehicles are going to be driving out their. There big differences between east and west coast.
one question...why would you risk anyone or anything to fight this? its doing no harm so they let it burn. It burns like every 5 years anyway so by now yes they do know what theyre doing.
I get letting it burn and taking a defensive stance - especially since the proper equipment isn't deployed but there is way too little effort going on. For that many companies and personnel there should be a lot more water being sprayed on the fire, especially in the 2nd part. Where is the Class A foam? You could bring in the USFS but couldn't arrange for an air drop? The USFS doesn't have brush trucks over there? Defensive or not, had the departments been on top of this from the beginning it wouldn't have become as large as it did towards the end nor would it have been as threatening. I am curious as to what kind of grass that was - that burned really intense. No injuries and no property damaged, ultimately a successful job by the companies.
+Mike L probably had some old fuel or something else in the grass i heard some pop of live ammo in there so something is in that grass they are not wanting the trucks in
they should contain the fire and have some one with a tractor with a disk in the field to run over wear it has byrnt already to make sure the fire is out. and go threw thefield with a tanker truck spraying the hot spots. that is what i have done before with a field fire
I am not a FF but have taken CERT classes including Incident Command. And what I see here personally, with the lack of 1st Alarm Brush response is completely unreal. What one would do is call for a Mutual Aid 2 Alarm Brush Response (Pumper, Tender/Tanker/Water Supply, Aircraft), which I would think in NJ or surrounding area they do have. Use what you have for defensive posture, including (and call Mutual Aid, because I'm sure in NJ they have such things...or are they still in the 20th century), Class A Foam tender) to keep things from spreading, and then move your brush response in for knock down, overhaul with hand tools and Indian cans. However to let this burn like it did, is an invitation for a gust of wind to injure many fire fighters needlessly and threaten other life or property in its wake...and if there is one thing as a NWS weather spotter will tell you, the wind does pop up with little warning...and in this situation...would be a ticket to a disaster.
..and take the risk of injury for what?? They did right, let it burn and control the perimeter. There is nothing there worth the risk of injury. Sometimes better to use your brains than your muscles.
All I can Say is My Crews would be on this like stink on Poo...It's a real waste of resources and man power to stand around doing minimal ...the least the district could do is release some of the rigs and keep a few monitoring/suppression where needed.
Tippman76 it would catch fire and possibly explode giveing more fuel to the fire obviously b its useless to doze a fire like this they obviously have different equipment than here fl where wild fires n brush fires r very common year round this year we had several very bad ones that burned but we r equipped with the proper equipment to put these types of fire out some place dont have that
Air tankers are essentially unheard of on the US East Coast. This is a salt/brackish marsh in Northern New Jersey, just north of Newark, and across the Hudson from Manhattan. Except for this huge marsh, the rest of the city is urban.
I just hope all those goobers are volunteers on their own time because if any of them are being paid to be firemen, somebody is getting screwed to their knees........
If it's a 'controlled burn' why did the OP say it's a multiple alarm brush fire. And if it is what a waste of manpower, equipment, and most of all taxpayer dollars. No wonder tax payers complain about the expense of supporting fire departments.
they could of got a little closer so the water can hit the fire. oh boy its really blazing now. why do they need so many firefighters? if they are going to just stand around?
Because this kind of fire does no damage. Position your equipment to protect structures or agricultural crops, start backfires if need be where they can be controlled easily to protect structures, etc. Then just wait until the fire gets close enough to "calm it down" and let it burn itself out. By the looks of the smoke coming off this mess, it hadn't burned off for a long time. Actually, these areas need to be burned off on some kind of scheduled basis to keep the fuel load from becoming too large. Incidentally, straight or solid streams directed at the base of the flame column work best, as penetration is needed. The dead grass sheds water just like thatched roofs on houses and sheds do where they are used.
Do you know how tiring that really is? I would've been taking a break too. Yes we joke around when we break why not? I'm a fire fighter personally and we do a lot. Have some respect you'll talk trash until your trapped inside a vehicle or burning building then our sirens will be like angels to your ears.
kyle chaney Don't sweat it, a lot of people can't understand that sometimes work requires that you pace yourself. They're used to the idea that 100% of firefighting involves running around with heavy gear 100% of the time up until the point the fire's out.
Bring in the lawn chairs. That's a bit too much standing up for my tired bones. You have my respect, I can't stand up that many hours. Glad you kept an eye on it, and burnt off some of the brush. Grass comes in, and the cycle repeats. Nice that everyone is safe. Sometimes the wise and prudent action doesn't satisfy the looky loos. But the old guys know how it's done.
The little kid backing up the nozzleman is the most adorable thing I've seen in a long time! That's cool the Jr's had a chance to get some experience :)
It occurred to me that it would be better in the long run to let it burn and just control the perimeter and maybe that's the conclusion they came to as well. If that ground had been subject to controlled and managed burns before it got so badly overgrown this would never have happened.
i agree with firebrigade101, but im not going to sit here and talk bout what they did or didnt do or what could have been better, but it sure wasnt a pretty effort 1 i would have handled this fire ALOT different but here in texas where i live were under the constant threat of a multi thousand acre fire breaking out at any time and we dont mess around when one comes in, we pool resources and kick ass ! remember.... ALWAYS ATTACK FROM THE BLACK ! stay safe bros !
Here we fight wildland fires aggressively. We throw everything we got onto it while it's small. It usually works. Fire lines are built and water tankers used when structures are threatened, the fire has reached blow up stage early or inaccessibility.
They let it burn on purpose. That's quite obvious. They are protecting the perimeter.
Hard to fight a fire in a swamp!
good way to get rid of ticks
john6218att Yes it is
Considering the fact this is "marshland" (basically), they made the right call to just let it burn and control the perimeter...HOWEVER, the general public doesn't understand this strategy. At the risk of sounding like an armchair quarterback, I must say I think they could have at least made it LOOK like they were making significant EFFORT to EXTINGUISH the fire... at least the fire they could access with handlines, deluge sets and perhaps a couple aerial apparatus, but there awwmwd ro be no sense of urgency to extinguish the fire. There was obviously no water shortage...
I was very glad that NONE of my "brothers" were injured in this incident...
It's pretty obvious they're letting it burn. Who would watch this and think they're actually trying to put it out?
An aerial appliance and a couple of gang trucks could have this fire sorted out in no time, but given these departments are way more used to structural fires and it’s a swampy area I’d say they did a great job.
Ok clearly none of the departments in this video have brush trucks. That big of a field would of at least took a minimum of 6 brush trucks. Which in both video I saw not one brush truck. Good call on doing a controlled burn. Honestly for the equipment I saw doing a defensive attack honestly was the best option.
it's a multiple-alarm due to the number of companies needed to respond
It's a salt marsh. They aren't going to be driving any sort of truck out on it.
It's in the edge of the city in NJ on the east coast they don't have any brush trucks or air support from above
I know this was years ago an my comment is way late.But hats off to the Garfield fire dept the only ones who even made an effort brush trucks or not the rest of them need to just go home.An as for the others those hi dollar fire trucks are not meant for driving around so you can play with the siren an then when you get to a fire just stand around an say Ahhhhh what we do know Ahhhhh!!Remind me not to move there to that town.Oh that's right I can just call the Garfield fire dept they will know what to do!!
The so called firefighters were so relaxed and could not be bothered to do anything. I was surprised they did not get the mashmollows out and really enjoy their get together.
They made the right call let it burn if land management would have been used this would of never happened. You treat it like a controlled burn burn off the field and you wont have to worry about coming back for the rest of the field latter. All in all strong work by all crews for making the RIGHT decission. All you CZcams firefighters need to leave the firefighting to the pros.
You have the best coverage of the fire out of everyone. A job well done.
Whats scary is they have more equipment then my city does. The city is to damn broke to help our fire stations. Six of them already closed another 3 are in danger of their funding getting cut. Yeah the city can build useless hotels, a new stadium but cant afford to help the most important things in our community.
deathtravisable sad
Are you in Moncton? 😂
Sounds like Moncton. Lol
Shit we have to beg just to keep a working engine. It's sad.
The suburbs DO tend to have a lot of equipment, sometimes TOO MUCH equipment. Always have to outdo the neighbors. Where I live, (Cheektowaga, NY, a suburb of Buffalo) in a 7 by 5-mile town, we have 13 fire halls, 35 engines, 10 aerial apparatus, 10 heavy rescues, 11 light rescues, 8 pickup trucks, and over 35 chiefs. We don't even have enough firefighters to fill every seat on every apparatus. The city of Buffalo (career firefighters) run with 19 engines, 9 ladders, 1 heavy rescue, and 7 chiefs at any given time, with call-ins available.
or let it burn , as others were also saying , and protect the structures , thus lessening the chance of another fire like this happening . then , whoevers jurisdiction this is can better manage it from now on . no need to risk broken bones or other injuries or even loss of equipment
Use a master stream and put the fire out...
so did they start a controlled burn to take away the fuel of the original fire?
great filming! keep up the great work
Unplanned controlled burn. I guess that open field is some sort of marsh and it has been building up fuel for a really long time by the looks of it. Could have been way worse, maybe they need to make a bit more of a plan for this sort of fire if they have more of these potential situations. A gust of wind could have made this a real bad one.
The deluge guns were the right idea just couldn't get close enough. If it was me I would have had a couple of lines on the roof of the building fight the fire back.
Look at all the youtube haters, sitting around talking shit- as usual. Grow up...
I work for cal fire. Theses guy have no idea what there doing. They don't even have the right equipment to fight theses kinds of fires.
Then I guess this is good opportunity for training for them all isn't it? Lighten up a little. With what they had they did good. It's always easy to Monday quarterback it.
They seem to be doing an excellent job of handling the situation. Let the marsh burn and protect the exposed buildings from the edge on dry land. This is a salt marsh, so no vehicles are going to be driving out their. There big differences between east and west coast.
These guys are equipped to fight structure fires not brush fires. But they are doing the best they can with what they got so shaddup...
Those who brag about having 5-inch hoses don't know how to put out a small lawn. Each man takes up a shovel.
one question...why would you risk anyone or anything to fight this? its doing no harm so they let it burn. It burns like every 5 years anyway so by now yes they do know what theyre doing.
Great footage!
How much water do you guys carry on the appliance? We carry 3500ltrs.
Protect exposures. Let it burn. It is healthier for the marsh.
Oh look a hose! What is that for?
NJ is the only state in the US where all it's counties are classified as urban.
call in the dozers
at least the forest service does lol
Ya they let the trash burn
some pre burning would have done the trick.come on they should know that
Be safe
I get letting it burn and taking a defensive stance - especially since the proper equipment isn't deployed but there is way too little effort going on. For that many companies and personnel there should be a lot more water being sprayed on the fire, especially in the 2nd part. Where is the Class A foam? You could bring in the USFS but couldn't arrange for an air drop? The USFS doesn't have brush trucks over there? Defensive or not, had the departments been on top of this from the beginning it wouldn't have become as large as it did towards the end nor would it have been as threatening. I am curious as to what kind of grass that was - that burned really intense. No injuries and no property damaged, ultimately a successful job by the companies.
+Mike L probably had some old fuel or something else in the grass i heard some pop of live ammo in there so something is in that grass they are not wanting the trucks in
they should contain the fire and have some one with a tractor with a disk in the field to run over wear it has byrnt already to make sure the fire is out. and go threw thefield with a tanker truck spraying the hot spots. that is what i have done before with a field fire
I see in the 2 of 2 they have a small hot shot team there for the wild fire that needs to burn all the trash off
Whos tanker is at 13:13
Rutherford fire department
I am not a FF but have taken CERT classes including Incident Command. And what I see here personally, with the lack of 1st Alarm Brush response is completely unreal. What one would do is call for a Mutual Aid 2 Alarm Brush Response (Pumper, Tender/Tanker/Water Supply, Aircraft), which I would think in NJ or surrounding area they do have. Use what you have for defensive posture, including (and call Mutual Aid, because I'm sure in NJ they have such things...or are they still in the 20th century), Class A Foam tender) to keep things from spreading, and then move your brush response in for knock down, overhaul with hand tools and Indian cans.
However to let this burn like it did, is an invitation for a gust of wind to injure many fire fighters needlessly and threaten other life or property in its wake...and if there is one thing as a NWS weather spotter will tell you, the wind does pop up with little warning...and in this situation...would be a ticket to a disaster.
Clusterfuck NJ Fire Dept. Nice Job!
That look like it's spreading
Need to teach them how to back burn
..and take the risk of injury for what?? They did right, let it burn and control the perimeter. There is nothing there worth the risk of injury. Sometimes better to use your brains than your muscles.
hell on earth.
intervention pour une réunion .
All I can Say is My Crews would be on this like stink on Poo...It's a real waste of resources and man power to stand around doing minimal ...the least the district could do is release some of the rigs and keep a few monitoring/suppression where needed.
Why you don't use a bulldozer or a Superscooper like CL415 ?
Tippman76 it would catch fire and possibly explode giveing more fuel to the fire obviously b its useless to doze a fire like this they obviously have different equipment than here fl where wild fires n brush fires r very common year round this year we had several very bad ones that burned but we r equipped with the proper equipment to put these types of fire out some place dont have that
with all those trucks, everyone should have a hose in their hand.
they were not even trying to put the fire out.
That was an ugly fire in difficult terrain and high wind. They actually did fairly well.
Wow. just......wow.
Does anyone there know what they are doing?
Obviously not. They seem to think watering the grass is a better use for water than putting out the fire.
bloody hell all my days
where is their air support,
+Curt Miller probably don't have i live in NC and we have many brush fires so much every station has to have a brush truck and we have one heli
Air tankers are essentially unheard of on the US East Coast. This is a salt/brackish marsh in Northern New Jersey, just north of Newark, and across the Hudson from Manhattan. Except for this huge marsh, the rest of the city is urban.
I just hope all those goobers are volunteers on their own time because if any of them are being paid to be firemen, somebody is getting screwed to their knees........
rico334 they don't have the right equipment to fight this kind of fire
u did not hear the pops in this? Live amunition going off. NJFF is on location.
I heard a pop several times. However if they had brought in the foam, that likely would NOT have happened.
should have burned it all out, have drip torch will travel !!!
If it's a 'controlled burn' why did the OP say it's a multiple alarm brush fire. And if it is what a waste of manpower, equipment, and most of all taxpayer dollars. No wonder tax payers complain about the expense of supporting fire departments.
they could of got a little closer so the water can hit the fire. oh boy its really blazing now. why do they need so many firefighters? if they are going to just stand around?
+Regina Bundy Because noone cares if grass in in fire, they are there to protect the houses ;)
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well they need to go up to the fire and fight it like men and get er done
Why did firefighter's stand waiting for watch fire.
Because this kind of fire does no damage. Position your equipment to protect structures or agricultural crops, start backfires if need be where they can be controlled easily to protect structures, etc. Then just wait until the fire gets close enough to "calm it down" and let it burn itself out. By the looks of the smoke coming off this mess, it hadn't burned off for a long time. Actually, these areas need to be burned off on some kind of scheduled basis to keep the fuel load from becoming too large. Incidentally, straight or solid streams directed at the base of the flame column work best, as penetration is needed. The dead grass sheds water just like thatched roofs on houses and sheds do where they are used.
Doesn't look like it....
Very poor fire fighting job
As always standing around doing nothing, typical volenteer firemen
Do you know how tiring that really is? I would've been taking a break too. Yes we joke around when we break why not? I'm a fire fighter personally and we do a lot. Have some respect you'll talk trash until your trapped inside a vehicle or burning building then our sirens will be like angels to your ears.
kyle chaney Don't sweat it, a lot of people can't understand that sometimes work requires that you pace yourself. They're used to the idea that 100% of firefighting involves running around with heavy gear 100% of the time up until the point the fire's out.
I MEAN THEY WORK WERRY SLOWELY AND DON'T PRIORITY THE FIRE GOOD NOTH
lizzorette puggersann Idiot!
THIS FIRE NEED MANY LITERS WATER AND ALL MAN CAN TAKE Å SLANGE IN A HAND AND QUIT THE FIRE WERRY QUIKELY
Not!