Ultimate Guide to Alterac Valley in Classic WoW - Maximize Honor and Rep (Alliance PoV)

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  • FOLLOW MY TWITCH: / cliffwow
    After just 2 days of Alterac Valley in Classic WoW I gained over 220k honor. My guild was queueing with about 80+ people at the same time, and we got really sick of people spamming to rush Drek, as it gives little to no honor.
    I made this video to show everyone the route that we take to optimize our honor/hour. If you're horde the same strategies apply, the names of the towers and whatnot are just switched.
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Komentáře • 171

  • @ShadowFlummer
    @ShadowFlummer Před 4 lety +82

    so this video assumes that all 40 horde players are afk?

    • @shtroizn
      @shtroizn Před rokem

      Reading this now in 2023 and I laughed! Did some BGs in Wotlk Classic - Alliance almost always win which sucks (since I am Horde) but in AV we just zerged the boss and won - not AFK like this video maybe assumes. Getting all objectives on the way is not really something I see us doing - even for the extra honor points.

  • @tawnylyra6233
    @tawnylyra6233 Před rokem +2

    I worked up my nerve to do my very first AV this morning because of your video. I'm going to keep trying at it😂😁Thanks for that motivation💃

  • @bobbyplays2310
    @bobbyplays2310 Před 4 lety +18

    Damnit I was loving this quick 3k honor 8 minute games on horde ..

  • @Tolmonster
    @Tolmonster Před 4 lety +8

    Thank you. This is a much needed message. The panicked responses are an indicator that tons of alliance players have no idea how this BG is supposed to function. As a horde player, all we have to do is turtle with 15, then casually grab all objectives and leisurely kill Van, while alliance is completely perplexed. I miss having to defend towers and fight off bunker recaps. The BG needs to be buffed so players can be forced to play it properly.

    • @TheBreezeShoot
      @TheBreezeShoot Před 4 lety

      AV... needs a buff? In what world does the highest honor source in the game need a buff? That's stupid af. Maybe change it so the loser gets less, but giving more to the winner is just fucking absurd. Easily getting 200k honor a day is stupid.

    • @GangstaCaddy1921
      @GangstaCaddy1921 Před 4 lety +1

      Jason Dick he didn’t say buff the rewards...

    • @stevenramos2472
      @stevenramos2472 Před 4 lety

      No changes means no changes, not even to improve the game

  • @Gr33nsurfer
    @Gr33nsurfer Před 4 lety +13

    The problem is if you do not do drek kinda fast then usually horde gets objectives+winn and you end up with nothing. As alliance you basically need 10+ ppl slowing horde push down or u wont winn it if you wait for all the objectives.

  • @Ttavoc
    @Ttavoc Před 4 lety +2

    That works when both sides rush. It immediately stops working when one side protects their stuff or take it back. Horde in my pool does that and kill the alliance piece by piece. Simply cause each one say „Go south!“ no matter if it works and let everything undefended. Horde has it really easy this days and thats in a BG which is slightly terrainfavored for alliance

  • @Victoriusrex
    @Victoriusrex Před 4 lety +8

    A tangential side note, but the Drek rush is primarily a rep farming strategy, not an honor farming one. The reason why people were rushing Drek and bypassing the objectives was to farm rep ASAP for the exalted rewards.

  • @andyhull9182
    @andyhull9182 Před rokem

    Advanced Kek is when you walljump outside the map boundries through the mountains or go idle at the roof of Drek hut, not many can do that

  • @Thefire591
    @Thefire591 Před 4 lety +15

    You get on average 200 rep every loss and 1.1k rep every win. Change the title of this video. You are maximizing honor here, not rep!

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +1

      Who's losing? With this strat you win the game in somewhere between 10-13min (depending on the opposing faction's defense and how well the team executes). We net on average about 3500 honor, and win the game so we get the rep from winning and the extra 125 rep from killing Galv. I get about 20k honor/hr and got exalted within the first 24 hours of AV being released.
      Average Drek rush game takes around 8-9 minutes, gets 775 honor and doesn't get the extra 125 rep from Galv. So it's an extra 2-3 minutes for the extra 125 rep and 3k more honor. Additionally, horde are defending a lot more now which screws up the drek rush pretty badly, but doesn't have as much of an effect on this strat.

    • @majortiergamerelite294
      @majortiergamerelite294 Před 4 lety +1

      @@cliffwow2365 bro what? I average 3.5k honor just by rushing drek... why would you do anything other than that? Rush to drek area, grab the graveyard and kill archers in towers boom theres 2k honor right there in 6 minutes, kill the WM and then the boss boom theres another 1k in a total of 8 minutes. You gain rep over time, and for winning you get another 350.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +3

      @@majortiergamerelite294 I'd love to see a scoreboard where you got 3500 honor in a 6 minute game. It is technically possible, but is only accomplished by stacking a premade of 35+ and splitting well by sending around 10 to the lieutenants and commanders and the other 30 to Drek.

    • @drafman1
      @drafman1 Před 4 lety +2

      @@cliffwow2365 dont even reply to these guys bro. Im horde but youre 100% right. We get more honor and rep BECUASE WE DO OBJECTIVES.
      most horde on OCE will be down to defend and do objectives etc because we want to win. Ive even had turtle games give more rep than quick games cus of turn ins. Its all about turn ins, objectives and the bosses. 100%
      "quick losses" are the worst ideas

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +1

      @@drafman1 I try to thank people for watching my video by having a discussion, even if that means me arguing with them haha.

  • @retributionangel5078
    @retributionangel5078 Před 4 lety +9

    yeah...but Hord deffs and then you just lose and you take longer caus your zerging in Base for 1h
    Better 4 fast rush games than 1 zerg game

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +4

      Not at all. We've ran into quite a few horde defenses in our premades. The best solution is to take the moment to quickly wipe them with your raid. The reason it turns into a turtle is because groups will let 10+ people get picked off by a horde defense, then they run into problems at the warmasters. Don't let those players die in the initial run and you're all good.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      Just to prove I'm not full of it: imgur.com/l0EHD04

    • @TheBreezeShoot
      @TheBreezeShoot Před 4 lety +3

      @@cliffwow2365 "in our premades." I think that's the issue people are having with relating to this. You're asking a little bit too much for PUGs. The guy above has a point. I'd rather rush and win 1 out of every 3 than have a cripplingly slow game because 15 people left after a botched Galv and the another 15 standing in middle Pyroing level 54s while the people at Drek are spamming "GET SOUTH".
      If people had any sense of what to do as a faction then you're 100% correct, but otherwise that just isn't happening.
      Although it would if every single player was forced to watch this before playing. I think everyone would have much better games if there was some way to get player to understand what the fuck AV actually is instead of just having them blindly run in there and think "oh, this guy from Faerlina is saying he's a pug and telling us to rush Drek, this must be the best way, I will continue to do that for the next 3 months".
      I don't think anyone here thinks you're full of it. I just know from the last 700k honor that without a premade only about 30% of what you're saying can actually be expected to get done.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      @@TheBreezeShoot I have faith (although it's probably misplaced), that people will adapt to this correct strategy soon. I'm already seeing quite a few groups do this when I solo queue. Admittedly, I don't solo queue much, so that may not be the majority.

    • @pogolas
      @pogolas Před 4 lety

      Cliffwow P R E M A D E S...You can zerg you way south (recalling at times) and still win. Not very smart comment/explanation.

  • @wallchris75
    @wallchris75 Před 4 lety +17

    Only ppl who are already exhalted care about honor. I just want the rep for the items and ill never play this shit bg again lol

    • @Reippa
      @Reippa Před 4 lety

      wallchris75 Same lmao

    • @roemernikolaj
      @roemernikolaj Před 4 lety +1

      same i have like 10-15% win rate, it seems impossible..all the hordes intercepts at mid and it ends up with a bloodbath.. and i dont give a shit about the honor ^^

  • @Cipher8721
    @Cipher8721 Před 4 lety +2

    i like gankin allies in the FoS, and make them spawned at SH GY, just keep them there while horde go north, unless we have a Faerlina sperg and caps SH GY and causes a 1h AV games

  • @TB-ve9uu
    @TB-ve9uu Před 4 lety +5

    @cliffwow I’m alliance and I lose 100% of matches. Seems like horde get to SHGY at the same time we do, how is that fair? What are we doing wrong

    • @eddgrs9193
      @eddgrs9193 Před 4 lety +2

      Av is made foe Horde to win. Horde have more people who care about pvp, Blizzard has to favor them so they don't lose subscribers.That's why they have better racials and BGs that are in their favor. If you want to pvp, go Horde. If you want to have more female players, and more"lifers" in your guild, play Alliance.

  • @uioup7453
    @uioup7453 Před 4 lety +2

    No, you can't change the way certain people play. The new ( current AV ) is made that way. Older AV was impossible to rush, considering how impossible it was to even come close to slaughtering liutenants.

  • @Rosemont765
    @Rosemont765 Před 4 lety +2

    The problem is the horde are intercepting and takin half the raid out before they get to Galv...

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      I've seen some discussion on the classic subreddit about this. Apparently the horde doing that are getting roasted because it's likely to cause a mess of a turtle game that lasts 30min+. The thing is, it's the same route across the fields of strife whether you're going to go straight to Galv or Drek, so either way strat will be screwed if enough horde intercept. The best solution is to have a few that will dismount and kill them, allowing the rest of your force to go forward. But, it's a balance between this, and still killing Galv before they kill Balinda. But I'd rather this be the discussion, because now we're talking about actual PVP.

    • @Preacher_.
      @Preacher_. Před 4 lety +1

      Where's my Kamikaze Mage Squad At? 😎🔮💥

    • @UkraineJames2000
      @UkraineJames2000 Před 4 lety

      @@Preacher_. Over here fam

    • @eddgrs9193
      @eddgrs9193 Před 4 lety

      @@Preacher_. Alliance mages don't learn arcane explosion for some reason...

  • @Blazestalker100
    @Blazestalker100 Před 4 lety +2

    I appreciate those who stay back and capture towers etc. I get much more rep and honor out of these rounds. with the rush to last boss mentality its always a roulette. its not like "if you follow this strategy we win all the time" i mean, if someone belives that they can win all the time, the other team has to allow that to happen.

  • @jespermeineche2388
    @jespermeineche2388 Před 2 lety

    Any chance you can do an updated guide for WotLK?

  • @bobapep20
    @bobapep20 Před 4 lety +4

    Each time I suggest to alliance to actually cap the towers after the "RUSH DREK" doesn't work because the horde know our 1 tactic and play a little defense I get laughed at saying I don't know how to play the game. HAHAHAHA!!!!

    • @MellonVegan
      @MellonVegan Před 4 lety

      I had someone literally message me from another server after a game, telling me I was an idiot and shouldn't make calls, if I didn't know how the game worked. What heinous thing did I say? Oh yeah, "kill the commanders/LTs" etc. instead of rushing Vanndar.

  • @nyanko8972
    @nyanko8972 Před 4 lety +2

    Doesn’t it not matter whether which faction gets more honour? In the end the amount of honour you have is only compared to those in the same faction as you

  • @mtrkar
    @mtrkar Před 4 lety +3

    Don't listen to him Ally brothers! We must continue to zerg Drek asap. Quicker the better. Sincerely, a horde player trying to rank up with 30 min ques.

  • @wkndwarrior3532
    @wkndwarrior3532 Před 4 lety

    So please tell me, why are Alliance now losing 80% of the time, even in premades? The Horde strategy seems to be to try and fight Ally right away, even if they lose that initial fight, once FW or RH GY is challenged, we get 30 Horde recalling to base to defend, and for every Ally player they kill we have to run either all the way from IB or further if they have back capped. Horde strat is to drag the game out now, because Ally only want fast games and roll over if it turns into a long fight. Literally 30 Horde on Def and only 10 on offense and they win since ally dont want a turtle.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +3

      Because the Alliance understand that losing a 15 minute game is a lot better honor/hour than winning a 30 minute game. It's a terrible system but it is what it is.

  • @AK-460Magnurse
    @AK-460Magnurse Před rokem

    So how do you get a group of 40 pugs to do that?

  • @RiasxGremory
    @RiasxGremory Před 4 lety +3

    Alliance can't play BG's normally. All they know how to do is Rush Drek. If you wipe them multiple times on their way to Zerg Drek the whole premade just falls apart.

  • @UBDOOMBOT
    @UBDOOMBOT Před 4 lety +4

    I had 8 straight games where we just rushed
    I sat in the back just so I can fight and maybe die.
    Dudes out here playing AV like it's retail

    • @foomp
      @foomp Před 4 lety

      On Alliance, it's every game... and it ends in failure. Horde in the games I play know what they're doing (i.e. Keep a shitload on defense to farm HKs). Unless it's a premade or some miracle team, Alliance will never get past a Horde defense at IBGY/IBT/Galv. Many Horde players are smart enough to know that if you attack the rush in mid, they will usually NOT fight back. It's free kills across the board and you stop the vast majority of the offense cuz... gotta rush Galv/Drek, even if your allies die and you end up being the only offense left.

  • @R0xxo
    @R0xxo Před 4 lety

    Alliance never do this. They get stuffed at SHGY and get pushed north from there. Neutral to Exalted and the Alliance didn’t kill Galv once.

  • @frankycantrell666
    @frankycantrell666 Před 4 lety +3

    Can’t get the alliance to even leave north or mid to do anything. Ride together is a foreign concept.

  • @livingadreaminparadise9307

    Horde are owning AV so Alliance just goes for the rush and if that doesn't work they just give up or go AFK,... Been in AV and not had a win yet on the Alliance, Most of the Alliance are switching to doing WSG so the horde que for AV will just get longer as more Alliance move away from AV, I have both Horde and Alliance and can see both sides horde wait is now up to 1hour on the server I am on,... It's a no-win situation, A balance has to be made and there as any PVP'er knows plenty of exploits and such in the version of AV were playing which need to be removed as it is the Alliance will keep switching to WSG and the wait times for Horde going up and up

  • @teazqt812
    @teazqt812 Před 3 lety

    you don't have poisons on... but you are correct

  • @bret7786
    @bret7786 Před 4 lety +3

    Agreed- consistently getting 3k honor on Horde in 7min a game- works for me

    • @rbenzango
      @rbenzango Před 4 lety

      Cuz honor matters. If everyone on ur faction is getting shit loads per AV it just causes inflation

    • @Sunedosa
      @Sunedosa Před 4 lety

      @@rbenzango Ídd, i have a hard time beliving that people netted as much honor back in vanilla as they do in classic now, with people going apeshit with this and playing 24/7 just means that ranking up will be next to impossible when the top 10 players on your realm each stack over 500k each week.

  • @TheBasiliosan
    @TheBasiliosan Před 4 lety

    what mines do in Alterac Valley battleground ? (Irondeep mine , Coldtooth mine) . What bonuses got side who controls both mines?

    • @criminy_
      @criminy_ Před 4 lety

      You get a little reputation (12 for non-humans) from controlling them at the end of the match. There's also a repeatable quest to gather supplies from them that gives a tiny amount of reputation and some silver. Once enough supplies have been gathered by your team, a ground assault can be activated which spawns a group of elites that will move to the enemy base when given commands. There is also a one-time quest to capture a mine.

  • @teddorosheff1929
    @teddorosheff1929 Před 4 lety

    not to mention the fact that the rush drek/van strategy for rep becomes useless once ur exalted. Dont worry about the fucking rep, we're all gonna be exalted in a month or two anyway

  • @habbbie
    @habbbie Před 4 lety

    this might be correct 4 months ago but nowadays this will lose you the game,not that alliance wins alot of them but hey.
    if you want to win Av as alliance you need to stop the sh gy rush and take ib gy hold it,
    then slowly move to ib tower and kill galv
    when you get the ib gy go for the next tower.
    slow but steady like a turtle.
    also remeber we the horde will go for the fight in the mid and you sh gy this will win us the game so counter it.
    there you go win av as alliance

  • @dmeddie
    @dmeddie Před 4 lety +1

    drek vs bal isn't a rush, it doesn't matter who kills who first you get 198 honor either way
    however, if your captain is alive at the end of the match you get 198 more honor

  • @criminy_
    @criminy_ Před 4 lety

    Rushing Galv no longer works in my experience. The best way to win is by controlling 2 of the central graveyards and doing the objectives as you push south. Sometimes it becomes possible to do Galv depending on what the Horde are doing. As mentioned in the video, it's relatively pointless to do him after Balinda is down. The only thing gained by killing Galv at that point is that Horde are no longer periodically granted the Galv buff.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      I hadn't done AV in a few weeks because I've been pretty heavily focused on WSG, but I did quite a bit yesterday. This strat would definitely still work if all the alliance stuck together and just fought through the horde in the area between snowfall and balinda's building and capped snowfall before moving down.
      Alternatively, if everyone actually had epic mounts and a riding speed set this full strat would still work totally fine by going hard right and not stopping.

  • @1234munchlax
    @1234munchlax Před 4 lety +4

    I don’t want to hear any ally complain about av lol

  • @Setrono
    @Setrono Před 4 lety

    I can't believe this treated me wrong.

  • @killmasterdeathlordpro4407

    fun all day

  • @xjimcarryx
    @xjimcarryx Před měsícem

    if i want rep only rush drek , not everybodys cares bout honor in classic unbalanced pvp. its annoying and waste of time for rep famr

  • @DaishDaishDaish
    @DaishDaishDaish Před 4 lety +4

    outdated video almost zero useful information in this

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      Hey Daish,
      Thanks so much for watching. I really appreciate your very constructive and thoughtful comment. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future!

    • @DaishDaishDaish
      @DaishDaishDaish Před 4 lety +2

      @@cliffwow2365 watch horde stop trying to win soon and force turtles even if no Alliance is on defence

    • @edgarstep3586
      @edgarstep3586 Před 4 lety

      @@DaishDaishDaish where did you learn to do so constructive observations?

    • @UBDOOMBOT
      @UBDOOMBOT Před 4 lety

      @@DaishDaishDaish Who Hurt You?

  • @Sunedosa
    @Sunedosa Před 4 lety +2

    90% of the time losing AV as horde we still get more honor than Alliance.

  • @danchambers9436
    @danchambers9436 Před 4 lety +3

    Who cares if your leaving honor behind, its relative only to the alliance for ranks so it doesn't matter that the Horde have more total honor. Rushing Drek is all about the quick rep.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      Of course our own honor is only relative to our own faction. But premade AV groups (including my own when we get 25+ in one raid), are using this strat, or some slight variation of it, to get 4k honor/match. So, if you end up with some bad luck when queueing with your premade, you can end up with only 4 or 5 of your group in the raid, and people rushing Drek will mean you get some pretty rough honor/hr.
      My point with saying horde are getting a lot more honor per game is to show how much honor can be gained in that amount of time. And just farming rep selfishly is kind of dumb, at this point tons of us are already exalted (I was exalted late Wednesday night... the day after BGs released) - so a large amount in each BG are there for honor. Killing Galv gives an extra 125 rep as well.

    • @mitzux308
      @mitzux308 Před 4 lety +1

      Because rankers on your faction and server will be doing this...those who you’re competing with...while you get 700 honor with rush drek which you may not even win.

    • @inspectorzenigata1
      @inspectorzenigata1 Před 4 lety +2

      He's already exalted so fuck our rep. But by all means, convince a bunch of spergs to try your premade strat in all of my pub bgs. I've not lost nearly enough AV's today, but hey, at least I get that 125 galv rep 50% of the time.

    • @greenpez1234
      @greenpez1234 Před 4 lety +1

      @@inspectorzenigata1 exactly, *I'm exalted* so fuck the rest of you!

    • @Glaskruset
      @Glaskruset Před 4 lety +1

      but the rush tactic has been the same since day 1 and horde figured that out after a few days. so they just intercept and alliance lose everytime running around like retards

  • @elempresario2165
    @elempresario2165 Před 4 lety

    why alliance skip snowfall this is so stupid

  • @stefanstefan1883
    @stefanstefan1883 Před 4 lety

    poor ally... you need to w8 like a 40 min for AV, have a premade party and try to rush under 10 min to win this shiet? Ill farmed max rep in 1 reset week on 2 chars, its like 3-5 win AV a day.

  • @its_rima_yeah
    @its_rima_yeah Před 4 lety +7

    But i want exalted items

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      I recorded this video while wearing my Don Julio's band.

    • @f_u_b_o
      @f_u_b_o Před 4 lety +1

      ohh my God o_X it takes u 2times longer but u resieve 3times honor ...

  • @roemernikolaj
    @roemernikolaj Před 4 lety

    its impossible to become exalted now.. it can take weeks with non stop play.. thanks blizz

    • @IIIuminate123
      @IIIuminate123 Před 4 lety

      I went from neutral to half away from revered in a day

    • @roemernikolaj
      @roemernikolaj Před 4 lety

      @@IIIuminate123 whats your secret? All My games Are 30-60 minute and ends in loss

    • @IIIuminate123
      @IIIuminate123 Před 4 lety

      @@roemernikolaj My secret is playing on horde, I havent had a single loss since late january

    • @roemernikolaj
      @roemernikolaj Před 4 lety

      @@IIIuminate123 ah i see i forgot to mention i AM alliance, they dont know how to pvp 😅

    • @lct23
      @lct23 Před 4 lety

      @@roemernikolaj 3 months later and nothing has changed. Ive been playing for a few days and im not even honored yet. Only rep alliance can get currently is just killing the 5 rep guards and bowmen

  • @iceblock4235
    @iceblock4235 Před 4 lety +1

    This video should be a requirement to listen to BEFORE you Enter the Queue. Yes EACH TIME BEFORE YOU ENTER THE BG.

  • @Ticey1201
    @Ticey1201 Před 4 lety +6

    thanks for pushing this garbage message, now because all the scrubs think you're right, alliance loses all AVs
    Unsubbed for this.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +2

      Hey Mesz, sorry to hear you felt you should unsub because of this. To be honest, I think the horde are adapting to Alliance's strats better and causing more losses. A particularly strong strat is when they leave 15 to defend and use 25 for their boss rushes. They can cause some serious chaos in the front lines of the alliance. There is not one strategy that will allow you to win every AV. An example is what to do with the iceblood graveyard. If there aren't many horde defending and it's more of a race, then you shouldn't cap iceblood graveyard. But, if there are a lot defending, you should cap it once you've capped frostwolf to force those horde to respawn farther north or in their cave and take some pressure off.
      The strat I'm recommending in this video is how to maximize your honor in the game, it is not always going to be a 100% for sure route to winning, that doesn't exist. Even when our geared premades get 25+ people in a game, if horde puts forth a good strat, we lose once and a while as well. The real loss is getting stuck in a turtle. I'm fine losing if it only takes 15 minutes and we still get 4k honor.

    • @CaptTragedy
      @CaptTragedy Před 4 lety

      These two fuckin clowns are the reason alliance gets run over every game. Ignore them please cliff, they’re just as useless here as they are in BGs.

    • @Kioooi
      @Kioooi Před 4 lety +1

      It's true though, you can't try and cheese, have them turtle and cap 2 towers then just continue to run into their turtle. You'll have more warmasters/marshalls to pull then them which puts you at disadvantage. Cheesing is nice but AV is set up way better for defense. What is really hilarious is the whole group rushes to cheese drek then sits to cap fwgy while horde cap all your towers. Either cheese or play normally.

  • @billyalvarado9191
    @billyalvarado9191 Před 4 lety +3

    dont tell the horde we learing

  • @user-or6lx2xv9l
    @user-or6lx2xv9l Před 4 lety

    The best way is to kill bandar in 7 minutes and get 350 rep. Very efficient.

  • @TaraKaos
    @TaraKaos Před 4 lety

    Sure but If all i want is the rep rewards why do i care about honor at all? I'm not ranking so who cares...

  • @Welchy88
    @Welchy88 Před 4 lety

    how many people actually care about honor in AV? its literally just for rep.

  • @lerkinlarry2817
    @lerkinlarry2817 Před 4 lety +8

    Nooo dont teach the alliance let them keep rushing drek!

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +1

      Nope! I'm sick of arguing with people in battleground chat that just want to rush to Drek. It makes it hell to play without queuing with 40+.

    • @Half_Finis
      @Half_Finis Před 4 lety +2

      @@cliffwow2365 well killing drek gives the most rep which is what most of the people there actually care about

    • @mohamedmaiza3866
      @mohamedmaiza3866 Před 4 lety

      The big joke it doesnt hurt horde at all for alliance to get the npc's

    • @btccricket14
      @btccricket14 Před 4 lety

      @@mohamedmaiza3866 it hurts horde because we rely on alliance to, effectively, reest the AV. Horde cores out all the farm just in time for alliance to kill drek and then we can requeue.

    • @mohamedmaiza3866
      @mohamedmaiza3866 Před 4 lety

      @@btccricket14 I'm not talking I'm talking about the elite npc's at the gy and towers that yield honor all along the map

  • @Preacher_.
    @Preacher_. Před 4 lety +1

    This needs to be spammed in every discord, reddit thread, and comment section even remotely related to Classic WoW.

  • @scorpxjc
    @scorpxjc Před 4 lety +1

    rush drek squadR

  • @naturereporter542
    @naturereporter542 Před 4 lety

    Good job on making the video an explaining important things. However, your calculation is a bit flawed. You have forgotten the queue wait times. The longer the queue time is, the more you actually lose by rushing Drek. Rep and honor is lost by not doing the objective. I have seen queue times from 10 - 25 mins. You gain honor and rep by actually playing AV. While listening to your video and reading your comments you mention quite a few times "we". Players on my server (horde side) do whatever the **** they want. There is no "we". You need unity and a strong defense. Doing objectives won't do you any good if the horde finishes its rush properly. Rushing is very simple and doesn't involve a lot of thinking or any defense, just speed. Conclusion: Enforce doing objectives if queue times are greater than 15 mins. Otherwise: when in Rome do like the Romans. Starting justice wars in raid chat will ensure a swift loss.

  • @Ibelieveicanfly262
    @Ibelieveicanfly262 Před 4 lety

    What add on you using to have quick change your trinkets?

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/trinket-menu Trinket Menu

  • @mikeyb6737
    @mikeyb6737 Před 4 lety

    WE CHASE ECHOES NOT HONOR--

  • @Versteend
    @Versteend Před 4 lety

    You forgot about the mines. And idd, Balinda Vs Galv isn't a race.. both get 200

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      Mines only give honor if the game lasts >30 min

  • @sarah-vc9vh
    @sarah-vc9vh Před 4 lety

    Get tank 4 heals and just kill boss and thats its 10 min max

    • @TheBreezeShoot
      @TheBreezeShoot Před 4 lety

      lol u ok m8

    • @sarah-vc9vh
      @sarah-vc9vh Před 4 lety

      @@TheBreezeShoot you are the new player?

    • @Jokar93
      @Jokar93 Před 4 lety

      /y when you are doing this in my game and my Infernal will have fun dealing with your healers

    • @sarah-vc9vh
      @sarah-vc9vh Před 4 lety

      @@Jokar93 you turtle???? Hahahahaha

    • @akhsdenlew1861
      @akhsdenlew1861 Před 4 lety +3

      @@sarah-vc9vh horde MUST turtle cus they have 20m ques.
      A fast loss is not an option for the horde with such terrible ques, while for alliance it is.
      Losing fast and then waiting 20 more minutes for a game is not good.
      That's why horde are winning the vast majority of the games right now... they are motivated HARD to win by the que timers, while alliance dont care.. they are like " let's loose fast boys and jump the next one, more honor per hour".
      That's what many say when a horde turtle emerges.. which is 9.5/10 times.

  • @bersercker
    @bersercker Před 4 lety +2

    Lmao talked like a true kek, i got exalted by day 2 making around 80k honor a day with a sweet 70% winrate rushing drek, is not ones fault that opposite faction just fails to realize how to interact with a strat, sometimes i died on the way and went back to vann to rack some hk just to watch the horde struggle for 20 minutes to pull vann. What a shitshow.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      80k honor per day is incredibly low, and I was also exalted day 2 with this method.

    • @bersercker
      @bersercker Před 4 lety +1

      @@cliffwow2365 indeed but not for someone playing casually which i was, the problem with your reasoning is that saying "rushing drek is doing it wrong" even if you are winning, since the actual objective is winning and that is achieved by killing the boss why would you stop to do anything else given the chance to do so unimpeded? and yes horde was getting more than twice the honor but why would alliance care? then there is the risk of getting split and losing coordination something you would not be able to recover in a pug. i can go on about all the flaws of trying to play over multiple objectives with an uncoordinated group but everyone probably knows how that works. In the end it isnt the "rush drek" that is the problem but the lack of meaningful interaction by the opposite faction to stop it. After all if it aint broken dont fix it.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +1

      @@bersercker I agree that rushing Drek is a simpler strategy for a pug to understand but it's also susceptible to massive flaws. A small horde defense will turn a rush drek game into a full on turtle real quick. The reason I mentioned the horde getting more honor isn't because we're competing with them for honor, but just a comparison to show what they were focusing on in those games. The reason I demonized the strategy so much is because groups were leaving so much honor on the table by rushing Drek. I get many people's main priority was just rep, but to leave 3k honor, which many people in the group wanted, seemed insane, especially since the rep grind can be achieved within about 14-16 hours of play.

    • @oyster_wow5357
      @oyster_wow5357 Před 4 lety

      lol 80k

    • @bersercker
      @bersercker Před 4 lety

      @@oyster_wow5357 ??

  • @blakiedeadman5130
    @blakiedeadman5130 Před 4 lety +1

    i disagree. Fast runs may not give the max rep (forget honor, u can gain it everywhere) but they give u a decent amount and by doing and WIN it fast in the end u will gain more

  • @Adzy222
    @Adzy222 Před 4 lety

    Yes oceanic horde 100% of games go full defense and not even race gl

    • @scratchy996
      @scratchy996 Před 4 lety

      On European servers it's the same, Alliance rushes, horde waits for them, then it's a battle in the middle, until Horde back doors the Alliance camp and wins.

    • @Ttavoc
      @Ttavoc Před 4 lety

      Maxawe Some 21 AVs as Alliance in follow without a single win. Not because horde is imba or BG in favor for horde (I have always to laugh about that) but because we play like the firs humans on earth.

    • @foomp
      @foomp Před 4 lety

      Pretty sure it's all around these days. There are some locales that don't follow that but it's pretty rare. It's like winning the lottery of stupid if you happen to be on Horde and on those games. The amount of Horde players that think AV provides no terrain benefit to Horde is pretty unreal, at least when it comes to CZcams, Reddit, and the official forums. It's pretty sad to know how stupid some people are willing to be. It's like they're AV PUG Alliance or something.

  • @crysosisback7115
    @crysosisback7115 Před 4 lety

    Imma just queue AV, go somewhere isolated, afk with my own little script and get passive honor while doing something else, because fuck all this at this point. (it's a 75% winrate for horde in EU anyway, so whatever.)

  • @JeremyGalloway
    @JeremyGalloway Před 4 lety

    I only care about rep tho

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety

      Imagine not being exalted yet.

    • @JeremyGalloway
      @JeremyGalloway Před 4 lety +4

      @@cliffwow2365 Imagine still being friendly because alliance loses every AV

    • @foomp
      @foomp Před 4 lety +1

      Which is part of the reason why you lose. Wanting to rush every game is like a glass cannon. Effective, as long as no one interferes or attacks it. Even premades that max honor efficiently (i.e. games are over in ~12min) are sure they complete every objective to do it. For whatever reason though, it seems almost impossible to convince Alliance players to do turn in quests for their nearly infinite number of lost matches. Not only do you get a ton of rep for it, but you might actually win if you can beat the Horde in doing it. It's not even just you, it's everyone that benefits from turn ins, since rep is given to all players per turn in. The Horde do exactly that in many matches I've been in. They get Lok, upgraded NPCs, and even wing commanders up as a common thing. They get so much rep per match.

  • @007TisseTrold
    @007TisseTrold Před 4 lety +2

    Dont think you get more rep from losing.

    • @cliffwow2365
      @cliffwow2365  Před 4 lety +1

      Don't remember saying to lose anywhere.

    • @inspectorzenigata1
      @inspectorzenigata1 Před 4 lety +3

      @@cliffwow2365 it's a translation error. In english "rush galv" means throw away the game.

  • @JaesNSC
    @JaesNSC Před 4 lety +2

    pfff. just play the game.

    • @Preacher_.
      @Preacher_. Před 4 lety +1

      Educated Players > Hurp-Err-Durrp Players.
      It's a group effort, and one can only absorb soo many tards.

    • @kakapoopoopp
      @kakapoopoopp Před 4 lety

      @@Preacher_. don't get an aneurysm, it's only a game.

    • @JaesNSC
      @JaesNSC Před 4 lety

      @@Preacher_. just play the game bro

    • @Preacher_.
      @Preacher_. Před 4 lety

      Me: 'Hey, you really shouldn't drive your car down the sidewalk & blow through red lights.'
      Hurrp-Err-Durrps: 'Just drive the car bro.

    • @kakapoopoopp
      @kakapoopoopp Před 4 lety

      @@Preacher_. tfw u need to start comparing incomparable relations in order to justify your reasoning KEK