The mustang pictured here is Steve Hinton's "Wee Willy II" one of a few mustangs that call chino home. The D variant seen in the video has the Packard Merlin engine installed. Earlier variants like the early A models were powered by the Allison V-1710 engine. Great video, i love Planes of Fame!
Hi I live in Chino Hills but I've never been to the Museum. Thanks for mentioning it and I'll check it out. Those planes are awesome and it would be fantastic to fly in one or both of them:-)!
Nice video. I have flown in both of these aircraft and would recommend to anyone to join the Air Museum Planes of Fame and sponsor a ride in history. 400 MPH and 4G turns in the mustang can't be beat.
@justforever96 The P-51 was designed from the beginning as an interceptor to fly higher than the P-40, where gun calibres were not that large (up to 75mm AA guns on the ground as against the maximum usual -I believe- of 20mm cannons carried by planes) paying special attention to performances, while the P-40´s rougher construction made it better for ground-attack and bomber-interception, and thus could stand more damage, I think.
@RedWolf2581 If it's got a "bubble-top", it's a "D", and has a Merlin. Only the first P-51's had Allison V-1710's: the P-51 and P-51A (and of course the RAF Mustang Mk I and Mk II, and the A-36 Apache). The next versions, the P-51B and C had the Merlin (aka Packard V-1650), but with the original flush-canopy fuselage. And like the other guy said, any P-51 or P-40 with an intake over the nose is an Allison engined plane, i.e. any P-40 except the P-40F. The Merlin's carburetor is under the engine.
The engines on these planes are so huge, the clearances for the pistons and compression rings have to be larger, and you will get "Blowby" smoke until the engine warms up and every expands to seal up the engine. Radial engines are designed to burn oil because if the characteristics of their crankcase, and oiling system.
I remember reading a book about US WW2 fighters with mostly commentaries from former pilots...one who had the chance to fly the Spitfire and said although he preferred to fly a Spit, he'd rather fight in a P-40..the two reasons he gave are the armor plating behind the pilot...P-40 half inch vs Spit quarter inch and the position of the main fuel tank...P-40, underneath and behind the pilot vs Spit, directly in front of the pilot.
@AlanMartinNala I'm a very neutral Warbird fan...and I've never heard that the P-51 was more vulnerable than other simil;ar types. It was a lot easier to shoot down than a radial engined plane, especially a rugged one like a P-47 or F6F Hellcat, but no worse that a Spitfire. There were 11 spots on the P-51 where a single rifle bullet would doom it within minutes, but any plane is dead if it looses it's coolant or oil. The idea (good or bad) is to be too quick for an enemy to hit you!
@Strega222 The smoke on startup is partly oil that seeps past the piston rings before they heat up and expand to fit tightly, but mostly it come from the rich fuel mixture they use on startup. That's what I am told, anyway. I always assumed it was all oil burning, but the experts tell me it's just a lot of extra fuel burning. Because I always wondered that too!
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@RedWolf2581 - all D models had Merlins...like you said. If it were an Allison like that in a P-40, there would be an intake on top of the cowling, like on the A model Mustangs fitted with the Allisons. That is always a sure fire way to tell, besides that all D's have Merlins. :)
@nicbenintende The P-40 DID have a supercharger...ALL WWII combat planes had at least a single-stage supercharger. The Merlin flew so high because it had a 2-stage, 2-speed supercharger. The P-47 and -38 had the same single-blower Allison, but with a turbocharger to act as the 2nd stage. The P-40F had a Merlin engine, but it still had inferior handling next to newer planes. The original wing/fuselage was designed in 1935 as the P-36 Hawk, with a radial. In 1938, the P-40 came.
@justforever96 I didn´t made up myself the statement that the Mustang was so vulnerable: I read it in some few good books on WWII warbirds (and I also heard it somewhere); not statements by P-40 lovers who despised the P-51, but neutral ones. Yes, the Hurricane has a belly radiator as well, so I guess it equally vulnerable. It´s not just a matter of ground fire: the calibre also matters, and I think many Allied pilots felt the P-40 safer than the Mustang, even if not as good an interceptor.
Actually, he's right. There was one for sale on several websites. I don't know the condition of it, but buying old warbirds isn't impossible. What is rare and difficult are Axis and Russian planes.
@tippman2k01 As far as I know, that SBD Dauntless is airworthy. I've seen many pictures of that SBD in the air. The SBD Dauntless is one of my favorite planes.
@AlanMartinNala The P-40 is certainly a rugged plane, built stronger than the P-51. It's like the Hurricane vs the Spitfire...the Hurricane was simple and rugged, the Spitfire was lighter and faster. So the question is, is it better to fly a tough-but-slow plane, or to fly a "sports car" and hope the performance will protect you. Even a "rugged" plane is a weak structure....if a 40mm shell hits you, it doesn't matter WHAT you're flying, the damage will likely wreck the plane, no matter how tough
I'm sure they could, current regulations require that the owner pay a $200.00 federal tax for each fully automatic weapon, and that the owner pass certain federal regulations.
@AlanMartinNala (continued) But for ground attack, yeah, I'd take a P-40 over a P-51 any day. The P-51 needs longer hoses to connect the radiator to the engine, and if any small bullet hits a hose, the engine has mere minutes before it dies. It NEEDS coolant and oil. The P-40's radiator is only 20-30cm under the engine, so there's far less danger. On the P-40 Wikipedia page, there's a photo of one that took a shell hit to the wingtip, and flew home. But if fighters attack, you'd be in trouble!
@tippman2k01 not sure if it is airworthy or not. but, if i remember from the last time i was at Plane of Fame, that SBD was the one flown by Pres Bush.
@NLPETERNL And P-47's weren't "slow"...they were slow climbers, but with those huge engines and turbochargers, they could break 400mph at higher altitudes, and were pretty fast at low level too. Not only that, but they came close to going Mach 1 in a dive...faster than anything in the skies while going downwards, but sluggish going upwards! They were just big and heavy, not nimble like a Spitfire, but they certainly weren't "slow". =)
@NLPETERNL Well, you should be proud...the Dutch put up a decent fight when they were invaded. But the G.1 reminds me more of the P-61 Black Widow and the Mosquito than the P-38. The P-61 is a twin-boom plane too, but the P-38 is much slimmer, smaller and faster than the G.1. The G.1 in the form it served in was pretty slow. Maybe it could have done better with some more development, but it would have done better at jobs like the Mosquito had, night-fighting and attack.
I'm sure that it wasn't in flying condition although the picture was nice. Many times, these sellers can't afford the insurance, taxes, maintenance, storage and a host of other costs associated with keeping an airplane. One seller was giving up a real beat up P-51 for $60,000. One would have to spend millions to restore it.
Amazing !! Just Amazing !! BTW I wonder if the owners of these P-51s (or any war-birds) are allowed to have the functioning 50 cal guns in the wings!! Can they?? or do they ???
@groovy67 P-40F's did have a Merlin, but they still handled like crap compared to new fighters like the Mustang. Otherwise, they would have used them instead. I might choose a P-40, but only because I don't plan on doing any dogfighting! If I'm just gonna go and fly around in a gloried Cessna, I might as well choose the nice looking one! ;)
i rather prefer the Dutch 1940 fighter Fokker G-1 it looks almost like the P 38 s they where able to shoot down the me 109s and i as dutchman am proud on those pilots and planes;)
It just sounded to cheap to me bacause I know there aren't many of the dauntless's around. I wonder what the fw 190 would be worth....only one of those flying as far as I understand.
Dauntless for 300,000? That dosen't sound right? I think the one in this video is the one they pulled from lake michigan. I wish old man Pond wouldn't have moved everything out of MN.
@AlanMartinNala Where the hell do you get your information? Or do you just have an overactive imagination? The P-51 was no more "fragile" than any liquid-cooled fighter. It had a vulnerable belly-mounted radiator...and so didn't the Hurricane, Spitfire and Bf-109. The Spitfire OIL TANK was mounted on it's chin, with a few mm of metal holding it all in. The P-40's radiator was under it's chin. ALL vulnerable to ground fire. An "artifact" is a old, left over object...the P-40 design began in 1935.
And just to think that the "impossible-to-get-rid-of" Mustang was vulnerable even to fusil bullets... Shame of a plane. >:[ If I were an Allied WWII fighting pilot and were offered the choice between a P-51 and a P-40, I wouldn´t hesitate the least. I´d never entrust my life to such a fragile artefact like the damned P-51, even if the P-40 is not such as good an interceptor. Why? Because it´s almost impossible to escape unhit from a combat. Besides, I love P-40´s design much better.
The mustang pictured here is Steve Hinton's "Wee Willy II" one of a few mustangs that call chino home. The D variant seen in the video has the Packard Merlin engine installed. Earlier variants like the early A models were powered by the Allison V-1710 engine. Great video, i love Planes of Fame!
Hi I live in Chino Hills but I've never been to the Museum. Thanks for mentioning it and I'll check it out. Those planes are awesome and it would be fantastic to fly in one or both of them:-)!
I love guitars and cars, but I must say, these planes are extremely beautiful!
Nice video.
I have flown in both of these aircraft and would recommend to anyone to join the Air Museum Planes of Fame and sponsor a ride in history. 400 MPH and 4G turns in the mustang can't be beat.
That's not ugly - She is gorgeous ,that is one of the most iconic aircraft of ww2 - and deserves to be seen and admired - one of the best - Z
Sweet sounds of the Allison and Merlin engines !
P 40. Best airplane ever to have a mouth painted on it. And there are a lot of airplanes to choose from. Even the P 51 had them. Not even close.
The first REAL fighter of WWII! And my favorite
@justforever96 The P-51 was designed from the beginning as an interceptor to fly higher than the P-40, where gun calibres were not that large (up to 75mm AA guns on the ground as against the maximum usual -I believe- of 20mm cannons carried by planes) paying special attention to performances, while the P-40´s rougher construction made it better for ground-attack and bomber-interception, and thus could stand more damage, I think.
getting a ride in Wee Willy 2 is soooo fun
even without the shark mouth this bird sreams toughness
The first plane you see at about 6 seconds into the clip is an SBD Daughtless dive bomber. US Navy plane that won the battle of Midway.
@RedWolf2581 If it's got a "bubble-top", it's a "D", and has a Merlin. Only the first P-51's had Allison V-1710's: the P-51 and P-51A (and of course the RAF Mustang Mk I and Mk II, and the A-36 Apache). The next versions, the P-51B and C had the Merlin (aka Packard V-1650), but with the original flush-canopy fuselage. And like the other guy said, any P-51 or P-40 with an intake over the nose is an Allison engined plane, i.e. any P-40 except the P-40F. The Merlin's carburetor is under the engine.
The engines on these planes are so huge, the clearances for the pistons and compression rings have to be larger, and you will get "Blowby" smoke until the engine warms up and every expands to seal up the engine.
Radial engines are designed to burn oil because if the characteristics of their crankcase, and oiling system.
I remember reading a book about US WW2 fighters with mostly commentaries from former pilots...one who had the chance to fly the Spitfire and said although he preferred to fly a Spit, he'd rather fight in a P-40..the two reasons he gave are the armor plating behind the pilot...P-40 half inch vs Spit quarter inch and the position of the main fuel tank...P-40, underneath and behind the pilot vs Spit, directly in front of the pilot.
It is flying, I watched a video of it. Millions wouldn't be worth restoring a mustang when you can go buy a nice one for just over a million.
@AlanMartinNala I'm a very neutral Warbird fan...and I've never heard that the P-51 was more vulnerable than other simil;ar types. It was a lot easier to shoot down than a radial engined plane, especially a rugged one like a P-47 or F6F Hellcat, but no worse that a Spitfire. There were 11 spots on the P-51 where a single rifle bullet would doom it within minutes, but any plane is dead if it looses it's coolant or oil. The idea (good or bad) is to be too quick for an enemy to hit you!
@Strega222 The smoke on startup is partly oil that seeps past the piston rings before they heat up and expand to fit tightly, but mostly it come from the rich fuel mixture they use on startup. That's what I am told, anyway. I always assumed it was all oil burning, but the experts tell me it's just a lot of extra fuel burning. Because I always wondered that too!
0:03 Photo Fanny B-25
0:07 SBD Dauntles
0:10 P-51 Mustang
1:54 P-40 Warhawk (For got what model Chino has)
Gotta Love the PlanesofFame(dot org). Great airshow, wonderful museum. I'm just lucky its in my back yard so to speek
the p40looks cool
@RedWolf2581 - all D models had Merlins...like you said. If it were an Allison like that in a P-40, there would be an intake on top of the cowling, like on the A model Mustangs fitted with the Allisons. That is always a sure fire way to tell, besides that all D's have Merlins. :)
@nicbenintende The P-40 DID have a supercharger...ALL WWII combat planes had at least a single-stage supercharger. The Merlin flew so high because it had a 2-stage, 2-speed supercharger. The P-47 and -38 had the same single-blower Allison, but with a turbocharger to act as the 2nd stage. The P-40F had a Merlin engine, but it still had inferior handling next to newer planes. The original wing/fuselage was designed in 1935 as the P-36 Hawk, with a radial. In 1938, the P-40 came.
@justforever96 I didn´t made up myself the statement that the Mustang was so vulnerable: I read it in some few good books on WWII warbirds (and I also heard it somewhere); not statements by P-40 lovers who despised the P-51, but neutral ones. Yes, the Hurricane has a belly radiator as well, so I guess it equally vulnerable. It´s not just a matter of ground fire: the calibre also matters, and I think many Allied pilots felt the P-40 safer than the Mustang, even if not as good an interceptor.
Actually, he's right. There was one for sale on several websites. I don't know the condition of it, but buying old warbirds isn't impossible. What is rare and difficult are Axis and Russian planes.
@tippman2k01
As far as I know, that SBD Dauntless is airworthy. I've seen many pictures of that SBD in the air. The SBD Dauntless is one of my favorite planes.
@AlanMartinNala The P-40 is certainly a rugged plane, built stronger than the P-51. It's like the Hurricane vs the Spitfire...the Hurricane was simple and rugged, the Spitfire was lighter and faster. So the question is, is it better to fly a tough-but-slow plane, or to fly a "sports car" and hope the performance will protect you. Even a "rugged" plane is a weak structure....if a 40mm shell hits you, it doesn't matter WHAT you're flying, the damage will likely wreck the plane, no matter how tough
I'm sure they could, current regulations require that the owner pay a $200.00 federal tax for each fully automatic weapon, and that the owner pass certain federal regulations.
@AlanMartinNala (continued) But for ground attack, yeah, I'd take a P-40 over a P-51 any day. The P-51 needs longer hoses to connect the radiator to the engine, and if any small bullet hits a hose, the engine has mere minutes before it dies. It NEEDS coolant and oil. The P-40's radiator is only 20-30cm under the engine, so there's far less danger. On the P-40 Wikipedia page, there's a photo of one that took a shell hit to the wingtip, and flew home. But if fighters attack, you'd be in trouble!
@tippman2k01 not sure if it is airworthy or not. but, if i remember from the last time i was at Plane of Fame, that SBD was the one flown by Pres Bush.
@NLPETERNL And P-47's weren't "slow"...they were slow climbers, but with those huge engines and turbochargers, they could break 400mph at higher altitudes, and were pretty fast at low level too. Not only that, but they came close to going Mach 1 in a dive...faster than anything in the skies while going downwards, but sluggish going upwards! They were just big and heavy, not nimble like a Spitfire, but they certainly weren't "slow". =)
Great planes? Indeed
the p51 was so easy to shoot down as it was all pilot and gas,bit like me 109's
tj
@RedWolf2581 the d had a merlin engine but mass produced in america
@NLPETERNL Well, you should be proud...the Dutch put up a decent fight when they were invaded. But the G.1 reminds me more of the P-61 Black Widow and the Mosquito than the P-38. The P-61 is a twin-boom plane too, but the P-38 is much slimmer, smaller and faster than the G.1. The G.1 in the form it served in was pretty slow. Maybe it could have done better with some more development, but it would have done better at jobs like the Mosquito had, night-fighting and attack.
I'm sure that it wasn't in flying condition although the picture was nice. Many times, these sellers can't afford the insurance, taxes, maintenance, storage and a host of other costs associated with keeping an airplane. One seller was giving up a real beat up P-51 for $60,000. One would have to spend millions to restore it.
its residue from recent flown.collected rust.
tj
Amazing !! Just Amazing !! BTW I wonder if the owners of these P-51s (or any war-birds) are allowed to have the functioning 50 cal guns in the wings!! Can they?? or do they ???
best phucking plane in history
How come when you start these old planes it puts a puff of smoke out? Can someone please answer?
@groovy67 P-40F's did have a Merlin, but they still handled like crap compared to new fighters like the Mustang. Otherwise, they would have used them instead. I might choose a P-40, but only because I don't plan on doing any dogfighting! If I'm just gonna go and fly around in a gloried Cessna, I might as well choose the nice looking one! ;)
thats an SBD dauntless divebomber in the background. is it airworthy?
0:07, that's a corsair.
actually thats a dauntless
somebody already freaking told me that.
i rather prefer the Dutch 1940 fighter Fokker G-1 it looks almost like the P 38 s they where able to shoot down the me 109s and i as dutchman am proud on those pilots and planes;)
later model P-40.....has same engine as the Mustang.....(top scoop on cowling a giveaway)
what guns real .
right.
tj
Chances are, if its flying, its not Goverment owned. Its either a Not for Profit or private.
p 40 hit and run same as germans did in me'109;s.dive then up. or just dive away.
tj
It just sounded to cheap to me bacause I know there aren't many of the dauntless's around. I wonder what the fw 190 would be worth....only one of those flying as far as I understand.
did the germans copy this with 189 owl.
tj
It's CHINO - not Chino Hills!
Dauntless for 300,000? That dosen't sound right? I think the one in this video is the one they pulled from lake michigan. I wish old man Pond wouldn't have moved everything out of MN.
lol, my bad.
Yeah, there's only one that I know of as well. I have no idea what that thing would worth. I bet its owned by the government.
@AlanMartinNala Where the hell do you get your information? Or do you just have an overactive imagination? The P-51 was no more "fragile" than any liquid-cooled fighter. It had a vulnerable belly-mounted radiator...and so didn't the Hurricane, Spitfire and Bf-109. The Spitfire OIL TANK was mounted on it's chin, with a few mm of metal holding it all in. The P-40's radiator was under it's chin. ALL vulnerable to ground fire. An "artifact" is a old, left over object...the P-40 design began in 1935.
if they did as its 60 so years now vibs would rattle the fittings.very bad in air displays.
tj
i think its an h not a d
and slow as hell those p 47Ds
And just to think that the "impossible-to-get-rid-of" Mustang was vulnerable even to fusil bullets... Shame of a plane. >:[
If I were an Allied WWII fighting pilot and were offered the choice between a P-51 and a P-40, I wouldn´t hesitate the least. I´d never entrust my life to such a fragile artefact like the damned P-51, even if the P-40 is not such as good an interceptor. Why? Because it´s almost impossible to escape unhit from a combat. Besides, I love P-40´s design much better.