3" Quad? 1106 vs 1507 Motors discussion
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2018
- You want a 3" quad but want to know should you build one with 1106 motors or 1507 Motors?
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Nice light builds! My geprc sparrow, with only 1306b motors, still weighs about *127g! Yours are super clean!
Good comparison video!
For me, I switched from a 1407 3” 4S setup to a 1105 3” 2S as my race quad this season. I run the 650mah 2S CNHL 70c batteries. I can race for 2:30 and come down at 3.75v. I do HV charge them though. Racing a 2S quad in the open 5” class is not for everyone but since there is no micro class... I love it! I have several videos on my channel showing me racing my 2S quad if you want to see how it performs. 👍🏻
Yes I would love to see 2s on a track!
czcams.com/video/Yq4gFkwKT1k/video.html
Let's say i have an iflight bumblebee with 1507 3300kv motors and 3045 props and i want to frankenstein the electronics into a lighterwheight frame like those ones... which frame should i get?
Really nice, dude. Great comparison.
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Same here, well done!
Will these 1507 motors work on a tyro 79?
I just built the massive droner using the same motors and the new magnum mini v2, are you running betaflight with stock PIDs?
I am using Butterflight 3.5 on all my quads at the moment. I start with stock pids, and then tune to make sure oscillations and heat in the motors are gone. For this size and KV, it usually means moving the D's down considerably, all of my D's end up 18-24. I also reduce P and I incrementally until P term oscillations are gone. (when you hit throttle as you are changing directions like making a turn and going back the other way and you get a high frequency shake). I reduce 3-4 at a time until these are mostly gone. Same steps would apply for betaflight. Hope this helps.
I was thinking about going to butter flight. That's what I am running on all my 5 inch ones. The little guy has a ton of oscillations on the stock settings.
I run 1507 4100kv motors on my 3” Acrobrat, it is a beast, arguably one of my best.
awesome! def one of my favs
I'm going to run a Diatone Mamba F405 Mini Mk3 F35 3-6S 20x20 Stack on a 3 inch tadpole frame. Motor recommendation? I am pretty lost on my first build. Something tells me I'm going to find out that I'm buying parts that won't go together very well or at all.
That won’t work on a tadpole. Tadpole can only do 16x16 stack or 25mm toothpick board
@@JonE5FPV thanks
may you just put a time into the description where you start to talk about the TOPIC ????? OMG!
Been trying to get to the point a hit faster in the newer videos. This was one of my first 10 (close to 200 under my belt now)
If you have a chance check out one from 2020 and let me know if it’s any better.
@@JonE5FPV thanks for answering to my raging!
I just wanted to find out, if I could fly my future 220g 3" (iFlight DC3) on 1104 5000kV GepRC motors (on 4s). I was unable to get this info from your video, but you may just give me a hint this way? ^^
09:10 it starts
So why is there no 3 inch class for racing. They tend to be faster than 5 inch. Is it the flight time or for what reason?
Thanks man
It is an interesting question. We did try 3" class at the Drone Wars event video I did that you can check out. Large OSD = 3", small OSD text = 5"
Here are my thoughts.
1 - More people race 5", we had about 22 people racing 5" that night, and only 9-10 3" (i was doing both)
2 - 5" is the fastest and most people want to race the fastest
3 - Even 3" (at least on 1507 like i was running) was very fast for the indoor track, basically an indoor soccer arena. Interestingly almost everyone (including the winner and me in 3rd place) scored more laps on 3" than the did on 5"
4 - The winner was actually running a 2.5" on 4s (Massive droner). I may run a 2.5" if they have another race there on 2s
5 - I believe 5" are more able to take crashes, usually 3" are thinner carbon, the motors are more easily bent etc...
6 - Turtle Mode would be impossible in most even short grass since the props are that much smaller.
That said, my chapter has already said we will do more 2.5-3" races this next season, so stay tuned to see more of it.
@@JonE5FPV thanks for the great reply!
So if you finished more laps on 3 inch... Why do you say 5 inch is the fastest in point number 2?
Or do you think it was that much faster due to the smaller track?
I think on large open tracks a 5 inch will be faster due to it carrying more momentum so it is easier to go faster and keep the momentum through the track on 5 inch if there is allot of straights. That being said a 3 inch is however more times than not faster on straight punches than a 5 inch. This is not the winning factor due to it may be faster but takes allot out of tge current battery technology for 3 inch and as soon as you back of the throttle the 3 inch reduces speed faster than a five inch carrying more momentum would.
This is why on a small track a 3 inch would easily out perform because now momentum doesn't play as big of a role
@@philipbrits2984 Yes it is definitely the size of the track that made the difference in the Drone Wars Event. On most normal events, a 3" could keep up in the turns, but it will be much slower in the straights. I dont see this as a huge issue, in fact i saw Imaginary Ace fly his 3" droner at the Track Or Treat event for one round Sunday.
I can tell you issues can arise mixing sizes from last year when i broke all my 5" and decided to switch to my 2" that i had with me to try to get some laps. It was nimble enough, and seemed fast enough in my neighborhood. The issue that happened is that i was so much slower i caused people to crash into me twice in 2 different rounds because in addition to being slow, people could not see me on the track because i was so small.
Also, many of the larger events are in grassy areas, where even a 5" can dissappear for minutes at a time where we all end up looking around. This will be compounded with smaller craft.
I think the skill needed for building 3" or smaller is also slightly higher because the 20x20 boards are a little smaller.
The momentum you are mentioning is a thing, but if you get the right motor/prop combo and tune, you should be able to turn on a dime with a 5" just as easily as a 2.5" or 3". For me this motor size is 2405 for 4s or 2207 for 6s. The high torque allows you to make last second corrections without the worry of momentum pulling you along into an obstacle.
Another thought I sometimes have, is that 3" is so fast now, you almost need a track just as large as a 5" to really be able to run. I also find my 3" sometimes difficult to stay in air for 2.5mins pushing hard. I have a video coming soon on a 2.5" 2s setup, that seems light, maneuverable and pretty efficient. I may end up doing a 2" vs 2.5" vs 3" vs 4" vs 5" and see how they all compare.
@@JonE5FPV can you please post your pids for your droner
can you place 140XX or 15XX motors on a 2.5"?
As far as I know there are no 2.5” props that take a full size prop nut. I believe the avenger motor can mount up to a 2.5” frame as the bottom of the motor has 2 different bolt patterns.
However a prop with a full size prop nut is needed. Smallest size props I am aware of that use full size nut is 3”
You could use the new emax 1306b or their new 1408 motors. They use t style :) cheers
on a windy day they work great
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Mamba F405 20x20 40 amp esc F4 fc. $47 at bangood. Can you review it please? Looks good on paper
Yes. I have done a review on this a few weeks ago! Check it out.
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Jon E5 thanks you so much. I should have looked around more. Great channel. You reviewed what I wanted before I could ask
For 3inch drone is better. 1306. 4000kv or 1408 3600kv help me choose because I'm in a quandary over this one..I'd be very grateful if you could help
I have not tried 1408 yet but i will have the new emax version soon. I am guessing it will be close to 1507 3600.
Larger will be more power with less flight time, and the smaller will be less power, less weight but more efficiency.
Do you want super speed? Or just something fun and light?
I have been impressed with how light the 1306 is, but it is not as much power as the larger ones.
Flying fast, id say the 1306 can get about 60-70 seconds more flight time than the larger motors since they use up power quickly.
@@JonE5FPV I feel like I disagree with this common misconception. You are also going faster with the larger motors. And the frame is much heavier. That's probably why you lose flight time.
On the bench, those 1408s are more efficient than the 1306 at the same thrust.
@@JonE5FPV Thank you Jon your explanation was helpful
Now I understand which one I should choose.. Yes i want super speed
If your are cruising larger can be efficient yes. But if you fly fast larger will always be faster and also use more power.
@@Aisyaba lol, yeah. Long story short go with the 1408 motors. They JUST released these as my 1306b's came in -.-
Have you tried the Japalura 3” frame?
I have not tried the japalura but I talk about it some in the massive droner review video link in the description.
IMO the japalura is an awesome design but much to heavy. I loved my Armattan chameleon. But the massive droner allows you to use the same components for the most part and save a substantial amount of weight.
@@JonE5FPV yeah it's much better in its 4inch form
Or 1306b/1408b?
Both will be good, one more power, more more efficiency
@@JonE5FPV mmmm you sure? 1408 motors are more efficient in terms of total thrust. Maybe the 1408 quad will be heavier and less efficient? Maybe not?
@@JonE5FPV *bigger motors are almost always more efficient.
Flight time is lost to extra weight, and a higher potential amp draw/speed.
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