What If Germany Was Exiled To Kazakhstan in 1945?
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Germanistan
Deuschistan
Kazachsland
The Fourth Reich
Deutchstan
Kazachny
So.. do all the Kazakhs go to Germany?
Sounds like a great solution
Borat in Berlin
@@rorymoore9269Bruno
@@chombus2602 ja
💀
Germans in Germany and Austria: **gets deported to Kazakhstan**
Germans in Switzerland: **chuckles** I’m in danger.
The newly French residents of Alsace and Lorraine: whew, that was close! 😅
Germans in Luxemburg and Belgium: stay quiet and hope they don't see us
Germans in Netherlands (a lot of Dutch dialects in the east of the Netherlands share a lot of similarities with Rhineland Germans more than with the Frysians or Western Dutch): F**K
Germans in the New World (IE the Americas and Australia and New Zealand to some extent): *looks afar across the pond*
Germans in lichtenstein:
Never underestimate germans
If we turned Germany into a desert they would make a glass factory
Kazakhstan is not a desert. I mean we have desert, but mostly steppes. Imagine nomadic Germans with cosmodrome and rich resources. And only my ancestors conquered Russia, Europe's wet dreams.
Maybe the Kazakhs would kill then or something due to conflicts.
This honestly - Zollverein Zentralasien becomes a huge economic bloc in this timeline
As an American I am certifiably able to say that any attempt to relocate a large group of people across a continent against their will is a bad move and will result in soured relations for hundreds of years.
_I don't think the germans in this timeline going to give up the Austrian painter ideology_
They might create a new National socialist state in Kazakhstan and attempt damage control and will likely attempt revenge for the loss of the homeland
Nein, wir wollen eine dritte Runde und das Ende ist nuklear. Wirf uns aus unserer Heimat und wir werden mit großem menschlichen Leid zurückschlagen.
What about the natives
He was referring to them.@@LMapan
We dont care, they lost.
I love this video. Absolutely ridiculous, absurd and fun while still being educational and very seriously considering the scenario.
Of all the alternate history scenarios you have covered, Possible History, this is one of them.
Lol
possible genozid, yes. because it is impossible to move 70 million people from one location to another and assume "it will work well".
An besides thise there was actually a german refugee movement after wwII due to territorial losses in the eastern part of germany.
"the soviets must provide food and water"
Stalin laughing maniacally
Holodomor part 2 electric boogaloo
I believe that the German people wouldn’t go down without a fight in terms of this relocation attempt, which may lead to a massive insurrection within Germany itself as the war for the Germans takes on a new meaning and does the one thing the Allies wanted to avoid at all cost… proving Hitler and the Nazi’s right.
I mean they already proved him right back then and now too, so.....
@@a3cools115 how did you arrive at that conclusion?
@@sirpsychosecksi4953 Do I really point it out, have you not been aware of the events that have happened in the last 50+ plus years to many count and to many to spoon feed you about.
@@a3cools115 even just pointing out one or two situations would be good because at this point you're just spewing literal neo nazi rhetoric without any attempt of backing up your claim at all
be reasonable, if you say something back it up with data, so your claim can be argued on it's merit, and not stand there as a baseless claim
For instance, the Nazi Party said that WW2 was the fight for the survival of the German "race" from total annihilation, I am German, my family goes back to before Germany was a thing, we still exist even though we lost the war.
In a matter of fact 5.5 Million military aged men died as soldiers and 6.6 to 8.8 Million Civilians died, not even speaking of the, by the Nazis themselves well documented, mass extermination of what they claimed were sub humans. These are just the deaths of WW2 associated with modern day Germany.
So it logically concludes that around 11.1 to 13.3 Million Germans died because of the Nazis War directly. Thus for the "survival of the german race" the better plan would have been to stay at peace.
Conclusion:
The Nazis killed indiscriminately, the Nazis were a cancer on society that turned history for the worse. Nazis have no reason to be redeemed, they are for good reason seen as a warning in German schools today, because the surviving Germans did integrate back into european and world wide civilization and swore to teach future generations of the horrors the Nazis and Nationalism in general caused, so it can be averted before it takes hold ever again
@@a3cools115 based
Honestly, it kind of suprised me that you did not consider giving Voralberg to Switzerland, as it almost became one of their cantons after WW1
as a citicen of Vorarlberg i support this message. Give me my Schöckli!
It would violate Swiss neutrality
@@mastersafari5349 It actually wouldn't, several neutral countries in history got territories despite not participating in a war ( Denmark after WW1, for example ) .
@@justamoravian1042 And it usually worked out well!
…unless the name of your country starts with a B.
It would ultimately have little basis because the people who voted in that plebiscite for Voralberg to join Switzerland have now been deported.
As a former Husavi fan, this is equally cursed and blessed at the same time. Congratulations, you outdid Whatifalthist.....
Former Husavi fan? Did he do something wrong? (Besides being polish)
@@tiagomd3811 🦆 you
@@tiagomd3811 And what is wrong with being polish?
@@tiagomd3811 just makes cringeworthy videos, is kinda cringe in general tbh
@@quartzking3997 :(
"We should take germany, and push it somewhere else!"
-A certain starfish
Patrick Starlin.
You should do a similar one where Hungarians move to Mongolia to be with their brothers and sisters!
Slovak dream
@@user-zn7nd5ti6w U got it.
Romanian dream
dude hungery still originated near or in europe
it's not like turkey and Azerbaijan who colonized Anatolia and the Caucasus
Hungarian and mongolian are in two different langauge groups. They are at best distantly related. It would make more sense for them to move to just west of the urals
I love how Poland moved to Northern Ireland in your thumbnail.
I love imagine having entire countries in weird location. It would be fun to do an alternative history scenario with more countries in WW2 for example. Like the famous Listenbourg, next to Spain or France (depending on the author). It would also be interesting to see what would happen if a country like Germany or lets say the Weimar Republic suddenly emerged in the Atlantic Ocean in 1936. Like an exact copy of Germany from 10 years earlier.
Does it make sense? No, but I love imagining the effects of what that would have. How would the world and the new Weimar Republic react. Would they join the allies and what would happen to citizens of the Weimar Republic that are known to be Axis supporters. Would this new country be seen as "Germany" if they are identical or would people use propaganda to differentiate. What is a people is always subjective after all.
The Isles of weimaria. A homeland of germans
If only Alternative Migration were a more popular concept in AltHistory than hecking "Germany wins WW2, the world is oppressed"
@@Kromiball ong, i want to see a "what if france moved 100 km west in 1939"
@@athazis1532 100 km of French people are now homeless. Look at what you’ve done. With these characters homelessness the thread of fate has been altered.
@@wildfire9280 now lets move germany 50 km east.
I love that you are actually making good use of “what if” scenarios instead of using it to dovetail into weirdo trad talking points. I haven’t watched this yet, but the Mars invasion scenario was amazing
i think its likley that this scenario would involve a LOT of germans leaving "new germany", illegally at first and then as the decades roll on and the idiots who came up with this plan step down from power, legally. which would mean a large german diaspora in the rest of the soviet union, other central asian countries like afghanistan, iran and maybe india and probably some more western countries if they can secure transport
i think we would see some kind of weird deja vue, similar to the jewish ppl after Rome expelled the jewish ppl from their province back then. I think we would have a similar situation but in the 20th century if that scenario would have become true.
I think the German people would at most probably migrate to Afghanistan, the other central Asian Soviet republics, Siberia, the Urals and parts of China.
Though if this new Germany can somehow miraculously build up good infrastructure and industry especially with the resources Kazakhstan has then it would become quite a power in the region, after the fall of the USSR it would be interesting if this new Germany can unite all of the central Asian republics including Afghanistan and become a new superpower, maybe they might even be able to take Siberia and have a coast there.
@@cqpp you're falling into the trap of thinking about modern day politics through the lens of historic conquests.
modern states don't expand by war. and when they do its in tiny chunks
@@duskpede5146 in our timeline yes you are indeed correct as that would mean your economy goes bust from all the sanctions you will receive and the coalition that will be formed against you.
However in this timeline where over 70 million are deported in the middle of steppeland removing any high ground for the allies, it is plausible to assume that wars of conquests still do exist, though expanding in central asia might inevitably alienate China, Russia and Iran.
@@cqpp i mean its also a case of wars not being profitable. there's less loot to plunder, you can't tax the people you've conquered since you just destroyed all their homes and they're more than able to fund, organise and know that a resistance is good for them.
america didn't pull out of korea, vietnam, iraq and Afghanistan due to sanctions. they did it because war, especially wars of conquest in the modern age are just not winnable. can you think of a single war after ww2 that ended with a transfer of territory? there's russia in crimea, which was a small amount of territory with a lot of problems tied to it. and then the kashmir war, which was a couple mountain passes with no one living in. its all independence, regime changes or puppet governments.
4:25 LMAO "It didn't happen but they deserved it"
funnily enough this is what anouther group of people say today aboit anouther near extinction event
bro the fact that you made me interested in this scenario is absolutely criminal, great job
The unclaimed strip of former German land could end up being a buffer zone managed by the united states with a few military bases. Later on, the Unites States could give settlement rights in the new land to any Europeans being brought out of the African colonies.
I think the Kazakhs should have the land for compensation for Germans settling in their homelands.
@@1mol831yeah it would also reduce the chaos in the new Germany and allow the soviets to use that land for compensation
Love these occasional videos man! Keep up the good work!
Truly blessed 🙏
Yoo husavi is here no way 🫡 why are you Polish?
Fuck, I wish it would still happen.
Wait, you advocated for this? Nevwrmind then my opinion of you has dropped.
@@cqpp Who wouldn't?
@@gunterxvoices4101 I don't, whatever are your reasons for supporting such a clause.
I'm from Kazakhstan and I'm not even against the idea. We've got enough empty land and we're not punctual and accurate. At least we've got a sense of humor. Germans and Kazakhs have a lot to teach to each other
Loved it! Please do this for more countries, it would be hilarious!
i'm so grateful that i found this channel, i watched like 3 of these videos in one go while i thought i was watching some big and old CZcamsr, you deserve way more than what you have
It partially did when the volga germans were resettled to Kazakhstan they were nearly even given a autonomy by the soviets in the end of 70s or beginning of 80s
I think the only semi-realistic possibity for anything like this to happen would be that somehow Germany doesn’t invade the Soviet Union, The Soviet Union doesn’t invade Germany in 1944 as planned (maybe meaning the Germans lose before then), Soviet-German relations remain very very good, and the German government though not the German people (probably some diehard supporters) are allowed to setup a new government in Kazakh territory by Stalin.
that's kind of what is thought when i saw the thumbnail
It would also accelerate National-Bolshevism into existence I think, which would (potentially?) allow for a more innovative Soviet Union (if they don't impose communism on Germany that is), which would essentially allow the USSR to actually beat America, since the constant innovations created in Germany would be spat out en masse by Soviet Industry (which would also be improved by German engineers).
@@Wendeta-hq2cp Capitalism is not a requirement for innovation. Much of the technology that makes up the modern world comes from US's attempt to replicate the USSR's innovative success. Capitalism's only strength here is mass market adoptation, but not the innovations themselves.
@@sevret313
Yeah, but communism doesn't push competition, which is what US's capitalism encouraged, in turn allowing the US to eventually speed past a Soviet Union that began lagging behind, in spite of the fact that the Soviets had more resources to work with and attributed them in a much more effective manner.
Capitalism goes hand in hand with free market. It is the free market that actually pushes for innovation, with capitalism creating the competitive spirit necessary for people to try and make the innovations.
I'm not much of a fan of capitalism or communism though, honestly. I much more prefer a mixed economy. :/
@@Wendeta-hq2cp Again no, capitalism does not encourage innovation as innovation is quite inefficient when it comes to beating your competition.
Research is what brings innovation and this works well without any direct profit motives.
If this happened Borat wouldn't be funny because it would the german sense of humour.
The Kazakhs get the remaining German lands to set up a new Kazakhstan.
Why not the Kazakhs expel the Germans into China.
I find it satisfying when serious consideration is given to the consequences of such things happening. Like for a moment logic was suspended, and then once it returns, everyone has to try to keep their marbles as they try to deal with what just happened.
I was watching one of your videos when this was uploaded.
Well if you're doing what ifs with unrealistic mass movement of people, then could you do a video on what if Kissinger accepted Mao's offer of 100 million Chinese women?
the WHAT
@@cosmosyn2514 That was unfortunately suggested.
Amazing video
I watched the Husavi Production video when it came out but didn't expect anyone to add to it lol. You could do one of his hidden endings every year for april fools, it could be funny/
As for the German lands not claimed by anyone, the solution is a no brainer. You deported Germans to Kazakhstan, so logically the UN should invite the Kazakhs to colonize that unclaimed land and make Kazakhstan a fully European country.
Ok, but how does this effect the 2020 election?
Alternative title: What if the Soviet Union decided to collapse earlier due to heavy costs of funding the relocation of Germany into Kazakhstan
Interesting video
I saw the title in the feed, and came in for an argument. Great vid. ;)
I can remember this being my intro to this channel, haven't looked back since
Honestly, Possible History, I believe that Churchill's plan to recreate the Austro-Hungarian Empire would have had a much bigger potential for being recreated now that Bavaria and Austria, (the proposed areas to rebuild the empire,) would have been sigificantly reduced in population. It's really hard to say how much integration Hanover and the surrounding regions would have in Britain, (which I think we can agree on.) Also, I think Switzerland would take some land as well, if the allies offered it. But overall, I doubt that Germany would have been completely cleansed of it's population, especially since, as u said, it would be costly in both money and lives to execute. But without the Rhineland, Germany's population would never have been as enormous as it was, essentially putting Germany on the same peg as Czeckoslovakia and the other smaller states.
Finally the important questions are getting asked
Bro it's just a prank
The prank:
imagine if the acctual land was moved
Thank you for coming to this session of Alcohol Abuse rehab
Well, I didn't expect to see you analyze a silly topic from Husavi, but here we are!
"There is no way that the Allied powers of WW2 would've purposely signed onto a plan that would decimate the German population to this extent" One word...well two. MORGENTHAU plan
I always love these kinds of things, more in the vain of a lost army holding out in a remote area, but this too is truly blessed
Ah, a proper way to discuss history
55k views in 5 days. This channel is finally being appreciated
I saw that video! Cool!
This is one of the alternate history scenarios of all time.
This is one of the comments of all time
THis is possibly the oddest yet best scenario that I will ever watch, I'll edit this comment with my thoughts later (if I remember to)
Soviet union: THAT'S IT, im relocating you all to Kazakhstan!
Kazakh people: does that mean we get to move to germany?
Soviet Union: hahahaha no.
When it's 3:47 in the morning and you got to wake up early but you just gotta know what if nazi germany got exiled in kazakhstan
This is the alternate history scenario of all time
I would love a "What if the US and The Udssr unite Video.
Not in terms of plausibility but as a way of exploring the possibilities and risks this absolute hegemon would face.
Im not aware how you create your vids but Im happy to provide a written scenario, or at least a framework if you require me to.
Maybe something about the social democrats winning the Russian civil war, america being more prone to Socdems, increased cooperation, yadda yadda, some form of union.
USA annexes the USSR as a 51st state.
@@SuperZombieBrosno. It would be another 50 states to make 100.
Random Kazakh confusedly looking at 80 million Germans marching to his backyard in this timeline.
If this has happened i have a meme:
Deutschlandistanis explaining how they're grandfathers are Central Europeans ( people in Deutschlandstan are Europeans that now are Asians)
I was just picturing the allies digging germany out of the land and dragging it to kazahkstan and then theres just the sea id germany in its place
This is random but could you consider making a scenario where Britain and France became allies after the seven years war like Old Britannia discussed as a possibility in his video on British foreign policy between 1763 and 1776?
Quoting Stalin at the Yalta Conference "We do a little trolling on German population"
Hey man,with wath aplications do you make this maps?
I wonder if the West would deny an expulsion like this being a genocide like a lot of Turks do in our timeline
I love it, it looks like a HOI4 peace deal.
This is epic
ah yes possible history always answering all our questions like what if germany moved to kazakhstan
As someone from Kazakhstan I can say that I would like Germany to move here
1:44 love this one
Unfathomably cursed
Thank you
Can you do Kalmykian Hungary next?
There are already a lot of Germans in Kazakhstan. I wonder how they'll react to this scenario?
Kazakhstan mentioned 🇰🇿🦅
I feel like one plausible thing is that some of the south western Germany becoming cantons of Switzerland as a way for them to dodge this whole mess. Given that the Swiss have a largely German portion already and would stay neutral I think everyone else would go "Sure?" and just let it happen. I can't imagine this going too far, stopping eastward at Bavaria and northwards a good bit below the Rhineland, but still given how places in Austria and even all of Leitchenstein almost became cantons and then some, it sounds like they would get at least something
Kinda confused how you didnt mention the 10+ mil germans that were expelled from former eastern territories of germany and czechia in our timeline lol
Funnily enough, there are actually a lot of ethnic Germans living in Kazakhstan (over 200,000)
Seems like someone drank a bit too much at The Yalta Conference....
This is litterally genocide tho. I seriously doubt that the allies could do this and then cry about the holocaust (which was the main, if not only, de-legitimization of the nazi cause). The fact that germans were chased out of eastern europe after WW2 was already borderline hypocrisy which could only be justified by the fact that the settlement of those germans was part of the nazi genocide in eastern europe.
Ironically the most visible effect of this was not covered by the previously mentioned justification: moving the german border west and dividing east prussia between poland and russia. The people who lived there were also moved by the allies and were forced to live in in east germany.
I was so confused when i saw the title
Only 300 bc-1945 mfs remembrr when germany was in europe 🗣💯
where can i find the app he's using for the map
8:51 Absolutely hillarious the fact that the land remaining in central Europe is reminiscent of a nuclear mushroom cloud
Stalin: Finally the Krauts can't invade us anymore
100.000 central asian bowmen of horse back: EEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the Germans in this timeline would be very upset at both sides of the Cold War. Because not only their population suffered because of the Nazis, but because they also got kicked out of their own land and into the hands the Soviets which wouldn't be kind to them at all. Making the allies of both the Soviet Union and the West at fault. I believe this type of action would be like the end of World War 1. A nation of people in ruined, but the ideology still survives.
The blursed ending is Switzerland annexing Germany and integrating the territory into more cartons for the Federal Assembly
There was way more arguments for shipping the entire nation to Kazakhstan than i thought
Here's a fun idea how about ask your subscribers to make fan made countries but in certain time periods Indian history
like the Bronze Age classical age medieval times and the Renaissance that would be fun and they don't have to be one video you can have a few videos on each time period 😊
I thought it was just the no-no leadership and most fanatics who were to be exiled to escape Allied occupation.
I was gifted a full scenario instead. Thank you, PH!
How about creating a Romani Gypsie state in what's left of Germany. After all, they, too, were an unsettled, displaced people, chased and persucuted wherever they were. Giving them a nation to call their own would allow them to gain a true national identity, and they would be able to leave behind their nomadic lifestyle.
As a person from Kazakhstan I'm so confused right now.
I prefer to rotate it 90 degrees clockwise.
Here is a fun alternate history scenario and Hitler's worst nightmare Slavic Germany because there were lots of people that lived in East
Prussia and East Germany, if any of you have played ck3, you know about them, but it makes me interested what a Slavic Hitler be like🤔
Hitler was austrian
A Slavic Hitler would want to unite all Slavic lands instead, so no Lebensraum needed?
As a person from kazakhstan It sounds good
8:44 bro knew what he was doing with czechoslovakias shape💀💀💀
What about an independent Sorbia?
The fuck is sorbia
@@ImperialZorn686 There is a slavic ethnic minority in Germany which are called the sorbians
They would most likely be genocided and moved along with the rest of the Germans.
Odd yet interesting scenario.
P.S. Can you consider covering a scenario where Poland and former Warsaw Pact/SU countries form the Intermarium.
Germany would likely have high birth rates, the people in reaction to deaths would become more prolific
Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 is the best country in the world
I now have new nightmares. . .
I think a good way of going about it is to maybe create a possible gypsy state within the remains of the unoccupied lands and maybe a new kazakh state in there so that the kazakhs in Kazakhstan can have a more depopulated place to live since there would be massive overpopulation in old Kazakhstan