Game Theory: Why Everyone HATES YouTube Shorts… And You Should Too!
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What do you think about CZcams Shorts? Since their release, they've seemingly been one of the most polarizing new features ever launched on the platform. What seems like fun little short-form videos may actually have MUCH larger ramifications across the platform and the creator economy as a whole. So put those swiping fingers away and let's chat friends.
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#CZcams #CZcamsShorts #Shorts #MetaTheory #Meta #TikTok #ViralVideo #CZcamsUpdate #Theory #GameTheory #Matpat - Hry
It really saddens me how CZcams is moving away from longer videos. That's what I go to CZcams for. For the creators for listening to what they say
100% I actually use and love Tik Tok, more than I should, and I love CZcams for the longer videos. I don't want shorts on CZcams, despite consuming a bunch of that content on other platforms
EXACTLY! I want to have a discussion that forces me to use my brain, to actually THINK
It’s so annoying. I go to youtube to watch longer videos and all I get is shorts shoved in my face.
Me too! I love CZcams because I can rewatch my favorite long videos to listen to in the background.
Yeah fr
As someone with adhd I have been avoiding CZcams shorts and tik tok like the plague because I already have a bad attention span and I DO NOT want it to get worse
Same here, and I swear it feels like even my attention span is still better than most of my classmates who use tiktok and all that!
As a neurodivergent. Been avoiding ticktock and hate certain shorts because of the sounds some of the videos make. I like picking and choosing over scrolling.
@@Jimpipecigarbearthis. If I’m going to watch a short, I’m not going to the shorts tab. I’m going to pick one from like 8
It's funny because as someone with adhd I've always hated tiktok and shorts because it's impossible to have them as something to listen to in the background when I've got a long drive or want to do some chores. Can't even use mini player on CZcams shorts like regular CZcams videos to check other stuff on my phone. I literally don't have the attention span for shorts.
I completely oppose short form content like tiktok and CZcams shorts because of how addictive it is. the worst thing about CZcams shorts is that I can’t even mute it or delete it.
I like how he foreshadowed his announcement of stepping down and straight up told us he had a "dramatic couch episode penciled in for January"
Tok tok is for kids.
@@ignacyantkiewicz8654bro your a kid 😂😂
@@ignacyantkiewicz8654 what is tok tok?
@@ignacyantkiewicz8654what's a toktok 💀😭
You totally hit the nail on the head of why I prefer CZcams to TikTok, even though they're so similar now with shorts. I HATE how passive TikTok is. I like to actively determine what I'm consuming. And I love interacting in the comments with others and really connecting with the creatots. It's been bugging me for awhile why i can't stand TikTok and this is exactly why
“Normally this would be a dramatic chat on the couch but I’ve already got that pencilled in for January” oh boy did he 😭
yea sad
I watched that one first. Before this one.
The most dramatic couch talk ever
He really meant it
Don't remind me 😔
CZcams really needs to make a “Restricted Shorts Mode” setting where you can block shorts from showing up on your Home Screen, remove the shorts tab from the app, and block scrolling if you find a short through search.
Theres an extention i use
Settings >General >turn off playback on feeds
How it's called
I agree to this SOOO MUCH like I feel as if I don’t get to enjoy all the long form videos anymore. I wish I could have an extension but I’ve always watched on my phone haha so I guess it doesn’t help with shorts
@@Chris-rg6nm tell me more - what's it called?
"Now normally, this would be a dramatic MattChat on the couch, but I've already got that one penciled in for January."
Hearing that after the whiplash of "Goodbye Internet" two days ago is WILD 😭
Yeah… it is for me too.
We will miss matpat
I GASPED WHEN I REALISED HE MENTIONED IT SO EARLY ON
2:21 now I know what this means
Realizing that shorts and TikTok’s are passive as opposed to active explain why I feel so disgusted when I watch them for like half an hour cause I’m not doing anything, I hate being passive and stagnant, so this definitely explains it
Same
Yeah, except I can't watch more than 2 shorts cause 1. Not what I came for, 2. It immediately goes to something I don't even care about
I would recommend "Hide Shorts for CZcams", it's a browser extension that will hide all youtube shorts
I only watch 4 shorts that are shown to me because I don't want to keep watching shorts, not what I came for, but the reason why it's 4 is because they're interesting
Don't pretend like you're somehow any less passive or stagnant if you spend 3 hours on CZcams.
Co-signed. One additional thought: CZcams is not discussing the overall impacts of shorts on society in general.
Heya Destin
11.4M subs DANG
I am kinda glad I used to watch this instead of shorts when I was little.
Sup mate!
LETHAL COMPANY LORE.. please?
MatPat told us he was quitting secretly 2:16 😢
I just realized Matt forshadowed his talk about leaving Game Theory around the beginning, at 0:29 the CZcams title says “Say goodbye to your favorite CZcamsrs” and he says his couch chat will be later in January.
That last point you made is right on the money - and adding to your point, many shorts creators feel themselves inferior to long-form youtubers. We feel like we're less worthy of being called a "CZcamsr" because we can't manage to make the switch to long form content, or because we feel like our viewers don't care about us nearly as much. It adds to the burn-out and emotional toll of an isolated job a wholeeee lot. Personally, even though my entire internet presence was built off shorts, I'm really really disheartened by the effect they've have had on youtube as a whole.
wsg danno
i am taking first so no kid can say it
DANNO?? what are you doing here 😭
@@DingdongShingydotQuandaledinle your 2nd but i see why
@@ToshibaXD.He likes game theory
I definitely realized the addictive powers of CZcams shorts. I wish they would make it a separate app at least to remove the temptation.
I agree, as someones who's content almost solely relies on shorts a separate app would be great
there is a separate app, called tiktok
there HAS to be a setting where you can block them from the home page
@@olz33ReVanced
@@olz33 yeah i literly cant watch a fun fideo if it isnt FERY fun as in FERY without watching a short mid fideo
Who would have guessed his matpat Couch Talk was going to be goodbye internet
😢
2:17 I just realized he hinted at his quitting days before.
One thing that has really bothered me about shorts especially when I follow a creator that does exclusive shorts content is finding the shorts you WANT to watch. Unlike long form videos if you go to someone's channel and look through their shorts none of them have the title listed so you just have to pick one based on the one frame of the short you see and hope it's what you want. Makes refinding a short to share with someone a nightmare.
yup or when you see an old short mentionning an update in 2 months so you gotta dig through their shorts to find the update
And the fact that you can't even see whether or not you've already watched a short, to help you filter through the content when you're trying to watch a series you stumbled upon, but don't know where the rest of it is.
@@faithhellman402 the basic solution is to add the red border on watched shorts and hoping that the creator will set a template of what the video it was, also if there was a list button[that shows the shorts as video detailed format] . near the popular botton on short page
As someone who basically only makes shorts, this is true even for the creators themselves
Definitely a struggle to find previously watched shorts. I will say I've been able to find shorts I've watched in my watch history though.
Another thing I really don’t like about shorts is when I try to search for unspecific videos it shows SO MANY shorts rather than videos
Right?! Thats a real problem
@@TeenPerspektiva there needs to be an option to exclude shorts from searches
If you never want to see shorts again, get the 'hide youtube shorts' extension on your browser
@@Keyga But then they wont get money!! Paying? Who, their creators? So that there are more creators, and thus more money? Never heard of that...
That and showing "recommended for you". Like I already see these same videos on my home page and side bars, I'm looking for a specific video/type of video. There's a reason I clicked "search" and not "recommended".
"creators always go out of style, burn out, quit..."
Coming back to this video after watching the big announcement video. It really painted the picture of what’s happening to CZcams creators right now
I hate them personally for how addictive they can be and be unremovable,
but I do like how it helps boost some channels.
Don't read my name!..
In case you want to to get rid of them, you could always get a shorts remover plugin.
@@gelubra44For some reason I assumed that didn't exist and never checked. Thanks!
On the desktop version of CZcams, you can hide Shorts for 30 days by clicking the X.
@@BangerContent + ur a ni
I think it would be great if CZcams made it more obvious how to move to regular videos of creators while I scroll through shorts. Instead of having looping videos, allowing creators to have them not loop and have a recommended screen, or at least have it show for a few seconds before looping.
DIDNT ASK + I MAKE BETTER CONTENT SO CRY
Jesus the bots
I am so freaking tired of bots on every large CZcams channel, and it's just completely unrelated content.
@@DiamondPizza1Me too
GOD I HATE THE UTTP
2:20 the january couch chat destroyed us all
2:18 , Matpat loves foreshadowing, even his retirement💀
the amount of times i’ve felt literally hypnotized by shorts while trying to do something else annoys me to no end and i feel like i need some kind of off option to stop CZcams shorts or Instagram reels from popping up in my results
Well you can easily block shorts on a modded CZcams app.
It's called ReVanced. An open souce frontend to CZcams.
Oh yes, it must be considered a dangerous mental drug and be supplied with a warning, like cigarettes.
😢I know
Someone commented that going into settings>general>stopping playback should help with them turning on automatically. I did that and while I was in the settings I also turned on a reminder to take breaks. This is also in settings>general. You can make the timer whatever you want. I hope that'll help at least a bit!
Foreshadowing Matpat leaving is nuts. The video title in the beginning, the upcoming January couch monologue, heartbreaking. But I’m happy for him ❤
2:15 FORESHADOWING? 😮
As a method of discovering new creators, shorts have some potential on CZcams. While I won't generally actively seek out someone's channel if I enjoyed their short, I would hope to start seeing their longer-form content show up on my video feed if I've been watching/liking their shorts or if I hit the subscribe button on their short. I'd like to imagine that this will happen with channels I might not have otherwise ever found.
I never knew CZcams shorts had its own game.
^bot
@@BangerContentstfu bot and go away
Wow you got double bots just report them and ignore them
@@BangerContentdon’t think we can’t see your arguments in your comment history, bot actor
Fr
This is why the 'link to full vid' feature is so amazing. It keeps the exporative nature of shorts, but makes it really easy to actually go to the creator themselves and foster a newfound fandom. More and more shorts are active advertisements for a channel or video, and I'm all for it
Yes, now if there was an option to limit the feed to those shorts specifically. then it is then just mainly a preview feed that is potentially an excellent tool for finding new creators that you would have never thought to actively search for. Like the preview short, maybe you will like their channel.
@@supercat765 this! i'm constantly looking for new creators to watch, and i love the idea of having a little preview short of their commentary/kind of content they produce or just their general vibe.
@@bbysieamy exact thoughts too
Yea but the ui for it is awful.
That's the first I've heard of that feature. Is there somewhere specific I have to click to get to a full vid from a short, or do content creators have to actively choose to add that feature if they want it?
This is actually something i have noticed recently, some channels that i watch suddenly dropped views from 200k+ in every video to barely reach 100k on the recent ones even though the content is pretty much the same.
1:57 THE NINJA SLIME
I CAME FOR SAME REASON
@@nowhere280fr
Sammmmemme
I CAME FOR SAME REASON 2
Raaaah us anthem plays Goku appears
The payout of this new Tiktok like approach has been a concern of mine for a while and a fear that it will become a reason for CZcams to double down. With how little shorts pay out, creators are forced to spam their channels with as many videos as possible to make any sort of income from it. Since we see a high volume of spammed content, youtube as a whole see’s a higher volume of traffic which allows them to take these new artificially inflated numbers to investors and rake in a higher profit. The problem to me is creators wont see their fair share of this higher profit and in a way rewarding youtube for this bad behavior. Which might be a reason they have been pushing creators so aggressively to take on this new video format (along with competition of course) and what feels like punishing them for not.
Just my 2 cents though. Glad you are getting the conversation surrounding shorts started! This video was pretty insightful.
I say this as someone who made 3 shorts that raked in 3 million views for a month and was paid only $18 for that work. I also find my channel being hit hard view wise not being recommended as much (despite retention and click through rate being incredibly high) and what feels like punishment from CZcams for refusing to post anymore shorts due to its low pay and high effort.
@@SomeThingElseYT...18? Wow. That's utterly absurd. 3 million is such an unimaginable number when you think about it, and only making 18 dollars out of that is astonishingly unsustainable
@@SomeThingElseYTyeah, $18 is DEFINITELY not enough for 3 million. Like, I heard CZcams shorts doesn’t pay that much, but I didn’t realise it was THAT little. Also, I completely agree with you Adam, this ‘shorts’ content concerns me. As a 13-18 year old, I don’t have TikTok. The whole reason I didn’t download it in the first place, is that I didn’t want to go down that endless loop of scrolling, but now that CZcams shorts is a thing, I’ve become a victim. And I hate it.
@@xtremesubber9136Can Use ReVanced and disable short feed , on homepage , recommendations etc .
oh my god its SomethingElseYT
Thanks for speaking out about this. It’s insanely discouraging to see CZcams pushing Shorts so hard, being what is now considered a “long-form” content creator. I’m finally starting to see decent traction this year, and knowing CZcams are working towards a future where I will have to choose between my passion or seeing continued growth is really unsettling. Fingers crossed they listen to feedback from all of us and can find a better balance.
Matpat inspires me, my parents said if I get 30k followers here. They'd buy me a better camera for recording.. begging u guys, literally begging
you don't even have content bro what are you on about@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriots
2:18 THE FORESHADOWING IS INSANE
Shorts made me realize I need long form videos
I can kind of personally relate to this.
When I was in the golden demographic, I watched a lot of channels like CinemaSins, High Boi, and, yes, Film Theory, and because of that I know notice so many of the little things in movies. I notice the plot holes, the odd lines, the things that just don't make sense, and I'm pretty sure I owe it a lot to those types of channels. Thanks for shaping me, MatPat.
I feel the same way ngl. If not for MatPat, I probably wouldn’t be able to gain a deeper understanding of media and would’ve just ignored all the plot holes and such within films.
Crazy how matt pat has gone from "mat pat the destroyer of childhoods" to "mat pat the guy how's telling you to not get your childhood destroyed"
He is a parent now....
He made the whole video to unhook his wife from tik tok... Kudos to him
The hero we needed but didn't deserve.
I have no idea who he is, his voice kinda irritates me so I think I'd remember hearing him before so he's gone from "unknown to kinda annoying guy that made a mid essay" for me 🤷♂️.
I really dislike the UI and just generally how TikTok works, but I'm in my mid 20s so my opinion hardly matters to CZcams... For the most part.
I'm also *slightly* concerned about what TikTok will do to future generations. I have ADHD, and I find the format frustrating and overwhelming, but that's also because I prefer 30+ minute videos that are more comprehensive to shorter form content - I can watch/listen while I do other stuff.
I feel like IG is the same bc they really are in full on competition with TikTok. It gets boring actually…just scrolling thru nameless content. That’s why I still love YT the most. When mindlessly scroll I can and when I want long form content I can have that too, and all in one app. Plus when I stop scrolling thru shorts, it just sends me back to the last long form video I was watching
2:20 the mad lad foreshadowing his retirement
Around 9-10 years ago when CZcams added autoplay, I always hated it and thought of it as a nuisance, because I always wanted to pick and search the videos I wanted to watch. Still to this day I never use it at all. Now I kind of understand why TikTok and all these other social media platforms have never interested me
I agree exactly with this, the first thing I always do on CZcams is make sure auto play is off
Fr
I'd get really mad at myself whenever I found myself having had scrolling for hours. I eventually started making conscious efforts to remove CZcams Shorts from my feed. CZcams Shorts is the first addiction I've kicked to the curb
Get the 'hide youtube shorts' browser extension, it completely removes even the temptation of clicking on one and you don't have to have them clogging up your recommended and home page.
Same! I'm so glad I finally got over the addiction, I found out that I wouldn't see the shorts easily if I used the browser on my phone or just kept using "do not reccomend" on the shorts showing up on the app home page. It took a while, but it feels much better knowing I'm not wasting hours scrolling through the toxicity and other stuff I don't like seeing just to get 1 occasional funny video.
if you turn off watch history they give you a 'turn it back on to see recommendations' message after like 1-2 shorts. does also turn off regular recommendations but mine were always bad anyway. you still get similar videos/shorts under whatever you watch and I find those are closer to what I'm interested in
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriots You are the living definition of why society is going downhill. Also give your mum's phone back kid 😂
@@captainbluescreen5713 you gotta love how the uttp annoyances got 0 likes but you got 26
The one reason is i dont like making them is because it always kicks me out and it’s literally like its so annoying im literally getting angry at it
you did indeed have a serious couch talk scheduled for january, god that made me cry so hard 😭😭
The biggest problem with yt shorts is that they are EXTREMELY popular with generation alpha. This is not only bad for that generations attention span etc but for creators like mat said
stop complaining
@@Mr.bigheadRetro bruh.
@@Mr.bigheadRetroblud is definitely an iPad kid 💀
@@GassedUpGangstersI own a iPad am I a ipad kid? I have really bad vision and since iPads are bigger I rather use a ipad then a phone. So like- what am I? (Even though I’m not a kid)
One of my friends' little brother is hooked to CZcams shorts and he is 3 yrs old
"this won't be a couch-talk. I got one of those planned for January, and that'll be more serious"
Didn't realize what he meant by that until now... I'm not crying, you're crying.
...No, you're the one crying.
No I’m not crying, he’s crying
Im not crying, theres a waterfall starting inside my eyes.
Honestly I love seeing nutshell animation on my feed.
BUT I ESPECIALLY LOVE SEEING MAT PAT❤
Guess his dramatic couch talk was so dramatic that we missed it lol
?? He did it, just a bit later
Me realizing I’ve been watching matpat for like 9-10 years…
Did my brain shape my personality through game theory?
Oh no.
Hah, yeah I feel you there. Part of my personality was shaped by this channel.
Also
You got Quintuple botted by the same bot. That’s insane.
That's just a theory..
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriotspack your things get out!
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriots Well it’s not a bot, maybe a 3 year old. Get off your mom’s phone kid!
duuuude me too what the heck
I'm watching this after "Goodbye Internet'... 2:15 I understand what he was talking about now.
Look at the title in 0:26
@@Map_bot_but_not_reallyWow the fact he hinted towards it...
What I especially hate about the shorts, it's that I see a notification from a youtuber I've subscribed to, but the "new video" is just a short that's just a short clip from his latest video. I think he could just stop posting those, but maybe this video will tell me, why he has to do it.
The mind-boggling thing I've realized is that I've watched nearly EVERY GAME THEORY video ever made, almost every film but every food and style theory so far. Iove the work Matt and the rest of Theorist, Santi, Steph, Leigh, Amy, Austin, and NEARLY EVERYONE has done for the channel. Identities matter in making sure youtube creators keep their following, otherwise they become short 20-second laughs on social media
glad they did, due to how big matpat's retirement was, proving he's remembered... at least.
if it was always short, maybe nobody cares or even f**king knows.
My man talked about how CZcams is dying and then announced that he's leaving. We love you MatPat
look at the title at 0:26
I'm not usually the overly emotional type but that bit at the end nearly made me cry. I was raised on this website. Love ya matpat
Same
yea
It's been 11 years since matpat joined CZcams
As one of the many many ripples you've impacted. Thank you for the 13 years of mind expansion, the laughs, and the brain tickling theorys. I can't wait to see the gifts and treasures you bring from your new adventures when we get matpat cameos. Thank you
Now I know what Matpat meant by having a serious chat on the couch in january.. :(
I can speak from experience, and I’m traumatised about how unsafe, and unfiltered YT shorts are
@@BangerContentbot
@@BigStrongShoebillbot
Don't read my name!..
Yeah it’s true. I’ve seen some weird stuff.
Bro is a snowball
This video is 🔥🔥 Hit the nail on the head and cant wait for the sit down serious video early next year 🙏🏻
Wow 13 million subs. Can I please have a shoutout?
how does this only have 1 reply? maybe the comment section algorithm is rigged, but thats just a theory, A COMMENT SECTION THEORY!
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windersons father and kennys son
My dyslexia hates your username
Around the 4:30-ish minute mark when matpat talks about how you can get interested in anything at anytime is so true. Just moved, but on the way up I35 to DFW, I noticed all the different big rigs had different states on their license plates, and I started keeping track of the different states I saw on the plates to see how many states I could get. Fast forward, and now I wanna draw license plates😂you can definitely get interested in literally anything
2:19, wow. Guess he wasn't lying 😭
This video made me realize why I find using TikTok frustrating. I was using TikTok like CZcams. I'd watch a TikTok I really liked, and then try and go to their page to watch more of their stuff. I'd search for a type of video instead of just scrolling. I want to choose what I'm going to watch. Its definitely because I grew up on CZcams. Fascinating.
dang. looks like youtube got this one!
I'm watching this AFTER watching Matpat's announcement. This video hits harder knowing where it was leading. Thank you for everything Matpat. ❤
Same 😢
Samesies.
That's just a theory...
The foreshadowing too he hinted about a serious matchat in January when he quit😢
literally at it.. 2:15
I've always wondered why TikTok seems to have have so little human engagement. Even compared to Instagram, you see so few conversations in the comments, you never get DMs, etc. TikTok's "de-identified" format probably explains this. No one interacts because no one knows who they're interacting with.
2:20 FORESHADOWING.
It feels so strange to imagine not having a favorite content creator. I know what I am getting when I click on a game theory video. I like the familiarity that it brings! It really does help me relax to watch videos from the same creators I watched as a kid. I still occasionally look up Dantdm’s video of him moving in next to Dr. Trayaurus’ lab just to remember how it made me feel watching that as a kid.
Hmm... now I want to know when I started to watch CZcams, I tend to roam around more in my entertainment, different creators come and go
Spurred by your comment I shall try to dive into the history of my CZcams journey
This, i know they’re basically ruined but i still sometimes look up popularmmos and watch their OLD videos because I love them!
This made me realize just how important and targeted children are on social media that its scary. Ive been on youtube since i was 10 and i still have the same interests i had at that age! Luckily this channel has always stuck with me and was a factor in me loving random and geeky stuff lol
But I do wish CZcams had a switch to turn off YT Shorts because now I am seeing the consequences in children that are less than 10 being targeted and becoming addicted and dependent with the short video format instead of the normal videos.
Anyways, thanks GameTheory for being a part of my childhood ❤
I was also thinking about some sort of switch like that and fell terrible after watching too many shorts. Because one comes up on the homepage that interests you, and from there, it all goes downhill
If you have an android, you actually can turn off shorts, with a different version of the CZcams app, it's definitely not reVanced, definitely not ;)
You can turn off by clicking three dots and I’m not interested on each one on your homepage whenever they show up. It turns them off for a couple of months unless you watch one then it starts again
There are also chrome extensions to block shorts
@awkwardhuman6414 i did turn off my YT shorts for a while by selecting "Not interested" on a whole row of shorts.
Like the other poster said, they came back after a while, but it was enough for me to get unhooked.
That pun at 22 seconds.... I did exactly that thing that you said not to do. Laughed at the thing that you described me doing at that exact point I was doing it, I clicked to youtube home page, then came back to tell you I did that. Well done
Everyone was shocked by that serious couch talk in January
1 year ago I deleted tiktok from my phone and my life changed for real for the better. One thing tiktok or shorts can´t replace is kind of the feeling of belonging.. especially at Gametheorie, there it feels like one huge community, all with the same interrests and intentions. Thanks Teamtheorists for making this happen. Greetings from germany
I am so sorry you have to deal with these bots.
I gravitate towards longer videos on CZcams, because I like to play them while I'm working and they feel more meaningful. It would be a shame to lose those.
I'm with you, I like to watch the longer videos once but then my favorites become my go to for background noise while I game or work on other stuff because it's still entertaining but I don't feel the need to look since I've seen it before. Having to switch videos every 10-15min would be a pain so I pretty much exclusively watch ~hour videos or a playlist.
@@SilverstarandFriends That's what I do myself when I'm at work. Put up either a playlist or long for videos. It sometimes helps to calm my nerves during work and also helps to dull my thoughts (which are mostly just fantasies and such, but can be draining in the longrun)
@@mr.boomguy yep, having something interesting playing helps with the monotony of work for sure.
I have a blocker which makes it so i cant which shorts on my pc and if a want to watch a video less than a minute it will show up as normal content, so useful.
We will miss you matpat
The thing companies never seem to understand is balance.
You know how they say energy diversification is important. That should apply to social media. You have to adapt to many different learning styles which requires using different formats. That does not mean only focusing on the one thing you think is popular and ignoring the rest.
Unfortunately, career advancement doesn't mesh well with balance. Personal brands are built off being transformative , any pieces left over from the previous person takes away from the singular focus of what you have done, and that image is what gets you your next job.
And we don't do it to energy, too.
We say we should, but don't.
We should ACTUALLY do it for both.
Capitalism isn't designed for balance, it is quite specifically imbalance in practice
Interesting to hear about this because without using TikTok, without being in touch with the younger generation I wasn’t aware that you are supposed to just scroll through the shorts.
I saw my husband doing that few days before I watched this video and I found it confusing since it felt like going through the entire recommendation list to find the few gems he really intended to see.
And yeah, I actually look through the Shorts recommended and only click on the ones that actually interest me, I don’t scroll through them. Because of that I do notice the channels producing them and interact with them just the same.
And I’m not that old, I’m in my mid thirties, but still it was interesting to see that being somewhat virtually illiterate on how short videos are supposed to work and treating them the same I do with longer videos, I didn’t feel this alienation with the creators.
Though can’t say I escape the addiction part. That s**t is strong.
Same tbh. I only started paying attention to shorts when my favorite creators started making them. Then I only paid attention to the ones from new creators I like. I don't just scroll through feeds unless I am extremely bored and even then if I find one creator's videos I really like, I'll go to their channel page to look for more videos and will subscribe if I see more stuff I like. I treat it like a marriage of Vine and CZcams more so then i would tiktok
My situation is the same. However, I'm 18, 19 in a couple of months, for what it's worth.
Yes! This is exactly my situation as well - I actually could tell MatPat my favourite shorts creators, because I watch them selectively and visit their channels and never scroll through them!
@@YingofDarknessagreed
I find "shorts" interface virtually unusable. It's incredibly easy to accidentally move to completely unrelated video I don't want to watch, and going anywhere where I want is basically impossible. I always substitute shorts URL to normal video url when I watch them. It's still annoying to watch without a vertical monitor, but at least I can actually navigate.
Not mat subtle hinting to his retirement video right at the start 😢😢
“This wont be a couch talk i have that saved for January” never realized what that meant untill i rewatched this vid 😢
This is exactly why I hope that youtube will one day develop a "turn off youtube shorts" option.
The shorts cluttering my page is the straw breaking the camel's back for me to get into ad blockers and stuff. Some of them let you isolate and block specific features on a website instead of just ads. You have to keep up with which ones youtube has figured out how to block itself though, so it's a bit tedious.
I also don't think there's any hope for the mobile app on this front though.
@@RLane-xz5cjyoutube revanced :D
youtube redux (for desktop) and youtube revanced (for mobile) are your friends :3 i never watch shorts or even see them unless im actively seeking them out from a creator i like, makes my life a lot better
Matpat is leaving the Internet😢
@@nicodawispYUP! I just couldn't understand why would anyone not search for their own solutions and waiting for "official" solution. I don't even remember the last I watched a short, it's been peaceful
I have been strongly against CZcams shorts since it became a thing, especially because as far as I am aware some old videos of short length was turned into shorts after the fact
Edit: autocorrect added an extra s
My cringy first video when i was in high school got turned into a short when it lsunched
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriots🤡🤡🤡🤡
yeah you're right, somebody i know uploaded a video that was under a minute long and it was turned into a short automatically
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriots just remember, nobody asked you to exist
@@zerogaming0000Unfortunately yeah, two of my vids were as well
2:20 seeing this now just gave me a rush of emotions
IK MAN😥😥😥😥
Thinking about how CZcams emphasizes the creator or the Contant… I feel it is ironic that this is probably the last, Matt Pat video or game theory video that I will watch unless I go back and watch replays… Now that Matt Pat is leaving game theory, I really have no interest in the channel anymore… It was Matt Pat his demeanor when he talks, and the way that he approaches topics that kept me invested in this channel… Matt, Pat we will miss you… I will miss you… I have been watching ever since your first assassin‘s creed theory… And I really enjoyed all your theories since then. Thank you for educating us, and opening our minds to concepts that we would never have considered on our own.
This felt haunting. I avoided tiktok but fell in yt short addiction.
In the same boat :(
You're not alone, unfortunately.
Same 😢
Yep, that’s me
Same
It's interesting that this video appeared on my suggestions shortly after the health update for Dianna that Destin made. The outpouring of love and support for Dianna in the comments is what helps make this site what it is. Creators may sometimes make bad decisions, but they can also have unfortunate circumstances around which the fanbase can rally to help.
I just watched that video as well, but I saw them in my notifications
i just watched that video too lol weird.
Same
Same with me.... It's so uncanny
who is Dianna
Not the devastating "January" Easter egg.
Side note, as a Tiktok anomaly I was always in my following feed. Those creators helped me survive 2020.
2:19 Is like matpat telling us hes leaving CZcams soon, but in after 9 videos he'll be gone.
it finally feels like it's over. youtube has been my main source of entertainment since 2008 and the magic is truly gone at this point. i watch more of it than ever, but i have less emotional attachment to creators than ever. running my own channel has been the thing that pulled the veil for me, realizing my 100k subs are next to meaningless. every video needs to please the algorithm over and over again in order to even show up on peoples' feeds. the concept of an "audience" has lost all of its meaning compared to 10+ years ago, and it didn't just happen randomly. the shift towards algorithms and optimization was orchestrated to pull the most money and attention out of us and it ruined content.
Matpat inspires me, my parents said if I get 30k followers here. They'd buy me a better camera for recording.. begging u guys, literally begging
I feel like this is both a meaningful comment and also just a flex that you have 100k subscribers, but I agree nonetheless
@@UTTPNewEnglandPatriotsgodamn you're so annoying like don't share it with us. We don't care bot.
@@MbitaChizithat doesn't work anymore
Why is everyone in the replies a bot
This explains perfectly why this year was such a boom for editors. Cutting shorts became the highest paying skill beside smooth brand integration.
0:25 and 2:15 😭 foreshadowed twice, we'll miss you Matpat
1:59
IS THAT NINJA SLIME?!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
Personally I have already been avoiding shorts and TikTok just for these reasons, my attention isn’t the best, and I’ve been trying to get better, which they certainly don’t help with.
Shorts blocking extinction would make that easier.
@@Jay_Frank they removed almost every single one and it only works on desktop, when real issue is the phone app
@@MELLMAO Google CZcams Re.van.ced
@@MELLMAO on the home page of youtube on your phone, you can click on the three dots on each short video and choose "not interested" until there is no longer short recommanded for you. Unless you watch a short from the short tab, youtube will not present you anymore shorts
Finally someone brings this up! CZcams shorts has always creeped me out for some reason, but I could never quite put my finger on it until now. Thanks MatPat for bringing these issues to light!
Same. I just assumed it was because all of the weird stuff that cropped up the further I scrolled.
Get the shorts blocking extension
@@Jay_Frank that doesn't really work for phone users, the main audience for shorts...
CZcams has always had short form media, I remember when the longest video you could upload was 10 minutes, the problem isn’t that Shorts exist the problem is how CZcams is handling them, by treating shorts and long videos as separate entities instead of embracing them both as equally valid forms of content.
Creators should be forced to make shorts, and creators who make shorts shouldn’t have to struggle to make long content.
Rewatching this after that serious discussion on the couch that was planned in January
On my phone i turned off playback on feeds in my general settings months ago and it significantly lowered shorts suggestions to myself. Which honestly has overall increased my quality of life and I’ve been getting mostly suggestions to my favorite content creators
You can remove shorts altogether from the CZcams app.
@@III_three how!?
Anyways their names are - NewPipe and CZcams ReVanced
CZcams ReVanced is an modded CZcams app for the mobile from which you can remove shorts permanently.
2013 MatPat: CZcams is a game.
2023 MatPat: It is still not a film theory!
to be fair from the perspective of a youtuber, CZcams is absolutely a game in a way that film isn't.
I love longer Videos, especially listening to them while im gaming. Like rn im listening to this while playing Fallout NV.
And I've listened to many Wendigoon videos while doing other things...like gaming
0:03 forehadowing
Passive vs active viewing has to be why I can't really get into TikTok. I'm an active viewer. Those that I watch I search them out and it's frustrating to do on TikTok. I also think you're correct about shorts not equaling subscribers because I've only subbed to around 5 creators through shorts and they were suggested because I was searching something relative and that lead me to their channel.
For me, it's kind of the opposite of what MatPat said.
If I am WANTING to ACTIVELY Watch "just whatever entertaining" >> TikTok.
If I am wanting to ACTIVELY watch A SPECIFIC THING, then I am SEARCHING >> CZcams.
Hilariously, compared to the video, if I want something to passively watch for hours, I tend to go to CZcams for LiveStream VODs, or 30+ minute to HOURS long content (which I do a LOT of resuming later on to finish)
Explaining how fandom has changed for younger generations, to help us older folks understand that it’s not just a “kids these days” mentality feels very well-deserved and groundbreaking. Thank you, Game Theory!
Bro why isn't this a film theory?
Why are you the most popular comment?
Ya
“i’ve already got that one penciled in for january”😢😢😢