Death Note and Grooming Success
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In this Episode, Zero discusses the ethics behind Death Note, specifically Wammy's House.
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@@skailerderkonigderdiebe5499 he was joking to he said birthday instead of Berthay
*It's BEYOND BIRTHDAY*
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I'm so glad somebody is talking about this! To me, Whammy House is such a toxic environment for those who outperforms in specific skillsets that might be beneficial for L's work (I'm being specific here because if I remember correctly, Linda, an art genius, seems to not have been part of this "elite" selection). They're children who were pitched against each other and forced to grow into a desirable mold. While the psychology of Mello, comprising of insecurities and inferiority complex, is a significant driving factor in the story, there are many subtle hints to Near's mental struggle with the idea of filling L's shoes as well.
Near is significantly less initiative than both Mello and L, and in the one-shot that takes place one year after the end of the original series, it is suggested that the reason why he often hesitates is because he's trying to come up with the option that L would take, not being able to come to his own term and thinking of himself as his own person. His team eventually gives him the encouragement to go with what HE thinks rather than what L thinks, and that seems to have been a pivotal moment for his character. In the latest one-shot, Near's appearance seems quite different, he looks like he's grown physically, his hair has grown very long, and he's sometimes shown in more open and relaxed positions than he's shown before. I think the change in appearance and behavior may signify Near being more comfortable with himself and not the idea of being L's successor.
It is only unfortunate that the other Whammy kids we know of never got to work through their issues.
Thank you for commenting.
I never realized Matt was from the Wammy house. Even upon rewatching it. Now I’m interested in his character
read the manga, he's got way more screen time in there
exactly same
@Pilot Alek he actually smarter than near and Melli but is just to lazy
He was never shown in the famous L speech about “monsters”
@@hdgaiqnwknz6032 that doesn’t mean anything though that was only between the main characters Matt only had 5 seconds of screen time
Wammy's house supports the children living in it in developing any talents or gifts they may have. While creating a successor for L is an important and maybe even primary purpose for it, keep in mind that there were only two children in line for that at any given time as far as we know.
While I can certainly see pressure (intentional on the part of Wammy's house staff or not) playing a part in the problems of the characters you mentioned, you also need to keep in mind that they are in an orphanage for a reason. Each of these children has a story we do not know - all we know for sure is that they lost their parents at some point.
With BB, there is also the matter of him being born with Shinigami eyes. L and Near both exhibit behaviors associated with Aspergers or similar forms of autism - which would be something they were born with, not a result of anything that happened at Wammy's house.
We also know that at least one of the children who were not in line to be a successor to L, Linda, is a successful artist at the time of the final act.
This is mostly true, but don't forget that, while 2 of the Wammy's House children we know grow up to be quite successful, the rest of them are dead. Almost all of them died in the pursuit of L's legacy, in a manner of speaking. Also, all of the Wammy's House students are supposed to be successors to L, but only one of them can be named the heir. The fact that all of these kids are coming in with emotional baggage is even more unsettling, tbh. I do consider it a necessary evil, as without Wammy's House, Kira would have definitely won, but that doesn't mean it's without problems either.
Most certainly. However as far as i can understand the conditions were much harsher in terms of training for those who are Ls successors. I agree that the shinigami eyes and probable autism has nothing to do with the final outcome for the characters. But the possible harsh training might have caused the characters to act their differences and capabilities in a less socailly acceptable way, being a gang member at age 15 and not giving to damns about people dying and all
Am I the only one noticing they all kind of have a "childish" thing they do? L loves sweets, near (idk how to spell it) likes toys and stacking blocks (I meant dice), and mello (once again, might've spelt it wrong) is always eating chocolate
YES !! and also matt with video games, and BB practices and ‘ evil laugh ‘
They need a Wammy season. It would be great to see how everything was before death note ♥️
"BB becoming"
How many attempts did you need to say that without laughing?
i will be the become
bb be coming 😩
@@ace-ue5ui BB be becoming
You forgot this also the reason why Matt doesn't care about being a successor anymore
Naruto Uzumaki A kid from Wammy's who joined Mello. Mostly there so Mello would have someone to talk to.
Nevflinn Apart from being smarter than both near and mello
Cody The Average gamer He is?
Nevflinn yep if you read death note 13 how to read they tell you Matt was smarter but his laziness was the problem
+Cody The Average
Actually he was given even less intelligence than Mello.
Reminder that Matt is the coolest guy in Death Note even though he only had a minute worth of screentime xD.
I think there was a 'K' as well but i think she wasn't 'canon' as she was in the book based of the live-action movies where L Won instead
HowlingWolfKD there was, there also was ones like x y z and j. If the memory serves well the j one became something of a scientist, the rest either took other jobs, dead or we simply dont know. As far as the wiki goes the closer in intellect a kid is the closer of a letter he/she gets to L (N,M,J)
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A and BB are actually referred to as the "second generation." Which is fair. The really bizarre thing is that Mello-as-narrator identifies himself as a part of the "fourth generation." I mean... you COULD say there's a "third generation", but I seriously question the idea of Mello implicitly recognizing it as such.
Slight correction. A and BB are actually first generation. So there are two "generations" between B and Mello.
Huh. Solid theory. In fact, better than many death note theories out there, and you explain the point of the video straight on and keep it short, just enough to feed us enough information and give us more to work with. Keep it up!
Oh, guess it's not relevant, but I expected you to mention that at the end of Another Note, it's implied L took BB's appearance alongside the name "Ryuzaki". Makes you wonder if he would have also appropriated Light's identity somehow, had he won.
Nelisez Pasce Dark af
Nelisez Pasce No, he just took the name "Ryuzaki". BB took after L's appearance to impersonate him.
What if BB was standing at the end looking down at Light instead of L
Kira actually killed BB, during the stretch where he was killing imprisoned criminals.
@@KatoBeyond it's presumed but not confirmed but BB is an interesting character
There is a very good fanfiction about wammys house called primes
It shows the extreme pressure and survival of the fittest these children had to go through and a nice murder mystry.
Where can I read it ?
I never comment on videos but as some have already mentioned, your channel is definitely underrated man. Keep up the good work! Appreciate the objective and intelligent breakdowns.
Ok so this is a very interesting topic and one not a lot of people discuss relating to the series and you guys did a really good job of talking about it, and I honestly think its a really interesting aspect of the show and I think you are right when you say the world kind of needs L to keep it from being destroyed. Still the idea of grooming success at the expense of the child being groomed can be considered morally grey which really intrigues me considering the shows use of grey morals through its entirety. Whether you wanted L or light or near or mellow to win there were always questionable aspects to each person and their motives. It makes you think about how everyone has a perceived idea of whats right and wrong and how no matter what someone will always have different view of life depending on circumstance. That's part of why i love how complex this show can get.
Wait a minute, was L even the first L? Or was L Lawliet the succesor of a previous L? Because L was in his mid-late twenties when he died, and he probably started to work as a detective as young as Near, who was 17-18 (at least when he officially started working in the Kira case). We don't know the age of BB and A, but being from the first generation one would assume they were older than Near and Mello, early twenties maybe? So the age gap between all of them isn't that big. Wouldn't that leave little to no space for Watari to come up with this idea of recruiting child genuises to one day take over the name of L if L Lawliet was indeed the first L? Or did Watari had this all planned since L was a little kid (maybe even before that) and started working on recruiting other kids to one day become the next L? And if the answer to the last question is yes that's kinda messed up, because that would mean L didn't choose to become well, L, but was instead coerced into becoming L, because let's be real, no kid is gonna come up with a plan like that no matter how much of a genius they are. Child genuises are still very much children.
Edit: Just to add that L in his mid twenties was already a lengend among the police all over the world, the detective they would go to when cases got too difficult, and saying that he started working when he was in his late teens, 17-18, would leave him with around nine years (probably less because he was already a legend before the Kira case) to make L's name relevant which can seem like a lot but given his line of work it isn't a lot really if you take into account that some cases may take months, even years, to get solved. One can argue that L was a genius and solved the cases pretty quickly, but Near who also was a genius took around half a year to solve one case (not the Kira one). I don't know, it just doesn't add up, maybe it's just that I'm sleep deprived and thinking too much.
I really love this comment, thank you. I did make a video about Death Note trivia called "10 Things You Didn't Know About Death Note" or something to that effect where I discussed a two different one-shot manga about L's life. One of which was about him growing up in Wammy's House. According to that source, Wammy's House was a normal orphanage before L grew up and decided to convince Watari to make it a school for gifted orphans to find his successor.
There is a little extra chapter in the manga about LActually there are two but the one related to the question is.I think it's only 4-5 pages and gives a quick glimpse in L's growth. As he was growing up he was solving more and more complicated games, used the internet while it was still very new and did the best investment s for watari. So one day he thought that a murder case was more difficult than any puzzle or game and watari said sth like his eyes shined. He solved the case and watari said that from this day I knew what path I would walk with L. So, I believe it was the first L and by his face in the last page he seems like he is a young teen . I would say he was 14-15 when he started solving cases . So ~10-11 years before the Kira case.Maybe after the first years wammy decided to train all new kids in the orphanage towards L's path. Yeah it's not a long time but hey it's a manga!
Really interesting perspective on the whammy kids.
The NFL issue is less due to high pressure and more due to repeatedly smashing your skull in
Very nice video!
Thank you!
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I’ve never read that Ohba accepted it as cannon, only that he accepted the story as being well done. Obviously the murder case works because even L mentions it, but the rest about the orphanage doesn’t. But then I shouldn’t be surprised, he contradicts his own writing, one minute having Near say L was the only person both he and Mello respected, and cared enough about to make sure he finished the case the way L would have wanted him to,and creating a figure and mask in his image, and then saying later that he never met the man and only spoke with him thru the computer. How does that work? Neither makes sense to me, but that’s one of the things I do like about Death Note...it has ways of keeping people talking and debating about it all these years later.
Dotti Rhodes That doesn’t contradict itself though, That’s like a normal person looking up to the president as a role model and they had a conversation once. They can still learn about L and his motives from hearing other stories about L plus not to mention L picked them as the two to be his successor without looking at the intelligence stats bc he saw that they resembled him the most.
Most of the wammys kids near/me and L also beyond have Aspergers (well idk about beyond birthday having a disability bedside psychopathy)
Wait who was "A"?
He was the first chosen successor of L, eventually committed suicide because he couldn't handle the pressure.
-Zero
This video reminded me of the old game theory.. I haven't felt this way in a long time. Never forget where you came from. Don't follow mat pat down the dark path.
C G how did Mat pat change
Aaron Mackellar
exact question i was gonna ask,i think this guy just wants to hate to be honest...
he used to do much denser, more logically consistent videos, with varying runtimes based on how much time he needs to explain the theory, as opposed to his current shitty, sparse, irrational, clickbaity, @least ten minute videos, designed to abuse the algorithm and make money.
@@thomaspearce9222 I think the change in his channel says more about the state of CZcams than the quality of Mat's videos
@@jessetheanimenerd3304 that doesn't make him any better, but yeah, i pretty much agree
I would use child actors as an example
Wammy bois = 420 dong squad
Yes, thank you for realizing best boi, matt
Are you Zero?
Yes sir.
L failed to reach a logical conclusion to help him solve the Kira case. When he noticed Kira doing the experiments influencing their behavior he should have realized those influences could be proof of a suicide occurrence also being included in Kira's repertoire. He could have undoubtedly found Kira and captured him, if he were smarter. It would've 100% isolated it to Light Yagami.
He was too busy operating a team at the time to notice, but its something he should have meditated on. 'If I had these skills what could I do with them'.
On second thought. L did foreshadow he knew he would die. Which means, when he let himself die it was to see if Light was actually a true friend or not. Not 100% sure tho.
I know I didn’t just comment on your own comment twice
@@camronmcclary4093 We didn't.
@@mimszanadunstedt441 I meant to say I know I didn’t see you comment on your own comment twice
I guess it is an away
Did you just call L the "main antagonist" ?
Light is the protagonist, making L the antagonist.
Antagonist doesn't always mean villain, they can be good to and vice versa for the protagonist
yeah great video dude, i never thought of it like this tbh.. my opinion still stands that Near pales in comparison to L and Mello
Hey thanks for watching. And on the topic of Near: Sometimes, it's okay to be wrong. #TeamNear4lyf
It'd be interesting to hear what you think about my more recent video about Near.
I don't want to like because it has 420 likes :(
The problem with Another Note (not canon) and this theory is it totally ignores the fact that Wammy's house existed way before L, so it was NOT begun in order to find another L. That and the fact that there are many Wammy's Houses around the world BEFORE L. Obviously once L was so successful and his loss would have to be filled, they began grooming replacements. I hate the fact that Wammy and his orphanage and L have been painted with such an ugly brush which has no origin in the original. A and BB are simply creations in a glorified fan fiction that the original creators thought was a great story and gave their consent to.
Dotti Rhodes Ohba accepted it as cannon
Wammy's House was restructured to raise the next L after L grew up in the orphanage.