Gen 1 HEMI on Dyno - WEAKEST Engine I EVER Tested
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Nick loves hemis.. big ones and little ones too. But nobody would have guessed what was going to happen when he bolted the weakest hemi he has ever tested to his dyno. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
This is what happens when there is no flange to center the flywheel to the crankshaft. For the next time we will have a machined flange to prevent the flywheel from being off center. Thanks for watching.
Keep making great videos Nick, in 100 years people will be using them to restore your way.
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Time and material Nick, that's the way it goes. They've got to pay to play
That is correct, every engine is just as important as the next for the owners. Make a flange if needed. If it takes all day, so be it. The customer will pay the bill.
Hi, Nick! That was brutal, but fun to watch! It's amazing that old hemi didn't come flying off the dyno! 😆
This is a perfect example of how stressful it can be running your own business. It’s a lot of pressure. But Nick and his crew are professionals. They push right through and get it done. RESPECT.
I was born in '54, I don't run so good either :-(
your not drinking enough beer
I can relate to that I was born in 58 not to much difference lol then again 4 years Im young along side of you although I feel 75 lol
Born in 55 and can still walk sorta fast and can almost break into a trot but that's top speed . 2 speed now slow and stop .
See a urologist, get your port reamed out and you'll run like a champ again.
It's an exhaust flow issue slowing you down.
55 for me, given the choice of run or die.... I'm done for. ;-)
I cringe at that starter engagement issue.
It was too close, that’s grinding :)
I can't believe they just ran it like that. Talk about shady.
Still, only took 2700 RPMs to make enough power to embarrass a flathead Ford V8...
Starter needed a simple rear brace strap on it...
@@AmericanDefender shady pufft here in Canada we have what they call balls
Those first gen hemis have a cool look to them, would be perfect in some kind 1930-s body style hot rod.
Over here in Australia there are a small number of Dodge Hemi engines used in 1933 Dodge Street Rods. Dirk, in the city of Adelaide, South Australia runs a 241 in his 1933 Dodge roadster* & a 325 in his 1933 Dodge Sedan Delivery. [His 1933 Window coupe runs a a Chevalay]
Rob, in Bendigo, Victoria, runs an early Dodge Hemi in his 1933 Dodge Touring* [His '33 Roadster* runs a 500 cube alloy Hemi, his '33 two door sedan runs a 354 Chrysler Hemi & his '33 Pickup runs a DeSoto Hemi of some sort]
As for me here in rural New South Wales I have a 1957 Dodge 325 engine for my 1933 Dodge 3 window coupe.
*The 3 Window Coupe, Roadster & Touring bodies are unique to Australian production.
A great opportunity to enjoy Nick's garage episodes, every one is educational and enjoyable......I love them. Nick and George, keep them coming and stay safe...........................
Thanks, Johnny. Hunker down, buddy.
Nick? Seems to be a really good guy. God bless You and Canada. Thanks for your videos to help us through these dark times. Keep on dynoing!!!
I like this side of you Nick sometimes we improvise and we break things but they are fixable because you're a man of your word you told this guy you was going to dino his engine and you did
The whole setup looks VERY sketchy!
the way that bottom ends rotating assembly getting BOUNCED AROUND, i wonder how much life that dyno session took life away from the rotating assembly? just sayin. You can literally really BEAT TO DEATH the bearings THEN, have a bad case of THE come aparts Yep!
definitely, I would have put an end to it as soon as I saw that.
The amount of hackery in this video is astounding. The comments above are talking him for not quitting or giving up. But "knowing when to stop" is not the same as "giving up". When you can't center the flywheel and have so much vibration your start is vibrating back and forth an INCH and you start break bellhousings - you need to stop. Period. At that point you're damaging the engine main bearings, stressing the crankshaft and running the risk of completely destroying customer's property and possibly risking serious injury.
Anyone who even knows the slightest thing about engines, flywheels and machinery in general would know that the flywheel would not be even remotely close to being centered without a proper hub and the engine should not be run. The best part is they had a dial indicator that they could have used to manually center the flywheel (snug the crank bolts up, then gently tap the flywheel around until it rotates concentric, then tighten the bolts down), but they instead hacked something together with pieces of wire and an old chunk of metal????
The narrator then tried to frame it as it being the engine/customer's fault, because it was an unknown engine built by someone else. No, it's because you had people who don't know what they don't know, doing things way over their heads, when they should have just admitted to the customer they didn't have the parts necessary to do the test.
Yes using expensive equipment on make shift garbage is questionable.
@@AmericanLocomotive1 I couldn't agree more. He's a likable guy and I've enjoyed several of his videos in the past, but after watching this video, I see a huge lack of sound judgement. After seeing this, there's no way that I would let him work on any car of mine. I'm really surprised that he even aired this episode, another example of poor judgement.
Nice to see this upload and hope everyone watching and their families stay well in these crazy times.
We are going to keep making videos for everyone for as long as we can. Stay safe, everyone.
These videos help. Thank you
Why, what’s been happening lately?
@@lozzalakat8767 the Coronavirus? You haven't heard of it?
@@NicksGarage in Mississippi we haven't been under Martial Law yet but the people are getting a bit worse in their actions 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Most dyno shops would have sent that guy packing. It took balls to help this guy. Thanks for making it happen. ❤
Ridiculous comment. Others have stated this was a hack job. After watching this i have lost respect and that constant blaming about someone else built the engine----had NOTHING to do with what went on here. It was dangerous and that put a lot of strain on the whole crank and rotating assembly. Shocking to say the least!
Yeh Nick is tenacious, not a quitter.
Not impressed with Nick at all. I could improve the balance of the flywheel in 10 minutes.
I Love when I see builders take the time and care to put the "Old" Hemi in period Street Rods, it's just a great look and sound when building a Classic Rod !! Everything "doesn't" have to make 500 - 700 HP !!!! : )
499 would be acceptable!! 😆
Yes, your right, but if we're going to use them, why not make them a little more reliable, more efficient and powerful with a few simple add ons. 65% - 80% of the heat energy produced in internal combustion engines is wasted.[power to turn the crankshaft ] Technology, science has turned the old 300 hp V8 into 500 hp. Friction losses,air-fuel, thermal management, compression, cam timing, etc all help to increase mpg and power. .If we could use some of that wasted heat,1000 hp and with low emissions and ultra-high mpg would be possible. The first Gen 1 Hemi's were inefficient. With a better ignition system [ MSD or ? ], better fuel-air distribution, and a set tuned stainless headers or ? you free up 20 - 30 hp and add mpg to that old beauty. Add some compression , a more gentle and precise cam timing, intake work, good carb or FI you get an improvement in throttle response, mpg at cruise and maybe as much as 75 + hp
@@thomaslewis7883 Yep. Increases in efficiency free up power and increase economy
I just did some minor porting on a 1.8l ES2 CVCC Honda engine from 1985. Cleaned it up a bit, freed up the exhaust a bit, played with the timing. Picked up probably 15hp and 8mpg. went from 25mph combined to 33.
Engines make less the 500hp?
Yea my 52 business coupe probably only has 150 hp with the flathead 6 being bored .40 over but its period correct to my car but has headers dual exhaust 3 on the tree
A perfect lesson in rotating imbalances. It would make a great paint shaker!
Love you Nick! Your wonderful channel is especially entertaining during these insane times. Take care.
Most definitely entertaining but wow what a hassle. Another excellent video. Thanks Nick and crew from Kentucky.👍
Interesting how the camera refresh rate gives a strobe style effect hence why you see the full wobble - most of that wouldn't be visible to the naked eye. The bellhousing to dyno plate is the best...proper sine wave there. Don't think I'd be running that in that state though, harmonics can snap cranks like twigs!
Hey Nick the main thing is you worked your magic and got it running and pretty sweet too! Thanks for sharing this one Nick from down under.
101 way's to abuse your high dollar dyno!! The things you'll do for your customers is amazing. Nick you are the man!!!!!
Thanks for the great video Nick,as always I look forward to every one. To all your crew,be safe,be healthy and if you don’t feel well,get to the doctor fast! Best wishes to you and your family.
I recall that my grandfather on my late dad's side of the family had this engine in a vehicle that he had in the late 70s into early 80s.
Now I will state that the engine did not come in the truck he had at the time. It was put in by the previous owner.
Nice to see those old Hemi's on the dyno! May not be much for power, but still cool to see running! Thanks again, & be safe!
Sounds like an old ChrisCraft idling around down the lake.
I always love that note, crispy just waiting to go.
nick you always bring me up.in this time of life we need good people like you.thank you very much.much love to all of you!
Glad to have you with us, Arthur.
Loving this chanel. Its the home away from home ive always dreamed of . Nick and his crew are awesome. Thanks for the schooling , love old Mopar.
Great video, as always. This one was hard to watch though. I was waiting for that hemi to take a walk around the engine room.
I had to put on my safety glasses for that one. Nicely done nick!!
Nice episode Nick! I've been busy working Emergency Ops in Charlotte NC...this is a welcome distraction! Just got done refreshing the original 383 in my 68 Fury.
I was lucky enough to be born in 56 and was old enough to be a part of the old and the new years of the mopar motors experience yes even the Hemis and I owned 5 of them the one I had now is a 512Hemi in a 62Belvedere factory Ramcharger car with all the up grades to the suspension it go's straight and makes 1650hp I love your mopar show thank you Nick 😊!
The run out of the flywheel and the motors loose connection to the bell housing could be seen from the very first second of video; from the bottom oil pan/starter view. Lucky you didn't lose your dyno.
My dad owned a '57 De Soto that had a 341 cu. in. hemi. He loved that engine and talked about it for years. I remember the family driving to Atlantic City from Pittsburgh for vacations in that car. I think he called the motor a "Firedome."
Great car by 1957 standards. Assuming that example was equipped with most powerful available engine (341 4 barrel, premium fuel), 190 HP at the rear wheel on a modern day chassis dyno would have been a real accomplishment. (The pre-1972 advertised "gross" ratings" were generally little more than figments of the advertising department's imagination. Those who claims those figures were "underrated for insurance purposes" are doing noting more than regurgitating 50 plus year old myths.)
Gotta love this guy. Just found his page today and he's the most genuine person on CZcams
I like how Nick treats his people. It takes a fine man to be so decent, especially when he has so much knowledge and ambition.
This channel is like the car shows on TV, except the people are likeable and the focus is actually on cool cars and not high-school level melodrama.
i watched the video then closed my computer, forgot to leave a like so i fired it back up and left a like! thanks Nick and the crew for awesome entertainment
Thanks Adam.
Were all glad Nick that you don't edit out the problems as some do. We all make mistakes and have things go not so right. You just work through the problems and carry on. Great video I enjoyed it!
nick, you are a patient man. never been a mopar guy, but i love your videos. keep up the good work.
I like Joe's hat. I had one too that my Chef gave me. I guess I am a bit of an artist and he thought the job had to be modified to me and not the other way around. That old Dodge Hemi sounds amazing. Because of this video, I think I want one.
If you have a specialty engine, send it to the specialist. There are guys who work on Gen 1 Hemis all day. Nick is amazing for the cars he normally works on, so I am not knocking him at all.
I have heard of other hemi''s, but never seen the 241. What a great teaching opportunity, I love it. Great sound ! Thanks! It sounds a lot like Christine.
Thanks for the lesson on the warning lights Nick... I agree 100%
*I VERY MUCH liked seeing the slick (and obvious now that i see it) FarmTractor Make-Do Engineering solution. Nick. That alone made it worth the time/money you wasted getting this video done. How that comes back to you i do not know. So, let us all hope that it does, sometime, somehow.*
I stand corrected...once again Nick - You Are Right...when driving along l'm always looking all around & rarely at the gauges, but a light coming on gets my immediate attention...the blue notchback barracuda catches my eye everytime the camera goes through the shop (especially the intake) - sure looks like a hard car to run down or try to outrun
Thanks for the video guys.
You have a lot more patience than I do!!!! Great job, Nick!!!
I always like watching these videos. Sometimes I learn something and sometimes I get to offer up some experiences I have had. Like this one with the starter motor. I have had some that were a pain to get just right. One trick I learned is install the starter and tighten the bolts snug, not to torque, then bump the starter to engage it just a "click" then torque it to speck. Doing that will align the starter with the ring gear on the engine. BUT, in this case, what a nightmare for you.
Yes Sir, makes sense . Thanks for the tip.
Love the hemi. Had one in a valiant here in Australia. Best sound.
Good job nick.
Stay safe, stay healthy Nick, and staff.
My grandfather always told a story about a 54 dodge royal with a hemi he owned in the early 60s. He, my grandmother, my mother who was a toddler, and my ant headed from St Louis to upstate New York. He drove the first leg then stretched out in the back seat for a nap with the three girls up front. He woke up half an hour later seeing the tops of telephone poles go by like fence posts, he looked over the seat back and my grandmother had the speedometer pegged. He said she must have been doing 120. The story continued that another car kept passing her and slowing down so she put an end to it.
Andrew. Good old days, great story. 120 MPH, very scary in 1954.
Hi Nick,you have a great team working with you but today Manny was worth his weight in gold.
Stay well you guys...
I still say: Put an air filter on when testing.
That Starter dragging was not only making sparks but also creating a metal dust that could be sucked right in the carburetor.
Lmao....that was a great read for a laugh, thank you 👍
....Metal dust getting into the combustion chamber...😂...sorry, sorry I will stop ✋️......😂
the sparks look fantastic, another job well done
Hi Nick.
Wayne here from south africa
I just want to give you a big thumbs up really, i cant stop watching your CZcams channel..... 👍👍👌
Wouldn't like to be there when that flywheel comes off and saws through the roof or something.
No kidding.
@@NicksGarage SFI bellhousing blanket time Nick.
We had a John Deere flywheel come off and scoot across the shop one time.
Looks like someone else's problem to me.
@Clayton Pope Ouch!
I had a metal fan blade break off at about 6000 rpm. (1100 cc 4 cylinder).
It chopped a V into the frame, bounced up, chopped the battery in half and shot out through the hood leaving a thin S shaped cut. The rest of the fan, being unbalanced, pulled the water pump off of the block and went through the radiator.
I'm sure it made a spectacular display on the freeway...I couldn't see a damn thing when the radiator exploded. I didn't lose any toes though...maybe someone did when that fan blade finally came down from orbit.
Another great video from Nick and his crew >> your welder fabricator does nice work
Thanks. Dan is the man!
Ohhh that idle sound is GOLD love it
I love the transition
Slant 6 numbers from a Hemi V-8. What a difference a few years can make.
"....Oversized episode of....". I love it! As usual informative, educational and entertaining! Thanks Nick and crew!
Plate C
Hi Nick from Newfoundland love to watch you and all your crew work. My Dad would have loved your channel. He was the true mopar or no car person. Mopars was all he drove. Take care
Nice video editing great job
All I can say is that I wish I lived closer to your shop so that I could come visit and so that my dad and I could finally get the carburetor issues on his '66 GTO Tri-Power worked out.
I've been down this road before with an old Buick Straight 8, I couldn't for the life of me get the starter to disengage after it was running on my dyno.
I ended up just using a high powered air gun on the crank to start it like an old race car. Lol
Hi Nick. Nice to see you again with another nice video. Take careful with Coronavirus, even your employers.
Congrats from Brazil. 🙂
Thanks Nick and Manny. That motor's a lot like my ticker! Wound up in hospital last Monday. And watching you do your best to make the most of a bad situation this upload. I like your never say die approach and it's my motto also. Last Monday when the throttle linkage broke I had to laugh. Because I had the opposite problem with the throttle stuck wide open. Now I can say I'm at fast idle and hope to be home within a day or 2.
Keep up the good work and the excellent content you put out. And go easy on the coffee. There's a saying tough times never last, but tough people always will. Stay safe guys. All the best from an expat Kiwi in Brazil.
Glad to hear you’re getting better, Robert. Take care.
A little 9" lathe would have saved you a lot of time. Spin a step bushing in 15 minutes, and it would have been right, from the beginning.
Heh. Automatic subtitles call the engine revving "music".
They're not wrong!
Tuned Exhaust
I really really enjoy this video!
My buddy had a 354 in his garage. Awesome to look at . Sold real easy. My cousin in mich had one . Thanks for the show . Definitely cool in a rat rod . Guy here has one in a rat rod 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻
WOW. Nice to see that old girl being saved.
She sure sounded good when cranking. It was definitely a V-8
And that idle!
Good job Nick I like a guy that won’t give up!
I would have given up. Not worth the thing flying off and going through the wall, into the shop, and possibly hitting someone. Or taking out one of the main bearings.
All you need is music and that blue beast could dance to it. Very cool engine!
Two guys working, one guy standing with his hands in his pockets.
Fired!
The starter looks like a grinder lol.
I hear ya on those warning lights I always thought they were good to have just wish my woman came with one brother haha
my woman has two brothers brother!
LOL on two levels
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Actually they do come with them...
When asked if anythings wrong and you hear “ nothing”.... theres your warning light...😆
THANKZ NIK ..nice walk thruoght. 17 ish in..
I have a 1955 Red Ram Hemi 270 cu. in. with a factory stick shift bell housing and flywheel. I used shorty headers from Hot Heads because my exhaust manifolds were cracked just like the blue 241 Hemi's are. The factory starter was too big to use with headers, so I used a mini starter to get it right. Zero issues.
The beat way to pass the time, w all the you know what going on in this world, stay safe in Canada guys
My brother picked up an early 50's Desoto, as I recall, with this engine. Loved looking at it. It ran well, but was certainly a bit of a slug. It would barely pull on my 48 Plymouth six, and that was a real dog.
Each Chrysler brand had its own variation of a hemi engine design back then... except Plymouth, no hemi until 1966 and then the standardized design...
Wow !! That starter set up makes my hair stand up..I've had problems with starters before nothing a few shims couldn't cure..but this one whoah..as usual you don't let anything stand in your way..see you on the next one..Cheers friend 🍻🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Lying here in bed with Corona virus.
Nicks garage is good medicine. I hope to be back on all eight soon 👊
Great show.
Take care and get well soon, Glen. 👊
I think nick should do a video of his history and his up bringing. He's a nest dude I'd love to here about his own cars/first car?
I'd want to hear how Nick and brothers got into racing and what kinds of racing did they do or still do.
That was an ingenious fix with the wires around a flywheel hub adapter.
I'LL be Using that In the Future
LOVE the gutsy tone of the hemi-head engines!!
Thanks 😊 Nick
It's interesting to see that it was only 17.3 HP less than the factory rated spec running on today's fuel, good or bad and 66 years later.
Realizing that the "factory rated spec" was an SAE Gross figure that was achieved in an "as tested" configuration like what's shown in the video.
"As installed" (SAE Net) output was much, much lower. Thats with all engine accessories (alternator,/generator, water pump, fan as a bare minimum) , factory air cleaner housing/element and full factory exhaust system in place and operating. Understandably, that's all I really care about because that's what people actually got.
In Chrysler's and GM's case, the naked truth wasn't exposed until the 1971 model year, wherein both gross and net figures were published. Perhaps most notable by "naked truth standards" was the 1971 Chevy LS6, with was rated at 425 Gross HP and just 325 net on the same page. A full 100 HP vanished solely due to the (justifiable) ratings change.
The 71 426 Hemi retained its long standing "425 HP" (Gross) rating, which was accompanied by its 350 HP Net rating. Period road test data on the most presumably production line stock examples (not to be confused with the specially prepared factory ringers that dominated press cars during that era) fully back those net figures. That's using Patrick Hales Trap Speed formula. Unlike ET and 0 - 60 times, trap speed is largely uninfluenced by variations in tires and gearing, particularly at these power levels.
My modern standards, the old stuff was junk. Even by the standards of the period, most of it left a lot to be desired..
While I've never owned any Chrysler product, one of the absolute BEST engines from that era was the 1968 - 1971 340, with the '68 manual trans version (one year only hotter cam) representing that engines pinnacle. Rated at just 275 Gross HP, actual (SAE net) output was in the 260 range. That was enough to make the vast majority of "big block" engines from the same period blush in envy. And for the record, Chrysler did with with a hydraulic (vs. solid lifter) cam and a single 4 barrel carb. Major league engine for the period.
@@peteshea8010 It's about time someone 'lifted the veil' over these stupid and useless gross ratings. Net/whp separates the truthful (no one) from the liars (every 'muscle car' coming out of Detroit). European ratings of the same period were always DIN horsepower which is a net figure.
@@mescko me
"It's still climbing" Nick said of the horsepower. I'm wondering why Nick didn't take the engine to 6000 rpm to see where the hp dropped off.
I remember seeing an interview with Don Garlits . He said he remember driving past a Chrysler or Dodge dealership and seeing a sign in the window that claimed their new Hemi engine makes 140hp . He said that that was unheard of back then and could hardly believe it.
In the end the sidevalves were getting close to that number.
Well, the 51-3 Chrysler made 180 hp out of 331 cubes, which was fantastic at the time. 52 DeSoto made 160 hp out of 276 cubes, while the little 241 Dodge came out a year later, making 140 - which was still better than the 49 Olds 303-inch V8, which only had 135 hp. Compression ratio on all these early Hemis was only 7.5 to one. Three years after its first 140 hp V8, you could get a 315 inch D500 Dodge with 260 hp (four barrel) or 285 hp (two four barrels). Six years after that, 413 max wedges had 410-420 hp, depending on CR. Amazing times.
@@herman452 Meanwhile in 1928 Dusenburg was making 265hp with their straight 8 and a crazy 320hp with the supercharged version. Crazy to think it took the major manufacturers 40 years to catch up. Of course those Dusenburgs were hemi engines too. :-) Just happend to be DOHC and 4v as well, way ahead of their time for sure.
Dan Joseph My Hyundai Elantra has 147!
@@bcbloc02 Good points, but it should be noted that besides having four valves per cylinder, the Duesenberg engine also had 420 cubes to work with.
Nice Nick! Nice!!!!
It's always that one customer you should have charged x2 but somehow gets the buy one get one.
You need what my Superflow 902S has and that is the integrated Superstart system from Superflow--It has two built in starters.
RAM. The 902S came 1 year later, after I had bought this 901. Would have made my job much easier.
One thing that's always missing on these early hemis are the large washer that fits over the rubber spark plugs tube seals.they ride on the upper recess on the rubber and when the plug and tube are drawn down the flare of the tube spreads the rubber,tightening the rubber to the washer. I ran a 354 on the street in the late 60's. It ran great on old Sunoco 260. Jahns 12:1 pistons and Crane everything top of head with big valve(392) heads it ran 12.2 in a 3400 lb car!
That's a very respectable time.
Now you've piqued our interest!
What year/model did you have it in?
Also had a Weiand 2X4 intake with Carter AFB's. Nothing special,just regular carbs. One I pulled all the choke stuff out of. It ran really nice. The cam was an old Crane H-312 that idled like a coffee can full of rocks! Got lots of stares at a stoplite!
sure sounds cool for a small 8 awesome video thanks guys
Awesome video Nick and Team! Thank you for the upload.....let’s us all forget about what’s happening in world for a while! God bless and stay safe to all! Cheers Mario!
Right on, Mario. Keep safe.
Good job Nick. That's the way it is. Warts and all! Weak little hemi would really wake up with a good intake, real compression, a real cam and headers. As the world would find out.
Wow, that was hard work! I thought the starter was going to fly off at one stage.
Really enjoyed watching Nick and his crew work on that 1st generation Hemi. I never see them at car shows around where I live but my grandpa had a 1956 Chrysler New Yorker from 1960 to 1973 that had the Hemi and pushbutton automatic transmission. Not sure what cubic inches the Hemi was though.
A 56 New Yorker would have been the 354, 3.9375 " bore X 3.63 stroke good power
This is why my 383BB is gonna be shipped to Nicks NOTHING replaces years of experience gang!
Hemis Unlimited has all the stuff you need I put one in a 36 dodge has 3 duces big cam small block Chevy water pump plus adapter to bolt turbo 350 trans.
The ole girl still sings a pretty tune! Vice Grip Garage’s Red Ram sounds sweet too. Y’all might make me a Mopar man:)
Great job Nick
It's nice to see a real welder. Because first off the very first thing that tells me you are a pro at what you do and I'm a master welder as well is you pushed the bead you didn't drag it you push that bead for maximum penetration I like that proud of that that was nice to see someone who takes pride in their work and knows how to do their job! Just like everybody else their at Nicks Garage you guys are an unbeatable team calm cool collected so it's always a pleasure always a good experience I love an episode of Nick's garage. Oh and again props to George excellent camera work.
Dr. Nick, that's why I call you that ,that old hemi did run good, other the that bell housing thing,and hat's off to Manny for the help on getting it running,one more thing at the end of the video,the owner and you doing the right thing,a elbow bump,stay safe.