Thoughts On Phantom Fury And 3D Realms
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- By now you've probably heard a few things about Phantom Fury.
Was planning on making a review but time just got ahead of me, as did the ensuing PR kerfuffle from 3D Realms. So have this opinion piece I guess.
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This was supposed to be the Duke Nukem Forever we never got, but instead turned out like the Duke Nukem Forever we already have.
More like a lamer Duke Nukem Forever
Ooof. That stings due to feeling right, yeah.
Hey at least the DNF '01 Restoration Project is still a thing, really hope it gets finished one day though it's already looking more complete than PF :)
just follow the duke nukem 2001 restoration project, they're making good progress and one level is out and fully playable
Look now you made all of us sad. Duke Nukem is dead.
People keep saying Embracer was a big part of this, but remember the Rise of the Triad remake? Bombshell? Actually that's a stupid question, nobody remembers Bombshell.
They've had the exact same MO even before Embracer got involved and before they were even called Slipgate. They make nostalgia bait that looks nice but is either buggy, boring or both. They're really good at getting actually talented people involved and then wasting their talent while convincing everyone that they're better then they actually are.
nah rott 2013 is awesome despite being jank
The fact that the devs are shittalking CZcamsrs for rightfully calling out the game's issues tells you EVERYTHING you need to know.
Big truthful *oof*
I'm blaming the management and leadership, esp to Frederik Schreiber, all the decisions from the company fall onto him.
I expect Saber to begin cutting down it's studios and Slipgate is probably gonna be one of them.
Its damning that the only Rott 2013 people who have had any success are the New Blood folks. But New Blood is much better managed, and it's clear as day.
3D realms has suffered from this same "You don't get it"-ism both times they tried a Duke Nukem Forever project.
Man, I hope the guy making Cultic is doing alright
voidpoint took so long to release the dlc aftershock for ion fury they ended up making ion fury 2 accidentally .. seriously go get that instead.
It is beyond fantastic. As great as the base game is, aftershock is just better, man. And the fact that you can add in the new enemies/weapons in to the base game in the form of an arrange mode just makes the expansion that much more awesome. I really hope consoles get it soon
@chiarosuburekeni9325 I'm glad I read this cuz I was wondering how I was supposed to get it for my Ps4
I like how a bunch of 3D Realms/Jared yesmen yesterday gathered in the Twitch chat and kept making fun of those who shared about the issues and pointed out the flaws.
Hopefully more big names speak out and force the team to fix all the problems.
"Are we so out of touch?... No, it's all the reviewers and customers who are wrong."
- 3D Realms/ Slipgate Ironworks, probably.
@CastleRivacheg A prominent douche on the Fury team is a literal bully. Like real nasty guy. When 3DR still owned Duke, Before DNF 2011, this guy was vile to users on the Duke forums, and he was allowed to bully the way he did because he was a big developer for Duke stuff. Knowing the kind of literal horrible people involved I will never buy a 3DR game.
Yo-Ho-Ho and a bottle of rum ☠
It is really unfortunate. This was set out to be DNF2001, but ended up just like Blood II; caught in publisher shenanigans. Some things don't change... I really hope 3D Realms rights the ship.
Civvie definitely called it~
Everyone who played the demo called it, it was supposed to impress us and it was lacking basic fps stuff including fun.
When Civvie broke character and was worried about Phantom Fury that said alot.
@RMD00 that was too real😂
@@RMD00 I what video was it?
@@SimplexPL 3d Realms Vibe Check
I knew you had at least one kid but twins? Congrats! =D (I'm a twin so very biased.)
Also, sad to see this kind of bomb... the cartoony style is great.
Knowing embracer group fiasco, I assumed the games have all been rushed out under pressure. Like Either release it or cancel it. So I had a lot of hope that they would fix it over time and understood the predicament they were in, even if they were partly to blame for being IN that situation. But the response to criticism has destroyed all my faith in SGI and 3DRealms just seems like the awkward House Guest trying to apologize for their friend being obnoxious and barfing in the aquarium. They TRULY did redefine Triple AAA.
sgi has been doing this for a decade now with triad 2013 and bombshell, they didnt even make ion maiden as far as im aware, i dont blame embracer this time
Man. All this 3D realms news makes me really really worried for Tempest Rising. I want Command and Conquer back so much.
I'm worried about that one because my best friend is a die hard Starcraft fan and when we found out it's being made by some of the former creators of the OG game he got really excited, I don't really wanna see his disappointed face when the final product comes out
@@rosfell00 That's StormGate under FrostGiant. That one is probably still going to be good.
I’m more worried about Core Decay and Sin Reloaded. Then again, it has been shown that 3D Realms works best when they’re mainly the publisher, and both Sin and Core Decay have people working on them besides Slipgate, so I sincerely hope they turn out alright, but I don’t hold out much hope.
I'm also worried about Core Decay, Twisted Tower, and Cultic part 2. It sounds like Core Decay is back in the original developers hands
When I heard about Tempest Rising, I was super intrigued. When I heard about the staff behind it having backgrounds of C&C modding and content creation, my intrigue grew further. After the news about 3D Realms, Slipgate Ironworks, and Embracer, saying "my fingers are crossed" for the project might be one of my greatest understatements this year.
"Redefining triple A"
Hell yeah that needs o change. that's like saying we're gonna change the turd in the toilet into something thats not a turd
don't they call it AAAA now
I was hoping this would be the redemption after Graven and Kingpin Reloaded. As a consumer, I will start avoiding Slipgate Ironworks until they start releasing games that are well cooked and balanced.
Wasted my money on buying Graven in early access and I'm not going to waste it here.
This was supposed to be DNF but good
Instead we got DNF Once Again
To be fair, a bunch of outlets all just parroting each other IS very much a thing. I've seen it happen a few times.
I'm not saying that it's what happened here, but it is something that consumers need to look out for. There's a lot of reviewers who are afraid to go against the tide of what others have said, and even saying "it's not THAT bad" can get reviewers attacked by people that never played the game to begin with. There are times when a few of the first few reviews will dictate what "everyone" says about a game.
To be fair, I'd suspect a large volume of same-sounding praise to be less likely to be genuine compared to a large volume of similar criticisms. The former is basically just standard mainstream game reviews in a nutshell because the big reviewers are big companies who profit from doing reviews and are thus encouraged to not piss off big game companies, while the latter is only really suspect when occasionally people bandwagon over stupid things.
@@chaosvolt Depends on "how similar." When I see people using basically the same wording, I get very suspicious. I've seen people repeat oddly-specific complaints about matters of taste and instantly lost trust.
Please tell me this isn't more of the "ign gives everything an 8" nonsense
This is what happens when we get things we like. Somebody ruins it in the corporate world good video i wish you could be the pirate version of yourself more often Sir Frederick durst would be proud
This was supposed to be a Duke Nukem game we never got but this turned into a half life game and I didn’t know where to fucking go..
What makes this so painful is that the retro shooter resurgence has come about entirely out of love, nostalgia and reverence.
Most people aren't making a boomer shooter thinking "Im gonna make bank!"
So the people making these games, are usually hitting home runs because they made it because they want to make a game. So when a game like this releases, it will get judged on that curve.
And it's a pretty harsh curve. I am not excusing it of course, they should know this more than most. They will have known that you cant half ass a project like this.
Yep, that's why even with a 40K license to add sugar on top, Boltgun is considered a painfully mid experience.
Well said! 3D Realms coming back years ago was exciting, but they've slipped quite a bit since Ion Fury.
Thanks for your non-sponsored impressions. Where are they calling people idiots? ZimBratski was referring to it too.
Hit the nail on the head perfectly. Honestly in any other scenario I would've totally put out an opinion piece like this myself to hold 3DR accountable but not only do I don't want a lot more of that kind of content on my channel, I also don't want the first thing I put out in 8 months to be another drama piece. I just hope people keep doing what they've been doing already, holding them to their words. I want this company to succeed, and the idea that ANYONE wants them or this game to fail is just plain wrong.
The past had its stinkers, and the gold rush to reproduce the "old school" will inevitably produce its own stinkers, in the present that is the boom shoot genre. History repeats itself.
Sup Icarus, long term fan, and tiny reviewer. I'm so aligned to this, and I felt a lot of the same when finishing up Phantom. Thanks for the video, keep on rocking!
I was really rooting for Slipgate Ironworks on this one... I enjoyed, but was not overly delighted Graven. Their graphics and visual artistry seem to be top notch- I really do hope that they can refine their team enough internally or get in some fresh superstars to put their gameplay, AI and level design on par with their graphical representation. Unrealistic pressure and rush deadlines from the publisher could've also been a major factor, I just don't now what went on internally...
First half of the game is Half-Life 2
Second part (after train) is Hunt Down Freeman
And here I thought CV-11 was being a little bit on the negative side about this game from a few snippets here and there but turned out, his predictions are good.
I shown interest for this but my PC isn't good enough, nor have the money at this time, but the fact this turned out to be mid, is kinda poetic justice. Looks like this old girl is still keeping me happy for what I play...
Now I'm curious about your specs lol. I always sing the praises of low powered devices when I can, lol.
I play everything I own on either a Steam Deck or this mini PC I have that has an AMD igpu and I have a lot of fun with both of them. Or the Switch.
@@therealwhite Intel i7-3820, 16gb DDR-1600, and a measly GTX 750Ti Superclocked. CPU was forced upon my hand when I thought my last mobo was dying, when in fact was my PSU. Friend gave me that new mobo which included the new CPU. An update over my i5-760, me thinks.
Nice! Thanks for responding! It seems like, according to Notebook check, the 680m and 750 ti aren't too far off. We might be getting similar performance.
I recon we won't have another game from them. Maybe Tempest Rising will see the light of day, but who'll buy it after all these shenanigans?
Tempest Rising will probably be released with Saber Interactive listed as developer and publisher along with 2B Games and after that I wouldn't be surprised if the assets 3D Realms had is sold off for the highest bidder.
The sad part is that Tempest Rising is actually a decent game if the demo is representative of the full release. I'm playing through C&C3 right now (scored the Kane Edition DVD on eBay for a steal) and TR plays just like it. Call it derivative it you like but basing the core game play off of one of the best C&C games IMHO is not a bad idea.
@@crazymcgee3604 Yeah, the demo was pretty solid for the most part. The only thing I really noticed in the first demo iteration was when I experimented with how base crawling might work and noticed the harvester AI to be wildly abysmal. I remember trying it again in their more recent build that also shows off the second faction, and the AI seemed sooo much better. Supposedly it was a navmesh problem.
They were planning to add a third faction as well, but they announced earlier this month that's going to have to come later. _Hopefully_ that's a sign of refining what's already being put together.
*reckon
Recon means to scout something out
@@ScarletKobold hey, to be fair, Harvester AI was so bad in classic C&C that the original developers themselves were making jokes about it - Big Willie's Harvester Driving School was a joke business on the Westwood website until around RA2's publication.
It's just honoring the genre's roots to have bad resource gatherer pathfinding! /s
Icarus, your amazing dude. It's so so sad they are in the mentioned state of pointing fingers, even worse the way they point fingers.
Everyone was rooting for them from the get go, they proved that they deserved non of that.
And yeah Phantom Fury is undercooked as a salmonella chicken.
When the demo came out I thought it was a deep esoteric take on the Duke Nukem 2011 release, and that it would all blow over upon the full launch... how naive I've been.
Congrats on being Dad x2 😁
I love how both of us are like "is this what we want the 3D Realms legacy to be?". Thank you so much for your perspective on this.
Such a shame. I enjoyed Ion Fury a lot and I heard of this game only recently and when the first video I watched already said that the game isnt that good it was quite a dissapointment but I hoped that it was just an early access situation. Sadly it isnt so and one can probably assume that since this is a full release it aint gonna get much bbetter in the future either. Not that we have shortage of these kinds of shooters but still.
Think about this: the recent events in 3D Realms made Civvie 11 break character out of concern.
Where was it? In "3D Realms Vibe Check" video or somewhere else?
@@SimplexPL Yes, that one. In the Phantom Fury demo segment.
@@IllusionistsBane At least it's not Graven but damn we deserve better.
@@XzMondayNightzX The parry being too difficult to get right and pointless when it hits was a dealbreaker for me.
@@XzMondayNightzX Graven is one that's really bugged me, because not only almost every single development decision is the wrong one, but so much of it can be easily fixed. The Graven devs could push a patch out tomorrow that would fix like 90% of the problems people had with it
Wait.... didn't Slpgate Ironworks (whose record isn't really something to brag about) make this game? ...
I like Civvies perspective on this.
was really hyped for this :( i hope it will be a bit better afther a few patches
If I ever win one of those huge lottery jackpots, I think I'm going to buy a studio just so I can only see good games made.
Checkout Frogmonster! At the start i thought it's just some low-fi liniar shooter with some upgrades here and there kinda like new Doom games, but it's actually a big metroidvania in tems of map design with branching paths and tons of unique locations and bosses.
Because of conbination of early game giving a false impression + price + graphics i think alot of people will miss out on this actually pretty imo exceptional game. For everybody who loves stuff like King's Field 4 or yearly Souls games it's very much gives this "big adventure in the dark world"-vibe. It's also very decentely challenging and mechanics are snappy enough i find.
My shilling for this game kinda looks like bot promoutinal message a bit, but i really enjoyed it and think it deserves better recognition.
like kf4? you sold me
Looks interesting. I wish listed it.
3DRealms back in the day: A company that got lucky off a one off and eventually shipped a followup that sucked
3DRealms now:
It's telling how the successful bits of 3DR went their own way twice now, first time with Gearbox (yes Randy is the crisco man but he's still in business and Gearbox has been very successful with a few good games even) and again with New Blood.
The 3D Realms now is not the same studio or the same people as the one who co-created Duke 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Max Payne 1 & 2, and Prey (2006). The OG 3D Realms still exists as Apogee Entertainment (and we sold the 3D Realms label back in 2014 to a Danish investor who wanted to be in the game industry).
@@ScottMiller-sm9rnthe man himself!! 💪 great to see you around, setting the story straight!
I am in one of the communities around one of the reviewers who got called a trend follower. Things got heated on the Discord, but mostly, we are all laughing at 3D Realms and Slipgate's very sad response.
Thanks for your two cents on this one. You kept it beyond civil I think 👌
Slipgate Ironworks is the Andrew Dobson/Tom Preston of boomshoot developers.
They can't take ANY criticism at all what so ever.
Even while you're saying it's bad, the gameplay video you're showing looks so good. I hope they'll fix whatever they can.
Despite being late to the party, (no shame there; kids come first), 3DR's response to criticism needed to be brought up. Another good vid, Icarus!
"Tremendously Dull" - IcarusLIVES
starting to worry a little for tempest rising
It's such a shame the eperience isn't there. The graphics look exactly like what I want, so clean and perfect.
The most shocking part is how, honestly, the Duke Nukem Forever comparisons don't even apply. Gameplay and design wise Phantom Fury is just its own mediocre FPS game without much identity. The initial promise of it being like the 2001 build of DNF feels like it was a complete fabrication for marketing.
That is INSANE they reacted that way, here I was thinking they were ACTUAL gamers that cared about other gamers- reality hits hard.
Honestly the footage looks kinda alright, I really wish they'd give Phantom Fury a sort of Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty treatment and revive it as a cool game.
I think you hit the nail on the head for this review. Very balanced and even criticism. I wish 3D Realms would watch this review, maybe they'd try to make the game better.
The pinball getting stuck is not a bug, its a recreation of a real badly kept machine you'd find in a bar.
Wow, I didn't even realize this came out. Not a blip on the radar.
As a writer, I know how hard it is to take criticism.
"God damn it, I put my heart in soul into that, and you're telling me that the intentional, stylistic choice I made is BAD?"
The virgin "convinced my stuff is good and averse to criticism" writer vs the chad "convinced my stuff is garbage and averse to praise" writer. :>
@@chaosvolt That is the goal.
Too bad my biggest character flaw is pride.
And my second biggest flaw is not learning from my mistakes.
Something tells me you're just as much if a writer, as your profile pic is actual anime
"3D Realms, what happened to you? You used to be cool"
"But I'm still cool!"
"Nah, man. You've changed"
Very well put
When I watched them playing the game on stream, a commenter pointing out that a gun felt too weak was immediately dismissed and laughed off, no discussion of what the problem might be. Granted, it's a PR event, not a QA meeting, but still. My natural tendency is to assume that the dev team know what they're doing and are held back by other constraints...but that reaction made me wonder if they even recognized the issues with the demo they put out.
I just read the Steam post. Now I understand eveything.
What the F happened?! This was looking to become awesome..
Anyone else was sort of left wanting a youtube channel that is the Spongebob Squarepant's pirate reviewing video games?
Selaco is coming at least
I hope I'm in the same position as I was back when Duke Nukem Forever was released. Everybody spoke so badly of it. I went in with very low expectations and actually had a good time with it for what it was.
Gmanlives called this "Half-Life at home". I really wanted this to be good because I loved Half-Life and would've appreciated more of it. also that video Civvie11 made about 3D Realms really broke my heart. he broke character and sounded absolutely devastated by the state of the company.
Well put and spoken Ick, as usual. Until next time you filthy bloke!
I have said this many times…. Just look at the track record of this dev (not publisher)…. Stop thinking they will make a good or finished game. They are scammers that rush developement or are just bad at their job, ship a game broken and infinished and never fix it.
finally an actual review of the game instead of Tyler McVicker's shilled review
oh god don't tell me that guy's still around
@@masterowl123 Oh he's around, I actually had to unsubscribe since the content went so downhill, not to mention the fearmongering after the Valve fan project takedown situation.
I call him McDicker because he's too much
Welp, back to Amid Evil with me. Glad it got it on GOG last week.
1:30 and around 84269756 episode of bring your own class xD
The game looks very nice.
Surprisingly, I think these games from them play more like "exploration first, combat second", and if you go with that mentality, it's more fun.
I HAVEN'T played this one yet, but I did Graven, and for me the FUN of the game was doing just that, exploring. Combat was second, like the old Fallout for example (EXPLORATION-wise only lol).
"This week Phanton Fury released"
It did? Speaking of which ,I really ought to replay Ion Fury, especially since the expansion has come out. Really enjoyed that game.
This is heart breaking
Daaamn.
And yet, the footage looks consistently good. Guess I'll have to play and see for myself.
I'll just try to chime in as someone who also played the Demo (Which I still have installed); Looks can be very deceiving, and Phantom Fury is absolutely a *looker* of a game (I have seen Alpha Beta Gamer playing the later PAX 2024 Build, and The Crater bar is the kind of place I could spent so much time lingering in) but I fear visual and/or environmental presentation are the only key areas where it shines, much like GRAVEN has reportedly been (Or as Civvie 11 put it, they're rich with "The Vibes").
How it feels to play has reportedly been improved since that Demo (I actually installed the Demo just to feel for myself how "Absolutely not ready for the target release" I heard it was and I came out the other side going "Yeah, they're going to need at least until the end of 2024 to have this ready, let-alone by the end of 2023"), but when they announced the April 2024 release date, I too said "Are you *absolutely certain* that this game is ready for April 2024, 3D Realms?", which seems to be the general verdict of the game when putting passionate voices aside; it indeed wasn't ready.
I can only hope that it can get some more of that time people feel it needs, but only WRATH: Aeon of Ruin & Ion Fury: Aftershock seem to have managed to escape their long development cycles with a enthusiastic "Better Late than Never!" reception, Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous Edition ended up being far better off changing hands into those of Nightdive Studios & New Blood Interactive, and while GRAVEN has been receiving post-launch patches, I'm not getting the impression that they're managing to address more than technical issues or quick-to-address issues such as balancing. All-in-all, I've never gotten the impression that Slipgate Ironworks consists of a large development team (Maybe two-dozen at most working remotely or multiple small teams under the same umbrella, but that's a totally-uninformed guess on my part) and with the very turbulent circumstances they & 3D Realms have found themselves in (Of which saw lay-offs as a result), I'm just not counting on them being *able* to make good on Kingpin: Reloaded, GRAVEN or Phantom Fury while Slipgate Ironworks is presently working on Core Decay, Tempest Rising and now Combustion either alongside their developers or after having welcomed their developers into Slipgate Ironworks' team(s). Not without significantly shifting priorities, at least.
I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't do. I might end up fetching the game for myself just to behold what the art team managed to pull off (I can understand that alone being worth the price of admission for some), if not see if I can extract it's assets or otherwise get my money's worth out of it. I'm just recommending that you temper your expectations, especially about seeing any transformative post-launch patches to polish what widely-agreed rough spots the game has released with if what it has released with doesn't end up being to your satisfaction.
Slipgate Ironworks doing what they do best - shipping questionable products at LEAST 3 months too early.
My question to all these groups making modern day "boomer shooter" releases: If you can't put out s game that's more fun than the literally *thousands* of free Doom/Quake/Half Life mods out there, then why even bother?
I'll always choose the free options, especially after releases like this and Wrath have happened....
spot on
At least we have episode 2 of Wizordum to look forward to.
People should stop treating 3D Realms like it's the original Apogee/3Drealms, because they're not, they are not industry veterans, they just got the name
Well it's a throwback in at least one way. A shitty sequel to a build engine game so at least it's faithful in that regard
(Watches vehicle sections.)
Yeah, gonna go play some Unreal Tournament 2004 instead.
as a parent of multiple kids as well, i feel your chaos XD
Man, this sucks. It looked so promising.
This game erf. I really wanted it to be good. A better DNF in a way.
But let us be honest here, we all kind of knew where this was going.
Tho i will say this.
The trailer 2-3 years ago had me giggling like crazy however it also gave me DNF wibes of the weird sort.
Please please someone try again i love this character. I want more games like this!
The discord leaks situation was unfortunate. I mean, I love Zlim and like Mayo and I wish those mean words about them were not made public, but I also think private discords are fine places for devs to vent their frustrations, and what is said in private shouldnt be taken in consideration of how well people take criticism, just a shitty situation in general.
Childish name calling directed at anyone who criticises the game. Very cordial and professional. Won't be buying from this lot anymore.
That was disappointing 😞
Anyone for Postal: Brain Damaged instead
If you want to make a video on a good time, Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers, a Doom engine game, has finally released after 5 years. Get in the kart, Icarus.
I wish they would just finish Sin episodes...
100% I agree with this video. I mean, I played this game, and it's not bad as TekWar or Corridor 7 , but it feels "eh" and weird not in a good way.
As someone who is head of a tiny studio working on an FPS, this breaks my heart. Companies either need to give devs more time, or make smaller games.
Welp... that was something.
it's a real shame that they can't seem to catch a break, they captured lightning in a bottle once maybe twice but since then they just seem to always miss the mark, a real shame for a game series that started strong with Ion Storm.
shame footage doesn't look bad alone
thats the problem with these nostalgia bait games they look really cool but the gameplay part of it and as a whole product they are quite bad and its funny because ion fury is really damn good but that game was the work of another studio this one and graven are from slipgate and slipgate cant do good gameplay even if you put a gun on their heads.
I really hope they listen and fix this. I haven't played it myself, but from what you said, it sounds like it is possible to patch/fix the game to make it good?
Save us KillPixel!
So 6/10?
I hear sadness.
I still want this to be a good game 😥Well. Selacos launch, in whatever form it will happen, will hopefully scratch the itch this release left now.
Instead of following Half Life as an example for the gameplay, 3D Realms and Slipgate should have followed the steps of something like Bulletstorm or, as everyone said, Duke Nukem Forever but like the never finished version
If they are so hellbent on not wanting to follow the Duke Nukem Forever route, at least choose something that's close to it, because Half Life, even though is not a bad game, it's a bad example for a game that has it's roots deep in Duke Nukem 3D
Sorry for the rambling
phantom fury makes me think of duke nukem forever all over again
Honestly this game looks really cool and fun, just from the footage shown, its a shame it has the problems it seems to have, because I would love to play it if it was ironed out and reasonably priced.
Refunded it just like that god awful Kingpin "remaster". I refunded it because of the comments they made towards negative reviews. I was going to keep it, despite the meh gameplay, but no.
Hopefully The Last Exterminator turns out good. Demo's good at least, but 3DR find new exciting ways to mess things up