7 Ways The TONEX Pedal Just Transformed The GUITAR World
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- The TONEX Pedal From IK Multimedia is REAL and it's HERE. I got an early look at this amp modeler pedal. I show you the features and the numerous ways you can set it up.
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After all of the rumours and leaks the Tonex Pedal is finally out! Everything that is great about TONEX from IK Multimedia is now available in pedal form. The pedal integrates with the desktop version of TONEX making it the most accessible and complete amp modeling system available today. I've had TONEX Max since it was released so I'm very familiar with the technology already behind TONEX. Now it's portable. All of the Tone Models in TONEX can now travel with you to Gigs, Practise or anywhere you need to go as a Guitar Player. You can create your own Tone Models and load up the TONEX Pedal with all of your custom presets. Build a flyrig around TONEX. Pair it with REAL Guitar Amplifiers. You can record with it. Customize your Amplifier and Speaker cabinet configurations. It also functions as an audio interface making it potentially the centrepiece of your Guitar Recording Studio. In this video, I show you what it sounds like in a track. I also created a Tone Model of my ENGL Powerball II. How does it compare to the real amp? I show you. I show you several ways to hook up the pedal and the many different ways the TONEX Pedal can make its way into your own rig.
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Index
00:00 - Start
00:39 - Meet The TONEX Pedal
02:01 - TONEX Pedal In a Mix
04:28 - Features Overview
06:59 - Headphones Setup
09:08 - Recording Setups
10:46 - Jamming and Live Setups
12:43 - Engl Powerball II Vs. Tonex Tone Model
13:55 - Stompbox Tone Models
14:54 - Wrap up
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I ditched my old modeller and bought this. It’s beyond my wildest expectations. My workflow when recording is so quick now. Even the bass amp patches are awesome. Just awesome
Great to hear!
Appreciate your hard work making this video and answering all these questions in the comments. A real wealth of information. Thanks🤘
I appreciate that! Thanks so much! Happy to do this. And thanks for noticing. 😎🤘🏽🎸
Final someone practical examples of ways to use it. Congrats, great video, thank you for doing it. Rock on
Thank you so much!! Glad you enjoyed this. Cheers!!
Great video man! Very well done!
Thanks Jon! ;)
Thank you for this video! That was my main thing i was looking for was just to be able to use this as a an endless supply of preamps into the effects return of my amp.
You're very welcome!
Well done, this was the best video I watched about ToneX. I'm still playing with mine but loved the Dumble models.
Thank you so much! Glad you are enjoying yours!
@@LonelyRocker
I would be interested to hear Tonex thru a powered FRFR cab.
Great overview of what the pedal can do! I bought one, but had questions about the best way to use it with other effects pedals and amps and you helped a lot!
Glad it was helpful! Appreciate your feedback. Enjoy the pedal. It's awesome!!
Great review - Recently subbed to the channel. Great content and playing. Cheers, dude. 👍🏻
Awesome! Thank you! I’ve been around a bit as a Home Studio channel but decided to niche down a bit recently and focus on more guitar/studio content. I think players are slowly starting to discover me. Really appreciate your kind words and look forward to hearing from you more on the channel!
Thanks for the great ideas. You have really given me some great possibilities. Good video, lonely rocker.
Very good explanations about usage. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! My pleasure!
Great review Dan! And that pedal is insane!! 😉 The wah sounded amazing through Tonex and those time signatures are 🔥
Hey Chris!! Thanks! And yeah, that pedal is crazy!! :))). I didn't know you used to have a CZcams thing. You need to get back to making some vids. Some great stuff there!
Maybe someday! 😎
@@cohguitar Like you don't have enough on your plate ;)
@@LonelyRocker 😎
This is the best video i watched on TONEX. i will buy one if not two thanks to this video.
Awesome! Thank you! Enjoy it..or them! 😎🎸🤘🏽
This is exactly what I was looking for with a toneX video. Thank you!! I’ll probably just be using headphones with it, as I have no space for amps and will be playing after kids bedtimes. 😎👍🏽
Awesome! And my pleasure....enjoy it!
Great demo and impressive bass playing.! :)
Oh thanks so much. I’m primarily a guitar player but I love playing bass. And I think I went a little bass heavy with this mix but couldn’t help it! 🤪🤪
Great vid Dan being one of those who only have a fledgling pedal setup this could be a one stop solution great flexibility , birthday in a couple of months hehe this one has caught my attention.
Thnx Ricky!! It would look good on you!! Get you rocking in no time!!
THIS is the video I was looking for. Focusing on real world setups.
The future version will hopefully have an effects loop and xlr out. It would be great to have time based pedals after the preamp, but before the output if you are using the as your audio interface. That way you can get your whole pedal board into a DAW easily
I knew this would come up. I spoke to IK about an effects loop. If you record, the time based effects go after the speaker anyways. I tried putting the time based effects at the end of the chain after the TONEX pedal and it sounded great. In a real amp I'm effects loop 100%.
Thanks for the in depth real world review!
My pleasure! And thank you!
Dan, this is an awesome channel and review....I'm looking at this pedal now because of this. Amit
Thank you so much! Very appreciated. It’s a great pedal. Enjoy it if you grab it!
Thanks, that review was really detailed. I'm going to recommend my bandmates (and other musician's subscribe), really good info, and great editing too. Keep it up
@@LonelyRocker
So much appreciated! When you coming by?
Good demo! You're really rocking out! I like the idea of this, but I never play with anywhere bear so much gain. I'm a Bluesy/Jazzy/ Fusion kind of player. So much of this gear seems to only cater to heavy guitar sounds....I have the Tonex software and I've created a few captures...it's definitely cool!
Thanks! There are a ton of tones in there. If there’s an amp it can do it. Awesome clean tones for sure. Dig into it!
Whooh, great video Dan! The lonely rocker just...rocks!👏
Thanks so much Dave!
Great insights, thank you.
My pleasure!
BEST ToneX video I’ve seen yet!
Thanks so much!!!!
I appreciate you walking us through the connections, it just about cleared everything up for me, it was a lot more informative than other videos I have watched. One little thing I am unsure of, when you say go out to a PA, would I be able to got straight into a pair of active monitors that take XLRs, or do I need something like a Mixer or some kind of isolation transformer box? Such a cool piece of gear, just getting into this sort of thing pretty much, looks like a picked a good time for it! I had to listen pretty hard to tell any difference when you ran into the effects return.
Awesome! Glad I covered off most of your questions. For live you'd really have to experiment. You need to amplify it somehow. You can do that into any powered system. So straight into a powered PA would do the trick. You could use powered monitors for reference but I don't think the results would be great. But you need to experiment to see what sounds good your YOUR ears...
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Very helpful 💯
Great! Thank you for checking it out!
Also I don't dwell on "exactly this or that. But TONEX captured my SV-20, '78 2203, JVM, JTM 60, and DSL 40, Fender Blues Jr., '66 Bassman head, '72 Twin Reverb to perfection (haven't gotten around to a bunch of other amps I have). What I found is the magic sauce is to goose the gain up a bout 2 notches out of ten when setting up the capture after training for the gainier stuff. I find most modelling stuff to struggle with sweet cleans and "a little hairy". The TONEX software changed all that. It is good enough that I really really really can't pick anything off on my captures. Do yourself a favor and try the "memory lane" cab in the 4x12 section for your Marshall amp captures you'll possibly not need to look farther for the "right" ir.
I noticed that too. It always needs that little push in the gain to get it really close. In iso there is this 3D thing I hear with the real amp over the captures but they are like 90% there and so fun to do. And in a mix? Can’t really the difference. Certainly a good way to build life for your amps. Oooh. Nice tip on the cab. I’ll check it out!
THANK YOU. I have one of these on the way and couldn’t find any videos showing if I could use it into the FX return of my Marshall combo amp. I’m really excited now!
My pleasure! Enjoy yours! It’s a lot of fun….
@@LonelyRocker So can I use it in blackstar combo amplifier 1x12 50w without any issue ?
Dude thank you so much for this review. I watched a bunch of reviews but every one of them was just using the cab IR settings. Thank you for explaining that you can shut that off. I have a seymour duncan powerstage and and mesa 2x12 and didn't want to have to get rid of those and run it through a PA
My pleasure! Glad I could clarify that for you! Cheers!
Have your run the tonex through your seymour duncan yet? I'm thinking about getting one for my setup and selling my two rock studio signiture. I put my tonex through the return on the effects loop so as to run it through the power amp only. So impressed with how good it sounds.
@@007bennett it hasn't came yet but when it does I'll try to remember to come back here and let you know.
@@kevinduncan9686 thanks.
Best video. Congratulations!
Wow, thanks! Much appreciated!!
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Cheers! And thanks!
Great video. I think a good way to use the ToneX pedal would be in the effects loop return of the Grandmeister 40. Then you are able to use the Amp models/profiles from the ToneX and the effects (rev, del, chorus) etc. from the Grandmeister.
Thanks! I have the Grandmeister but haven’t tried that yet. It’s now on my list!
@@LonelyRocker. Maybe you could make a video about that. Would be cool
I got my TONEX Pedal this last March. To be honest, I did have problems with the Pedal straight out of the box. IKM quickly replaced the faulty pedal ... the replacement pedal had some set up problems with my Desktop Computer Interface IKM tech support helped me to solve that problem. I think that any product I purchase should be ready to go, plug n play right out of the box. This stuff does happen, and it happened to me ... the bottom line was that IKM took care of things .... a bit frustrating, and I couldn't use my new pedal for a span of time, but now, it is working! I love the pedal and have many ideas on how to incorporate it into my existing rig. I like the idea of using the effects loop in my amp to pipe my TONEX Pedal output into the power amp. My speaker (in an isolation box) is going to play an important part in the "feel" and responsiveness.
Glad you got everything sorted and that IK was very helpful. So many variables out there with different systems but what's most important is IK stood behind the product. Enjoy the pedal! Sounds like you have a lot of experimenting to do :)
Awesome overview thanks so much! Wondering if I could play backing tracks with this too?
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! No, there is no aux input but plug it into a computer via usb, plug your guitar into the pedal, load the desktop app and jam to any tracks on your computer.
You basically answered all the questions I had regarding possibilities of setting it up. Thanks 😃🤘
Awesome!! Happy to help! And my pleasure!
This is a very good review. You covered almost all the important stuff. I wished this pedal has FX loop built in (since it has stereo output capability, the FX loop should also be stereo loops) & also a separate pair of stereo XLR output with the cab sims/VIR to go to FOH or DAW, while the existing stereo pair 1/4" jacks (with NO cab sims/VIR/IRs) goes to to guitar amp(s). So, i think i'll wait for something else....
Thank you. I knew the question of a loop would come up. But placing effects before or after the TONEX pedal, as I showed in the video, works very well. I’m a tube amp guy and I live in the effects loop. But TONEX is not an amp. It models accurately but it’s not a tube amp with the same organic responses a tube amp has. But creating a signal chain with tone pedals in front and modulation, time and reverb effects after it works VERY well for a super compact setup.
@@LonelyRocker I'm sorry that i didn't explained it better cause i forgot to explain why it's not ideal for me personally (but off course there is a way around). I forgot to mention that without an FX loop, i don't think i will be using the ToneX's built in Reverb even if i have it setup like how u'v suggested above (actually that's how i setup my pedal board, where my "amp in a box", which is a AMT F1 , where my tone pedals are in front of the F1 & the wet pedals after the F1). I don't think i want the built in Reverb of the ToneX to then go into my modulations, delays, etc...That's how i'm seeing it...anyway, my apologies if i am still incorrect... But i have to say that the ToneX is way, way better & worth it, compared to the likes of Iridium, ACS1 & especially the trio of the UA's amp in a box (Dream, etc).
No apologies necessary!! We all have different needs...it's all cool!!
Thanks for the overview, very informative!! Question - if you are going into the power amp or effects loop you just turn off the cabinet emulations on the ToneX correct?
My pleasure and thank you! Correct. If ultimately you are running through an external cab or cab IR you simply bypass the cab on the pedal.
I just ordered one and will use a tube powered amp (Mooer 20w Tube Engine), or if I need more watts I will use my 50w Marshall DSL's return. As far as effects, I have real pedals but rather keep it simple and use my Line6 HXFX or even a full Helix LT for effects only. Add an FX bock in the chain and that will be where this Tonex unit will sit, add effects in front and back of the FX block.
Sweet! Enjoy it!! So many ways to hook it up. I'm sure you'll have tons of fun playing around with it.
Man, what a great video!
But I have a question: I saw in your software demonstration pedals in the software. Can I make a preset with pedals, amplifier, cabinet and use it in the pedal?
Tks!
Thank you! In the pedal you can modify any preset with cabs and amps that are already on the pedal. You even change the virtual microphone positions. You can tweak the reverb, compressor and gate too. Then you can save it creating a new setting and then flip it back to the software. Hope that helps!
As I watch your video I find I like the TONEX Pedal's Powerball a little more than the Actual amp. The Capture is a little crisper.and it's easier to EQ thea out if you don't want it but in a mix it may cut better.
I love the Powerball. I just got the actual amp. But I have to say the capture was REALLY good!
Can you use the USB into a DAW so you can record the processed and DI at the same time? Great vid, ready to pull the trigger
Thank you! You don’t have to do that. You get the plugin with the pedal. So just record DI through the pedal by bypassing the preset and you can add the amp as a plugin. The tones are exactly the same.
Hey Dan, well done. Thanks so much for your efforts.
I was wondering.... this pedal is marketed largely as a capture device but I am more interested in the quality of its sounds without having to capture (factory/community presets etc). Am lazy to do much capturing.
So is it great in just this role (or maybe better to go FM3/FM9 etc)?
Cheers, Peter
Thanks Peter!! I've often said TONEX provides the best amp models for the money. It's not an all in one like the Fractal products but as far as amps and cabs it's just as good in my opinion. I have an FM9 too so Ic an say that. You don't actually capture with the pedal. You do that with the software but the TONEX Pedal comes with the full library of TONEX Tone Models so you will have amps for days. Hope this helps!!
@@LonelyRocker You are a good man! Thanks
Bigsby wants the BONEX to be released asap!
Ha!! You might be right!!
If i use this like you wah and od in front then modulations delay reverb out to a Headrush powered frfr 12" speaker why would it need an fx loop? This is the same as how a Helix or HR floor board send its signal to the frfr cab then xlr out of frfr cab to the PA so they can mix and i can use my frfr as my monitor or louder if i want. Would this setup w possibly analog pedals on my board play nice w the powered frfr cab like a Helix HR or QC would saying i had an eq pedal at the end to roll off highs and lows like the global eq does on integrated floor units?
Many are complaining it has no effects loop but it's silly. Load up pedals in front and behind it. I actually got to try the TONEX pedal with the HeadRush FRFR Cab. I think an EQ pedal right before the cab would be a good thing to do. Sounded a bit boomy so an EQ would be be great right before it and it will sound awesome...
Does the stereo output do anything for the amp models itself or is it just for the reverbs? Thanks for the informative video!
My pleasure! As far as I understand it’s just for the reverbs. No wide stereo guitars coming out if the pedal. Hope that helps!
Thanks for that! Did you get the new axe io one interface to checkout?
My pleasure! Yes I did. My video is already out on that!
New to amp modeling and cab simulations, looking into running a victory v4 amp with built in 2 notes cab sims, and a toneX in the effects loop for additional preamp channels. If i'm running through a full range speaker with the victory's cab sim, would switching to the toneX bypass the victory's cab sim and allow me to run a different one through the toneX? Or would it cause an issue of having 2 cab sims together?
Sounds like a nice setup. The Victory has the built in Two Note right? I believe on the back of the amp it summarizes where and when the cab sims are coming out. And with the captor it’s easy to bypass the cabs whenever you need. Hope that helps!
Great intro to this pedal. If you put the TONEX into the efex loop of a real amp to hear it through the amp speakers, how do you set up the amp so that the 'color' of sound is only, or close to only, the TONEX and not the inherent tones of the amp and speaker?
The best way to do that is go into the FX Loop but you are plugging your guitar into the TONEX pedal. That neutralizes the preamp on the real amp. The only colour is what the power section offers but that's far less than the preamp. You've typically got resonance and presence (not all amps) but you can noon those but they may come in handy for a little tweaking...
Was the complete Powerball head modelled or just the preamp? The more scooped sound of the Tonex may be due to passing a second time through the Depth and Presence controls? Sorry if I missed it... Great review!
Thanks...The whole head was modelled. I think I kept the Presence and Depth neutral but to be honest I have no idea now!!! I shoot these videos alone and always miss something. That's why I love these comments! Thank you!
Hi, Lonely Rocker! Thanks for the great video. Do you know if Tonex pedal can does only a IR/Cab thing, to work together with a Captor loadbox? Cheers!
Thank you! Funny you ask. I was thinking about that yesterday. Yes, you can turn off the amp so you can definitely use it as a cab only. You can also load in 3rd party IRs. I should do a video about mixing tech. Combining different products. Would that be interesting?
@@LonelyRocker Would be great!
I think this might be the way to go. I was thinking about buying a kemper or a fractal or something, but if the tonex amp modelling is as powerful as it seems, that might be the way to go. Im not really looking to replace my entire pedalboard cuz i love my weird pedals and vintage pedals, i dont want to use modelling for all my pedals, theres something gratifying about using them. I do like using real speaker cabs or i could run the tonex as a di or a power amp like an orange pedal baby or a quilter or something. I do have one tonex pedal the x space and it is phenomenal. I want to make the tonex into a rockman lol
This is a great option if you like integrating other things. And you cam make do without an effects loop. It’s a really great option, affordable and highly flexible. Rockman 2023! 😂
the website and user interface are a disaster. Plus you cannot have a mix of IR and non-IR outputs like you can on kemper or helix. To me that is a big fail. So if - in your case - you want to go into a quilter and real speaker cabs, you would want to disable the IR but then if you are simultaneously going into a house system or your DAW, you'd be missing the speaker sims...
What about, let's say I want to use it with my living room practice amp which is a fender mustang. Can I just plug it in the amp input and set my amp on an empty channel?
There’s nothing stopping you from doing that but you will be putting an amp,model into a preamp so you’ll never hear what the amp models are supposed to sound like. It will work but not as intended.
using it in the fx loop only works on amps with a series fx loop. If it's parallel, you'll have 2 preamps. The amp' and the Tonex. Others you forgot, is into a power amp in of any Modelling Combo, like the Katana or Catalyst, or Line 6 Power CAB. Also used in the FX loop of a Modeller, like the Axe FX, Helix, Helix Stomp etc, along with MIDI, to us Tones Amp as the amp portion of a preset on the Modeller (Modeller preset sends MIDI to switch to appropriate Tonex preset for that overall preset).
I realized doing this there are so many possible scenarios. Thanks for contributing some more!
Regarding running it into a power amp in of a katana, I know you would switch the CAB IR off but the amp model would still have the preamp and power amp characteristics in the tone. Are you not then doubling up on the power amp? Does the Poweramp of the katana bring much colour to the tone?
@@ryanmccabe7821 No more than any other digital class a/b power amp would. If anything it may change the feel/response a tiny bit (depending on how you were listening to the Tonex before). Remember the 'preamp' of the Katana is the modelling engine, ALL of the modelling engine, the modelled amp (both pre and power), FX, stomps etc. Using the power amp in, bypasses that and just feeds the signal into the A/B power amp of the Katana, which on the Katana just aplifies it's 'modeller' preamp. Speaker is not an FRFR. In fact the WAZA speaker is (imho) just a better Greenback.
Just ordered mine from IK! Got a GREAT price as I own two licenses for TONEX MAXX and A5-full with every ass on
Yes. That is great about them. Fair pricing if you already have product. Awesome!
Does the bundle with the software give everything needed to capture amps on hand, or do you need to purchase the Capture Box (or other hardware) separately?
You still need an interface with a tramping feature or a separate reamping box. Tonex capture or any reamping box. The software handles the rest.
hi there, thanks for the superb video! i am mainly interested in the tonex pedal into amp fx return stuff. one question, all the overdriven presets are noisy as hell. is that normal? (cab is globally deactiveted). noisy as hell means, the noise overlays the note/chord ringing out, finger movements on strings noise unavoidable, the noisegate doesn't really help in that situation ... thanks!
Thank you. It’s hard for me to understand what you perceive as noise. I would play with the volume levels on the pedal. I did push it once and it was quite noisy. Try pulling back on the volume or gain to see if it gets you there.
Could you write them and ask to consider patch stacking options so if we decide to use pedal presets we can stack the for example patch A to patch B at the same time etc
You can do that inside Amplitube. There is no physical pedal for Amplitube but that can be done in the computer. I would keep an eye on IK. I'm sure they are far from done with this...
Pedal sounds great. How does it feel? Have you tried it through FRFR setup?
I actually played it through a headrush frfr cab. Felt pretty good actually. Definitely works for a simple live setup. If I couldn’t lug my amps I’d be ok with that setup.
@@LonelyRocker Thanks and good to know. Very tempting to go this route for those far away gigs or venues that require a lot of walking to reach the stage.
For sure. And it interfaces great with the app. Plus if you have your own amps you can model them and throw them on the pedal.
Hi there. Great video! I have a Roland JC40 combo amp with stereo (L/R) Return in the effects loop. Am i able to hook up the L/R Output of the Tonex into this input and use the JC40s amp and speaker to hear the amp models and pedals from the Tonex?
Thanks!! Yes, if you use the effects loop you can bypass the preamp in your JC40 and just use the power amp and speakers. I describe in the video how to do that. It's really simple. Good luck and enjoy!
@@LonelyRocker thanks for the response back!
My pleasure! Thnx for checking out the video :)
Is there any acoustic guitar sound in the preset?
Or is it possible to import from ToneNET?
Or is this a product for electrics at the moment?
It's an amp modeler...So mostly tube amps for electric guitar....
thanx for a great video with a lot of good info.
i have some q:s:
1 - what happens if you capture a delay (or chorus/ flanger/ treble… anything that’s not built in) pedal?
2 - what happens if you capture a reverb pedal? easy way to get unlimited reverbs?
3 - if you want to record your pedalboard sound to your pc, having a delay pedal last on the board (for example), you can’t use the tonex pedal as an audio interface, right?
the tonex pedal has to be last for it to work as an audio interface?
My pleasure! To be clear, this pedal is not designed to capture any effects. There is no practical reason why you’d want to do that. For one, that signal would be so complex to model, and from a tone perspective it would just be a jumbled mess. Plus you couldn’t adjust the effects levels. If you want to capture your pedalboard going into an amp on the pedal you just take the last output in your signal chain and plug into the audio input. Then USB into your computer. If you have any pedals connected via the output of TONEX I don’t think the USB will catch those. Only what goes into the input. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker thanx, but i've seen it in done other videos, so i'm pretty sure the tonex pedal is capable of capturing pedals...
in one video, it was said that it even improved the captured pedal, as the tonex pedal added more options to change the sound, than the original stomp pedal has.
in the tonex software capture screen, you can select what you're capturing and one of the options is stomp box (if i remember the correct wording for it).
in the tonex net, or whatever it's called, i'm pretty sure you can also search for pedal captures.
i haven't checked this out properly though, so that's why i'm asking about it.
it could be that all captured pedals are distortion pedals, but i don't know.
it would be pretty cool if you could capture other pedals as well...
@Andreas Bryntesson You asked about effects. You can capture an amp with distortion, fuzz, boost or drive pedals. You can even capture these pedals on their own. But no effects. No reverbs, delays, chorus etc. it says so in the documentation. Hers my pedal capture video. How To Make a Guitar PEDAL Tone Model With TONEX CAPTURE
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@@LonelyRocker ok cool 👍
thanx for that info and your video about capturing pedals 👍
i have another q for you:
when recording into a daw, can you record 2 tracks at the same time (or maybe that's more of a daw question?)?
one track with the sound of the tonex pedal and one di track?
You can't just with the pedal but you certainly can record 2 tracks at once if you have the hardware to allow you to do that. Maybe an ABY pedal that lets you split the signal. That would be a cheap what to do it...some devices give you separate DI outs. But if you are recording with TONEX use the pedal as the interface, bypass the preset to record a DI signal and add your amp in the DAW with the plugin. I talked about that in the video...
Is it correct that we can create a "preset" in Amplitube 5.5 , add reverb, delay to our chain and then export that preset into ToneX thus giving us an amp capture "preset" that now includes reverb and delay?
No. That’s incorrect. You can load Tonex amps into AmpliTube but not the other way round.
I was intrigued by toneX on my M1 MacBook Pro, and I assiduously compared the universal audio Amps plugins with the Tonéx Sims (Marshall amps in particular), and I have to say I found Tonéx fatiguing, and just not as enjoyable as the UAD plug-ins.
I’m not sure how much additional tweaking IK multimedia did over the last month or so when I auditioned these sounds but if UA ever comes out with a pedal that incorporates my already purchased Amp plugins, I might hold out.
I captured my own amps and then did a direct comparison. Sounded VERY close to me. I haven’t tried the UA stuff so I can’t say. Maybe I need to get on that.
Great review thank you
I have 3 possible applications I’d love to use this for
Running 1 or 2 Headrush FRFR cabs for home / jams / PA “less” garage rehearsals ?
For gigs .. as I don’t have an in ear system ,so running one FRFR to the stage for volume and natural feedback
And the other mono out to the PA ?
And finally running an acoustic preamp model for coffee shop gigs ??
If it works in these applications like I’m imagining it will be one mighty solution to all my guitar needs !!
My pleasure!! I would love to hear your results on those tests!
@@LonelyRocker sorry should have phrased more clearly !! I’m asking your advise as to if these things are possible??
I’m in Australia and unlikely to get one for months
@@QuickSticks8771 Oh sorry! I've never used those cabs but they are powered. I can't say how it would sound but in theory they should work great. You can bypass cabs in the TONEX pedal so you can experiment. There are two outputs. It is stereo. I don't know if you can switch it to dual mono but if there is no stereo image present in the tone model it should be ok. But you'd have to test it. As far as an acoustic amp model, again this is a great experiment but I haven't tried that myself...Hope you get your hands on one soon to try all of this. Good luck!
@@LonelyRocker 🤣me too !! thanks got your time
will the headrush speacker work with this unit?
can i run tonex to clean channel of an amp instead of fx loop return?
I would NOT advise that if you want to genuinely amplify the tones on the TONEX Pedal. Going into the front of the amp, whether the clean or dirty channel, will cause the preamp in the amp to respond to the input signal and colour the tone. Like pushing a boost pedal into a clean channel creates some nice breakup (depending on the amp). Going into the loop bypasses the preamp completely and sends the TONEX pedal straight into the power amp amplifying the signal with no influence from the preamp. Hope that helps.
Great video, just got one recently & there’s a lot to cover! How do I assign for example a clean tone, crunch and high gain so I can switch like I would use a foot pedal? Running into an frfr speaker. Thanks!
Thank you!!! You can cycle through patches by clicking each button on the pedal and then scrolling through the presets. Once on a patch you like you can store it. Pretty simple. Hope this helps! And thanks for your time watching this video :)
@@LonelyRocker you mean store in a location that o choose? For instance, the left switch would be clean, middle crunch, right high gain. Can do from the pedal or has to be done from the software. Thanks anyway!
You can organize from the software to ensure the sounds you want are in the correct bank. So in Bank 1 set patches A, B and C to the three tones you want and then send to the pedal. The top right dial scrolls between banks. Just scroll to 1 (or whatever bank you set) and your three patches will be there accessible by each button...
I'm a guitar player and am looking to buy a bass guitar. My plan was to get rid of my Orange 15W and pick up a 2x12 bass cabinet, and then a separate guitar head and bass head. I feel like I'm looking at this situation from the year 2000 and I don't understand how all this new modeling tech works. Would it work then to just pick up a bass cabinet and head, and use a tonex or similar through that when I want to play guitar? If I save money by not needing a guitar head, I can buy a nicer bass. I just enjoy jamming at home.
The problem is bass and guitar speakers are different. If the bass head had an effects loop you could try it. I mean, it would technically work but not sure how ideal it would be for guitar. Maybe a clean power amp and a speaker cab might be a better option. Or even an FRFR speaker for both.
Do you think it's possible to use only the noise gate/compressor/reverb functions of the TONEX pedal by themselves (no amp modelling) in the FX loop of a real amp?
You could try. I don’t know how well it would work but you can bypass the amps and cabs. I’ve run just pedal models and that works great.
I have a question i run the tonex from the return of my fb 25 and works great but when i try through a blackstar ht stage series 212 no sound comes through , do some amps with fx loops not work this way do you have any insights on this thank you
Some amps have a loops level adjustment. I notice the HT has one. Also I see that it has its own DI out as well. Maybe there’s something happening there somewhere. Hard to diagnose from here.
@LonelyRocker thank you for your help , great content and videos you've been a awesome help
OK , lets see some clean amp tone demos on this pedal . . Any kind of these gadgets will do Distortion . . give me some really good cleans !
I actually recorded some nice clean tones but hated my performance so I cut them out ;). Great clean tones in there though!!
Great CHANNEL.. i have Tonex Pedal and i must buy an Headphone. Do you know the impedance of headphones out? What kind of headphones do you recommend? Thank you very muchhhhhhhhhhh
Thanks so much!! That's a good question. They don't publish that but I use high impedance headphones and they work fine. I think any decent studio headphones would work.
@@LonelyRocker I wrote to Ik Multimedia. Impedance Headphones is 68 Ohm. I try Beyerdynamic 990 pro. I play metal music with Tonex.
OK, so thank you for the fly Reagan scenario, I am a musician, trying to use my paddleboard, including this as my total and set up. I don’t wanna carry it out anymore, are used to use a Bosch one, that works great, but
Here’s what I am finding, turning off all simulations
Play garbage, garbage, which I find highly unlikely, considering everybody says, it’s great, or the GT one is already better than this which I also find Hialeah. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for the hints! I would like to use it too as ir loader with my amp head plus loadbox, I've tried to find the manual in their website to check it out but I don't find it anywhere.. And it would be nice to know if I could use it as 2nd interface to make the captures, so mainly to output to my amp the audio from usb..that way it wouldn't be needed a reamp box or kind of, but anyway I have a lehle which can be used as reamp box too.
Cheers!
My pleasure! So technically yes, you can use it as a CAB Loader. You can bypass the amp and just load the Cab. You can also create presets with 3rd party IRs. I've noticed the level when using just IRs is a little lower. That might just be a small tweak. As for capturing amps, no. You can't model with the pedal. You need a reamping box. I have Tonex Capture. That's inexpensive and a GREAT box to have if you are capturing.
@@LonelyRocker thanks for replying and sharing your thoughts! What I meant, is not use it as a reampbox but as to output audio from USB through the mono output and finally to the amp. Theoretically it's output is amp level signal, so then the reamp box wouldn't be needed. As soon as my arrives I'll give it a try. 😁
@@nevesnow oh I see. You’d really have to watch your levels. It’s not designed to do that. There is no safety like reamping boxes have. You could damage your amp if you get it wrong. Like the AXE IO gives you a passive output to match the level of a guitar. I wouldn’t go there if you like your amp 😂
@@LonelyRocker you have a good point! 😅🤣
Got a question , im running tonex into a ENGL FB25 into the return on efx loop , if I want to add some modulation efx like delay or phase can I add those pedal to this chain of running just to return
This is a great question. You could try running them in a chain with the TONEX pedal. Perhaps modulation before the TONEX, delays after etc. I put my delays and reverbs into the loop of an amp when using the full features of the real amp. But putting time based effects after the TONEX pedal I think would make them come AFTER the "preamp" which would make more sense to me. Play with that and let me know how it sounds! I may experiment with that myself.
@LonelyRocker will do , and im new to tonex ,what im trying to do is be able to utilize all the diff tone options of tonex captures and all through either my ENGL(real Amp) or my Helix and Power cab and also be able to add some of the mod effects that tonex dont have , and how to correctly hook that up if possible
The fun is in experimenting. That ENGL sounds great on its own!!! Just use your ear and start at low volumes so you don't blow anything :). Have fun with it!!!
I have a headrush pedalboard. I just bought the Tonex because I honestly miss having the power to use the pedals I want, without a bunch of extra wiring. The delay/reverb/modulation effects are really basic on my giant headrush. Also, the amp models have just become boring since I’ve had it for 6ish years. Gonna be running a tonex with a Fender fr-12. Hope it’ll stack up to my headrush though my EVH fx loop 😬
So many great options to customize your own rigs...great time to be a guitar player!
It can be used with a FRFR cab?
I don't see why not. It's just a powered speaker as far as I understand.
Hi! Do you know if I can use the Left Output with no cabsim to connect It to my amp and the Right Output to plug It to a DI Box for the PA using cab sim?
This is a question I will be asking IK. It’s a stereo output. I don’t see a setting to make it dual mono. I will get back to you on this.
@@LonelyRocker Thank You!
I see it is stereo out, does that me I can do 2 amp sounds at once? Like Mesa on the left and a Laney on the right.
No. The stereo out is for the stereo reverb. This is not designed to stack amps. But you can do that through the Amplitube plugin on the desktop...
@@LonelyRocker Cool. Thanks!
Hey, one more question after watching the entire review. The tone X app itself only comes with so many amp models… most are optional purchases. Does this pedal come with every single amp unlocked?
My understanding is it comes with TONEX Max included. That means you get everything TONEX has to offer...
Yea, you get Tonex Max, thought for sure it was the standard, had to look.
Can I record A Guitar sound from a recording or from a CD or record into the Tonex and play that guitar tone live?
No. TONEX actually plays riffs through the amp to model the sound. It has no way to listen to pre recorded material.
if I purchased the TONEX, how would I use it with my current EVH head and 2x12 cabinet?
If I wanted to use the IR/Speaker cabs in the TONEX unit, would I have to purchase one of a power speaker, FRFR speaker, of PC monitors?
Basically, I want to know what options I have using this pedal to create an “amp in the room” scenario
I showed how in this video. You can run the Tonex Pedal into the Return of your EVH. This will amplify the pedal and you'll hear it through your cab. But turn off the CAB IR in Tonex for this setup. You can also use the Tonex Pedal as a Cab Loader if you use a load box with your amp. I did another video about that...check my channe for it.
@@LonelyRocker thANK YOU.
In your opinion, would I be getting the best out of the TONEX if I ran it through the loop of my amp?
Or would I be better off getting a powered speaker/monitors?
I think going through your loop into a good cab would be the most realistic method but through an FRFR cab you could take advantage of more sounds...all depends on what you want.
Okay, you're the only one who covers the live situations and I searched and searched. I ultimately found in comments that you have to buy a poweramp to connect it to a cabinet but does the type of poweramp matters ? I mean is there any difference if it's tube, solid state, class A, B, C, D ? I was wondering about a compact D class poweramp.
Other question ; you mentioned that it you want to jam you can just plug it the PA ? I assume that you do that by a mix console before but as I'm not a sound engineer, how do you do that ? You plug it to one channel of the mix console using the mono left out ?
I think the most neutral power-amp would be the best so it won't influence the tones...unless you want it to. As for PA, either straight into a powered mixer or into a board if that's what the venue has.
@@LonelyRocker Thank you for the answer.
So you''re saying running this thing in the effects loop of an amp will sound really good for live band application ? Because I could hardly tell with your engl ...lol. Sounded almost identical if not identical. I also have the boss waza tube amp expander which has a build in power amp I wonder if that would sound good.. I just feel like this is all too good to be true.
I'm telling you what you heard was true...there was no behind the scenes adjustments or trickery. I put the model through the loop, made sure the levels were the same and let everyone hear it. You decide ;)
Where do you get your time based and modulation effects when using this? A HX effects? Or does the software/Website have effects also🤔🤔🤔Thinking about buying one of these….
If you buy this you will get amplitube for your computer...for live you can add whatever you like. HX Effects would be a great device. Or you could use pedals..whatever you prefer...
@@LonelyRocker great thank you! Yes I have a HX effects… Can I run a TONEX pedal through my Fender deluxe reverb🤔🤔🤔Or is it mostly meant for FrFr’s and studio monitors?
Sweet...I'd only recommend using a real amp if it has an effects loop. This way the TONEX pedal can bypass the amp's preamp...then you would turn off the speaker on your TONEX presets and let the amp's speaker handle that job. You could also put TPNEX into the loop of the HX and host your Cab IRs in the HX Effects. I did a video about that with my Helix...you should check that out...
@@LonelyRocker I will thank you Sir👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
How many amp and cabs come preloaded? Are they models or captures? Anything notable?
The pedal comes shipped with Tonex Max which has something like 100 amps, 50 Pedals and 1100 Tone Models. no shortage to start!
@@LonelyRocker I saw that, but nothing preloaded in the pedal right out of the box?
Oh, the pedal is full..all of the banks and patches are filled with presets from the app...it's ready to go out of the box....but whatever is in Tonex can be zapped over to the pedal in seconds....
@@LonelyRocker Awesome! Thanks!
Whats sound like threw a line aray pa . I put multy effect board threw and sound's terrible. But threw my valve amps of cause sound's great .and one no
Doesn't the ToneX output at line level?
Would this be problematic for most FX loops that are instrument level?
There’s no amplifier in the pedal and you can easily control the output volume. No issues.
@@LonelyRocker
This is relieving to hear
How is it as an audio interface? Any issues with latency? I only play in my mancave home studio via my PC and studio monitors. TYIA
It’s very basic. Works good if you’re just recording guitar. It has no speaker outs so you can’t connect monitors to it but you can record guitar and bass with it.
@@LonelyRocker What audio interface would you recommend under $500 US? There are so many out there. Thanks again!
@robnolette what do you need? Number of inputs. Things like that.
@LonelyRocker Just me playing guitar, heavy music, so 1 input? I use PC Win10 and software plugins only and my studio monitors. Lowest latency and great tone are musts!
@robnolette Well if you are interested in TonEX look at Ik’s line of AXE/IO interfaces. They have three sizes. They all come with TonEX and Amplitude so you’ll have a ton of tones to play with. I’ve reviewed them on my channel.
Something that would be really cool is if they gave just little incentives for people that make good captures. Like points or something.
You never know! BTW, if you make great captures you could sell your own TONEX packs. Many are already doing that.
Can you run a clean, DI out of output 2, and the amp out of output 1?
Not as far as I know. A few have asked that.
It looks like you can, kind of. Set the pedal to interface mode, and the output to split. It’ll send the amp tone out of USB 1, and di to USB 2. The analog outs are still using stereo out though
It looks like you can, kind of. Set the pedal to interface mode, and the output to split. It’ll send the amp tone out of USB 1, and di to USB 2. The analog outs are still using stereo out though
Great info..but the dog intro did it for me!
This video has been out for a week and you're the first to mention my dog!!!! He appreciates it ;)
Can TONEX Pedal function as Pitch Changer to lower/raise a pitch?
No. Other than reverb it’s a pure amp box. No effects.
@@LonelyRocker But it is possible to have other sounds like chorus and flanger from Tonex MAX?
@@DaveJohnsonGroup TONEX is all amps at every level. If you want effects, that’s what Amplitube is for. I believe that comes with the pedal too? You should check first. But you can’t load those effects on the TONEX pedal. If you want effects for live you add pedals like I showed in the video. If you are recording you can add your TONEX amps inside Amplitube and add more effects there.
@@LonelyRocker OK. I cannot load effect sounds from Amplitude on ToneX...That is a problem. But thank you anyway!
The usb out tone (using it as an interface) did not work out well. I should have tried it to my interface before returning it.
The thing with this pedal is you can just use the USB to record a DI tone and move your pedal preset over to the plugin and add it in mix. A far more versatile way to use TONEX.
Could it be used to add another Channel to an Amp?
Technically yes. If you use the effects return option I demonstrated this give you a virtual preamp into your existing physical amp. The only challenge here is if you wanted to switch between the two live mid song. This would be tricky because your guitar input would change from the pedal to the front of your amp. If you had some kind of fancy switching then you could do this live.
@@LonelyRocker thank you!!
No effects loop on my amp. Can I just go into front?
Technically you can but you will be colouring the amp models coming out of the pedal. For example, taking a model of a Mesa Boogie and putting it through whatever amp you have. It won’t be a pure Mesa anymore. It will be a Mesa going through your amp. Going into the loop removes the preamp and limiting the influence of your amp to just the power stage.
Thanks.
i downloaded your preset. But it sounds horrible on my system.What did i do wrong?
It’s an amp only. You need to pair it with a cabinet. Try the Eagle’s Claw cab. Or experiment. It will sound good. I promise 😎
@@LonelyRocker ah. Just got it. Ingot the revv in your video. Thats why i bougth to try it out. Iam not into digital normaly
Glad you figured it out. I'm a real amp guy too but TONEX has been fun to mess around with. Enjoy my tone models!
The Tone x pedal I received was defective, sent it to IK for an exchange . That was 2weeks ago. After 10 days I asked for a new pedal or a refund and IK did not respond to my email. Not very happy with theirCustomer service
Sorry you are not having a good experience. IK is generally very good about things like this. Stay on them. I’m sure they will make it right. Good luck.
Why didnt they put an effects loop on the tone x
Welcome to the party. This has been asked endlessly in the comments. Simplest answer, it doesn't need one.
@@LonelyRocker
Sure about that..sounds like it does if everyone is asking about it
@@christopherwalker2097 Badly worded reply by me. Not EVERYONE is asking but many are. The TONEX pedal is a small form factor and not everyone needs a loop. Some do. Many ways to sue it without a loop unless your setup is dependant on one.
@@LonelyRocker
4 cable method is kind of a standard these days. They just dropped the ball.
@@christopherwalker2097
Just put the time based FX after the unit ffs
That is CRAZY the non-difference between the actual amp and the Tonex into the return of the same amp!!! Sold…
It shocked me too...can you say Amp Preservation?! ;-)
@@LonelyRocker preservation…separation…who knows?!? Tnx for this post. You won the Internet.
@@-plexico- Haha! I'll wear my gold ribbon with pride!! ;)
Great but there’s no chorus delay flange etc🤔
No. That’s been clearly stated. This is an amp modeler. I think they did the right thing keeping this focused on the best amp modeling. Not every device needs to be an all in one.
@@LonelyRocker so you need another device to get effects 🤔
@masterofreality230
Some one needs to do a blind challenge, could be interesting.
I keep getting emails from youtube about this comment, so I take advantage of leaving one more... without fearIn a mix concept with many more elements, even plugins could sound very good, but in the real world when you've been playing tube amps for decades and countless equipment for more than 3 decades, when it comes to playing live, rehearsing or simply feeling the instrument, your notes, the depth of the sound of your hands reflected in a real sound, there is no blind challenge worth it, unfortunately that remains to play on your computer or simply defend your pocket product with fanaticism... and I use Fractal, QC, Line 6 Helix in different scenes, but I know digital sound very well as well as analog... it's decades .... when something is plastic... it's plastic... in my opinion I clarify... and personally, everyone should use what they like or prefer... I don't get involved in that... sorry for the offended...
Fair is fair!
Hey, you know what you like and there is no crime in that!