This is highlights from the skyjay vs riddles matches watch the matches: • Collision 2023 - Riddl... • Collision 2023 - Riddl... watch collision stream: / collisionseriestv
hes just not a top player. mkleo should have been there instead of skyjay but he got fucked by his pikachu weakness. skyjay got lucky and this is his peak
Def. I love riddles and hes a great player but skyjay was clearly the besr player this tourney and should have won. If riddles ran anyone other kazuya he woulda lost
I went to see who won the set after this video and all i can say is why does everyone get hit by kazuya side b of ledge. Its literally so painful to see it happen to skyjay of all people
And riddles does that alot, skyjay has proven he can hang with and beat the best in the world, hes just gotta clean up mistakes like this. But hes certainly improved since i last saw him play, the biggest difference being the shift in playstyle from round to round. He wasnt getting baited, or falling into habit or auto pilot with his combos, he was thinking all the time and being more careful. And the side b stalls off stage, makes me proud to be a firecat main with skyjay leading the pack!
Because high level smash isn't a flow chart of, "I'm never going to get hit by that again" mentality lmao, it's constant multiple reads and adaptions at a very fast pace. That one thing you thought was bad, might just work against you one day. So yeah basically, Riddles timed Skyjay's edge habbits.
I will still say it doesn't deserve to stun when the moves description literally says only stuns if they are hit at the beginning. But the aerial version just ignores that. But yeah, at that level you probably shouldn't get hit by it offline. Online's a different story.
@DJSerpent this though. But also, tbf it seems like Riddles was saving it. Hadnt done it until that very moment to make SkyJay think "okay he hasn't gone for this all set so he won't ever go for it" then he went for it. Also it's very annoying because, in respecting side B, you have to give up some ledge pressure to outspace it to make sure you won't get hit by it. Especially someone as slow as incin.
It’s especially Skyjay played as well as he did this set considering Kazuya is one of Incineroar’s WORST matchups. This run was the stuff of legends man
@@foe7622 Even if you know how to DI, the Kazuya can still guess 50/50 if you DI in or out and respond accordingly. Its a essentially a guessing game if the opponent knows how to DI ewgf.
@@yuanwang9324 Exactly, this is exactly why I don't get the people who say Kazuya isn't as good as he seems. Yes, he'ss low and has a simple gameplan, but unlike some, if he gets to you, it's literally a coin flip if he takes your stock, especially with a Kazuya player like Riddles.
this was absolutely insane to watch live the crowd went absolutely insane when SkyJay beat Spargo and advanced Would have been the most insane thing ever if SkyJay ended up winning, but ya know, Kazuya
I wish Skyjay won instead of riddles. The fact he made it this far with crazy upsets with someone like incin is crazy. Riddles was carried like usual making his run unimpressive
0:24 how the hell did he know Riddles would up-B and not jump???? Kazuya’s jump and up-B look way too similar and there’s no way he reacted because he was already off stage and hitting revenge. What a read. Skyjay is different.
It's pretty similar to losing if you got beaten this way with a low tier character while using the most broken character of the game. Congrats to my boy Sky because this is fire.
Love the mid tier option select mentality. A lot of people can’t handle losing when they try their hardest, so they intentionally pick bad characters and pretend like they are some sort of righteous crusader against tierwhoring, when it’s really just an ego protection mechanism. Skyjay himself admitted he couldn’t close the set. A player with the classic ‘lul my char sux so I can never ACTUALLY lose’ mentality would never get to skyjay’s level. You’ll never get anywhere in competition if you’re scared of losing
This is probably one reason why they made incineroar have bad move and air speed. The 0 to death would be almost too easy. On the same level as prepatch chrom up b combos.
"He's so slow! he's an honest low tier" Just because he's lacking in some areas does not make him honest, that 0-death was literally just 2 up airs combod into a move that kills at 0. Incin has some insanely oppressive cheese that's fun to watch but infuriating to play against. I will say though, if there is any character in the game that deserves for this to happen to them its definitely kazuya. Enjoy a taste of your own medicine lol
The way upair is designed makes platforms not very helpful so that combo wasn't true Without a platform you can do that combo riddles just got caught off guard which is something incin can take advantage of with his 0td strings
Dude low tiers are so hype, loved watching this set
Okay I love Incin, but he is AT LEAST mid-tier
Yeah, good match between 2 low-mid tier characters.
Yea love to Kazuya, the honest mid-tier
If y'all still think Incin is low tier then I wanna try what you're smoking.
@@AJ_Steele did… you just call Kazuya low-mid tier..? 💀
He may not have won the tournament, but he won over the hearts of the people. Sickest run by any player in the history of Ultimate.
the Sickest run by any player in the history of Ultimate is second place
Dude, I swear to god you smash players. It's the third video in a row I see someone say the exact same thing
Why do I feel the same kind of aura as the time Nairo’s ganon fucking demolished Light’s fox
Incineroar has Ganon DNA, 4 years later and still hype af
Nairo fsmashed so that Skyjay could sideb
This set was so fast, 5 games in basically 12 minutes? Actually insane
I swear, Skyjay is the only person that can clip his opponent the whole set and still lose because kazuya mishima
hes just not a top player. mkleo should have been there instead of skyjay but he got fucked by his pikachu weakness. skyjay got lucky and this is his peak
@@normalman23 He is the best Incineroar in the world. He plays a low tier and still manages to get this far. Put some respect on his name.
@@normalman23 got lucky by defeating:
mr. E
dabuz
maister
spargo x2
lima
WITH INCINEROAR.
yeah. he's definitely not a top player, he just got lucky
@@normalman23 he is most definitely a top player lmao you are delusional
@@GreyLifts he isnt?
If Incineroar had better movement and arial speed he would be top tier
Yeah but that's pretty much every character. Incin is already a very solid character and doesn't need buffs (as much as I'd like some)
Tbh it wouldn't even have to be that much better.
If this guy was like 20% faster he would be insanely scary.
He would be wolf
@@Staticsheep28 he definitely needs some buffs, he's like c tier and just a few buffs could make him viable but not broken
@@Staticsheep28 he’s solid, but he’s a low tier, he could definitely use some buffs
Skjay deserved the W, he was built different but Kazuya was Kazuya
Def. I love riddles and hes a great player but skyjay was clearly the besr player this tourney and should have won. If riddles ran anyone other kazuya he woulda lost
You know what, frick yall, riddles earned this and his run was hype. D riders of skyjay
@@GerardLESC respectfully, he was using kazuya
Did you count how many electrics Riddles spammed in neutral the first two games? Absolutely insane.
Riddles dropped a lot of combos and died to a lot of weird shit. He seemed very unfamiliar and flustered or something
Skyjay is insane but also such a cheese lord lmao
Incin needs it otherwise he would be unplayable.
He's like a much more spacially technical Kazuya, but he still suffers a lot from speed
This was an awesome set to watch. The spargo skyjay set also
I'm starting to think all of mexico is built different
The commentators were hyped af
This set saw so hype! Just power vs power! BOOM😂
This matchup is an absolute fucking thrill to watch. I lowkey think that Kazuya is already a blast to watch, but Incineroar too?! Like. Come on xd
I know we're at collision but this set is lookin like a CAR
I went to see who won the set after this video and all i can say is why does everyone get hit by kazuya side b of ledge. Its literally so painful to see it happen to skyjay of all people
And riddles does that alot, skyjay has proven he can hang with and beat the best in the world, hes just gotta clean up mistakes like this. But hes certainly improved since i last saw him play, the biggest difference being the shift in playstyle from round to round. He wasnt getting baited, or falling into habit or auto pilot with his combos, he was thinking all the time and being more careful. And the side b stalls off stage, makes me proud to be a firecat main with skyjay leading the pack!
Because high level smash isn't a flow chart of, "I'm never going to get hit by that again" mentality lmao, it's constant multiple reads and adaptions at a very fast pace. That one thing you thought was bad, might just work against you one day. So yeah basically, Riddles timed Skyjay's edge habbits.
@@DJSerpent this, not getting hit by cheese on elite smash is different to not getting hit by cheese in tournament against high level players
I will still say it doesn't deserve to stun when the moves description literally says only stuns if they are hit at the beginning. But the aerial version just ignores that.
But yeah, at that level you probably shouldn't get hit by it offline. Online's a different story.
@DJSerpent this though. But also, tbf it seems like Riddles was saving it. Hadnt done it until that very moment to make SkyJay think "okay he hasn't gone for this all set so he won't ever go for it" then he went for it.
Also it's very annoying because, in respecting side B, you have to give up some ledge pressure to outspace it to make sure you won't get hit by it. Especially someone as slow as incin.
It’s especially Skyjay played as well as he did this set considering Kazuya is one of Incineroar’s WORST matchups. This run was the stuff of legends man
When I read 0-death and saw Kazuya I almost didn't click... almost
This might be my favourite set of all time
Riddles couldn't do any combo from 0 to death to Skyjay, it was all the other way around, the best set of all smash
Kazuya shouldn't be 0 to deathing you if you know how to DI the combos which majority of top players do
@@yuanwang9324 Guess Leo doesn't know how to DI lol
@@foe7622 Even if you know how to DI, the Kazuya can still guess 50/50 if you DI in or out and respond accordingly. Its a essentially a guessing game if the opponent knows how to DI ewgf.
@@yuanwang9324 Exactly, this is exactly why I don't get the people who say Kazuya isn't as good as he seems. Yes, he'ss low and has a simple gameplan, but unlike some, if he gets to you, it's literally a coin flip if he takes your stock, especially with a Kazuya player like Riddles.
ah yes the greatest incineroar combos
Gotta love DLC characters
The best Collision EVER
Seeing the title and riddles I thought I knew what was going down but oh my
Dude was possessed
1:30 skyway should have fucking taunted on him
this was absolutely insane to watch live
the crowd went absolutely insane when SkyJay beat Spargo and advanced
Would have been the most insane thing ever if SkyJay ended up winning, but ya know, Kazuya
HE KEEPS DOING IT
AGAIN
it was so scary cause incineroar was getting 60% off of one well charged special
JOOOOOHN CENAAAAA
I wish Skyjay won instead of riddles. The fact he made it this far with crazy upsets with someone like incin is crazy. Riddles was carried like usual making his run unimpressive
Cope
yeah carried by Kazuya in that Sonic set right?
True, riddlezzzzz Is so boring to watch, is like the same game from years ago
You can say that but he beat his bracket demon Sonix and beat mkleo, thats not a run to be looked down on
@@yuanwang9324 Carried by DLC
Some of my favourite clips of all time
I ain’t never seen anything like this in a Grand Finals LOL
Just throwing out the fact that he double eliminated Spargo this tourney as well
Incineroar mains rise up
0:24 how the hell did he know Riddles would up-B and not jump???? Kazuya’s jump and up-B look way too similar and there’s no way he reacted because he was already off stage and hitting revenge. What a read. Skyjay is different.
Edit: to to too lol
He probably used the jump already. He double jumped on stage, and as soon as he tried landing on the platform, Skyjay knocked him out
Kazzzzzzzuya mizzzzhima
No one counter picks in Ultimate apparently
Skyjay agreed that Kazuya is actually one of Incin's worst matchups
Skyjay was literally the better player, Kazuya is so dumb
It's pretty similar to losing if you got beaten this way with a low tier character while using the most broken character of the game.
Congrats to my boy Sky because this is fire.
First off Kazuya is far from the must busted character. Second Incin is mid tier at worst and has a very solid argument for high tier.
@@Staticsheep28 Let me proceed to: XD.
@@Staticsheep28 We spotted the Riddles fan !
Aint no way you just Said Kazuya is the best char in the game when Steve aegis joker and pikachu exist lmao
Love the mid tier option select mentality. A lot of people can’t handle losing when they try their hardest, so they intentionally pick bad characters and pretend like they are some sort of righteous crusader against tierwhoring, when it’s really just an ego protection mechanism.
Skyjay himself admitted he couldn’t close the set. A player with the classic ‘lul my char sux so I can never ACTUALLY lose’ mentality would never get to skyjay’s level. You’ll never get anywhere in competition if you’re scared of losing
This is probably one reason why they made incineroar have bad move and air speed. The 0 to death would be almost too easy. On the same level as prepatch chrom up b combos.
He's built like a bulky wrestler not a high flying one 🤣
@@CaptainAnon138
That would probably be Hawlucha 🤣
"He's so slow! he's an honest low tier" Just because he's lacking in some areas does not make him honest, that 0-death was literally just 2 up airs combod into a move that kills at 0. Incin has some insanely oppressive cheese that's fun to watch but infuriating to play against.
I will say though, if there is any character in the game that deserves for this to happen to them its definitely kazuya. Enjoy a taste of your own medicine lol
You forgot to show who won...
Stop putting Incineroar in low tier :(
Fr after this run, incineroar def not in low tier anymore
I don't think anyone in the competitive scene ranks him that low anymore. And if they do... well, we just need to give them some *adjustments*.
As soon as he wins a major
@@KrazyKyle-ij9vb North America gives him respect but other regions don't. They'll just have to get a taste themselves.
Nope. Low mid tier at best, skyjay just built different
The way upair is designed makes platforms not very helpful so that combo wasn't true
Without a platform you can do that combo
riddles just got caught off guard which is something incin can take advantage of with his 0td strings
Skyjay single handedly making Incin to look mid-tier
KAZUYA MISHIMA
The video ended when I wanted to see riddles 0-d
Nobody wants to zzzzzze that bro
Get the fuck outta here lol Riddles doesn't seem to have a 0-death agaist Skyjay here
This new gimmick of ultimate's bottom blast zone going higher on spikes are so annoying