Every Dragon Alive During The Dance Of The Dragons, Ranked From Weakest To Most Powerful
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House of the Dragon has only begun to scratch the surface of House Targaryen's journey with their dragons throughout this era of upheaval for their family, and very few of the dragons have had a significant starring role in the series thus far. There are actually 21 dragons alive during the Dance of the Dragons, with their weakest dragons being little more than an interesting pet, while their most powerful dragons were absolute forces of nature. This is every dragon alive during the Dance of the Dragons, ranked.
Content Of This Video:
00:00 Intro
02:16 Every Dragon, Ranked
12:28 Where Does Each Side Stand In Terms Of Dragon Power?
13:52 Conclusion
14:27 Outro - Zábava
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Rating Sunfyre this low is criminal. Sunfyre fought 3 dragon battles and killed 2 dragons while badly injured. Fierce, extremely loyal, smart, very strong and large for his age I think he is one of the best dragons ever. He should be rated as high as Seasmoke at least and much higher than Syrax. Imagine what a magnificent beast he would have grown into if he had lived longer.
LMFAO I love that everyone so far is all about justice for Sunfyre.
@@HillsAliveYT do you think the dragon battles will be our way of seeing how the old freehold waged war
@@HillsAliveYT We all love our Golden Boi!
Fr tho, he actually did more work than almost any post conquest dragon.
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Also, Sunfyre’s greatest moment is to come and it will be glorious.
@@HillsAliveYT I don't think it's cause sunfyre was super powerful inherently, he was just built different and won a ton of fights he realistically shouldn't have
Yep, I agree with the others that Sunfyre should've been ranked higher than Syrax. Sunfyre got more battle scenes while Rhaenyra's dragon sat pretty like its entitled queenly rider.
Can't wait for the rest of these dragons to appear in the next seasons, especially the death match between Vhagar and Caraxes.
Yeah I seriously hope we get at least a glimpse of every dragon that's alive during this era. Not only do I want to see what they look like, but it's an interesting insight into how catastrophic the Dance was because there are so many more dragons than you expect.
No sunfrye is fine damn well where it is 😂
I love all the names and nicknames for the dragons Caraxes the Bloodwyrm, Meleys The Red Queen if I had a dragon I’d be like “this is Bill, he suffers from spontaneous narcolepsy and is afraid of trout”
LMFAO oh my god yes, also considering the fact that most of these dragons were named by children it is very bizarre that there aren't more named Cheesecake or Plop or something. At least GRRM squeezed Shaggydog in there for some dumb child pet name representation.
@@HillsAliveYT I would give my left eye to own a giant fire-breathing dragon named Cheesecake.
@@HillsAliveYT child pet names are filtered by the monks that work in the dragon pit
"What shall you name your dragon?"
"Wiggleworm!"
"No."
@Uk’otoa. You are fully correct. I love thinking of a badass name for my dragon if I was a Targaryen and I can’t help think these 3 year olds do a great job.
I would personally name mine: “Aethirys the Shadow”
Dragons have four legs while wyrms have two. GoT dragons are jokes.
As someone who don't really care about dragons, Sunfyre could be the only one who I could care for. He's not only a good fighter, he is actually the most interesting dragon with character arc!
Most of dragons are just tools but Sunfyre undergoes the dragon paths crossing continents to help his rider with a half-ripped wing by own choice knowing that will sign his demise. His own unbreakable determination lead him to survive every danger until Aegon is safe from his enemies.
Also they shared the most deep dragonbond. Sunfyre suffers the same injuries of Aegon. The king got his arm completely burnt and was unable to use it while Sunfyre had his wing broken and couldnt use it. Sunfyre could felt Aegon's heart and emotions with continents parting them away and come back for him.
Then they fought together against Moondancer, a broken king and broken dragon and they won. Finally he stayed alive until Rhaenyra was killed
There's something that add essence at Sunfyre's concept:
Sunfyre is an symbol of anti-war and the decline of Targaryen on the story inflicted on every Grrm's work.
Sunfyre's starts as the most beautiful dragon ever seen on the Earth, a dragon as had not been seen before and the horrors of the war turns him into a disfigured, crippled,destroyed creature (noted he is the only crippled dragon had existed)
Basically acting as a symbol of how war destroy beauty, magnificent potential, innocence into ugliness and tragedy. Sunfyre is an anti-war symbol and a allegory of how Targaryens doom themselves for their greedy, entiltement on a time they were more powerful than ever(they had more dragons than ever,more dragonriders than ever) and the realm bleed for it.
Those ideas are very much the heart of the story.
That is beautiful. Now it makes me sad.@@solangewojtyla405
Cannibal winning a fight and then proceed to eat the other dragon along with its rider would be such a terrifying scene if done right
But Cannibal is known for just eating dragons eggs and hatchlings, he does not kills his preys.
That's actually Sunfyre who killed and feed on the dragons he slayed
Me casually watching a video ranking of nuclear weapons from "may destroy your city" to "will for sure destroy your city"
LOL tbh it's a bit more of a range from "you could probably kill this thing with your bare hands on Ambien" to "will for sure destroy your city".
What i meant with "may destroy your city " is if they eventually grew up but yeah an average gym goer could probably win vs "a baby dragon bound to a baby person"
But the real question is how likely your city is to destroy them
SPOILER
Syrax did more for the Greens that Alicent or Aemond ever could. Girl literally took part in no battles, then catapulted Joffrey to his death
and got killed by smallfolk who then took over the city 💅💅💅 she was a Green sleeper agent and you can’t convince me otherwise
I agree wholeheartedly. Poor Rhaeneyra. Your own dragon that you are bonded with since you were a child wouldn’t defend your claim to the kingdom.
Yeah I'm interested to see if HotD changes that aspect of the book as well, like going forward it's going to be bananas if the show-only viewers see the dragon who belongs to the show's protagonist do absolutely nothing of note throughout a civil war driven largely by Rhaenyra's contested claim to the throne.
@Hill’s Alive that’s one of the changes I’d have no problem with, as it does seem anti-climatic. The Battle of the Gullet and maybe one of the Tumbletons would be the best ways for her to be involved, but for logic’s sake she should stay on Dragonstone for the majority of the time
Lol no kid😂
Sleeper Agent Syrax. I like it. Perhaps Otto secretly fed it from it's infancy, and it knew which side had the best pork.😅
Sunfyre the Golden, the most beautiful dragon to ever grace the skies above Westeros:
Took part in the killing of Meleys.
Somehow survives and flies across the ocean with like 1 working wing
Kills a much larger dragon in Grey Ghost one on one. (while injured still)
Hardly has wings but flies up and kills Moondancer
Kills the pretender herself. 😅
-refuses to elaborate further.
Finally, when he is satisfied, and his task is complete, he is happy to just die. 🥶
Sunfyre absolutely deserves to be stanned, he is the goodest boy.
Sunfire was an absolute bro for eating Cryhera, but alas, even he could cope with so much cringe and had to leave one leg behind before dying himself
That golden little bastard is barely 20 years old and manages to:
-turn the tide between Vhagar and Meleys, a dragon probably 3 times his age and size, and nearly got a wing torn off in the process.
-Slaughters dozens of troops of Lord Wallys sent to kill it
-Manages to fly across across the country and onto dragonstone with a half ripped wings
-Kills Grey Ghost, older and more powerful, getting wounded more in the process.
-In one hour,him and Aegon singlehanded won Battle of Dragonstone
-Then, even barely able to move or fly, manages to kill Moondancer as well.
He’s like the Eren Jaeger of the Dance, just doesn’t stop
I pray to the old gods and 7 new gods this is ALL shown on screen beautifully.
Meanwhile, before the Battle of the Gullet;
Vermithor: "Oh boy, here we go again. Alright kids, listen up, back in my day, Jaehaerys and I lit the Dornish fleet up like a bunch of candles. Ain't that right, Caraxes?"
Caraxes: "Hell yeah old man, those were the days! Me, you and... and Vhagar"
Vermithor: "Hey wait a minute, where is ol' Vhagar?"
Caraxes: "Well um... about that.."
LOL that awkward moment when one member of your squad kills another member of your squad and has to tell the squad later.
Caraxes: From the bottom of my heart Vermithor, my bad.
@@HillsAliveYT LOL, true....
Well, at this point, Vhagar was still alive. It would be more like;
Caraxes: "hey old man, so... this is a new match we're playing right now, and um, Vhagar... she switched sides"
Vermithor: "Ayo... she's got the highest kill count on the roster kid, you know that, right?"
Caraxes: "yeah, yeah I know... was kinda hoping maybe you could uh, deal with that one"
Vermithor: "😮💨"
(Also, I'd say Vermithor is more powerful than Dreamfyre. Dreamfyre is older but Vermithor is still larger. He's had more free reign and wasn't in the Dragonpit for so long like Dreamfyre has been. Vermithor is the 2nd largest Dragon in the Dance, and has war experience as well, and Dreamfyre has none, from what I recall.
I was really surprised with the ranking. Sunfyre, arguably the most useful dragon for the greens, technically winning three dragon battles whereas most dragons died from 1, is placed below syrax who should honestly be put in the “dragonpit” tier 😂
Yeah.... didn't syrax get "SPOILER"
Killed by an angry crowd?
If no vhagar, sunfyre would have died in the battle.vhagar also killed the 2 MVP of blacks so vhagar is the most useful green dragon,but I agree sunfyre deserved top 5.
@Divin vinith yeah, but we all gotta give give little golden guy credit. He went up against the fastest of all the war aged dragon's, and he was violent enough to make it a battle
He obviously would've lost. But meleys was also huge, very very fast, and an experienced war dragon so its no wonder he would've lost
@@kailanerman5090 I agree, sunfyre is in my top 3 but my point is vhagar more important than sunfyre that's it.
@Divin vinith oh for sure!! I think Rhaenyra said it best!! Something along the lines of "we have House's, and we have more ships ects... But they have Vhagar..."
Basically, despite all the Black's strengths, Vhagar and Aemond changed everything
The most important dragon imo was Vhagar. Daemon could not think straight the entire war he was worried about Vhagar. When Aemond was burning the Riverlands Caraxes and Sheepstealer were taken off the table entirely just to look for Vhagar.
I would put tessarion and sunfyre higher. Tessarion + the hightowers were unstoppable in the reach and kept Aegon’s claim alive after he escaped King's landing.
That is why I suspect that the burning of the Riverlands might have been more strategic than the book makes it out to be. (Although, just to be clear, no matter what the reasoning was, it was still horrifically wrong. This is only about the strategy, not morals).
If Amond had gone with Criston and his army, they risked Daemon and Nettles tracking him down, which would have put Criston and his army in the crossfire. It also kept them from going against Daeron and his army or looking for Aegon. So Aemond doing this, kept two of the blacks dragonriders away from everything else without risking any of the other green forces.
The idea that Vhagar at this point is a crotchety old lady, who’s too old to let some punk hatchling cheap shot her is great to me.
Vhagar: “You little- come on Visenya let’s turn them into giblets!”
Aemond: “I’m not Visenya don’t!”
I agree wholeheartedly. She didn’t care if she started a war, She was disrespected by a youngling and wasn’t having that at all. She act accordingly as she should.
haha very insightful
"Visenya!!! These little Dornish pricks have got tiny dragons now!!!"
I LOVE granny Vhagar so much 😭🥰
Justice for Sunfyre
haha yeah.
Also how is sunfyre so low? Sunfyre takes part in more dragon battles than any other dragon, is the only reason aegon was able to take dragonstone and literally killed rhaenyra. He has easily the most importance to the dance.
LOL well because I was trying to not spoil anyone who hasn't read the books and based it off of whatever information we'd have after season 1 of HotD.
I think I would have put Sunfyre higher than Syrax. He fought in several battles and was ferocious, but Syrax didn't fight at all. Same with Tessarion, the Blue Queen 💙
As for Vermithor, he's bigger than Dreamfyre although she's older °^°
"Grandma from Hell" is the best nickname for Vhagar.
LOL yeah, I was trying to avoid any future spoilers for HotD and assess them all based on their prospects at the start of the Dance, but Syrax was really a flop in the end.
@@HillsAliveYT Ah I see! My apologies :3 I suppose this is why you talked about the Cannibal although he doesn't do anything
@@HillsAliveYT oh it makes sense that you ranked based on their potential and stuff because i was confused why you put syrax ahead of sunfyre at first lmao.
What sunfyre lacks in power, he makes up for in ferocity 💪 rip our golden boy 😭😭😭
Well you also never know! I mean they had Meleys bust into Aegon's coronation which didn't happen in the book, and HotD knows what most people came for in a show called House of the Dragon, so they could change things up and make some of the dragons who were living their flop era in Fire & Blood actually do something in the TV show.
@@HillsAliveYT If they give Syrax battle scenes, then give me Dreamfyre fighting to 🙄
Glad to see my girl Vhaegar win, but you did Sunfyre dirty, he took out so many others and flew back to Aegon even a half melted mess! That boy is indestructible!
Viserys: "We do not control the dragons. It is an illusion."
Me: "So did something happen to Viserys or was that a metaphor?"
HOTD: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, when you're writing a show and already know how your first season is going to end, dropping these overt hints makes a lot more sense in retrospect.
He's speaking from his knowledge of history. Plus the short time he spent with The Black Dread
@@tinahs8269 thats true cause he initially wanted Balerion to fly to dragonstone and back but only got him to fly around kingslanding 3 times
@@tinahs8269 Viserys had Balerion as dragon less than one year before Balerion died out of cringe,right?
Suspecting he did have as much control over balerion as that princess who he abducted to go to old Valeria and came back injured and the princess infested with worms.
Maybe he heard that tale? Or saw him going to a flying vacation without the consent of the rider?
You did the best dragon Sunfyre so dirty 😢😢😢
Dreamfyre was a girlboss, I'm sad no one tried to ride / unchain her so she could avenge Helaena RIP BIG BLUE MOMMY
My boy Sunfyre below the useless "Imma kill my rider's son" Syrax?
I would call mines Noodle. I would be like, "This is Noodle. He's just wriggly". Lol.
Based on the way I am with my actual pets I'd probably give them a badass "official" name but then just wind up calling them something goofy like Snuggles or Flops.
@@HillsAliveYT Haha. If I want the dragon to have a badass name, I would call it Tianlong a.k.a. Heavenly Dragon. Badass on the outside but inside, I would nickname it Noodle. Lol.
Everyone being mad about Sunfyre being snubbed is justified but where is the justice for Tessarion 😤😤 She was comparable in size to Seasmoke and she outlived not just him but VERMITHOR after their fight.
She outlived Vermithor due to Sunfyre's help. Tessarion was being wrecked while in 1 vs 1
@@gravedave7970 Sunfyre wasn’t at Tumbleton
@@sosa2mars Ye true . My bad..Believe it was Seasmoke
Dreamfyre should be way lower on the list, and definitely below Caraxes, for 2 reasons:
1. She has literally zero battle experience, and would probably get her tail handed to her if she had to fight any dragon older than Syrax, even if she had a capable rider, which brings me to my next point
2. She's Bonded with Helaena, and Helaena is not a fighter.
Well counterpoint, Helaena is not a fighter but in HotD they've made her capable of literally seeing the future, which would be one hell of a boon if she did go in battle. Which is why it's actually a highkey bummer that they made her a prophet but probably still won't include her in any actual fights.
Spoilers beware!
Vermax, Sunfyre, and Tessarion are massively underrated especially since Seasmoke is that high (He still deserves it to be sure). The season 2 Vermax model is admittedly pretty impressive in size. They weren't lying about her growing fast. Regardless of how things actually went down she SHOULD'VE been a major influence honestly. Same with Tessarion but she actually got to prove it at times. The Hightower army thought she was enough to take Kings Landing. Both of these powerful dragons were completely blundered. Tessarion didn't have her rider and decided to kamikaze Vermithor. Now we get to Sunfyre. This dragon is just built different. He is one of the most battle hardened and fierce dragons that accomplished most of his feats either on the ground or barely being able to fly. Clearly he's made of the same stuff as Caraxes, whose fierceness made him a match for Vhagar despite the difference in size. If his first match up wasn't against Meleys, arguably the best dragon killer thanks to max speed and a dragon that would probably also take Vhagar, he would've accomplished so much more. Consider that Sunfyre, a wounded, flightless, and smaller dragon, was still too much for a military host of knights and soldiers to deal with while a larger dragons like Syrax who had no injuries died to angry peasants. Experience in battle matters tremendously. As you said, the rider of the dragon also matters. In this regard, a dragon having a rider who is unwilling or incapable of riding their dragon to war would cripple their viability and ability to make an impact on the war.
6:43 Imma be real witchu chief, ain't no way Syrax beats out Tessarion
😂
Syrax green sleeper agent 💚😂
I know that the whole cradle egg was not a thing at the time. But I like the idea that Cannibal was Maegor's cradle egg and that he rejected the hatchling because he wanted Balerion.
That would be immensely funny lmao. Like if it were something of the fact that the dragons in egg tend to match their Targ riders in personality, that would match very nicely, and Cannibal was quietly let go into Dragonstone, and he hated being spurned and took it out on other dragons.
According to impact my top 3
Vhagar
Caraxes
Sunfyre
Sunfyre did more than Caraxes who stayed most of the war at harrenhall
@@alexevans4637 I know, but caraxes is the reason for vhagar's death that's why higher rank.
@@divinvinith I respect your choice.
I love him but am very unexpectedly and pleasantly surprised that everyone rides so hard for Sunny.
Daeron is more important to this war than jace and vermax dareon balances the scales between the black and greens and beloved by everyone then most alicent kids and dareon dragon literally took down vermithor
LOL yeah I can't believe that HotD completely omitted Daeron's existence from season 1, that kid did like 50% of the heavy lifting for the Greens.
Lastly, I've noticed that most, if not all of you ASOIAF videos, are non-spoilery when it comes to the shows. However, I really hope you do a Targaryen ruler ranking one day. I'm very curious who think was good vs terrible ruler.
Yeah that's a fun idea and I'll probably do it someday!
I largely agree with the upper and lower ends of the scale, but some of these middle rankings are wild.
Syrax getting put so high is some absolute CAP. She sits on her butt the entire war, and is noted as being lazy and exceedingly will fed. Vermax, Tessarion, and Sunfyre should all be above her imo.
Tessarion fought relatively on par with Seasmoke, so while there likely is a slight size gap between dragons aged ~15 years and ~30 years, it doesn’t seem so vast as to make it insurmountable. With that in mind, Vermax and Tessarion are much more impressive than Syrax. Vermax flew up and down the continent, and at least fought in the Battle of the Gullet, while Tessarion was dunking on enemy armies all over the Reach.
Then there’s Sunfyre. Two dragon kills while injured, one assist alongside Vhagar. This guy had GRIT. He was easily the most powerful of the young but battle ready dragons, and I’d bet money that he’d shred lazy princess Syrax in a fight.
Cannibal and Sheepstealer also ought to be higher. The latter hatched “when the Old King was still young”, and Cannibal was even older, which makes them at minimum the same age as Caraxes and Meleys, with the Cannibal being potentially close to Vermithor, Dreamfyre, and Silverwing in age.
Caraxes I think you could also argue could fit in the number 2 spot. Yes, there are several dragons bigger than he is, but he beats everyone in battle experience but Vhagar, and is absurdly vicious and tenacious. Given that he did manage to take her out, it’s fair to say he’s capable of killing any dragon on the roster, though some of the bigger ones could cripple or kill him in the attempt, while Vhagar is a guaranteed death sentence.
That’s my two cents.
JUSTICE FOR SUNFYRE!!!
Hill, I know you are trying to keep the surprise for season 2 about Sunny 😂 He is definitely a badass
That golden little bastard is barely 20 years old and manages to:
-turn the tide between Vhagar and Meleys, a dragon probably 3 times his age and size, and nearly got a wing torn off in the process.
-Slaughters dozens of troops of Lord Wallys sent to kill it
-Manages to fly across across the country and onto dragonstone with a half ripped wings
-Kills Grey Ghost, a healthy dragon, getting wounded more in the process.
-In one hour,him and Aegon singlehanded won Battle of Dragonstone
-Then, even barely able to move or fly, manages to kill Moondancer as well.
He’s like the Eren Jaeger of the Dance, just doesn’t stop
I think one of the things that House of the Dragon brought into focus for me is just how tragic it is that the dragons... are what they are.
Like, okay. They are these symbols of power death and conquest, there's also your theory about their growth being tied to the amount of death they sow which I find very compelling. They're intelligent but also beasts, I even think there's a genuine question to ask about how much of 'our' morality they are capable of being held to considering they seem capable of feeling very human emotions like sympathy. Drogon burning the symbolism, and Vhagar hesitating to burn Laena.
But nevertheless for like... people. It's probably inarguably a better world if dragons are gone from it, and YET.
The scene where Aemond flies Vhagar is filled with such an intense triumph joy it's genuinely heartbreaking that it was followed by one of the most gut-churning scenes. I don't think it's an accident that Arrax's death follows a similar pattern, the beauty of breaking above the clouds appended with one of the most intense scenes of violence in the series.
I never felt it come across in Game of Thrones with Daenerys' dragons maybe just because "the majesty of dragons," is a bit of a trope and I just felt HotD's was a lot better cinematically at overcoming it for me but dammit!
I'm inclined to wonder how much of the dragon's violence is bestial, or if there's malevolence inherited from their riders.
Yeah there are obviously supernatural connections between dragon and rider, but I also find it way more interesting to see them as more bestial than magical.
Sunfyre should be rated above the likes of Syrax tbh. Syrax seems like she'd be more of a lazy, fattened liability than the strong little guy that Sunfyre turned out to be. Also, shoutout to Tessarion
Sunfyre is my goat. He never gave up 😤🫡
I'm so glad you ranked Vhagar as one, I've seen so many takes about how Vermithor is more powerful than her, which makes no sense both naratively and with in universe reasons
this is getting me hyped again for season 2
I can definitely live with season 1 kinda skimping it on the actual dragons if it means season 2 includes DRAGONS FIGHTING IN THE FRICKEN SKYYY
@@HillsAliveYT yess ma'am! S2 with dragons going at it is a dream come true! To be fair I haven't read Fire and Blood so I have no clue how it will go down. But if S2 will take a long time. Then I might consider reading it.
Rhaena is such an interesting character. I'm wondering if she ever tried to claim any of the adult dragons like Silverwing or Seasmoke.
Rhaena and Morning both also survived the dance but they're not mentioned in Daeron I's war in Dorne.
Yeah I don't know but I feel like there is something symbolic buried in the fact that Rhaena seems reluctant to risk her ass to claim a dragon, feels like an outsider because of her lack of a dragon, and then ultimately winds up with Morning who is a baby but actually survives beyond the Dance.
By the time daeron I ruled the last dragon had already died during the reign of aegon III. Neither mornings death, nor this dragon are mentioned at the end of fire and blood, so who knows what happened. Maybe we will see it on screen.
Doubt she had the balls for it.
Given that there was some sort of unfinished business with Aemond's bastard with Alys rivers, I reckon we might get a Dance 1.5 sort of thing, maybe that's how Rhaena might unfortunately perish, fighting Aemond's bastard son who'll probably wield Dark Sister given it was apparently 'fished out' of the God's Eye years larer according to AWOIAF.
I'm also wondering if Daeron was a bit mad. He's what? 16 and thinks himself a dragon who's just gonna start a war with Dorne and drag everyone down with him. Rhaena may have escaped with Morning to avoid another disaster..
I hope Morning doesn't have a brutal death..
Sunfyre is going to be on Demon time for the rest of the show.
Great video!! But Syrax AKA "the useless" above Sunfyre?? I don't think so😑
This is another great video, your awesome and gained a subscriber
How is the trash of Syrax 9
And Sunfyre 11?
😂
If you consider the riders as well as the dragons... your countdown will change...For example, unless Helena shows us a new side I'd say Jace +Vermax or Rhaenys +Meleys will be more impactful than Helena + Dreamfyre. Vhagar may be this series' weapon of mass destruction, however her rider is young and foolish.
Yeah definitely a fair point, I tried to avoid adding any extra info that hasn't been in HotD yet to avoid spoilers and clearly the show hasn't shown a lot of riders yet, but the actual rider themselves and their relationship with their dragon obviously has an impact.
Hi Hill! Hope you're doing well! Love your content, please keep on it 💙
I think that keeping dragons under roof may not be the only reason why they grow weaker and smaller, but also endogamy.
When escaped from Valyria (if I remember correctly), the Targaryens brought with themselves a only 5 dragons. They eventually reproduced between each other resulting in this gen that cannot be compared to the previous ones, or even Dany's ones.
Drogon and its brothers being Dreamfyre's (or really coming from Asshai) makes them, less blood related or not related at all. Hence, more powerful...
It's a really big maybe about dragons growing weaker in captivity as Dany's dragons seem to grow just fine when she locked them up..... It's really up in the air TBH...... Maybe the maesters did poison them
I subscribe to the theory that dragons need human sacrifices (blood/fire) to grow, and that the main reason they grew smaller and smaller after Aegon's Conquest was because Westeros didn't have slaves that could be used for human sacrifice. So the only way those dragons could grow was through warfare.
If Heleana wasn't so useless, Dreamfyre could have tipped the war in the Greens favor. Such a shame. Aemonds back must hurt from carrying the entire Green faction.
love your funny descriptions
Given the pros and cons you've established in this ranking, I wonder if the Targs have ever weighed if it's better for them to bond with an older grown dragon vs a new young one, every time a new child is born into their house. Is the bond stronger when dragon & Targaryen bond both as younglings, or when the dragon is older?
I mean that is an interesting question as Rhaenyra seems to have a better connection with her hatched dragon than Daemon and Aemond's with they're older dragons
You'd sorta think they would have given that they're beefing with each other so often, but maybe even they didn't expect to actually go to this level of war to one another so didn't realize how much it could matter.
The only dragon that may possibly stand a chance against Vhagar in a 1v1 fight and come out alive would be Cannibal.
Idk, I think Vermithor has a solid shot at a 1v1.
@@higharchbishopofteatasting6217 Valid point. We can certainly all agree he stands the best chance on any dragon with a rider.
Putting Sunfyre that low is CRIMINAL, he's easily top three at least
You calling Vhagar “the grandma from hell” is hilarious and apt.
Vhagar and Sunfyre were the most awesome dragons.
Talking about Melees, I would love to hear your thoughts about Rhaenys crashing Aegon's coronation, what you think would happen if she decided to kill the greens then and there and why she didn't do it.
Yeah defo I'll discuss that at some point! But long story short, killing members of your own family is seen as one of the most grievous sins in Westeros, so a Targaryen offing a bunch of Targaryens in front of the population of King's Landing would not have been a good look, among other things.
@@HillsAliveYT I agree. Yes it would've been the most efficient but kinslaying would've doomed not only Rhaenys but the entire House Velaryon throughout history. And it's not even guaranteed she'd live for long. House Hightower and their allies are also wealthy. Someone might just have her or any member of their house assassinated as a result.
Yeah there's that as well, the Hightowers were obviously dangerously underrated, and while Aegon was taking the throne for himself, an actual "war" hadn't been declared yet so if Rhaenys just went rogue and incinerated all of the Greens, shit would have popped off way harder and potentially unnecessarily since both sides kind of dodged aggression until Aemond and Vhagar killed Luke and Arrax.
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Your content is 🔥
Tbh I forgot like half these dragons 😅
I am really looking forward to some more dragon fights tho.
Morghul is a LotR reference no?
Like Minas Morgul?
I did really pick up on other references but that one I'm kinda sure of.. kinda lol
Also Vehgar is "puff the magic dragon".. like the vietnam war version...
I don't know LotR but DRAGON WARS YASSSSSS
Technically the Cannibal should be a lot higher. Their age is unknown, but most stories and rumors have the dragon at at LEAST 100 years old, with higher estimates closer to the age of the old grandma Vhagar herself. Additionally, you could argue the Cannibal does have battle experience, as their favorite and most sought after food source is quite literally other dragons. Their efficiency in battle, if they were to be claimed, would be ferocious and quite literally ravenous. The Cannibal would have made an interesting and unquantifiable, but deathly variable in the war.
11:42 Vermithor has a shitton of experience too tho
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10:16 As a CK2 GOT mod player I confirm, Dreamfyre is indeed broken xd
Unfortunately after 🩸 and 🧀 Dreamfyre isn’t utilized anymore😩😩😩which sucks. Imagine Vhagar and Dreamfyre in battle during the war 😢
Everyone loves rankings. This is how to feed the algorithm. Which is a dragon all of its own.
Yeah it's a bit of a different format for me but I think it can be fun and as you said, everyone loves rankings, including me.
I kind of think Syrax is a little over-rated here, we never actually see Syrax in battle, and going by what happens at the Dragonpit during the dance she wasn't the most intelligent of Dragons, her biggest asset is her eggs which also likely included Moondancer.
This was interesting as your videos always are. I'm not sure age always translates predictably to power, however. In a later era Dany's Dragons grow far faster than you'd expect. Certainly the Show version of Dreamfyre seemed smaller than I'd thought a Dragon her age would be. Honestly, Show Vermithor seemed larger to me. I'm curious how the show will handle a lot of the Dragons. Some of them definitely seem to punch above or below their weight.
Excellent analysis, I can't help but wonder, *_had dragons survived after the Dance, would that increase or decrease the likelihood of Targaryens getting into a civil war again? Would they have learned their lesson with better outcomes for the House, or would it have been worse?_*
I remember reading in Dunk & Egg that Egg was taught that having too few Targaryens is as dangerous as having too many. We know for a fact that more conflicts between Targs will occur after the Dance. Maybe they thought those wars were less risky because there were no dragons, had they had them, maybe they would have been wise enough never to use them in in-house conflicts, because they would be reminded of the cost of the _Dance._ But who am I kidding? Targs are gonna Targ.
Yeah, I think just based on their familial culture and desire to be important, their infighting was kind of an inevitability regardless of how many dragons they had.
I’d honestly put Melys above Dreamfyre due to the fact that Melys is fast enough to be able to basically match Vhagar’s size and experience with little effort (although some of that comes down to Melys having the most experienced rider alive) and Dreamfyre does not really have any combat feats, and was kept in the Dragonpit for many years, so likely cannot compete with Caraxes and Melys who have spent decades outside eating flying and growing. (Caraxes also has the second-most experienced rider as well)
I won’t outright contest Vhagar’s no.1 spot, but it’s probably a much smaller gap between Vhagar and Caraxes, Melys, and Vermithor, considering Melys’s speed, Caraxes’s unusual ferocity and danger, and Vermithor being nearly as large as Vhagar, quite experienced, but not nearly as old, and likely not nearly as slowed by age, although all three of what I would call the 2-4 spots are also similarly heavily experienced, if not quite as much as Vhagar. I think there’s an argument that could be made that Melys is actually a tie with Vhagar, Vermithor could potentially tie or just slightly edge out Vhagar, and Caraxes probably is the weakest of the 4, but not by much.
Why tf is sunfyer that low he clutches up in the dance of the dragons
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How is moondancer more important than vermax? Vermax and jacaerys lead the dragon seeds during the battle of the gullet which prevented any hope of the greens achieving naval superiority, whereas to my recollection, the only thing moondancer did was get killed by a half dead sunfyre and aegon.
To moondancers credit she probably did sunfyre in for death,she came close to actually beating him in the sky,and would have killed them if they were blinded out of the sky
Yeah the other reply got it right, I rated her higher because of Sunfyre, I think you make a fair point but to my mind a dragon is much more valuable than whatever was lost during the battle.
@@FamilyChannel-yv1xv MoonDancer did not kill Sunfyre. He survived several months to eat Rhaenyra.Sunfyre was injured beforehand by both Vhagar,Meleys and Grey Ghost. You can’t attribute Sunfyre’s death to Moondancer, meanwhile Sunfyre 100% killed Moondancer.
@@FamilyChannel-yv1xv plus MoonDancer had an great advantage: Sunfyre was with a wing half-ripped, unable of flying and blind of one eye and still Sunfyre destroyed MoonDancer since the floor
If the smallfolk of Dragonstone are to be believed, then Cannibal is much older than Vhagar and possibly even older than Balerion. We don't know how old Balerion was when he came with the Targaryens to dragonstone a few years before the Doom, but Cannibal may have already been living on the island before he arrived. I would not rule out the possibility that Cannibal may be larger and stronger than Vhagar.
I think you are underrating Arrax's importance in the war. He is the one who started open hostilities (at least in the show). If not for Arrax, it is possible that the sucession crisis could have been solved peacefully.
Best dragon names: Shrykos and Morghul
I really hope we find out what happened to Morning. Rhaena did ride her, so she was healthy and growing, yet it's stated the Last Dragon was a stunted broken thing that died during Aegon 'The Broken' III's Reign, who is Rhaena's brother. This means Morning must have died even before this happened. I suspect Aegon III was so traumatized that he may have been complicit with the killing and poisoning of the last dragons.
Same, there's a lot of "yadda yadda yadda-ing" in F&B where you're like WAIT BUT WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED THERE and GRRM is just like Morning was born, yadda yadda yadda, all dragons extinct, moving on.
I have to respectfully disagree on Silverwing. She's just a bigger version of Syrax. She's a glorified mode of transportation. All she'd ever done was carry Alysanne around. She has absolutely no experience in anything else. Just like Syrax. All she has going for her being bigger than Caraxes. So IMHO, Caraxes should take her place in the list.
Wow a not daring take video!?? Haha jk! Cool video! I agree! Also we need more Sunfyre in season 2!
LOL yes I avoided spending 15 minutes telling everyone why they're wrong about something for once! 😂
@@HillsAliveYT haha i think thats almost your signature move! I do love the takes! Never be afraid of giving it!
Caraxes top 2 the only other dragon feared more in that era is vhagar
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Tessarion should be far higher on that list riderless he took on both Vermithor and Seasmoke and was the last to fall. And how is Sunfyre lower that Syrax she has been in no battens and was mostly chained during whole of the dance.
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Dreamfire will be next to useless in the next seasons of HOTD
I am upset there are no dragons named after muppets.
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OMG I already call one of my cats some variation of Pig or Piglet so I would 100% have a Miss Piggy dragon.
@@HillsAliveYT we need to do an episode about that xD
Sunfyre babe, I’m sorry they did this to you 💔
So Syrax is just like Rhaenyra. All she is good for is popping out babies 😂
I'm currently watching newbie reactions ( *Spartan & Pudgey* ) to *_GoT_* who somehow haven't been spoiled. They watched *_HotD_* first. One thing they've observed about Dany is that contrary to Targs in *_HotD,_* she seems to be controlling multiple dragons. She seems to defy the rule that dragons can only bond with one living person at a time.
*_Do you think she is the exception?_* If Jon claims Rhaegal in the books, GRRM will have to convince us of how it is possible, because Dany is literally the mother of her dragons. She's nursed and cared for them since they hatched from their eggs. They follow her everywhere.
I find it difficult to imagine how Vyserion and Rhaegal could bond with anyone else just because she only rides Drogon who is the most unruly. To me, she could totally ride the others. The only hiccup I can imagine is Drogon getting jealous and territorial.
I think Danaerys controls Viserion and Rhaegal in much the same way that the dragonkeepers control the dragons in the Dragon Pit.
@@inelouw I think her bond with her dragons is much closer than that. She literally birthed and nursed them.
Also LONG NECK BOI!!!
LOL is it wrong that I am viscerally disgusted by Caraxes
@@HillsAliveYT I think thats the natural reaction, but I just stan for some reason XD
vermax deserves some more love, he was said to be a pretty fast growing dragon and seemed nearly the size of seasmoke at the end of season 1
Syrax should be dead last.. she literally was chained for most of the dance. Sunfyre should be far higher he survived three dragon battles and won them all Sunfyre the golden
Okay, but hear me out: The Riverlanders are Ontologically Evil, ergo Vhagar CANNOT be committing Genocide?
Didn't Caraxes kill Vhaghar and dreamfyre killed by peasents
As a famous Targaryen once said a dragon is only as strong as it's rider
Caraxes commit suicide 😂
19 of 20 fight between Aemond and Daemon...Vhagar would won
@@oscarcastillo5907 a win is a win
Does anyone else think the dragons in the show should be brighter? Like im so tired of dark everything in hollywood bro i wanna see a bright gold sunfire gleaming in the sky but i already know they gonna make this mf some ugly ass shiny brown and imma be so mad
Martin has said recently the most formidable dragon in the Dance is Vhagar/Caraxes.
I feel like this is probably the most bro-like video this channel has ever made
Syrax is a freaking horse, not a dragon. Useless. I hate Targs who keep their dragons in the pit, where their growth is hampered. Look at the finale of HOTD S1 and see the size of Caraxes compared to Syrax who was always kept in the pit. Also, she has no experience in fighting. Stupid Joffrey tries to fly her not knowing the bond she has with her mother and then gets killed by small folk while fighting on the feet than taking flight. Stupid.
Idk morning being placed so low and she literally survived the war , grew big enough to ride and more… but ok lol
LOL well the general idea was to make this a non-spoilery explanation/assessment of the dragons post season 1 of HotD, so it's basically a ranking based on how useful they could potentially be in a war/in season 2 of HotD if I were going in blind and didn't know what was actually going to happen in the future, not a ranking of how important or valuable they actually were throughout their entire lives.
@@HillsAliveYT oooopsieeeee🫠 imma catch the first flight back to my lane🤣
I think ranking vhagar so high is fine but it just makes it more disappointing seeing Caraxes so low considering how he went toe to toe with a dragon 100x more powerful and still managed to live a bit longer than her.
Caraxes is my fave of all the dragons. A badass dragon who matched his rider.
HEY!! morning is a great dragon how dare you
Dreamfyre and Helena are the only Targaryen’s I care about