Bad VS Decent VS Great Belting (Vocal Technique)
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Another episode of the kpop belting series for you to enjoy! Hope you're gonna have fun😉
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Let's establish the rules!
0:22 Bad
0:43 Decent
0:57 Great
1:35 Good intentions only!
2:02 F4
2:28 F#4
2:52 G4
3:21 G#4
3:50 A4
4:20 Bb4
4:45 B4
5:11 C5
5:43 C#5
6:10 D5
6:40 Eb5
7:11 E5
7:37 F5
8:13 What we can learn
9:07 Outro, stream Kiss Of Life
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Hype artists have a permanent residence at Bad belting lmao
yea except for dk and seungkwan
Funny and sad at the same time
@@lav5937 how many times do I have to tell people. These two are freaking awesome since they’re not originally from Hybe.
@@Hovsikthey’re ‘stylistic vocals’ as fans said lmao
@@lav5937 Yeah because they weren't in hybe at first
I like how you used Taeyeon’s D5 as an example to show that even good singers aren’t consistent and will have their off days.
Yeah I really love that example.
Hybe fans can get crazy defensive whenever their favourite idols are dragged for their lack of vocal skills, but only have these less than underwhelming performances at their disposal 🫡. If that's not hella embarrassing, I don't know what is.
Side note, let's wish for Seungkwan's and DK's (and Jungkook's, to a lesser extent) continued well-being. Single-handedly carrying an agency with over 40 artists on their back must be tough.
Living in objective reality can get pretty tough for some, including those delusional fans 🤷🏻♂️.
You better be prepared to get criticised for pointing out the obvious 😂😂
I will always laugh at them for coming at any other group vocals, especially the groups from SM lol. (They just keep setting up themselves for no reasons)
true, often times it's because the 'best' vocalist is typically only the best in the context of their own group so there's an inflated sense of skill amongst the fans. i feel like hybe expects everyone to be like jungkook (aka self-taught vocalist who skipped the predebut vocal lessons and learned how to sing through youtube) without realizing that it would be extremely beneficial to give not only proper vocal lessons but proper TIME in their schedules to practice said vocals. lessons once a week wont do shit if there's not dedicated time for near-daily practice they way to do for dancing.
Better prepare yourself get behind me
The D5 one had me snorting lmao. Taeyeon vs Taeyeon vs Taeyeon. And she sounded better than last each time. 😂 Our King Taeyeon truly slays. 🔥
She mothered btw
my wife
it was so random yet cool 😂 taeyeon vs taeyeonnie vs king taeyeon
@@Be.my.chill.kill.127 young Taeyeon vs Taeyeon vs mother Taeyeon
i would love a whole video with one vocalist each just hitting a note like Bad, Decent and Great. like for example Kyungsoo hitting A4 Bad,Decent and Great. feel like that would help with the difference in quality bc it’s much easier to spot if it’s just one vocalist. or Wendy hitting C5 Bad, Decent and Great. maybe you already did this before idk i hope not cuz that would be embarrassing
basically just what you did with Taeyeons D5 but one vocalist for each note yeah
what if some of these singers don't have great attempts?
This is a great idea. I'm very curious to see what performance clips, if any, he would compile for artists like Hyolyn, Luna, Tiffany, BoA, Jaejoong, Junsu, etc.
@@edu.8552The exact opposite would be a problem for remarkably consistent K-pop singers like Kyuhyun, Sandeul, and Davichi's Haeri. I might not be detailed enough to point out the slightest vocal mistakes those singers might have made tho.
@@edu.8552 well they won’t be mentioned then i guess😭 i think there’s enough vocalists this would work with
BRUH NOT TIFFANY’S NATIONAL ANTHEM AGAIN 😭😭💀💀
😂😂😂
Unfair to end with Slayhyang. 🤣 KPOP can't compete with the sheer prowess of Sohyang's technical mastery.
SoHyang is a Gospel singer.
The standards are WAY higher.
Now all she needs is core lmao
@@debutriah2854 what is a core?
@@linodior2649 chest development, pure belting. Good example for a belter with core is Shirley Bassey, massive projection and ring and pure chest engagement. Think of core as belts having a strong center. Shirley can project unmiked because of her chest development
Sohyang is not kpop
I think it's very fun how you used Taeyeon 3x in a row on the same line - it's such a great demonstration of variation in both development and condition, also showing the same vocalists in different contexts as well.
2:45 Love the Seungkwan appreciation. The fact that it probably is just a few years(?) after debut too is amazing.
Yes he was 17-18 years old at that time
we stan
Whenever I think of Seungkwan, I think of that insane Masked Singer performance where at 19 years old was resonating for days 🔥
Luna deserves her flowers big time. And also Jiu’s C#5 was just shocking wtf
I can't be the only one who thinks when DK belts, he's like a full chocolate. Like the sound it's round, full and also really sweet.
Also shoutout to that Jiu Demian clip, i love when DC material let her sound more metal
It's his smooth voice that made me interested in seventeen 😏
Apart from how his voice sounds I just LOVE how DK's voice is used in seventeen tracks. His parts always highlight his voice quality very well.
The song JiU is singing is Rising, but I agree!
@@chuuislovechuuislife oh cr*p i always mix up those 2 songs 😭
@@Chuu_Vault it’s understandable honestly. Both go hard 🔥🔥
The domination of 2nd gen idols in great belting lol.
King and Queen of Kpop vocalist idols : Kyuhyun and Ailee
One of the best male vocalist in Korea : Park Hyoshin
Best vocalist among Korean singer : Sohyang
and there's almighty Taeyeon and Sandeul also.
What a great pick
The KIOF shoutout at the end… I KNOW THAT’S RIGHT!!!
I find it crazy how HYBE seems to refuse giving their idols/soloists proper vocal training (and hire competent *voice teachers* )… like there are roughly 5 “good” vocalists in the whole agency 😭
KIOF, from a nonexistent company, being better than Hybe’s entire (homegrown) stable of vocalists is definitely an indictment of the company and its priorities… it makes them tons of money, but it’s frustrating for those of use who hopped onto the kpop train in the late 2000s and were accustomed to a basic level of singing ability being required for the person billed as the main vocal.
I appreciate how often you include great vocalists in the bad and decent categories - we all have off days, whether we're sick or tired or just a little off and that can show up in our singing. Case in point: The Taeyeon D5 section!
love love love the taeyeon clips for D5. same singer, same song, different vocal performance, for various reasons. doesn't mean she's an awful vocalist, doesn't say anything about her vocal training, but wonderfully showcases how our abilities, though trained and polished, can still not make us perform great on our off-days. great video, as always, thank you for being an educational voice in our community
please do main vocalist ranking of 4th gen and 5th gen both male and female
There's for 4th gen, just check his channel
This is how we rank them
Lily and Haewon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest
Lily > Haewon > Monday > Ningning > Taerae def all sit on top, I’m probably forgetting someone but oh well
Lily>Haewon>Ningning>Yunjin>Rora>Liz>Miyeon= Belle=Rami >Hanni> Elisia=Seowon
There isn't much material for 5th gen yet but they sure have decent vocalists
They did for NMIXX IVE NewJeans aespa and itzy i think
2:54 whys he so nasal 😭
Omg his fans overhype him soo much
@@Cryforme- Jongho, Keeho and Kihyun are overhype. Kpop stans are brainwashed by their so called high notes haha
@@lukaloki-gh7ij ATEEZ Jongho And MONSTA X Kihyun Are Only Average In Vocals But No Their Fans Thinks They Are The Best Main Vocalist They Are Only Good In 4th Generation But In 2nd Generation Or 3rd Generation They Are Not That Good And One More Thing Is That Jongho Fans Thinks He Can Compete With Legendary Vocals, Jongho Fans And Kihyun Fans Won’t Accept That Both Jongho And Kihyun Are Only Average! Nothing About Their Vocals Are That Impressive!
@@lukaloki-gh7ijwe said jongho is the best vocalist in the 4th gen only, we never said he's the best vocalist ever. kihyun and keeho are not overhyped, they're just good singers but they're not TOO good yk
The lady at 7:57 is magnificent. I felt like the floodgates of heaven open. Such power and resonance. I was genuinely like "Alright, good video" as I approached F5, but when it arrived on Sohyang, I was on the edge of my seat.
Also, the fact that she was able to resonate that well with a bad fan cam and not professional camera truly shows her prowess.
she’s the pinnacle of korean vocalists, i think. truly world class!!!
sandeul is so underrated. Not many remember him, finally a mention 😭😭😭
Sandeul and Ryeowook are in the same situation, both underrated. They are the only male idols who can almost reach Kyuhyun's level.
Sohyang ate everyone up i fear
midas touch is so good omg! stan ain't no other fan + kiof
I can’t help but wonder if Siyeon’s vocal qualities and style make it sound worse than it is. I don’t claim any proficiency in singing, and I certainly LOVE her voice and love what she brings to Dreamcatcher. But I also know we regularly talk about her vocal struggles, but also I see consistency in how she sings, which then makes me wonder if it’s a weird stylistic thing that’s contributing to the sound. Just some idle speculation!
Wonderful video as always ❤
I was just thinking about the same thing! All of her high notes I've heard from her lately have the same sound to them. They sound very hoarse and like she's barely able to get it out, but, amazingly, she still does and holds it pretty well, too. Like, I wonder if she decided to change her style of singing to try and include grit or fry in it.
If that is true, she should still take some vocal lessons for that. Using distortion without technique is a quick way to permanently damage your vocal cords.
@@mentalmaker03 it’s been 15 years of singing and 7 of touring, she is absolutely fine and it’s a stylistic decision. She’s consistent because it is a choice she is deliberately making. SuA had nodules in 2018 so DC is very aware of needing to maintain good vocal health.
thoughts and prayers for taehyun and heeseung, the poor guys are struggling.
but also shame on their labels for having all that money in their pockets and still putting it in anything but a vocal coach.
I see a lot of people say that they're decent for idols but underdeveloped. Why is hybe not giving proper vocal training for this?
lily's E5 at 7:20 literally sounded so good😍
because she actually supports e5's right now. that was just unsupported maybe she was ill or not her best at that time.
@@yaemirko it was still supported, it was a good belt just not an amazing one :)
I really like how you use Wendy's bad and great belts. As her fan, I'm not gonna lie to myself and say she did great when its obviously not. She tried and even though the turn out was not she was hoping for, it doesn't take away the fact that she's still one of kpop's best vocalists. Looking forward to when you recreate this video and see her climb to decent F5. I know she'll get there. 😌
TY for hyping up kiss of life they deserve it so bad!!!
amazing you doing Taeyeon in all three examples, I remember you did the same to Mariah some time ago.
First of all, since you talked about how vocal technique has it's limits I want to say that while SoHyang is the absolute queen of high notes sometimes I think she would get a (-) or even (???) in musicality if this was evaluated like the vocal runs series. Secondly, I highly suggest you include Shinee's Jonghyun high note in Lucifer's bridge because it covers a lot of the characteristics mentioned when talking about belting. That moment includes: great technique, it is about ten seconds long, it sounds effortless and passionate, and for the cherry on top he adds a well controlled vibrato in the middle of the note
I'd love to see another video on bad vs decent vs good low notes - I feel like the lower register is always super underrated
I love that you used taeyeon for all three examples. Showing that even some of the best have bad days
What I really like about this channel is the creator is very objective. I know for a fact that Lia and Jeongyeon are two of his biases but he doesn't mind putting in clips showing them not at their best. Showing delulu fans that you can like your biases but also be critical of them.
Okay, so dedicating a whole section of D5 for Taeyeon is fcking iconic HAHAHAHA singers would always have that one bad day
2:10 bye not the sub vocalist outsinging the main
All of txt are sub vocalists lmaoo
@@cleverbotevie1262 HELP IM CRYING
@@cleverbotevie1262 🤣🤣🤣
@@cleverbotevie1262Lmao
@@cleverbotevie1262 fr tho it literally feels like that so often with TXT's Vocals
man yk i love u for appreciating seungkwan and dk vocals
Sohyang the queen that you are
I appreciate the inclusion of Jongho in bad and decent. As an atiny myself, i think it’s important to be realistic - he undeniably has a beautiful, powerful voice, and even at his worst it sounds decent, but pretending that his technique is perfect is just delulu, and honestly, belting as often and as forcefully as he does, doesn’t bode well for his long term vocal health…also, he’s far from the only member of ateez that can hold a nice tune, and treating him like a one trick belting pony and giving everyone else lackluster parts doesn’t do him or the others justice
LOVE that you compared the same note from same artists on different performances : shows that it is what it is and context ALSO matters sometimes : a performance. Consistency will bring us many good performances in a row, and that's a key aspect in defining what a good vocalist is. One cannot be a good vocalist if they only produce one good note once in their career.
The song Kyuhyun of Super Junior was singing sounds like Solar of Mamamoo latest single (or maybe Solar's single sounds like it)
Haha its a ballad from the 90s called 사랑했지만 by Kim Kwangseok
Be honest, like 50% of your hard drive is taken up by clips of Wendy 😂💙
Man, How Ailee does those notes so easily ughh😵💫🩷
Yassss another video! Stan KOF, stan kpop and stan Ain't no other fan💅
edit: nvm i see taeyon!
tbh idk if there's any vocalist that would fit this, but seeing the two jungho's in the g4, would it be possible to make a video with bad, decent and great belting but on the same note and with the same singer? would also help dispel the myth that improvement isn't possible
I'm glad 2nd gen idols here, you rarely include them in your videos. I wonder if you're ever gonna make videos about them (specifically, like the 4th gen ranking for example). Also, some of them I haven't seen yet like 2ne1, T-ara, 4minute, Afterschool...I'd love to get your opinion on their vocals.
That green D5 from Tae was still quite constricted. Should've used the one from Busan 2016, one of the few times she got that note right.
it’s little the difference tho. Sometimes the audio quality and distorsion plays a huge role in this, and kpop stans will always die for a note that is more reverb than good technique
Agree. I'd use some of Taeyeon's C5s and C#5s for "great" belting (even though they're not really that unbeatable as some people think, they have more than enough for the concept of this video). Taeyeon was never really consistently open above or below that area, iirc. C5/C#5 is where she takes off.
@NickiandOlivia Though people now have finally started talking about her decline, I feel like she's never had the kind of consistency that would warrant all the praise she got, lol. If people were only willing to actually critically assess the full breadth of available material, they'd notice she's always been oddly shaky for someone hailed as "high P." Of course, SM bias and all that, so we won't be seeing that conversation anytime soon.
@@NickiandOliviaC5 and C#5 are kinda Taeyeon’s immortal note. I agree that it he should show more examples of her in those notes.
@@eddyjacx5622she’s quite consistent if you compare her to most of the singer in kpop with the exception of some😑😑. Ailee, Luna, Hyolyn
Always awesome clip! Thank you.
I really like your videos, keep them coming cos imma watch them!🖤Would love to see you include western artists again in your content though, especially with the technique comparison videos
I always wonder if there could be more Shinee on these lists….I know you’ve talked about taemin in other videos but key, onew and jonghyun also do their share of belting. Did I miss some Shinee instalments? :,)
I second this being a shawol on the hunt for quality youtube content is meager pickings 😅
That moment when you compared Taeyeon to Taeyeon 😍
Thanks for including JiU.
People forget she’s the 2nd best vocalist in the group just because Yoohyeon and SuA gets louder parts. But that’s a stylistic choice made by the producer. JiU has a more lighter vocal tone than Yoohyeon and SuA, hence why she’s dubbed the Queen of Bridges. Because her vocals is tone is very melodic. But that just the color of their voices. Technique wise, JiU has always been the healthiest.
JiU isn’t outstanding, per se, but she’s competent and consistent and has a lovely color and tone and that’s frankly rare in its own right, in the context of kpop.
Jiu is up there but second? She’s probably 4th, but Dreamcatcher has good vocals. They’re just healthy because Sua had to get nodules removed back in 2018
i love this type of videos, i really enjoy beltings, my cuties dk nd seungkwan + my wife taeyeon and my girlies 😋🩵🩷
i was waiting for you to put kyuhyun in one of your videos!! also park hyoshin❤
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS, OH MY GOD!
SO ENTERTAINING
So happy to see Park Hyo Shyn in the video, such a legendary vocalist
4:46 oh!
Thanks for including Hyeri and Luna! Second gen truly was kpop at its peak (at least in term of live performance). Love my girl Tiffany but she's always been such a hit or miss. Lol at Taeyeon vs herself
Older, more recent Tiffany is much more consistent, but yeah, she is kinda hit and miss.
Luna was such a gem-f(x) deserved a lot more attention and the way SM pretends they never existed is deeply unfortunate.
@@cherry-insomnia9188 not making excuses for SM, since I think they are partlu responsible for a bunch of theese, but there were a lot of things going against f(x)'s way one after the other: Sully's 'scandals', Victoria making big money in China, Crystal still in contract with them while everything went down with Jessica, both Amber's and Luna's solo projects underperforming (which it's a pity, beacause 'Free Somebody' is a great mini)
Needing an entire video on davichi’s lee haeri bc she is slayingggg
7:04 I wish you had included Haeri's Eb5 in sunflower. That one is so much better than most of her attempts
Hii, can you review 5th gen vocal groups? I'd like to see your output on groups such as babymonster and zerobaseone.
idk about zb1 bc despite their popularity this channel doesn't rlly explore non big 4 groups esp boygroups so
i think he'll talk about baemon pretty soon
@@luvrinas Ah ok, thank you for the reply :D
Baemon is p decent in vocals considering they're from YG and so far, ZB1 is the strongest 5th gen group in terms of vocals (or at least strongest bg)
6:19 I love this
You see even king Taeyeon can make mistakes and have problems in her sing 😅
Sugestion: Talk more about TVXQ (the 5) analysis each one because they 5 are legends ❤ I think this group was to powerfull to be in one group 😊 I would love to see your opbion about 😀
It was a good examble and it clear who had trouble and who was singing from a well supported place. I'm interested to hear an analysis of the four vocals of BtoB but from a newer exambel
love the outro part “stream Kiss Of Life” 🗣️🗣️
I've been streaming Midas Touch❤. Absolutely love the vocals. It reminds me of Britney Spears early production mixed with Cheetah Girls vocal style 💃🏽💃🏽 .
I wish this channel stepped outside of the Big 4 more because BUILD UP - the survival show built on the hook that Kpop loves good vocals (lol) - has so much worth digging into. Some absolutely powerhouse talent but also lots of good and bad choices when it came to belting, harmonies, et al. Also Wendy was a judge!
I been asking for BTOB and Big Mama in this type of videos, but it's always the same groups that he choose lol
Thank you for including Dreamcatcher. So many lists never include them and it makes me sad.
He loves including Dreamcatcher, but especially through out of context clips to convince his audience that Siyeon (and now Yoohyeon too) has terrible unhealthy technique sad face
Like, sure, choose the deliberately compressed note from Maison and the encore with the in ear malfunction as an example of their terrible “regression”. It’s unfortunate that people fall for it
@@cherry-insomnia9188 i would love to read or listen to an updated version of a dreamcatcher vocal analysis because why does siyeon always sound so good yet people say her technique isnt great. do you have a recommendation? i mean i dont only listen to dreamcatcher and i could guess almost all the colours for the clips in this video except for siyeon. so am i supposed to believe shes just good at hiding her not so great technical skills all these years? id be satisfied if this channel hears her sing why did you come to my home, reason, bonvoyage, and deja vu live and release an updated professional opinion.
She’s actually an amazing singer but it’s her technique because she does sing more rock so in order to not damage your vocal cords she has to use a different technique rather than a technique most kpop idols use. And she can do different genres, listen to her song Start Over it’s a more heavier song than the original but it shows her talent or listen to their other songs because DC has other genres and the person that posts these choose clips that make her seem like she’s bad
I think it's easier if we use the same person for one note for people to be able distinguish what's good and bad belting
My vocal range ends at f5 😂
I loved that you put different clips if the same singer, the taeyeon one especially showed that even the greatest singers have bad days and get sick
Please do a video focus on baby monster ! Their vocals are so good
Can you review 5th gen group vocals for your next video?
1:10 Was so surprised to see u include eunji!! Not bc I don’t think she’s a great vocalist (far from that actually), i just don’t often see people mention her anymore, especially now that apink’s international presence has slightly diminished. She is certainly one of the most proficient vocalists in kpop tho!!!! Some of the most reliable live vocals in the industry.
Could we get a 2th Gen vocal analysis please!
Finally Kyuhyun 😊
also, i would like to see more groups outside of hybe + big 3 like oneus and e'last. they're so so good, and they sing live!!
also i cant wait to see queen Belle included in your videos
please do a Brown Eyed Girls vocal analysis
Yoo Hwe Seung of N.Flying can belt really powerful high notes with emotion but I have never seen you mention him in your videos. He is my bias. His singing is amazing. He and his group deserve to be more known.
Could you please add him in your next videos about vocals?
hi! i'm not sure if this has been covered already (i'm sorry if it has) i would really enjoy it if you could consider talking about super junior's vocal line esp their K.R.Y. unit as you covered Chen, Baekhyun and D.O in a previous video! i've always been astounded by kyuhyun's vocal in particular. thank you :)
l see that about belting and immediately sure that seungkwan will be here as great 😂🧡
Now for low notes please They are so underrated
OMG you finally discovered Kyuhyun
Sohyang is just so… She’s mother. That’s all that needs to be said. She is mother 🎤💕
Damn your foot stays on poor Taehyuns neck and you want him to pull out a decent note?!😭🤣
But fr I'd really like to see a compilation of Taehyun actually hitting a note correctly bc on all these bad, decent, and great compilations of yours I haven't seen him get off the Red category.😩
Also happy to see Huening Kai's singing is improving, that F4 was very nice.😊
TAEYEON OF 2015-2019 PLEASE COMEBACKKKK!!! WE MISSED YOU!
Period Midas Touch at the end of
loving the second gen representation!!!!
Yeah, every artist has an off day and you can't expect them to sing that well all the time. But for me, SM artists show more consistency in their vocals, even though it may be less than ideal, just because of the vocal training they've gone through. I do think SM artists have the best artists in terms of singing technique and clarity in the vocals.
oops i did it again
(continue the lyrics!)
Never felt crazier how easy Luna belt E5. Like gurllllll
czcams.com/video/y5ScC63yMkM/video.html
Thoughts of her belt? Sorry it's not Kpop, she's Salma Salsabil, the recent winner of Indonesian Idol. Timestamp: Bb4 0:03, C5 0:22
Does anyone know where that clip of Park Hyoshin at 3:40 is from?
I need a video on Hueningkai, please! I feel like he's got great potential and is somewhat underrated in TXT vocal wise.
Txt doesn't have main vocal actually and hueningkai have mainly chorus part in their song.
Txt vocal wise taehyun and hueningkai are at top
@user-if9fm2nz4q Mhm! I do agree that Taehyun is definitely up there too in the group, and I also acknowledge his passion and potential as a singer. But I still think that sometimes Hueningkai does get the short end of the stick at least when it comes to videos such as let's say a vocal analysis.
Please can yoi do a video about G-idle (ive been requesting this for a Long time 🙏)
As the biggest Luna stan online, I’m over the Pinocchio e5 and immortal song eb5.
I would like to know what you think of seungyeon (kara)'s belting in her solo song guilty
I wish I have an ear like you do so I could have more understanding how taxing it is for Wendy performing 8? songs in her bday that she delivered her first noticeable fails plus the fact all songs covered different genres so that definitely affect her vocal strains
If the belting note is supported can we say it's good? Also can unsupported note belting be good belting?
Where did you find this clip of Jeongyeon 5:11 ?
Idk if you see this comment or not. But do you know Zhang Li Yin? She's not in SM anymore but b4 she's soloist from that company. If you know her, wdyt about her vocal and technique? Is she better than Luna or in the same level with Lina? Or maybe not both. Hope you see my comment
omg jiu mentioned
I will die on the hill that if K-pop (both stans and the industry) would stop thinking MOST singing = BEST singing we would have idols doing well in a range that suits their talents and the songs. But no it's always "but that high note" so we have all this painful grasping for notes to largely disastrous results