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- The Sacred City presents compelling evidence that suggests the holy city of Mecca is in the wrong location and that the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims are praying in the direction of the wrong city. Compiling evidence from both historic sources and new technologies point to the correct location in this seismic, revelatory new film.
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In 2017 Salim Al-Hassani, founder of the academic history of technology portal Muslim Heritage, published a highly critical review of Gibson's Early Islamic Qiblas by a subject matter expert on medieval Muslim astronomy, David A. King, author of World-Maps for Finding the Direction and Distance to Mecca: Innovation and Tradition in Islamic Science, many articles on qibla, and several articles in the Encyclopedia of Islam.[4 King argued that early Muslim Arabs were unable to precisely establish Qiblas when building new mosques until later mathematical developments made precision possible. Further, King wrote, many variations in orientation are better accounted for by regional and local practices, imperfect geography, and folk astronomy. King noted Gibson's inadequate grasp of mathematics, citing Gibson's "spherical polygons" (p. 170) as inexplicable. King summarized his analysis of Gibson's work as an "amateurish, non-scholarly document that is both offensive to Muslims and also an insult to Muslim and Western scholarship."
@@arsalasher7714 Thank you brother. I needed to know this.
Arsal Asher tl;dr
@@arsalasher7714 hard to believe that early muslims were not good at mathmatics etc. The Egyptians built the pyramids many hundred of years before and they were so mathematically precise, we would have difficulty building them today. No It's more a case of, how do you explain to one billion Muslims they now need to face Petra? Where would they all meet? Too complicated, too much money involved, too many people's livelihoods would be erased. But the truth is the truth.
@@sandrabentley1420 it is not the truth.the documentary is full of mistakes which made it sound like a joke
1. Zamzam well
2. The city of taif being around 80 kms from Mecca ( and the grapes where in this place )
3.muhammad SAW's wifes burial place.
4.cave hira as mentioned in many every narration describing how Muhammad SAW became a prophet.
5.graden of Salman Farsi ( where he planted 300 date trees and )
And many more I don't remember all of them but just so you know that he is just trying to sell nothing concrete here .
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Mashallah brother well said . That’s what I said too these guys are nothing but Islam hater. Trying to misguide Muslims.
I see many Muslims believe this guy rather than all the sahaba that lived with prophet and passed on to generations to generation.
These haters Christians should investigate who wrote the Bible and did Jesus died or not .
I think he is talking about a lot of this stuf like the waters of Zamzam in other videos.
He didn't say, that he is Christian or is he? There are Muslims of all European ethnicities. And I really don't think, he is trying to confuse anyone. One historic event and suggestion from the dark times, it is hardly a revolution. I hope some Muslim will challange his theories on scientific Level. There are foreign and not only foreign people trying to confuse Muslims, using money, politics, propaganda, greed, populism and such effective stuff. Why else is he using something so little interesting as science? I can be wrong, but he seems to me as a harmless scientist loving history and anybody can study, love and enjoy history and archeology of any place in the world. Look into Europe and USA and ask their Muslims interested in all and any things regarding history.
He is certainly not some Umayyad puppet with Bukratis in his pocket.
Why didn't any Muslim already answer all the questions he is trying to answer now? You can try it. I am curious about his opinions as well, when Muslim can study vikings and Christians. History as a science can be wrong and is rather an attempt to understand, it's a model trying to Match history and answer questions. I have always thought of Islam and true Muslims like of al-Andalus like of Hadith more than being in clash with people of al-Kitab or being endangered by one scientists, when now Muslims face dangers from millions of places and true division.
Can you explain the number Four with your own words, please? This man was talking about the Cave, I think.
I am not muslim and I can see that this dude is just trying to sell books. Things like this have existed forever. All he has is guesses and to me they do not seem to be educated guesses. I guess he is entitled to his opinion but this is a sales pitch and as one it's poor quality
thanks. its true we have holy water there. how was that created then? and the 2 mountains, so many things he didn't mention
I agree with you not! Try to refute his claims.... Ignoramus
No,archeological evidence tells truth.this is true video al uzza,al dushara temple is truely related to petra.
You should not categorically discharge any research without your own study. Whatever the subject it is…
I can absolutely get behind much of what he said, but ultimately it does not matter to Muslims. Religion is about faith and archeology isn't going to change the faithfuls minds. This goes for every religion. It is interesting to academic minded people, but falls on deaf ears of "believers".
Colin please read the paper in the link below for the 'academic minded' people. The paper is by David King (the actual academic who was cited in Gibson's work for the above documentary and his books).
www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
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@Co Ragoo Yes but please refer to the actual published articles in the references of the paper.
Low budget childish attempt. Quran is a miracle book which is revelation of Almighty Allah in which there is about science and history, medicine, knowledge about galaxy, stars, moon, sun and it tells u about future what is coming and then this guy who spend 1 ticket traveling Jordon, interviewing a local fund raiser person and some other old man sitting near the laptop drawing some parallel lines towards Mecca and Petra can creat any doubt about the origin of Islam in the mind of muslims,!!! Not possible.
Kaba was there before Muhammad Pbuh, the tribe of Quraish live there, there fore father graves are there, Safa and Marwa are there, The well of Zam Zam is there the miracle well. If some one built a Mosque at that ancient time some where in the world which is not in the straight line to Kaba little bit right or left degree, how it can prove the kaba or Meca is at the wrong place. There was no compass that time, it was all sun set and sun rise to determine the direction of kaba, islamic calendar is also related to moon but not any compass he is using to draw the lines, which is also parallel coz Petra is in the way going to Kaba from that direction this guy was pointing in the video.
Then other wrong thing he says about Khalif names in the starting who brought horses and camels to Petra as he mention 40 to 60 yrs time is also wrong, we all know our 4 khalifs name present on that time. We exactly know where Muhammad Pbuh born, where he die, where was his house, where Is Ghare Hira, and kaba is not the thing we worship its just the direction. 2nd thing he said Quran was change or new Quran or the text was erase, or burn etc etc for his knowledge Quran was revealed verse by verse and the time it was revealed there were many followers who memories it and some write it on the stones or some piece of skin, and Muhammad PBUH was present there at that time. Followers recites for hrs when they pray. It was only assembled as a book and catogarised at the time of Hazrat Uthman in the presence of many eye witness, scholars who memorize Quran from start upto the End, The rest of small small pieces people holding in different areas were order to burn or destroy. There is no other Book like Quran a miracle book which can b memorized from the first letter upto the last 114 chapters in it by any human but only Quran is that book which is revelation if Allah the last Testament and book of miracles revealed to Muhammad pbuh by Almighty Allah.
I can judge what that guy is upto but i just want to say nice childish low budget attempt. Try some thing bigger next time with big budget.
You probably wont find any archaeological evidence in mecca other than ancient graves and mabbah itself because they were demolished by al-saud government including the conversion of prophets house to public toilets.
fascinating research! nice job!
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As a muslim watching this, I respect and commend these people for the amount of research and time and hard work put into this documentary.
How does it affect you as s Muslim?
i am with you
@@JSK0792 This is totally my own opinion but I'm going to go with praying to the current Qiblah in Makkah as it was the last decision made by the scholars (mufti's) of that time, who's guidance we should follow when there is no prophet or Caliph available. I am really fascinated with the research though and would like to visit Petra out of interest at some point in my life. I also believe that the world is your prayer mat and that God exists everywhere and with that in my heart, I shall move forward in this regard. Appreciate the question Hun ;-)
@@milesomar1415 Thanks Miles, it's amazing what research people can do when they are interested in something, the human is truly a remarkable creature.
how would you explain zam zam water then? its obviously Mecca this guy didn't do enough research
I came to the comment system looking for reasoned discussions explaining why this documentary might be biased or wrong. But all I find is conspiracy theories and racists chucking insults around. Disappointed.
You're disappointed bc you still don't understand that Islam isn't a race.
@@Msunbird02 you've completely missed the point but if you're going to get hung up on terminology, I suggest you look again. There's a lot of racism, not just islamophobia.
what do you expect from people whose beliefs are entirely based on a fiction book?
@@Msunbird02 are u dumb
@@mk-hf2qs
No, but I think you should read the chapter on Genetics in any high school Biology textbook. Religion is a learned thing, after birth; it doesn't get inherited in genes.
Whose watching this in 632 ?
Love from India
@Jon Seymour wwhaaah really!
with Aisha
*Who is
@Saint Scanderbeg vile
@Saint Scanderbeg per shqiptart qe besojn a ta nin a hiq?
Love you & hats off to you Mr Gibson...my brother......
Sharing and showing this with every muslim in my family my friends and even people in my country!
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Are you guys that blind ?? You gonna listen to this idiot Zionist Islam haters.
You guys have the Zam Zam water at the same place as it was thousands years. House of Allah that was build by Adam than renovated by Ibrahim and than last prophet Muhammad was there and companions after him passed on to all of us and you gonna come and listen to some God knows who. That didn’t even research who wrote the Bible . Wow
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Seems pretty indisputable to me. Petra was just another casualty of revisionist history that became forgotten over time. Thanks for a fascinating and well-researched documentary.
this documentry does not discuss the holy water of mecca, the water of zamzam ....which is located in current mecca 😂🤣😂
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And where does the story about the Zamzam well come from? 😂🤣
A). Debunking Dan Gibson Bogus Petra History
Here some other excellent 13 videos from Dectective O’wil, debunking all Dan Gibson bogus and mad history about Petra as the Original Mecca.
1/14 Introduction
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2/14 Argricultural Mecca
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3/14 Agricultural Mecca
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4/14 Find the Prophet Tribe in Petra
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5/14 Dushara is not in Mecca
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6/14 Mecca a Walled City
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7/14 Mohammad a Nabatean
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8/14 Cultivated land Mecca
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9/14 Muslim forgot Petra
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10/14 No boundary stone in Mecca
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12/14 There is No Rainwater-course in Mecca
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13/14 Hira cave doesn’t face Mecca
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14/14 Dan Gibson Destroy Petra
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@@muezamueza2797 Thanks for the interesting series of videos! I actually have become more skeptical of Gibson’s theories since I initially commented. Usually I’m better about pausing and double-checking before reacting, but my knowledge of Islam is so shallow that I gobbled up everything he said. I don’t think I support the claims in this video anymore, but I’m also still open to the idea that Mecca may not have been where it is today. It’s likely one of those things that ultimately has to be taken on faith, as with many of the locations described in the Bible.
@@christopherdoughty4243 If you wish to follow any religion, especially with Christianity which I am very familiar with, your goal should be to follow the religion as it was intended by the founder, trying to sift through the distortions made by powerful people who manipulated religions for impure purposes. The New Testament Bible was put together by the Romans 300 years after Jesus died, deciding which books (and versions of books) were to be the official ones and which were to be forgotten forever, to fit the narrative of the owners of the earth
Destroying books to rewrite history... So sad and malicious
Been standard practice for centuries.
Yeah: as a book buyer/seller/collector I cringed when observing the way they handled those books. And i also think there are far too many ads!
They destroyed nothing, the afterlife is matter and immortal
@@ahmadyoussif8104 you shut up.. Who burned takshshila indian university.
@@gaminglegion5i656 language, behave pls.
Genuine question here : if muslims don't worship idols, then why do they pray towards a rock? Why not just pray, instead of a specific direction?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is idolatry to the core.
its not a rock its s mosque inside the kaba that we pray to
@@mk-hf2qs why does the whole world have to face mecca when they pray? Why not pray in any direction?
@@__martian__ because it was the original mosque ps quick question are you Christian
Unity is an important thing , so it is actually a sense of unity while praying - wherever you are in the world, you all pray in the same direction as one. So it is not about the mosque or the rock, it’s to share the same direction. You cannot pray to a rock or to the mosque, you are supposed to pray only to God/Allah. There are some Muslims that do idolize wrong things but it has nothing to do with Islam.
takkatt yep, its the general direction!
I can’t understand how people can’t consider what appears to be obvious facts. Religion can really hold back intelligent thinking. If it wasn’t about religion it would be more likely that the arguments would be listened to based on common sense.
Especially satanic cults like da Mormons Catholics Muslim n da faux jews . I mean kneeling down in front of a black cube ?? Return of Saturn. Aka Santa satan. 😑
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Note:- Cheraman Juma mosque, built in 629 A. D can also be sourced for Qibla direction. Wonder why the host skipped it?
Because this monkey is so OBVIOUSLY ANTI-MUSLIMS that's why! hahaha
Thank you Gibson and other team members for sharing these. Fascinating findings here.
This was very convincing
He could not substantiate the masajid between Makkah and Petra. Where they are facing?
This guy is going to start 1000 years of wars lol.
Iyy
this documentry does not discuss the holy water of mecca, the water of zamzam ....which is located in current mecca 😂🤣😂
It could be referring to the Well of Moses, near Petra.
This documentary is beginning for the destruction of the Kaaba subhanallah.
And they din not discuss that Hajar and Isma’il once they arrived at Mecca it was an empty desert valley
@@plebisMaximus are you mad?
@@flamming_arrow zam zam in petra... More evidence shows Petra. Its ok to have faith in something. But more research will reveal to you
ADSENSE every where 😂😂😂😂
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It is obvious who benefits financially by defining Makkah as a place for praying. It brings a huge amount of money for them.
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you nailed it well bro 👌
“We can only truly understand something that holds us if we are free from its grasp”. Summum Bonum
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He did not consider Cheraman Juma Mosque for his direction, which is oldest one built 629CE
The mosque was destroyed by the Portuguese in 1504 when Lopo Soares de Albergaria attacked the port of Kodungallur.
I'd imagine that it was rebuild facing Mecca?
Soon archaeology will claim that the trump tower is the right direction
XD good one !
You probably wont find any archaeological evidence in mecca other than ancient graves and mabbah itself because they were demolished by al-saud government including the conversion of prophets house to public toilets.
this documentry does not discuss the holy water of mecca, the water of zamzam ....which is located in current mecca 😂🤣😂
@@MS-pk2wk If they were demolished there would without doubt be archaeological evidence. Thats just how it works.
What about zam zam? the holy water source in Mecca t's mentioned several times in Quran. Mecca sure did have zamzam well . Whereas Petra had rivers, so now tell me about that.
Yes, this is a living proof too..
That's what we were all talking about it, he doesn't wanna mention zamzam water at all! I noticed
As for zam zam it was earlier suggested to google the Well of Moses in Petra...
Zam Zam could not be in Mecca. Too far from the Jordan for Haggar to walk.
@@Maya-cz8wr Islamic tradition states that the Zamzam Well was revealed to Hajar, the second wife of Prophet Ibrahim and mother of Ismaʿil. By the instruction of God, Prophet Ibrahim left his wife and son at a barren spot in the desert and walked away. She was desperately seeking water for her infant son, but she could not find any, as Makkah is located in a hot dry valley with few sources of water unlike Petra, so following the order of Allah, Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him left and when he was a fair distance away from Hajar and their son, he looked back at the Sacred House (Al-Bayt) and as mentioned in the Holy Quran in Ayah 37 of Surat Ibrahim, he made the following supplication to Allah:
“O, Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley by Your Sacred House so that they would perform the Prayer. O Lord, make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits for which they would give thanks”. Hajar ran seven times back and forth in the scorching heat between the two hills of Safa and Marwah, looking for water. Getting thirstier by the second, the infant Isma'il scraped the land with his feet, where suddenly the water sprang out. So, unquestionably it was in Makkah, where the sacred house was built.
The Moses springs from Petra are different, those came into being when Prophet Musa struck a rock with his staff, and through a miracle from God water sprung forth. Here's what the Quran says about it,
Quran (2:60)
۞ وَإِذِ ٱسْتَسْقَىٰ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِۦ فَقُلْنَا ٱضْرِب بِّعَصَاكَ ٱلْحَجَرَ ۖ فَٱنفَجَرَتْ مِنْهُ ٱثْنَتَا عَشْرَةَ عَيْنًۭا ۖ قَدْ عَلِمَ كُلُّ أُنَاسٍۢ مَّشْرَبَهُمْ ۖ كُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا۟ مِن رِّزْقِ ٱللَّهِ وَلَا تَعْثَوْا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ مُفْسِدِينَ
And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, “Strike with your staff the stone.” And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. “Eat and drink from the provision of Allah, and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption.
He should've used Raheeq-Al-Maktum
Where else would they put it? In the center of the galaxy?
Lol nevermind I just realized this channel only copies the video from internet and paste and upload even the text, the same Video is posted by Channel TRACKS, it just appeared in my suggestions.
in the second century the people of medina had collected a book called muwatta malik. If you know the backstory of that book and the history of medina up until that point, i dont think this whole idea is correct based on that.
Can you share
What's up with that zombie dude walking around head all bloodied up at 1:07
They're trying their best to make people think Islam isn't a true religion.but either you like it or not Islam is The fastest spreading religion and it will stand to the day of judgement.
Yeah kill whoever don't agree with you no wonder why it is spreading
And also it was only spreading ! Now there more intelligent people around resulting more and more x Muslims are emerging around the world !!
M.S.D dirtbags
So can you tell me about a Muslim country that has no other minority religious groups???
Why didn't they kill them?
why those Minorities refuse to go to the merciful west?
And i'v met so many westerners whom converted to Islam by their own choice
Guys, Our purpose in life is to worship only to Allah, not the city of Mecca. The city of Mecca and Ka'bah is just a guide so that we have 1 qibla and not point in all directions in shalat.
i didn't take the warning seriously, my brain cells are suffering!
Why are the "professors" talking like an actor?
Probably took a class to prepare for the documentary.
In the credits it says that he was one of the writers of the documentary, he probably just wanted to read what he had written down so he wouldn’t misspeak. It sounds similar to the way a research paper would sound if it were read verbatim in my opinion.
Because he was paid to do so
this documentary barely scratches the surface of the history.
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The history says :
Arabia Petraea or Petrea, also known as Rome's Arabian Province was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Theophanes the Confessor who wrote about Early Muslim conquests
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
He said The Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
You can read that in his book The Chronicle of Theophanes , Oxford 1997
kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf
Saudi Arabia's business trap is Mecca pilgrimage.
Exactly 🤣
Saudi is selling allah like a business and killing muslim brothers.
Saudi Arabia is the biggest country in the world for oil and gas production.
mecca its not business its a worship.
also USA have a church is this not a business or for idiot people ??
The time of confusion never ended. O.M.G. From this video I have a splitting headache.
interesting, but how would you explain the battles that took place between Mecca (in Saudi Arabia) and Medina such as the battles of Ohod and Bader which can be located there?
Why did they choose these locations considering that they are far away from the place suggested in the documentary?
None of Muhammad's battles were recorded. Everything you know about this person was written by muslims from central asia 200 years after his death. However you can find some historical and archeological evidence about the true life of this person in Levant and Northern Arabia and how an arabic religion (which was originally founded by some jews who believed that the christ was only a messenger) was taken by persians to found a whole new religion called islam to conquer the world.
@@pololo0000 hadith.
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Because it’s closer to Israel 😂😂😂
These guys are fake news.
@Juan juanitoooooo poquitoooooooo lolitooooooooo
Very informative topic.His facts and evidence appears interesting.
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Yes let him look into Bible see who wrote it it would be more befitting to him than to tell lies about Mecca not being at the right place. When all the evidence are there from zam zam blessed water still there to mountain Hira still there heheh he tried but failed.
@@stillhere7193 the bible description of places can still be found is Israel and Palestine!
@@Observation-ch9hc but who take the Bible to be in the original form definitely not us. No one knows who the actual author is of the Bible. Especially with all the contradictions, numeric errors, father sleeping with daughters. All those negative stuff a faithful men would not accept that kind of book to be the truth. There for whatever Bible says it’s questionable. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was there physically and received Quran revelation, and it’s written as he was leaving and it’s still unchanged till today.
I would rather take from a book that has lineage writers then from the unknown author of the Bible the evidence is that it has errors. Also how many of Bible are there 64 , 84.
Ancient Hinduism has strong connection and evidence there..surprising and shocking to see that..
That is so because even in Islamic history people before islam were idol worshippers and by so doing it can be right to say that there were hindus there before the advent of islam.
Islam practices are Hindu originated.
So whats new, any muslim knows the story ofthe 144 aya in sura al bacara, its about changing the kebla, however taking ibn hisham and ibn ishak as reference is not good as they add alot of wrong stories
Excellent work
The history says :
Arabia Petraea or Petrea, also known as Rome's Arabian Province was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Theophanes the Confessor who wrote about Early Muslim conquests
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
He said The Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
You can read that in his book The Chronicle of Theophanes , Oxford 1997
kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf
Can you imagine the awkward conversation of the first person who first realized this though trying to tell someone this?
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the romans would have conquerered mecca if it was a city. but its very interesting to see the saudis build a city in the middle of nowhere
@@teddymoon3744 Roman got defeated by Muslims they had no chance .
@@stillhere7193 Actually by pre-Islamic Arabs(on another side were stopped by Parthians - Persia), when the Roman Empire tried to expand into Arabia, but a large part of the later Muslim and Arab World was Roman Empire. Muslims faced only against small fraction of dying Roman Empire of so called "Byzantium" and they were not alone in the conquest.
@@teddymoon3744 Greeks didn't reach the area, because of the death of Alexander the Great/Iskandr.
Romans were defeated by non-muslim tribes of the area. Nabateans had the independent large City of Petra and there were other settlements and people in the area, that were never conquered by the Romans. Parthians and Romans struggled for control of the areas North of Arab Peninsula and Petra, Mecca, Medina etc., neither side was capable to defeat the other side fully and forever.
Later Roman Empire crumbled and it fell because of people having Mecca as their Holy City and because of betrayal. Sassanid Persian Empire fell earlier because of Muslims and I never understood how some group from the Mecca, Medina cities in deserted area (so unlike the description of al-Quran) was capable to unite all nations and tribes of Arabia and defeat Parthians and conquer so much Land. It would make sense if Becca/Makkah is Nabatean Petra.
Simply said the Mecca defeated the Romans.
Islamic tradition identifies Bakkah as the ancient name for the site of Mecca. ... In Islamic tradition, Bakkah is where Hagar and Ishmael (Ismā'īl) settled after being taken by Abraham (Ibrāhīm) to the wilderness, a story parallel to the Bible's Book of Genesis (21:14-21)(but see below for the biblical geography).
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Interesting
Plus I would bring to light some mistakes and questions unanswered in this documentary,
1. It is “Masjid al Haram” not “Masjid al Haraam”. Har’a’m (sacred) and Har’aa’m (forbidden)
2. how come the floods destroyed the Kaaba of Petra and the rest of the city still surives?
3. How come "Bakkah" is mentioned in the Quran chapter 3 verse 96 if it was turned into "Makkah" mentoined in quran chapter 48, verse 24?4. How come masjid Al Haraam is mentioned being rebuilt in Makkah by the umayyads, (while they should be against doing so, according to this documentary) in an rock inscription 697 AD? Umayyads regained Makkah and rule it from 692 to 750 (that is 58 years), how come they don't rebuilt the Kabba in Petra but in Makkah as by the 697 AD rock inscription?
You can view the inscription here.
www.islamic-awareness.org/history/islam/inscriptions/haram1
5. No Islamic remains in Petra?
6. Descriptions of the Islamic holy city fits Makkah not Petra. There was scarcity of water in Makkah and flooding occurred when it rained heavily. The pagan temples were destroyed by Muslims and the wall surrounding the city was simple and small, while Petra had dams to store water and hence no flooding occurred. Its pagan temples still survive. Dan Gibson exaggerated Al-Tabari. see czcams.com/video/vooLHdL0Xp8/video.html
7. several old mosques which don't fit to Dan's theory are not mentioned.
8. this is completely wrong, we never consider oldest copies of Quran unreliable, rather I would consider the oldest manuscripts as the most authentic, hence I usually compare their text with the modern ones, and not a single word differs. Hence I can not deny that the Quran has not changed.
9. this is a big lie, "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten" Quran 2:106
10. exaggerated, Dan based this on Abbasid history, which he says to oppose. Contradiction.
11. Mecca is mentioned in the following early Quranic pre kufic manuscripts:
Codex Is. 1615 I, folio 47v, radiocarbon dated to 591-643 CE.
Codex Ṣanʿāʾ DAM 01-29.1, folio 29a, radiocarbon dated between 633-665 CE.
seecommons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Makkah_mentioned_in_Quranic_manuscript_Codex_Arabe_331dated_to_652-765_CE_with_95.4%25_probability.png
plus these Quranic manuscripts mention the change of qibla:
DAM 01-29.1
Arabe 331
12. quoting Abbasid history, which Dan later denies.
13. nothing between small pebbles and mountain cut rocks?
14. Kabba during the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH was made up of alternate layers of wood and stone. This architectural style resembles the Yemenite culture, not that of Petra.
I can continue on and on with finding these mistakes, I apologize you would have to read this much, so I'll stop here. I would like if you answer any of these points.Thanks.
Watching all the advertisement in between were worth it
i think im dumb but can somebody help me?
he says mekka is in the wrong place?
okay if thats so then why it is there?
Plus I would bring to light some mistakes and questions unanswered in this documentary,
1. It is “Masjid al Haram” not “Masjid al Haraam”. Har’a’m (sacred) and Har’aa’m (forbidden)
2. how come the floods destroyed the Kaaba of Petra and the rest of the city still surives?
3. How come "Bakkah" is mentioned in the Quran chapter 3 verse 96 if it was turned into "Makkah" mentoined in quran chapter 48, verse 24?4. How come masjid Al Haraam is mentioned being rebuilt in Makkah by the umayyads, (while they should be against doing so, according to this documentary) in an rock inscription 697 AD? Umayyads regained Makkah and rule it from 692 to 750 (that is 58 years), how come they don't rebuilt the Kabba in Petra but in Makkah as by the 697 AD rock inscription?
You can view the inscription here.
www.islamic-awareness.org/history/islam/inscriptions/haram1
5. No Islamic remains in Petra?
6. Descriptions of the Islamic holy city fits Makkah not Petra. There was scarcity of water in Makkah and flooding occurred when it rained heavily. The pagan temples were destroyed by Muslims and the wall surrounding the city was simple and small, while Petra had dams to store water and hence no flooding occurred. Its pagan temples still survive. Dan Gibson exaggerated Al-Tabari. see czcams.com/video/vooLHdL0Xp8/video.html
7. several old mosques which don't fit to Dan's theory are not mentioned.
8. this is completely wrong, we never consider oldest copies of Quran unreliable, rather I would consider the oldest manuscripts as the most authentic, hence I usually compare their text with the modern ones, and not a single word differs. Hence I can not deny that the Quran has not changed.
9. this is a big lie, "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten" Quran 2:106
10. exaggerated, Dan based this on Abbasid history, which he says to oppose. Contradiction.
11. Mecca is mentioned in the following early Quranic pre kufic manuscripts:
Codex Is. 1615 I, folio 47v, radiocarbon dated to 591-643 CE.
Codex Ṣanʿāʾ DAM 01-29.1, folio 29a, radiocarbon dated between 633-665 CE.
seecommons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Makkah_mentioned_in_Quranic_manuscript_Codex_Arabe_331dated_to_652-765_CE_with_95.4%25_probability.png
plus these Quranic manuscripts mention the change of qibla:
DAM 01-29.1
Arabe 331
12. quoting Abbasid history, which Dan later denies.
13. nothing between small pebbles and mountain cut rocks?
14. Kabba during the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH was made up of alternate layers of wood and stone. This architectural style resembles the Yemenite culture, not that of Petra.
I can continue on and on with finding these mistakes, I apologize you would have to read this much, so I'll stop here. I would like if you answer any of these points.Thanks.
@@TahaWasiq Dan mentions Uthman as hanging a sign in Medina mosques to indicate Mecca as the Qibla. Uthman is too early for either Umayyad proper or Abbasids. Something is wrong with Dan's timeline
Your theory is wrong at safah and marwa because ismaeil hit his foot to the soul and water came out from there and it is called zam zam water and it is still running even tho the name of the country was Hajaz not Saudi Arabia and then 10,000 saints enters in Makkah and plus janat ul baqih is in Hijaz not in jordan cracks in rocks is talking about ohad mountain . Even tho Hazat Ali R.A was born inside of kabab 🕋 and it was in Makah not in Jordan
Lars Nielsen I think you didn’t read Chapter Elephant or story about 365 statues in Kababh or the birth of Saint Ali R.A keep you theory to yourself thanks 🙏
Lars Nielsen Allah knows who is currpt and who is not so you don’t worry he judged individual by his deeds and we pray to Allah not Kabah
Yes.
Well I think it's just a good story with out sold connections between the place and historical facts.
Muslims watching this..... stop criticizing and start critically thinking for once. It is uncomfortable truth but wouldn't you rather know the truth than live a lie? Think outside of the Islamic box and do your own research.
Whhhaaaah realllly!
my answer to this - ZAM ZAM water and the 2 mountains and all the graves?
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Just watch response to this documentary, outright lie
Dis documentary is a laugh
S . Hassan your English is even funnier
Thank you for sharing the truth with us, Dan Gibson!
When a muslim dies! He is buried 90° towards mecca and his face facing Mecca. So when Hazrat Mohammad (SAW) passed away, then according to your thoery he should have been buried towards petra and the direction of Masjid Nabvi in Madina should have been towards petra which is the burial place of Hazrat Mohammad (SAW). Your thoery is built on mosques whose direction could have been anciently errored due to poor technology or guesses of the direction used at that time. And where is the Water of zam zam is flowing from inumerous years!
Interesting theories. Especially the moving of the Kaba. I was taught that Abraham and Ismael together laid down the corner stone for the Kaba. If Abraham wandered about the land west of Jordan, why would he take the very long journey through hazardous deserts to lay the foundations for a prayer building. Petra is far closer...
Paran is Mecca google it so is Bakka the real mount Sinai is in Arabia there are many Jewish scholars admitting it also documentary where they went there to prove it type it on youtube
@@Jam-dr3wt Thank you for the input, but I do not use Google nor CZcams as a legitimate source for information. I'd rather ask my lecturer with a phd on Islam
What is very interesting is the Kaba was a pagan totem which can still be found in parts of India and actually the pagans walked the opposite way round it than they do today - the very concept of the Kaba flies in the face of Islams assertion of polytheism being allowed given this served as a polytheistic shrine system!
In 2020, with all the footage we have from the space telescope, we now know, no God with a white beard is out there or this universe is a humanoid dwelling, we are merely a flook of chemistry from our distance from the Sun and having water.
All religions are just comfort blankets for morons scared of death and the futility of wisdom in a pointless life!
The history says :
Arabia Petraea or Petrea, also known as Rome's Arabian Province was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Theophanes the Confessor who wrote about Early Muslim conquests
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
He said The Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
You can read that in his book The Chronicle of Theophanes , Oxford 1997
kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf
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if mecca in saudi arabia is an ancient city, why were there no archaelogical ruins or sites in or around it?
Because the Arabs destroyed them after the Ottomans fell
@@bigboyrambo2009 show me the source of where u got ur information
Because it's not allowed to non Muslim to enter makkah.
even if the arabs destroyed the buildings in mecca, there should have been traces or vestiges at least of this ancient structure in mecca, but there was none
@@cesaradvincula5436 there is something but we don't show it to any one
Nice try in order to get hype but still not impressive. You tried to describe it as scientific, technological research by observing history and so on however the basis information that you give us (Mecca’s right location) is completely wrong.
Lećh Gusinski // Gabriel Angelo Daus // obviously not. U can loose you car keys,phone, dollar note, u cannot loose a city. Mecca is mecca. Not Petra. Its western propaganda. Its a way of shacking the belief of Muslims in preparation for a secular future for the middle east.
The gcc (imperialists puppets) waged a war in yemen presumably against the houthis but its a war against islamists (muslim brotherhood). UAE pays private mercenaries (blackwater and others) to assassinate muslim brotherhood party members in Yemen but not houthis because houthis have a secular plan for yemen which is what america and its puppets (uae, saudi..gcc) want.
They even killed mohammed mursi (muslim brotherhood memeber) in prison in Egypt.
sharing this video with several Imams who are progressive I think this is fascinating
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This is fake fabrication
This clip is absolute nonsense to put it mild. What is the distance between Basra and Medina where the prophet Muhammad (SAW) migrated to,And Hudebiya where the first sacrifice of the Muslims was made ? I have places in mine environment that suits better than this assertion. The signs of Qibla direction was to correct mistakes of facing other directions other than the Qibla.
We don't worship black stone .we worship only one God.
@Vladimir Putin god said in Quran to pray to its direction wherever you are. Quran chapter 2 verse 144
@Vladimir Putin Well Allah SWT knows best however the best reason we have is that all the believers (muslims) no matter where they are ( be it North america, africa, asia etc. heck even the space) can face the same direction when worshiping the same ONE God, so it's a matter about unity.
Vladimir Putin
The stone was made by a very special prophet sent down from god. Our prophet build that for the sake of Allah meaning that we are required to pray to it.
You're giving wrong information.
how do you know?
@@mimikolomamu , if you doubting my opinion or seeking further explanation, please find your Muslim friends. Much easier.
@@nizamishak9808 i dont have to because they have the same mentality.
@@nizamishak9808 by the way im asking you. im not asking another people. im asking you how do you know?
@@mimikolomamu , ok. Here's my opinion. Since Prophet Muhammad pass away, Islam religion had split to 73 group. 72 group, not truly understands or practice Islam. Only 1 group of Muslim which is truly follows Islam way, originally which been taught by Prophet Muhammad. Some how, they have connections, by every knowledge links to from who to who... until Prophet Muhammad. The origin.. So, any information about Islam, you may get it from them. you must find the track. If you are trustworthy, with honest and humble, you might fall into the track.
Beside, what I claim this video was giving wrong information, because the source. Only one source valid. Other sources are doubt.
Why I'm asking you to asking your Muslim's friends? My English not good enough for elaborate to you. I can explain since human day 1 on earth, the origin until today, but only in Melayu languages. I'm sorry..
TLDR. Just here to let you all know, the Vatican is supposed to be in NYC. I will make a video on it soon (when I have a few years to research it and manipulate some facts).
Thanks James you are a lifesaver, may god be with you whatever your religion. Nowdays no one respect islam in the same time we forced to respect the LGBT, porngraphy, Baphomet, human fights (rights), holocaust, aliens, drugs, false wars.
Lol exactly
would it make any difference where those men are located? they still do nothing for either god
All the support my brother💪
This Man Is just Using A Grape For Agriculture
Even in my villege I dont have agriculture but I hav fruits only in season, That dosn't mean cultivation
He is Good Artist Of Confusing
I wil must work on it inshAAlah
i request you bro it's totally wrong information please complaint against video on youtube i already did
You just had hashish in your belly lol
What about zam zam?? You are showing only a few selected pieces of history and that too doubtful history?
user 32 good point😂👍
user 32 it was suggested by someone to google the Well of Moses located in Petra...
What’s the best way the make people believe your will? Keep them in ignorance.
The history says :
Arabia Petraea or Petrea, also known as Rome's Arabian Province was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Theophanes the Confessor who wrote about Early Muslim conquests
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
He said The Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
You can read that in his book The Chronicle of Theophanes , Oxford 1997
kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf
There's a video in your ad.
Fully
The original scripts are read right to left. This would place the original discussion concerning Mecca in what is now called Mali.
There is something that i dislike about people on mass making public displays of their faith, and that applies to any religion. Spirituality whether religious or not should be something you experience in your pivate moments and between you and the creator that you believe in. As for walking around that rock a certain way it seems almost superstitious. Im sure that i read that the roots of it were originally pagan ? Personally i would like to see a rule where children arent taught any religion until they are 16, other than the basic 10 commandments etc, but thats never going to happen ! i understand that people get strength from religion so i try and see the positives in it as well as the negatives.
We should teach critical thinking since childhood
@@AD-jq7ow Definetly
God bless you for giving you an open mind and heart of peace. god bless your family roots....
Excellent, professional and well researched documentary.
Horrific, unprofessional and cheaply researched documentary
Disgusting, unprofessional and cheaply researched documentary.
czcams.com/video/m3u6kLktY0k/video.html WATCH THIS
5:17 is not muslim, that is Bahram Chobin of Iran fighting the hephlahites
Lets get curious. Lets read the book.
Surprised this video hasn't been pulled by CZcams as "Islamophobic". It will be eventually.
Your full of hate and venom! Why did your corrupt government attack iraq? Why they attacked lybia? Blood thirsty monsters!
this documentry does not discuss the holy water of mecca, the water of zamzam ....which is located in current mecca 😂🤣😂
ZAMZAM WATER CONTAINS DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE (ARSENIC)
Arsenic can cause cancer.
SOURCE: www.arabianbusiness.com/saudi-officials-deny-makkah-holy-water-is-polluted-398553.html
According to the World Health Organisation, the permitted arsenic rate in natural water is up to 10 microgram per litre. The amount of arsenic in Zamzam water is much less than the amount permitted by the WHO, he said (Fahd Turkistani).
Holy water from God containing arsenic? Simple. Zamzam water is not from God.
@@Grim_Azrael pot calling the kettle black😂😂
1. Dan Gibson said that the name "Makkah" (or in the video spelled "mecca") only mentioned once in the entire quran. Other names are associated by Muslim scholars to the name of Makkah. Like "Bakkah" (becca) for example. Let us examine this. The name "Makkah" is a modern pronunciation of the ancient word "bakkah" means weeping. It originated from the story of Hagar and Ishmael. This story is also mentioned in the Bible. See the story of "Be'er Lahay Roy" (The Well of Lahay Roi) or we called it today "zam-zam" in the Book of Genesis. This theory also affirmed by RAMBAM (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon - or Maimonides) when he wrote about Psalm 84:3-6.
2. In the Quran chapter 2: 144 it was mentioned: "Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque." The Sacred Mosque (Masjidil Haram) is the Kakbah (the Black Box) located in Makkah. There is a narration about this verse when the Prophet prays towards Al-Quds (Palestine) he turned his back from Kakbah. This happened when the prophet was in Makkah.
3. Dan Gibson also stated that "every muslims should pray towards black rock/stone in mecca." Well, again you should do your research well Mr. Gibson. Kakbah is not only a "Black Stone" or "Rock". It is a Mosque with a room inside it. It is 13.10 meters high, and 11.03 meters x 12.62 meters square in the inside. So no, it is not a "Rock" or "Stone". Thus it is called "Masjidil Haram" (Sacred Mosque) and not "Hajar" (Rock). There is a rock embedded in it, called Hajar Aswad (the black stone) but it was just a part of it. Not the Kakbah itself.
4. Dan Gibson also mentioned that the Ummayyads and the Abbasids (during a civil war) disputed about the direction of prayer whether towards Makkah or Petra. This theory does not have any historical basis. He criticized the basis of Makkah being the Qibla (direction of prayer) and yet he speaks without any historical evidence regarding a so-called "historical event" :/ It was stated that the Qibla in the Mosque of Umar faced neither Makkah nor Petra because of the confusion. Well this is a conjecture with no evidence at all... This happens all the time in Muslim world, where the directions of Makkah is ambiguous because there is no modern map or compass whatsoever, so they estimated the direction with their limited ability and knowledge. In Indonesia, it happens all the time. So whenever the Sun is on the Kakbah, we see the sun in order to locate the direct Qibla towards Kakbah/Makkah. It is non-sense to say that they deliberately pointed the qibla neither to Makkah nor Petra out of confusion. What's the point then not to face one of them? Did they pray facing nowhere?? Non-sense!
5. From the linguistic point of view, the Quran was revealed in Classical Arabic, in the dialect of the Meccan (though there are some variant recitations. According to a sound hadith - sayings of the Prophet PBUH- there are 7 recitations of the Quran). No connection whatsoever with the Petra or Jordanian people/language. In fact, Nowaday Jordanian Arabic was influenced by that of Classical Arabic, not vice versa.
I rest my case.
Bakkah or beccah in psalm is not Mecca.
It has no correlation to meccah
It is ignorance
Thanks bro @muhammad adiguna bimasakti
Makasih ilmunya saudaraku sesama muslim.
Well done my brother, every Forger claims to be a scientist and researcher that people blindly believe his research so that he does not agree with the standards of scientific research😒 All he did was translate words at his whim and store what he asked for!
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I think beside faith this is true in itself. This man is not an idiot providing so many facts. Wht most amazed me the connection of stories an ahadit to the place. Indeed there is spot for those who understand. This is true because the early muslims were blind for power they did whatever they wanted. The resaons and the well researches he has done is true for me.
Wow! wow!! Wow!!!
What about zam zam? The holy water sourcse in mecca that is mentioned several times in Holly Quran. Mecce sure did have zam zam well. Where as petra had rivers, so now tell me about that.
I was thinking about that all the way watching the documentary 🤔👀
google Well of Moses , located in Petra ..it was a sacred long before Islam was even a twinkle in Muhammeds eyes ...
@@BiPolarBear128 Islamic tradition states that the Zamzam Well was revealed to Hajar, the second wife of Prophet Ibrahim and mother of Ismaʿil. By the instruction of God, Prophet Ibrahim left his wife and son at a barren spot in the desert and walked away. She was desperately seeking water for her infant son, but she could not find any, as Makkah is located in a hot dry valley with few sources of water unlike Petra, so following the order of Allah, Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him left and when he was a fair distance away from Hajar and their son, he looked back at the Sacred House (Al-Bayt) and as mentioned in the Holy Quran in Ayah 37 of Surat Ibrahim, he made the following supplication to Allah:
“O, Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley by Your Sacred House so that they would perform the Prayer. O Lord, make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits for which they would give thanks”. Hajar ran seven times back and forth in the scorching heat between the two hills of Safa and Marwah, looking for water. Getting thirstier by the second, the infant Isma'il scraped the land with his feet, where suddenly the water sprang out. So, unquestionably it was in Makkah, where the sacred house was built.
The Moses springs from Petra are different, those came into being when Prophet Musa struck a rock with his staff, and through a miracle from God water sprung forth. Here's what the Quran says about it,
Quran (2:60)
۞ وَإِذِ ٱسْتَسْقَىٰ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِۦ فَقُلْنَا ٱضْرِب بِّعَصَاكَ ٱلْحَجَرَ ۖ فَٱنفَجَرَتْ مِنْهُ ٱثْنَتَا عَشْرَةَ عَيْنًۭا ۖ قَدْ عَلِمَ كُلُّ أُنَاسٍۢ مَّشْرَبَهُمْ ۖ كُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا۟ مِن رِّزْقِ ٱللَّهِ وَلَا تَعْثَوْا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ مُفْسِدِينَ
And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, “Strike with your staff the stone.” And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. “Eat and drink from the provision of Allah, and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption.
Also, about your last statement, I'd like to clarify that Prophet Muhammad PBUH was the last Prophet of Islam he didn't bring a new message but revived the previous true faith of monotheism which had been distorted through time the same faith Prophet Abraham and those that came before him such as Prophet Noah and his forefather Adam PBUH were practicing. After Prophet Muhammad PBUH there will be no other prophet or messenger.
Apostate Prophet has a video saying Mohammed used too pray in the direction the Jews do and then he switched direction because the Jews made fun of him after they rejected his preaching. The Video is titled the truth about the Kaaba. If the Description of Mecca doesn’t fit the description of what the land would look like and what should be found there then what more is there too discuss? 14:16
Farid Responds this apostate hypocrite
Early history of Islam is so fascinating, its just as revised as Christian history and Jewish and yet even harder to pin down. Considering it all happened in the graveyard of the Sassanid and Roman empires, so few sources to really pierce the veil.
Does seem like Mecca is somewhere further north than Hijaz and closer to the traditional borderlands between Palestine and Arabia.
But at least the Quran hasn’t been deviated. At prophet Mohamed time till the third Khalifa we were called Believers, later on it has been changed to Islam. Alongside changing many beliefs and more importantly of them all the place of the Holy mosque or temple, where believers do the pilgrimage. According to Quran it has to be in the kananians land (original palestine).
People act like Islam is a 5000 year old religion that is shrouded in myths about its origin.
But its a very straight forward story well documented of fairly recent history.
To make a claim that Muslim dont know where Mecca is is a ridiculous conspiracy.
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Well can your imams and muslim scholars prove this wrong ?
In 2017 Salim Al-Hassani, founder of the academic history of technology portal Muslim Heritage, published a highly critical review of Gibson's Early Islamic Qiblas by a subject matter expert on medieval Muslim astronomy, David A. King, author of World-Maps for Finding the Direction and Distance to Mecca: Innovation and Tradition in Islamic Science, many articles on qibla, and several articles in the Encyclopedia of Islam.[4] King argued that early Muslim Arabs were unable to precisely establish Qiblas when building new mosques until later mathematical developments made precision possible. Further, King wrote, many variations in orientation are better accounted for by regional and local practices, imperfect geography, and folk astronomy. King noted Gibson's inadequate grasp of mathematics, citing Gibson's "spherical polygons" (p. 170) as inexplicable. King summarized his analysis of Gibson's work as an "amateurish, non-scholarly document that is both offensive to Muslims and also an insult to Muslim and Western scholarship."[4]
There are no artefacts, even a broken cup, in Mecca dating back to 7 th century available.
King is just salty because Gibson challenged his life work.
@@leonedralev3776 there are literally no mention of Petra being mekkah in 1400 years. All of a sudden it is.
What about Zamzam well?
a7t4h // Gabriel Angelo Daus // obviously not. U can loose you car keys,phone, dollar note, u cannot loose a city. Mecca is mecca. Not Petra. Its western propaganda. Its a way of shacking the belief of Muslims in preparation for a secular future for the middle east.
The gcc (imperialists puppets) waged a war in yemen presumably against the houthis but its a war against islamists (muslim brotherhood). UAE pays private mercenaries (blackwater and others) to assassinate muslim brotherhood party members in Yemen but not houthis because houthis have a secular plan for yemen which is what america and its puppets (uae, saudi..gcc) want.
They even killed mohammed mursi (muslim brotherhood memeber) in prison in Egypt.
Green98 how is it propaganda? They literally showed facts, can you refute them?
Lance Gin how
I didn't see the full video but how you explain zam zam well? The never dry well in the middle of desert. Secondly we're not talking of 10,000 years ago with no continous written records etc.
Well Saudis build over Zamzam well, u can drink water from builded fountains and the water is stored in 2 giant containers, who knows if Zamzam water is even water from the actuall well. It could be dried lang time ago and Saudis covered it up and pretend there is still water there... I belive Saudis are kind of "rulers" that would've no problem lying to people to gain their prestige and monetary gains
I’m so grateful that I was raised with love and kindness; not with religion.
Was gonna say amen...but that would be hypocritical haha but yeah I was raised on no religion and I'm so glad for that..have found spiritual way of life now and very happy still to follow no "god" but have total trust In the universe and it's energies x
religion and love/kindness are not mutually exclusive.
@@draculena I agree whole heartedly....I just feel more free. I do see negative things like unnecessary shame and guilt in some religions but not all. X
I'm just grateful that I wasn't born into the islamic religion!!
But do you have love in your heart?.. You must hate something or someone or some race..... If you have no God in your heart you have no love.. For God is love..... Nothing was made without a maker..
0:28 *Sheeple.*
Pigg
Quran is so complete you would know it if you could read it and understand.... But only Allah guides those he chooses,... You are lost....
You have to be in straight line with HOLY KAABA only when you can see it with your eyes
Tell that to the folks in a mosque in Pakistan if they face the "wrong" wall during prayers..
I have lists upon lists of ancient sites, mosques, temples, castles, monasteries, palaces, star forts, walled cities, everything. To know the original location of mecca is actually rather easy because many of the ancient mosques have not been reconstructed, and that is obvious by looking at them on Google Earth. It should be as simple as placing lines on Google Earth from each mosque and finding out where they intersect.
can you do it and send me a link please, im too stupid
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so how did it torn out what was the answer since it was so easy to figure out ?
The footnote to Mecca is similar to the footprint in Sri Lanka. The symbol is that of the Buddha. The author of the Quran wanted the Muslims to seek refuge in the Buddha again. The thipitakaya words match the some words of the Qur'an. Muslims today do not know that past.
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Buddha is new 😂
فتنة كغيرها الهدف منها تفريق المسلمين .
Actually core is the centre of the earth
Yes. Mecca was moved to a better place, more friendly to tourists. Yes, current Mecca is not Mecca.
islam is true
if you didn't believe religions thats up to you .
When you forget what you wrote
Wasn’t it in mobites area
Well researched and more than valid arguments. I highly doubt though that it will impact more than the academic side of Islamic studies. Ordinary people wouldn't accept this.
compass were not accurate or GPS wasn't available in that era, minor angle issues could be measured even today. it's all about niyyat.
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So all this time, they've been praying in the wrong direction?!?
Izzy loool absolute idiot if u believe that
@@Adonis300 It's true, in fact.
Well most of them just do what their parents force them to do so
AJ20ist you’re making assumptions lol
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Brother be strong with your believe and don't take the rubbish what man was saying
DAN GIBSON WHO IS A POLYTHEIST AND FASIQ HOWEVER HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH REGARDING THE SACRED CITY. I support those who speaks the truth regardless what they believe in.
@Al Mudarabah brother come come let’s reason! Where is figs? Where is olives? Where is pomegranate? Where is the houses was left behind and then people of Becca took over ! ?
The problem is you people serve the dead! And I serve Allah!
I mean who gives damn about tabari or zubair or Bukhari !!! Who cares if they exist or didn’t exist!!
You say Maccah just like Dan Gibson !! Habiby there is no such thing as Mecca ! It’s always Becca! Learn the difference
Peace!
First of all Makkah was never a trading post it became famous because of the pilgrimage people used to do when idols were put the kaabah. And to all the idiots saying that Muslims worship the stones or the kabah should learn a thing or two.. we worship Allah alone and kaabah is our compass so Muslims around the world face the same direction to create the concept of one Ummah and harmony. Secondly all of the old city is under the grand mosque alone..7-8 million people come for hajj each year that would be way more than the whole population of the whole Arabia at that time. so of course the city of a 1000 people wouldnt be as big as makkah is today. Lastly Makkah is mentioned in the Quran 48:24 .. seems like you can get a random dude with his random opinions on film and call it a documentary ... HOW CHEAP
Im a muslim :) :3
You are completely ignorant... You stone worshipping block head.
Hindus pray to idol's and yet claim they worship one God and same goes to the Christians when they pray to the trinity and yet claim to believe in one God. We Muslim believe in one God and yet pray towords the black stone.
Basically the principle is the same and we all pray to idol's indirectly.
Allah never said to face any stone indeed he said to face the masjidul al haram where the first house was built by ibrahim. The house is the religion of Allah therefore face the religion of ibrahim not the black stone.
Christians pray to the Trinity.. 😅😂😂😂😂😂😅.. Ibrahim was no where near your Kaaba.... What does it matter one God, 2 God... The question is, Is your God the real God.?
@ak jay : no one prays to black stones you dumbass we just face the Kaaba as a compass ..if you don't even know that then you need a lot of learning if you are a muslim.
@king bich : bring me one document of the time which says Ibrahim wasnt there if you cant then stfu cause you seriously dont know what you are talking about.
Well done 👍 sir great job I really appreciate your hard work keep it up
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Watch how he Dan gibbons lie and deceive in his documentary
Saint Scanderbeg
That’s your opinion but Mohammed ( peace and blessings upon him ) has no Facebook, no Instagram, no Twitter etc yet have 1.8?billion followers...
Micheal H Hart wrote a book name most influential people of all time and he placed Mohammed ( pbup) No 1, yes no 1, this book was not written by Muslim ohh no Micheal Hart was an historian and astrophysicist , and Christian ...
No matter what I say, what 1.8?billion Muslims say, what Micheal Hart and many non Muslims says about Mohammed, you will still call Mohammed and everyone an idiot do you know why ? Cus you are brainwashed and lead to believe lies about Mohammed and Islam from people who have axe to grind with Islam, just like a sheep ...
Why the hatred ? What Islam and Mohammed done to you ?
I would humbly request you read the Quran and about Mohammed with an open mind and then make a judgment based on your research and reading... I will have greater respect for you or any individual who based on his research comes to a judgment
Don’t blind follow Dan Gibson or any one as such, life is too short especially to hate someone based on someone else saying so...
The history says :
Arabia Petraea or Petrea, also known as Rome's Arabian Province was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Theophanes the Confessor who wrote about Early Muslim conquests
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
He said The Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
You can read that in his book The Chronicle of Theophanes , Oxford 1997
kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf