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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 05. 2023
- After the 2023 F1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix and the collision during the sprint between Max Verstappen & George Russell, the Mercedes man revealed a worrying truth about their car compared to the Red Bull. Do you think Mercedes will get back fighting for wins by the end of the season?
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You need to understand that when leclarc knew there was no chance of holding max back he probably relaxed abit on the ers
You don't ever go light on a track, that's how you get rear-ended, usually drivers aren't known for doing that
@@greengoat5654 yeah but there is a difference between 90% pushing and 100%
Dont you hear the term ( insert driver) isnt pushing?
Im not saying he lifted
Just went on regen for ers or low deployment ers
@@Saad-yk8qp it's possible. Usually that would come into play in the corners though not throwing it around as hard, F1 cars I've heard are a little unstable on the power though so possible
@@greengoat5654 na you not pinning it in the engine all the time if you donât have to
â@@Saad-yk8qpMy man even on quali lap with drs open on both cars the difference is 10/12 km/h, in the race when one has drs and the other doesn't it increases massively, especially considering RedBull gains about 20/25 km/h with DRS. Now sum that with the slip stream that you'd see in an overtaking situation and you can really understand where those numbers are coming from
That thing is quick
Letâs hope that Perez can give us at least some entertainment this season
Edit: OK maybe I cursed him LMAO
Nah
Perez WDC 2023? Unlikely, but we can only hope
Dude I can't believe I found you here, I always used to see you on videos of grunge concerts! I'm even subbed to you for some reason. How have you been?
@@randyxyt5562 Hello there fellow good music enjoyer :)
Max is giving us all the entertainment we need, Checo canât contribute anything useful imho
Asking "how long" implies that they wĂll close that gap. I reckon that they don't. They'll have to battle it out with Ferrari and Aston Martin for 2nd place.
Ferrari is fighting themselves, how would they fight for second?
@@slybunz8057 lmao fr
We need some serious reg changes again
I mean how long doesnât necessarily mean this year, your answer could be in 2 years đ€·ââïž
Definitely not this year, but 5 years? I think the gap will close next year and by 2025 they will have other cars on par with them. But, redbull could also be starting a legendary nearly decade of dominance similar to the Mercedes from 2014-2021.
FIA will introduce new regs by the end of this year:- Merrrc can remove the wing, Ferrarrri can add NOS and RedBull will have to remove any two of their cars wheels ... đđ
đđđ thanks
-and Ferrari is already way ahead of everyone on the 2-3 tyre strategy.
#justiceforsainz
Ferrari will still manage to fuq up their Position..
Ah.... almost makes me nostalgic for the days when Williams would dominate and the FIA would change the rules to help Ferrari and McLaren ....
Just like the fia changed the rules to help out redbull when the mercs were dominating. They should just put all drivers in the exact same car and let the drivers actually race
Maybe next time instead of putting a hole in the side heâll take the wing out to find out
This comment deserve more likes
Russell is quickly beginning to annoy me by becoming a clkne of Toto so fast đ
Clkne??? Am I dumb? Wtf is that
â@AwkwardHandshaking he meant clone
"You've got a problem, change your f*cking car!"
The budget stops you from overhauling the car. These cars are also developed one to two years prior to the season. So we should expect Red Bull to dominate for at least one to two more years. I can barely watch F1 anymore it's so boring.
â@@aoli7313 Yeah it's been so boring watching Schumacher win all the time. Then Sebastian won all the time. Then Hamilton, now Verstappen after all that.
Is F1 ever gonna not have one driver better than the rest.
@@theguywhodoes1 maybe do something similar to what IndyCar does. The chassis is the same for every car, there's only three engine producers, and you can only play around with the rules so much. I'd like to see a race not one person win and we're talking about the midfield and who's going to win 10th.
can horner still said that when merc make DAS??? well they only complaint tho
Just watched that episode last night Lol
5+ years until they close the gap
Just in time for new regulations!
Williams win WC?
â@bassistmike1987 to help mercedes đ đ
Thatâs about how long it took everyone else to catch Mercedes before they changed the refs. 5 years sounds about right
good estimate I reckon
I do think of all the teams theyâre the only ones that could close the gap. For Ferrari they would need to stop being Ferrari and aston has come so far already, I think it will be a while before then. I could see a three-way race though.
You realize that AM is already 2nd for the constructors and Alonso's been on every podium except 1?
@@nerdock4747 yeah thatâs my point. Aston has come incredibly far already so I just see development slowing down. Idk though thatâs the one thing I said that I think might be wrong. I donât think anyone will catch up to RB in time for championship battles, but they may get a few wins. If they do it will be merc or Aston. Only reason I still give it to merc is because lance stroll shouldnât have a driverâs license, let alone a seat in F1
@@joec9178 Youâre right. Mercedes has outscored Ferrari in every race but Azerbaijan. They are 18 points ahead in the constructors championship, only 6 behind the #2 Aston. All of this comes after being out-qualified by Ferrari on a semi-consistent basis, which would be great for Ferrari if they werenât passed by lap 25. Yea, Iâm the one who is delusional.
Additionally, you can always count on Ferrari to screw up every advantage they have with a strategy error or retirement or crash.
If you can name a few legitimately good reasons that can trump all of these other ones and the about 20 others that also exist, other than âoh but Ferrari is #2 look at quali yeah yeah merc sucks Aston doesnât exist,â then maybe I will believe you. But ferrari is still ferrari.
Ferrari has been promising more performance for a long time and has just failed. Merc have hit a wall too, but they at least admit it. Thing is also that their wall is a lot further than Ferrariâs is now.
They wont ever close the gap
That is
@Nes Jo what max winning by 24 seconds i dont think that is closing gap
Mercedes are not able to spend the $430 million a year on the team anymore... Cost cap took their advantage away....
It was found out that Red bulls budget before the cost cap was actually bigger than Mercedes
The top 3 teams all have the same massive budgets.
@@robertknox547 RedBull said that their budget was $200 million at the time that Mercedes was saying that they were spending $430 million... I believe that Alpha Tauri or if was Tauro Rosso was $150 million...
F1 will be closer racing using the f2 car design
Then you basically have f2âŠ
@@ReinOtten with the engine of f1 haha
George must wait until 2026 đđđ
Literally
Or until he ends up joining them. Perez is terrible, heâs definitely getting replaced eventually.
I dont think Mercedes will ever close the gap because in there most dominant years they had a engine advantage which masked the performance of there aero a little bit, but now its more about aero and the engines are all close Mercedes will struggle to get to Red Bulls level of aero performance which has been RBR strength for years now.
They also aren't the most dominant team without unlimited spending. Red Bull has adapted to the cost cap.
That the Merc Diesel is the most Dominant Engine is long gone. These lazy bastards stopped developing the Engine. As long as we are faster then the Frogs everything is fine.
Before they close the gap to whom? Red Bull? Not this season. Unless you mean them getting closer instead of catching RB.
Someone will copy that RBR floor and suspension. Or at least try.
@@RBenjo21 and when they copy rb will have improved elsewhere. If u just copy the top team u will always be a step behind them.
close the gap to McLaren
We'll see a lot of these bold statements through the season until someone catches up to them.
Well I am pretty sure that Mercedes with drs is slower than redbulls normal straight line speed.
@@ibleminen that is true
At this point Georgeâs only hope is taking Sergioâs seat at red bull lol
nah chris horner would never do that anyways, he doesnt need and doesnt want russel
Horner wants Lando - if it was me I would want Russell though.
@@jjharson7344 I think they're equally very good drivers, but Russell is more high maintenance . Ever since he joined Mercedes, he's been complaining about every other driver, every other competitive team and so on. Lando shuts his mouth and does his talking on track.
Mercedes did the exact same thing for seven years straight.
And it was boring as fuck, do you want another 7 years with just another team dominating?
@kashyapmaheshwari6044 I wish I was a Merc fan... I'm a Ferrari fan
â@@saranoxxisthats rough.
@kashyapmaheshwari6044 btw get your acts together it's a show what are you talking about pain in our eyes? The fuck bro
@kashyapmaheshwari6044So you want the same thing to happen again just say that
Max was on DRS and battery, Leclerc turned the ERS to try to fight back.
In 2021 Lando did 350 km/h when using the Battery / DRS for an overtake, his max speed without is was around 320km/h. Nothing crazy with that. The overtake on Russel was more surprising.
The merc was a second a lap quicker than anyone for 6 yearsâŠâŠ
At least there was competition for almost every year. Now there is non.
@@Divinarium1 how was there competition if the merc was a second a lap quicker ? Its the same as now, thats my point
@@jimgriffiths9194 2014-2016 nico vs ham and 2017-2018 ferrari. How was this not competition? Ferrari had a better car than mercedes for a brief time but you forget about that because otherwise your argument could not be taken seriously.
@@jimgriffiths9194 There is no competition now and nowhere even close.
Your main thrust for argument is there is no competition now and im saying that merc had the same advantage for the same amount of time more or less, so why are the fan boys of merc crying ? Itll come back around if they get rid of hamilton and start focusing on racing again instead of politics
Adrian Newey is a genius
Yep...He is. So much so I think it would be fair if he wasn't allowed to work for anybody :)
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 and give everyone a participation ribbon....you must be a millennial
And he is ours... BÀÀÀÀhhhhh McShit, GagaBenz, and AstorMarlin.
Why are they crying ? Mercedes car was faster 2-3 years ago then then redbull is today. The hypocrisy is unbelievable
They don't like losing after easy mode for 4 championships in a row. Our answer: get better engineers and parts. Redbull surely did.
Idk what they expected cause redbull have been coming for a long time and wee could see it
Why are they crying? Cuz they wanted to win like they do in the past.
Other teams can't cry cuz they barely score any wins
At least there was competition for almost every year. Now there is non
@@Divinarium1 You're high. What the fuck was the competition for WDC for 8 years for Mercedes? It was either Hamilton or Rosberg and Rosberg won once. You cry like a b when redbull does it right finally , has a good driver and wins closely in 21, does extremely well in 22 and still has to compete with Charles until the midseason where ferarri strategy and Leclerc crash themselves out and lose poins... They dominate for 1 year...1 year...of a car nobody can catch . 22 would have been closer had ferrari been more reliable and Leclerc less crash prone. They had competition for a part of that season.
And now that they utterly dominate in 23 , for not even a year yet , you cry and cry.....man the entitlement on you guys.... I remember watching during mercedes era dominance when a bloody ferarri or redbull was on the line with a mercedes and it simply couldn't catch up wit the DRS . That thing was keeping ahead like an arrow on the straight until the other driver had to pull back and abort. Where were you to cry about it during those 8 years on social media and every other site?
Now that mercedes messed up their car with the zero side pod concept for a year and a half and ferrari is being ferrari it is somehow a tragedy that deserves everyone to complain about isn't it? They dominated for 8 years and now the fans and Mercedes complain about another team dominating hmm?? What about when Schumacher was still a driver and Ferrari had its nice era of dominance? Or Vettel and his?
The other teams messed up and created piles of shit for cars at some points, like when Leclerc was trying to catch up to midfield with a struggle in Miami to iron out new car parts and now they are catching up to a superior design and finding ways to compensate . Simple as that.
Edit: Remember 2018?? Hamilton lost a wheel at Silverstone and finished with 3. He was so far ahead of his competition he could afford to do a lap on 3 at the range of 100-180km and still bring it home without losing that place for the lap instead of boxing. What competition was there?
He is whining since Mercedes lost their op car as soon as he joined them.
Red bull are cheats in f1 they already got fined for going over the price cap
â@@jamieleemcculloch7486Can you say that without crying please.
Agh, sugar⊠Iâll have to hit them harder next time. Man the torpedoes!
Torpido⊠man Lewis needs a break bring in the Russian torpidođ
They are salty because itâs NOT Mercedes that dominating!!! They had their years now sit back and prepare to get blown out of the water every year until max retires!!!
22. 22 mph. Holy shit
WHAT THE FUCK IS A MPH đȘđșđȘđșđȘđș đŠ đŠ đŠ
â@@matchless98 miles per hour
I look at the Red Bull like this :
Are they soooo much quicker OR, is the rest of the grid soooo frogging slow ? đ€·đ»ââïž
Much quicker, considering the pack is close from the second place going down
I know they have Newey, but something tells me that Red Bull might have another âcatering errorâ after this season. Their car is just sooo incredibly fast. But, then again, Marc has one of the dumbed sidepod designs on the đpaddock and their too stubborn to change it.
Friendly reminder that RB has a 10% penalty from last years tax overspend.
As you were.
Just expecting the FIA to ban the suspension setup RB are using due to fan backlash. It's a matter of time before Toto and Lewis claim that that's their secret and it breaks some rules...
Nothing like the whiny duo whining as usual. Ferrari fan and canât complain abt rb since weâre our biggest enemy. Honestly tho, expecting the whiny duo to whine again and hopefully get kicked outta mercy-please-for-ease team once and for all when their pleas fall on deaf ears finally and they canât produce any results without an era of whining/cheating their way thru so their lack of talent finally gets revealed.
They wonât close this year.
How long? Never
Why arenât you asking if Ferrari will close the gap? That will be Mercedes in 5-7 years. An afterthought. These things come in long waves, so Iâd expect more Red Bull dominance through this era
No Ferrari has a history of underperformance. They may be the most successful team, but I also donât think there is another team on the grid today that has lost more races and championships when they shouldnât be.
You may be right about merc, but you really canât compare anyone to ferrari.
@@JScott-lg4jb Time will tell. They do have a special way of wasting resources.
Ferrari are utterly disorganized....VERY disorganized
How much faster was Merc vs the Ferraris in 2014?
I donât think itâll be Mercedes who will close the gap.
Aston
If anyone ever doubted Newey, the guy literally made an unbeatable car out of an already unbeatable car đ if he was at McLaren Daniel would have never been fired
Have you read his book? It's amazing, makes me honor the legend more and more.
But now he is home and Perezes end is in sight, only beating Yuki. Common Daniel the door is open, go, go, go, rejoin RB but be a good Nr. 2.
â@@GRORGvideotYeah "How to build a car" but I think it lacks pictures.đ€
Until the next rules come into place unfortunately... Or close to it as teams will start focusing more on those new rules... This was just a swap of the top team, but ultimately, is the same as with mercedes: one team clearly on top, 2-3 fighting for be the next best, 2-3 midfield and the last 2 far behind.
GR is just salty bcos his move to mercedes is not as leisurely winning races as he would imagine before signing the contract. Thats all there is to it. Aston has shown that with the right people and right direction , u could close the gap. Alonso always gives a constructive comment when asked the same question. Instead of just saying redbull is too fast or whatever, GR should learn how to keep everyones morale at its highest, like nando. From all the races and interview that GR did since joining mercedes, i doubt he would have the mental capacity to be a multiple WDC. Once, maybe. Multiple, is not even a question.
"like Nando", you clearly didn't see Alonso at Ferrari or McLaren.
George does a bit too much complaining about RB. Just accept that you joined Mercedes a few years too late.
22mph = 35km/hâ€
thank you, stupid imperial system
What the fuck is a mph đȘđșđȘđș đŠ đŠ đŠ
The metric system is just more civilized. The imperial system is for backwards colonies đ
Guys I am for metric system. From Eu. Its better and Imperial system is for long time working whit metric system
35km/h = 3500000 cm/h â€ïž
Redbull Aero all builds up in their rear wing, when their DRS opens ofcourse itâs gonna be a rocket ship
Maybe next season but it might a few races in the next season to tune everything in too
Just the weekly Russell/Hamilton comments against RB to manipulate public opinion and turn them against RB.
So stating they are flippen fast is them manipulating public opinion and turnig against rb?
@@Zero_69420 Yes.
Did Mercedes complain when they had the fastest car for 8 years? Russell has to STFU
He is helping the team
The only way Mercedes can catch up to RB in spite of having a superior engine would be with Adrian Newy on their side.
Lets not forget that the haas actually had the highest top speed in the race. Russell is just a sook
The only thing that stopped Newey in the previous era was having a garbage Renault power plant. Now that they have a competitive Honda power plant there is no way theyâre going to get caught up.
F1 & the FIA seriously need to change the rules to bring back actual competitive racing. These eras where 1 manufacturer & driver endlessly dominate a technical era until the rules are reset is going to kill the sport.
what we have learned cheating pays ... eg budget cap...
I have a feeling that Red Bull is going to be slowed down some day soon as having been an F1 fan for 48 years I can tell you that their overwhelming advance in technology has something that does not add up .
I think their days are numbered and the other teams will not be happy when the truth comes out,
There is a trick and it will fall of the car one day .
God I hope you're right
RB should have done better at coaching Max to not outride the field so much, so consistently, across all tracks. If Max contained his urge to win, then there would be no suspicions around the huge performance advantage. This leads me to think Max is not in on the performance jump. Well done to RB if they managed to hack the speed, aero, reliability combo, etc. The next closest team to make a significant jump in performance has been Aston/Alonso...but not suspiciously enough for it to be questioned.
I think that Aston will be the team to catch up to RB with the new Honda deal.
How long until Mercedes closes the gap? That's easy.... They won't
thats ironic look at em now
this didn't age well
@@RymdTnp the gap still isn't closed... Nice try though
@@Alexwaltman850 âșïž
@@Alexwaltman850 in about 2weeks with james allison merc have reached astons pace and give them a month or two and horner will be sweating
Realistically, can they even catch up? I mean with the cost cap, even with years I don't think they can catch Red Bull in this era unless Red Bull make some sort of mistak in the development. Maybe like putting no side sidepods on their car...
Adrian newey is a freak of nature when it comes to developing aero
I love how these regs were meant to bring the gap closer but it just made everything so boring
Happens ever reg change.. Takes 4-5 years to close the gap and they change the regs again. Merc had a longer stint but it was the same thing
Next year may be they can try to catch.
After summer.
but taking the rear wing would make any car faster on the straights drs open or closed cus its not causing any drag
"close the gap"? Nah not happening. They're gonna fight for 2nd place
They are closing in every car is closing in on the RB but it will. Never be fast enough
As soon as Mercedes find an aerodynamics designer better than the RB Team Designer that they can afford. They will probably make some headway âŠ
There isn't one... ever !
I don't think they will. I think Merc will widen the gap. They can't even play catch up because RB are so far ahead they've already begun work on their 2024 car, putting them even further ahead for next year. I honestly don't think Merc have the brainpower and academic talent in the budget cap era. The reason they dominated previously was because of how many people they had working for them. No expense spared. Now they don't have that luxury, or the technical ability. They're not the same team anymore. I see them as a midfield team soon, and eventually their exit again out of shame and further risk of damaging the brand name. When the mighty fall in F1, they fall hard. I see AM beating Merc by next year, even with only one driver carrying the whole team (Austria was a fluke for Stroll, or Daddy gave him an ultimatum). I think RB, Ferrari and AM will be the next top 3. Merc just don't have what it takes anymore. They're looking more and more like losers. They're the next McLaren and eventually Williams. Prove me wrong, Merc.
the gap won't be closed
Well when toto gets fia to change the rules to suit them
If you are going to use freedom units at least say the metric as well for the rest of us
You canât just âclose that gap,â that speed is absurd comparatively
Can't make a good car and wants to complain about it every single day look back at what Mercedes said back in 2014-2016 when the other teams complained about Mercedes being faster
Mercedes and George need to worry about Aston Martin before they get onto the big boys
They should change their side pod and their floor
I think Red bull made an awesome car, tweaking airflow for the rear wing under the drs wing as at high speeds goes into stall and don't work anymore pushing the air upwards, toegether with the clean air from suspensions, front wings that with elasticity expands under low speeds and contracts under high speeds, highly achieved airflow research for the body, I think the mix is rather interesting. I could easily put this as a masterpiece like Mercedes was in the last years with the older tipology of cars. I think Ferrari concept is really good locally but the concept is not enough researched under complexity or global airflow. Most of the cars on the grid has this issue, all locally genious but under complex parameters fail. It might be a problem with the speed of the wind in the tunnel, or not enough interaction points (that necessits a high performance server to calculate the forces and derivations behaviours, a pretty much time consuming process), data collection history for every single session and so on. I don't think there is any lacking talent design on any of the cars there (except williams steeringwheel that makes me puke) but the incapability to put the things together. I think teams should research for independent figures as head for airflow and design engineers as always when there is a lack of some sort somewhere, there is always someone to citicise, it's already known that under a highly competitive circumstances you always find the best results.
Man you made so many good points I can't help but agree with you on everything.
Canât see anyone closing the gap. Itâll be the next round of fundamental rule changes which will help the rest of the grid close up.
the red bull 2023 car has some masterclass aero on it, so they manage to find even more speed from using their aero. lets face it all the leading teams try to cut budgets so its not like redbull are using nos or have magic extra power, they just mastered aero
As long as RB is still a marketing company it wont happen they always will have the advantage they keep there hands on everything.
Make every component of the car carbon fiber, even the engine, then maybe the zero pod approach will work.
I think they need the give a few changes to the rb19 so itâs entertaining and a bit mor of a challenge for the championship
well yes, because they stall the beam wing and rear borser of te underfloor with the drs
People are overstating how much more effective the RB DRS is than all the others. It's everything about the car that makes is so much faster than everyone else. The whole package is just fine-tuned to perfection with everything about that car working so well together.
If only F1 was a sport where the drivers championship was won and lost on the track, and not on the drawing board back at HQ. It's practically endurance racing in sprint cars as it is.
Every lap should be hammer time, for everyone!
And they did all that without going over the budget cap đ„
i dont know if this is sarcastic if or not - but they did go over the budget cap
Yeah, they did go over đđ
We'll see
I love how the FIA implemented rules for closer racing yet the gap is not even seconds now itâs mph
They were not designed to briÂŽg the cars closer in terms of pace. They were designed to make it easier for drivers to follow each other. So that when you close up behind someone you don't have suddenly dirty air and lose 50% of downforce. Being able to follow more means battles can go from the 1 corner overtake to the multi lap battles that we saw in like bahrain, Saudi, Silverstone,... of last season. Granted, this year wasn't that close at the front but we still got some great battles down in the mid to lower points extending to p20 with battles up and down the grid
Taking the rear wing off will increase speed
They will catch up when schumacher uses his royalties
I mean hope every team could catch up but not this season maybe not even next ill give them 2/œ season
MPH *not* KPH?
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holy crap, Red Bull need to be in their own class.
I think RB is probably a couple of years ahead of every other team.
Who would of guessed at this point that it wouldnt be Mercedes or Aston Martin that closed the gap the most but Mclaren instead by Silverstone! To the point where a Mclaren on Hards could outdrive and out pace a Mercedes on fresh softs.
Ofc it would be quicker on straight, it just wont be as quick on turns lol
some time in the 24 season, i'd say
To be fair Max passes Perez at the same pace
Merc constantly complains about RB, instead they should fix whats wrong with their CAR.
Mercedes can close the gap but Max will still win, its not all the car.
Crickey !!
Mercedes domination is over. Probably there will be another team challenging RB. Like Aston Martin or Ferrari.
Mercedes dominance is long gone RB have taken their spot only ones close to RB are Aston and maybe Ferrari
I donât think Mercedes will catch Red Bull. One of the other teams will be closer to RB than Mercedes.
Mercedes weâre also hitting 340 on the straight.. red bull were 342 maximum
Yet more fake crying and posturing from Mercedes
How can Georgie pudding spell 'Alonso' wrong?
How long I would say by 2030 merc can compete with RB
Same thing how merc and lewis were dominating lol.
All the teams need to be developing for next season, they can't catch up to red bull and if they want to have a prayer next year they need to focus on trying to catch up then.
7 years. The same time it took RB to close the gap to Mercedes. Ferrari almost did it in 2018 and with a better driver probably would have got it done. RB are well ahead of everyone else, no one is catching them until 2026 with the new engines.
better efficiency ERS system ? since you can use it anytime, you know that thing being hidden from us but wasnt before :p
Like Perez going from like 15th to 6th place
When they deploy DRS only its not that big in reality