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Price and size. It's
more for an entry level camera into cinematography. It's hard to make that into a criticism. And I think shutter is just one aspect of something being cinematic. Most people won't even be able to tell the difference with motion blur or the type of shutter used. That's why I feel it is onver thinking it. at least that's my opinion.
I see the FX3 and 30 as great entry cameras or B and C cams.
For me I would use either for run and gun documentaries. Keep it lightweight and simple, good XLR mic, one good lens and ND, a few batteries and a tripod. Fast, lights, and capable of telling a good story.
I can only get US suppliers here in the UK, definitely looks a good solution
By the way, it is not "veritable ND"... its a "variable ND" because you can vary it, not veritable because it is true.
Hi there, looks like the link to the viewfinder is dead. Can you share the brand/model? I'm not sure you say it in the video.
A Zacuto-style external magnifier was for me clumsy and unusable. What Sony needs to do is offer an *orientable*, top-mounted VF similar to those offered by Blackmagic. For the operator, this is an essential capability. Professional cine cameras have orientable viewfinders. The reason is, image quality aside, the viewfinder is the most important element of any camera.
Looks like we're back to 2013 with the magnifiers on the dslrs! :D
Jeven, thanks so much. Great job.
I have to send my a7s3 back as I have problems with the sensor , (something was on it , a very tiny dot that just would not go away, only can see it at f14-22).
I really always wanted a FX3 But the EVF was a dealbreaker, therefore I chose the A7S3. However now, that dang new firmware is out for FX3, and looks so fantastic.......arrgghh
having used the a7s3 the past 3weeks in SoCal, I too really need an evf. But your video may have sold me back on the fx3. I have seen other videos on this viewfinder but your has been the only one where you are actually using it in the environment where it will be used. All others show it in their studio.
Your video specifically showed 2 CRITICAL things.
1) how quickly you can put the thing on & off, very cool. And how you attached it with the fx3 screen CLOSED. no one showed this. Why would I open the screen and attach it? Thanks for showing that.
2) Outside I wear a hat. With the a7s3 , the past 3weeks I have been constantly bumping my hat when looking thru the evf. I have to remember to flip my hat around, and then my sunglasses fall off the back, especially in the wind etc....but you have a sideways shot that shows how your hat never even comes close to touching the fx3 body....I'm sold.
Thank you again for taking the time to make this video!
I’m surprised Sony didn’t make an optional EVF that connects to the pens that the audio handle connects to so that you could have an option of better audio or EVF capability.
Would be cool. Don’t think they’ll do it though.
@@JevenDovey they used to make one for the RX1 cameras (FDA-EV1MK).
If enough people ask they will make one again and it would be certainly good to have the option for the FX3, FX30, ZV-E1
9:39 sign Phillip Bloom‘s petition for Sony to produce an external viewfinder. They used to have one
Also getting this. Any particular reason you’re getting the FX30 instead of the FX3? I’m drawn to the idea of having smaller and lighter lenses.
Won't a cheap and thin LCD sunshade hood solve the dim LCD issue?
Thanks, but i couldn't find the exact item(EVF) on the Amazon link you shared. I was wondering guiding me which one to choose from the Amazon link as I have the same problem with my FX3. Thanks a billion
I'm hoping for an FX 60. Same form factor, but smaller. I miss having something like an 8mm camera when it comes to handling.
I think you are being too critical. There are compromises with different cameras. If you want true professional video, use a FX6. If you want a great hybrid camera, use a A7IV. The FX 30 an FX 3 have their place but Sony is not going to include all those other features in these cameras.
Nah. Its a cinema camera. There is things like Shutter Angle that should be included that you'll find on every other cinema camera...
@@JevenDovey exactly. It’s a cinema camera.
If it is going to the sold as a cinema camera then it should judged as such. Especially if the fixes are simple fixes
It could easily be the best hybrid mirrorless apsc camera with proper photo features and an evf .... I'm kinda sad
@@JevenDovey Preaching boss!
@@JevenDovey Totally agree I can easily skip the ND Filter but not the lack of Shutter Angle since is suppose to be a camera dedicated to film not to photograph.
This looks just what I need. It's also part of what's stopping me moving from a Nikon hybrid to the Sony FX30. I'd worry about looking silly holding that up to my eye, but that's just me, I'm super self-conscious at the best of times! Thanks Jeven.
Do you have a link for the viewfinder? Thanks!
I understand this and I’ve shot outdoors and indoors and never used an ND filter.
Excellent video. Thanks for the link to the strap on viewfinder. I bought it while watching your video. Cheers.
The link seems to have vanished for the viewfinder. Any idea on where it can be found now?
Thanks for the viewfinder tip. Unfortunately the link provided shows a page not found error.
I am surprised that Sony didnt make an EVF that fits on the hotshoe so you can add it if you want to
For $1800 there’s not a lot to complain about this camera. It’s not an FX6 or other cinema camera that costs thousands more. It is actually just a hybrid camera geared more towards video that they put a Cinema badge on it.
It’s $4000 if you get the FX3 which is the same camera but different sensor. This is labeled as a cinema camera so it needs to have features you expect from a cinema camera
I’m having nothing but probs with my FX3. The flippy screen came loose and it powers off (then back on) at random. It’s been a complete lemon.
How long did you have it before it started getting like that? Just curious!
@@stevenkralovec The flippy screen came loose after 10 shoots. The 'power off / power on (randomized reboots)' issues took place after 1 year of use (maybe 20 shoots). I had both items fixed for $1300. They said they had to replace the entire motherboard + HDMI port + adjust flippy screen.
Wow, that viewfinder is genius! Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
So they can’t fit an nd filter in an FX3 but Ricoh can fit an nd filter in a GR3 which is a tiny pocket camera.
Different tech probably. The ND in the FX6 is really good. Must need a bigger unit inside to make it function.
Ok Jeven, I purchased the viewfinder and NO it will not work unless you modify the straps, if you advertise for this viewfinder please let people know that the straps will have to be longer and you have to modify them. The straps that come with this viewfinder are way to strong and short to go around the FX3 and FX30
Maybe the straps were changed. It came with 2 sets of straps and one fit perfectly on my camera
I couldn't find the EVF( Straped one) on amazon link. Would you send me the exact link?
Just got one and works like a charm. Was about to ask about why your rubber bands were so much longer than what it came with then saw the longer pair curled/hidden with the nylon strap. Thanks!!
The messed up part about shutter angle with Sony is that they put in in their phone cameras. Or at least on my Sony Xperia 1 iii. It's awesome. I feel like if should be easy to add to the cameras with firmware.
I don’t get it. How hard is it to change your shutter speed? Why not just use custom presets for your different shooting rates?
@@JeffBourke Does the FX30 have shutter angles settings ? my understanding was the it didn't have it while being part of Sony's cinema line, which would admittedly be an odd omission.
@@maui_lou it doesn’t have shutter angle and it’s a complete non issue. You just change the shutter speed. It’s not hard. For anyone who has actually used the camera, the biggest problem is that you can’t whitebalance off a grey card when you’re using your saved settings.
@@JeffBourke I'm not sure what riled you up so much about it. Having an option to set shutter angles would make sense, it can save you time, you can check at a glance that you are at 180. No one said it was hard, but that's a pro camera, some people want it practical. Also no need to bring your high horses to the discussion, let them roam freely.
@@maui_lou sorry! I’m not mad. I just think it’s a high horse thing to pick on as it makes no difference. The FX30 has more, real problems that actually make a doffer to how you use it. Example, if you use a display LUT in log, the histogram changes! Annoying AF!
Following your video, I bought the product. It's good . The only flaw for me is that I use spectacles . I have to remove them when viewing through the product as I cannot focus properly . A diopter would have made my life easier.
Just got the FX30 and gearing up for a sports shoot this weekend....I made the mistake of buying one of the viewfinders from the other well know guy and the first time I tried it I was like? one hand on the loupe and one hand taking a shot....made no sense...I am rigged with with rubber bands but will probably purchase the version you recommended.
Looks like a great product for that camera! Have you checked out the ”sunny weather” in the monitor settings? That helped me out a bit out in the sun when using the A7SIII. But the L.A. sun is probably a bit stronger then the Swedish one😅.. Well it is the same sun.. But you know what I am saying😂
Yup the [Sunny Weather Mode] makes the screen roughly 2000 NITS.
Brilliant product love the content
Thanks so much Jeven! 💛🙏🏽
Which lens are you using?
Super video! Thanks for share! I was wonder about Fx 3 and Fx 30 how good they are👍😆👍
The biggest problem with those viewfinders and their magnifying lenses are severe burn-ins on your LCD. Trust me, you will get them one sunny day.
any one know what lense is on the fx30 at the intro
What lens or would you recommend for documentary work? Great content
Evf link do not work, cant find the same Product. Do you know where to find it?
Great tip, Jeven. I've got my loupe and it's working great. But how long before those little rubber bands give out? Somebody needs to knock them out by the dozen as replacement parts. I just know one of these is going to snap when I'm in the middle of nowhere!
Excellent suggestion on the viewfinder. I had the same exact problem.
9:18 - Have you used [Sunny Weather Mode] to allow the screen to be viewable in direct sunlight?
thanks bro- always a saver
Hi,in photography i will have some artifacs becouse only have electronic shutter? i like a7iv but readed overheating issues. thanks!
Great video! Thanks for the link to the strap on viewfinder. I bought it while watching your video. :)
Thank you for this review. I just got my new FX3 and converted from canon. I had my Zacuto loupe on that rig. Was looking for a review for that combo on the FX3 but don't see any so far. I placed an order for this kit you review from your link I hope you get the credit. Have you considered the Zacuto eye piece? Its heave duty but also over $300 and it needs the plate under the cam to work. I was concerned it may get in the way in a hurry as I am a run and gun event shooter. Anyone?
I cannot find the product! 3(
Ive not seen the bungees before but have been using the magnetic ones to good effect for 8+ years on those early compacts and mirrorless bodies.They dont butt up snuggly like this one.
I loved the part where you showed what it looks like when viewing it.
What is the problem of camera
Thanks for the video! The link won’t work, which view finder is it ?
hi I have been looking for a good text pack a long time and I just can't find it and I have seen a lot of your final cut pro x tutorials an you're obviously a professional. So do you know like a good cheap text pack with glow/neon type of texts?
Well, for the viewfinder lack problem of the fx3 in my case I using a monitor with 2500 nits in outdoor and problem solved but thd fx3 without variable nd filter is something annoying, I use Peter McKinnon ND filters but is not same, the colors and banding is definitely showing in the footages by fault for the ND filters front in the lens 🙄 I love my variable internal nd filter of my fx6 and fs7 is another thing has the ND behind the lens. Great video master.
Where is the affiliate link for the viewfinder? I definitely want to support.
Bro, that’s not a cinema camera. And shutter speed or angle in that camera it’s the same: electronic. The last real shutter angle camera I touched was the Alexa Studio.
I understand all your frustration. But it’s a 5000$ mirrorless they call cinema.
Is that it?
Kippertie do a very nice variable ND (Revolva). Expensive and only for cine lenses with PL mounts
So how is it you think putting a filter behind your lens rather than in front will prevent it from effecting colors? It's still in the path.
I never said it wouldn't. I was merely just showing the two options available because we wont get internal ND in these cameras anytime soon
it did seem like you said something along those lines but maybe you didn't... @@JevenDovey
Lol first part of the video had me worried since I pre-ordered the FX30 and am planning to use it during mountaineering trips. Good find on the viewfinder
Will be super useful for mountaineering. Looking forward to taking one on my next trip!
I think they could put an ND filter in the fx3/30 as my rx100 has it and that has a tiny body. May have to sacrifice ibis, but might be worth it.
good luck with touch tracking when using this, better use a phone with a bright screen and the new Monitor & Control app (you can even use it connected via usb-c without lag)
I use the zacuto z-finder for my Nikons. It’s much more secure than the loops.
I can't find this viewfinder on Amazon.
This is a dumb question I suspect. I have an FX3 and I have full frame GMaster lenses. Can I use those lenses on the FX30? Are there any drawbacks?
Just a crop factor of 1.5x times, but otherwise they will work perfectly
So many complain why fx3 dont hve built in ND if u want to solve the problem buy FX6 instead coz if sony make FX3 with built in ND the price become much expensive and the size become much more bigger
This is awesome! I had no idea this existed! Thanks!
It's not a problem to not have an evf on a cinema camera it's just a problem for your usage. And I definitely understand that just preface it that it's a solve everything for uses but it I'll be for others.
The best day would be when a Sony camera (cinema or hybrid) comes out and has shutter angle, IBIS, built-in ND, has a viewfinder, a larger-brighter screen, and has S-log 4 🙏 Yes, it’ll be $6,000, but it will be everyone’s dream camera. We all know this will never happen because of business politics. Sony will never make the perfect camera because they want everyone to upgrade or need more than one camera to feel “whole”. If they make everyone’s requests in 1 camera, then nobody ever needs to upgrade or hope for more…. 😢
Good high level review - thanks. Interesting idea about using a loup but as a wildlife shooter I'd need something like the Kameleon on this camera.
What do you think Sony will add to the fx30 with firmware updates? Do you think Sony will make their own external evf to add to the hotshoe?
No I don’t think they will. For updates they might add shutter angle someday…. Would love to see waveforms and falsie color too
Good work! You’ve given us countless hours of dedication and I appreciate all the useful information.
Hey Jeven ! Big fan of your content and you channel ! Awesome video as always ! Slightly new to cameras and stuff myself. I have a question. Having observed cameras since the past few months I've found that besides the crop factor and all that stuff the main and the most important different between full frame and APS-C cameras is the light coming into the image and hence the image quality. This is pretty much what is happening in this case between the FX3 and FX30 from what I can observe. Both are feature wise the same but the image in FX30 is, inherently, noticeably darker and and hence the overall quality of the footage. Is there a way to tweak this in APS-Cs and get an image quality close to that of the full frames by doing some changes in post etc. Would look forward to your reply on this ! If there is something that can be done about it I would request you to please make a video on it. Thanks again Bro ! Big fan !
For anyone thats ever had a camera with no view finder, the frustration is real. And forget manual focus without a view finder.
LOL this was a long video to get to talking about the View finder
For color shift/cast in ND filters I wonder if auto white balance would help.
In my experience AWB almost always leaves me with some casting on an a6500. I’ve now moved to just taking the extra moment to set the white balance using the set tool. I do this by pre dialing in my ND and then do a white balance set. (With memory modes though this is more complicated) then I’ll do a quick shot of my color checker as a baseline for grading and call it good. All in all it’s less than 5 min worth the work to get a better result than AWB. Now if lighting changes a ton I might do it again but for my uses I don’t have that problem often
You, know this is just not good advice at all concerning that loupe on the screen. I owned the same one and tried it out. It is not SHARP, don’t buy it. And secondly how to do you do focus tracking with this on? You can’t. And you wreck one of the greatest features of this camera. Just pure nonsense. Get the LEYE Portkeys viewfinder. It’s sharp, gives you waveform, false colour, Luts etc, and is really sharp, plus has a diopter to dial in to the characteristics of your eye. And it does not block the touch LCD when mounted on a SmallRig half cage with its short 15mm rod. Or you can mount if at the back of the SmallRig FX3 handle extension using a small nato quick release double ball also from SmallRig.
Nice to have it SONY FX3 soon, very cool.
Wow
I think you deserve an award
it reminds my trusty loupe..checking chrome slides on lightbox..
Anyone know what tripod they're using it
i knew about view finder long time ago but its good you pointed it out
Sony is calling this a cinema camera. But it does not have built in ND…….
For out door I must have viewfinder.
If you add cheap hood how do you use touch lcd to make changes?
For indoor events it looks like a great camera at that price point.
Cinema does not mean built in ND. This camera is geared towards video shooters so thats why its part of the cinema line.
@@JevenDovey they always complain about "ND" but the question is do u think they are willing to pay more if they make compact cinema camera built in ND hahaha
They have camcoders for your needs.
Sensors are too small on camcorders.
@@JevenDovey Drones even have samller sensors, buy you dont complaint...Ask your boyfriend
I bought this viewfinder and the straps are not nearly as long as what you are showing on video. I think I just spent money on something I cant use now haha.
Sony should make an S1H/S5 with great autofocus. The fx30 should be the GH6 with AF
Hey Jeven, another interesting and informative video - I learn a lot from your vids! Quick question, what settings do you roughly use when filming videos like this? I film outdoors a lot and always struggle filming in bright sunlight using my Sony A6400 + Sigma 16mm. It looks like you're shooting in similar scenarios and your results are amazing - do you reckon the main difference is just full frame vs APS-C? Or is there some trick settings I'm missing? (I use a variable ND) Any help greatly appreciated. :)
I use Variable ND for shallow DOF. Aperture wide open. Shutter Speed double frame rate. Lower ISO for cleaner footage. Film in SLOG 3 Cine Gamma. Aim to overexpose from 1.3-1.7. Grade with one of my LUTs thats built for SLOG.
@@JevenDovey Really appreciate the reply, thank you! I've been using Sony's default PP so will try SLOG 3 and check out your LUTs. Overexposing is super interesting, will have to experiment with that too, traditionally I've always tried to underexpose thinking it was easier to bump up exposure in post rather than lowering but keen to give that a shot instead. Thanks again.
Such a long video for a $30 accessory. This could have easily been a four minute video.
Could have but I had other points I wanted to talk about. The viewfinder was just one aspect.
Why not update the viewfinder link since it’s broken. Or say the name of the viewfinder in the video. You’re being vague with your solution. Wasting time watching this long video
So how to fix ND issue?
Use a variable nd filter
3:40 to start talking about it...
Hello, thanks for the video. I want to buy that viewfinder but the link does not take me to the product, can you tell me where I can get it? Thank you
Weird I just checked and it works for me
Thanks, but unfortunately in the link I cant see the view Finder with the rubber, the one you use in the video. The link does get to Amazon but I cant see the one with the rubber. Thanks again
The viewfinder is the: Kamerar CVF-1 Collapsible LCD Viewfinder. Thats what the link should go to in my description
Thank for this video.
woo hoo! thanks!
Great find on the viewfinder! Will pick one up. I also use a screen hood from smallrig to keep the sun out. Easy to put on and off as well.
Yeah I have one of those as well. I think both will be useful
Hey there, what is model/ name of viewfinder? Thanks!
dont waste your time the bungy straps he advertises are not the ones that come with this viewfinder. I returned mine as it will not work with the sony fx3 or fx30
So what's the solution to ND problems ?
I explained 2 of them.
Convoluted…
Hey, what’s the brand please?
Link in description
@@JevenDovey
For some reason, I couldn't pull it out on the app. All good thanks!
It's like we're back in the 5DII/7D days, with people working around the optical viewfinder not working for video. Except now we have had all the needed technology (mirrorless design with an EVF) for years, and Sony has just purposely left it out of the camera.
This is why the FX3 has never seemed worth it to me over the A7sIII- for the same money you can get the A7sIII + the hotshoe XLR brick, and you end up with the same capabilities WITH an EVF and a real mechanical shutter for photos.
It'll be interesting to see how Sony handicaps the FX30's "hybrid" sibling (A7000?) to try to protect the "real" cinema cams. The A7sIII's only limitation for photography is its low pixel count, while the FX30 sensor is a perfectly fine 26MP. If Sony isn't careful to handicap the A7000 somehow, it could outshine the A74 and even the A1 in some ways, as a hybrid (ignoring sensor size of course).
Oh, and as for the loupe- a much better option than the strap mount would be one of the LCDVF clones, which have a thin metal frame that mounts to the screen and then the loupe simply magnets on to that. No messing with straps, and you can use it with the screen flipped out to give yourself a tilting EVF. I did this on my 60D back in the day and it worked fairly well.
well said, "same as the FX3, just with different sensor". it's a 26mp stills optimized sensor with slow readout, 1.04x cropped 4K put in cine package for $1800.
considering the a6600 is $1400, the forthcoming a7000? could go for $1600-1800 and get a real EVF and mechanical shutter. then again sony might handicap it by limiting it to 4k30p
so many people are fooled by the "cine" packaging, maybe sony can put a 1 inch sensor in that bulky fx3 body call it FX300, and people will still rave how it's a game changer.
Been looking for a magnet one to test. I do like the bungees because if I'm shooting an adventure project its going to stay on when I bump it.
Why so negative? Sony are doing awesome stuff now. Almost no reason to complain, no?
@@DjimmyTrovy I'm just being realistic about the product planning Sony seems to be implementing. They've had all the pieces needed to give us an uncompromised hybrid camera (at least uncompromised within the boundaries of a photo-camera form factor, aka no NDs) for years now, and yet they still never give the whole package. They are checking off each user case except the one that will be the most useful to the largest number of people, because once people have that, they won't need to keep chasing a new camera model every year.
The missing internal ND Filter is why I'm not getting this one. Otherwise it's awesome! BTW: It's NOT a size issue. Maybe a variable ND with 5 steps or so wouldn't fit. But I had a small Lumix once, which had 2 (I guess it was 2) steps of internal ND. Also, the Sony ZV-1 has one built-in. Just one step or two internally, that's MUCH better than nothing. Sony just doesn't want to add an internal ND filter, because they still want people buy their bigger cameras. :)
Also it doesn't combine with IBIS well, which is why the FX6 and FX9 don't have IBIS. Since the body style of the FX3/30 is basically identical to the A7 line, it was a less engineering cost for sony. I guess they use a lot of the exact same internals than an A7ii/iii/Siii/iv and therefore have a higher margin or would need to make the cameras more expensive and sell fewer... But IBIS will die. Soon no video focused cameras will have IBIS anymore. Software takes over.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to just get the a7siii if want the viewfinder?
It’s build in and you don’t have to take that big old plastic viewfinder with you. You probably get all kinds ok color shifts with that thing.
Sure…
You do understand why most of us are looking to buy the FX30 and not the a7s iii / fx3, right?
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM I’m talking about the viewfinder. Does the fx30 have a viewfinder?
And why would you compare the fx30 with the a7siii? They are different sensorsizes.
You would compare it with the fx3.
@@The_Daliban Your question was: "Wouldn’t it make more sense to just get the a7siii if want the viewfinder?"...
Answer... you are talking DIFFERENT LEAGUES of cameras...
Only league being: PRICE.
You can not compar the a7s iii with the FX 30.
Duuuh... Exactly my point!
You either compare it to the FX 3 or don't.
Cheers.
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM it’s literally in the title of the video my dude, why are you being so smug?
I never compared the fx30 to the a7siii, they did.
Don’t be a baby about shuttle angle. Yes it should have it but the camera achieves the look the same wether it’s 180• or 1/48 @24fps but it is an annoyance cuz Sony just has to change the 1/48 to say 180•
Thank you for that! 😃👍
I don't see why Sony doesn't make an external EVF that plugs into the HDMI port. That is what Sigma did with the Sigma FP.
I m watching this video with the hope that may be after 1-2 years, i will be able buy it..😂
To skip to the biggest problem go to 8:46.