HSL: Tetrarch Dammek, Thief of Blood

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • / optimisticduelist
    Tetrarch Dammek is already one of Hiveswap’s most controversial characters, and he hasn’t even said a word yet. Lets see what we can learn about him using Classpects as a lens, and in the process explore how, and why, Alternia became the hellworld Joey comes to know.
    I know I’ve been rather soft on him here, but let’s be clear: Dammek still really sucks for Xefros. Here’s hoping Xefros will learn to stand up for himself and Dammek will learn to treat his friends better during this adventure!
    Today’s question: Do you think trolls who commit cruel deeds like Dammek, Trizza, Ardata and Zebruh are completely damned, even if they could never freely choose to be better?
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Komentáře • 224

  • @crowstreaming
    @crowstreaming Před 6 lety +785

    If Dammek doesn’t T-pose throughout the entirety of of Hauntswitch I will be disappointed.

    • @The_Endless_Now
      @The_Endless_Now Před 6 lety +73

      I'm all for that. It would probably decrease the development time for the first Hauntswitch act by about 7 months.

    • @rep1600
      @rep1600 Před 6 lety +46

      7 years*

    • @sargeantBones
      @sargeantBones Před 6 lety +27

      7 eons

    • @SlimeBeast-xp7xf
      @SlimeBeast-xp7xf Před 6 lety +15

      Or at least just as an attack

    • @danoxley7719
      @danoxley7719 Před 5 lety +3

      My only hope for Hauntswitch

  • @sebastianhagert7130
    @sebastianhagert7130 Před 6 lety +389

    wait a second
    the summoner a breath player, during his rebellion against the highbloods used the sign of the sufferer as their symbol, and it was clear that he was trying to follow in the footsteps of the sufferer a blood player
    now dammek a blood player is most likely following in the footsteps of the summoner
    holy shit!

    • @jadesapphira4325
      @jadesapphira4325 Před 5 lety +39

      And as a rogue, the summoner stole the sufferer for everyone, does the thief of blood want to steal it for himself?

    • @twinkiesmaster69
      @twinkiesmaster69 Před 4 lety +3

      Jade Sapphira he wants to be famous

  • @shadokwastaken
    @shadokwastaken Před 6 lety +187

    Dammek, asserting his dominance since 2015

  • @garnetcookley2012
    @garnetcookley2012 Před 6 lety +149

    11:46 I like how you have to describe the horrible things the other characters did, but Vriska is just Vriska.

  • @celestialVocalist
    @celestialVocalist Před 6 lety +268

    Very insightful look into Dammek's actions! He shares many traits with other Thieves in the series, such as how he treats Xefros being similar to how Vriska treated Tavros or how Meenah controlled her team. This doesn't make them necessarily evil or bad, but it means that they need some time and care to help them develop into better people for the benefit of their friends and themselves. It's going to take these trolls a lot of time to find out their true selves in a world and culture that tries to prevent that and deliberately makes their lives miserable all because of a demon who wants nothing more than to conquer and destroy.

  • @stellatedhexahedron6985
    @stellatedhexahedron6985 Před 6 lety +86

    I think when Xefros said he "had a boy he liked", he was referring to the fact that he was in a relationship with Dammek.

  • @Olivehater
    @Olivehater Před 6 lety +71

    I was tricked by the Dammek meme into thinking this was gonna be funny, but now I feel so sad about these fictional aliens

  • @ssft4490
    @ssft4490 Před 6 lety +98

    i honestly thought he´d be more of a bard so it would make sence that he ghosted breath and rebelled against troll society since he would be *destroying* troll society as it is and attempt to change it to a better place for lowbloods, such fitting the passive destroyer alignment, also he could also be connected to the bard archetype since he also writes music, which, can sound a bit off but if we look at both of the canon bard´s in homestuck (gamzee and cronus) they were also linked to music making on their interests, gamzee and his raps and cronus with his "romantic" songs.
    but- i can also see your points to why a thief could fit and im really pleased with your points, so i cant wait for more information to see what he really is.

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +32

      Yep! This is all subject to change if new information changes things later-I'm operating on the presumption that Classpects are A) Clearly signposted in the text of Act 1, and B) Mostly provided so we can better understand the characterization of the characters.
      My main stumbling block on Dammek as a Prince/Bard is that those classes have always come with references to royalty and aristocracy, which Dammek doesn't really seem to have anywhere in his text. I also haven't seen him linked to the key verb "Destroy" or variations like "break" in the text, though I could definitely be missing stuff.
      It's entirely possible the entire framework for how I approach classes is wrong, though--which I'd find pretty exciting since in my experience when I've got stuff about Homestuck/Hiveswap wrong, its because WP was thinking of something better. So time will tell! :D Thanks for your thoughts!

    • @alephnull8463
      @alephnull8463 Před 6 lety +17

      homestuck's take on rpg classes is so atypical that bards being connected to music is considered a stretch. god i urironically love how homestuck analysis warps your brain.

  • @noodleman_eric
    @noodleman_eric Před 6 lety +283

    oh gog hes t-posing

    • @theCreature773
      @theCreature773 Před 6 lety +10

      Noodlescript.....
      Look
      😐
      🤛----------|---------🤜
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      |
      /\
      | |
      | |
      | |
      👟👟

    • @deactivated399
      @deactivated399 Před 5 lety +2

      @@theCreature773
      Me before I clicked "Read more": 😃
      Me after I clicked "Read more": ☠️

  • @Gabriel-qh4yx
    @Gabriel-qh4yx Před 6 lety +137

    Reminders:
    Since Equius is an Heir of Void.
    Heirs can turn into their aspect.
    Pumpkins are part of the void aspect.
    OD, this may be the most important subject in Homestuck. You have to make a video on this.

    • @centaursapocalypse7259
      @centaursapocalypse7259 Před 6 lety +46

      Equius was always a pumpkin. Plot twist.

    • @nerdorama009
      @nerdorama009 Před 6 lety +41

      Equius's soul is part of Lord English via Arquiusprite.
      Caliborn expresses a violent hatred of Pumpkins.
      Equius, as a pumpkin being fused into Lord English became his Achilles Heel and made his defeat possible?
      Side note, I was always disappointed LE wasn't defeated by lobbing a pumpkin at him Super Mario Bros. 2 style. Maybe in the epilogue...

    • @thefreelancequeen
      @thefreelancequeen Před 6 lety +8

      lmao the epilogue good one

    • @literallyn01imp0rtant
      @literallyn01imp0rtant Před 6 lety +16

      The Virgin Pickle Rick vs the Chad Pumpkin Equius

    • @blairblue6769
      @blairblue6769 Před 5 lety +1

      PorkyTheKing lol it was confirmed get fucked

  • @rylieclothier
    @rylieclothier Před 4 lety +12

    The line of dialogue about Xefros acting out scenes his favorite movies "which just so happen to be HIS favorite action movies too!" has often been taken to mean Xefros has been pushed to liking them by Dammeck, but what if Dammek only likes them because of Xefros? Just a thought.

  • @somegirl4260
    @somegirl4260 Před 6 lety +29

    As a page myself I can conclude that we always end up with a thief in our lives. For better or for worse.

    • @MaverickTsuki
      @MaverickTsuki Před 6 lety +3

      I might be not a thief, but as a rogue myself pages have some weird relevance on my life choices. Luckily they were benefical so far.

  • @chrysalismacosmist165
    @chrysalismacosmist165 Před 6 lety +132

    *DAMN IT LORD ENGLISH* DAMN IT ALL!!!
    This is deep and hella sad!

  • @florianricquart4114
    @florianricquart4114 Před 6 lety +29

    Your little infobox about the trolls' sign Aspect and sign caste's Aspect made me understand something interesting : On a Discord server (sadly for you guys, it's a French one), some people like to give a Classpect to multiple things based on their personnality. And the Hiveswap's trolls are no exception. They wait for the Friendsim to start discussing the characters in it, as they would have more points. But they have a hard time with Tagora and Vikare. And it's mainly because they don't understand WHY do these characters have the Aspect they have. But what if it's because the trolls have spent too much time trying to act like the True Signs ?

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +8

      Yes, Mind does seem to be manifesting as a predisposition towards pretending to be something you're not--putting thought into how you present yourself to others, so to speak. Tagora's connected to it by blood and trade, but he's able to play the role well enough to leverage it to maintain his real passions--the interior decor and skin care stuff.
      Vikare, on the other hand, seems drawn to lying about his true feelings out of desperate instinct. It's just how he handles the pressure of Alternia, apparently. It's made them harder to understand I think, but its also interesting, especially since I've traditionally struggled with understanding Mind. Feels like I'm slowly getting more of a feel for it.

  • @cosmiccove1272
    @cosmiccove1272 Před 6 lety +45

    Finally, someone who doesn't bash this boy for being mean, manipulative, or abusive. I love him so much, you don't know how much it means to me to hear what I've been trying to tell people about him. Sure, what Dammek does is unacceptable on Earth, but on Alternia, he is actually being quite over-protective.

    • @johnathanegbert9277
      @johnathanegbert9277 Před rokem +2

      His moirailagence is unhealthy, kinda like Gamzee's and Terezi's kismessitude after some point (its supposed to be about bettering yourself through mutual hatred, not abuse, and moirails are supposed to stabilize eachother, not only take)

  • @nerdorama009
    @nerdorama009 Před 6 lety +43

    Nice loop on Jude, I can see Joey's head popping into frame a couple times a second.
    I 100% agree with analysis, although I also considered Prince a strong possibility, since as a rebel he is also about breaking down social constructs and rules, and both Princes and Thieves are very Active Classes with a bias toward exploiting others even if they don't want or mean to. And on that theme, I'm not surprised a lot of this was dedicated to explaining Dammek's viewpoint, since you're also a big Dirk fan.
    Ahaha, nice Gem cameo too. I was just thinking to myself earlier "wait, Gems and Trolls are the same people with different aesthetics, aren't they? Aliens with cool designs whose quirky personalities and superpowers belie their society's horrifying totalitarian caste system and murderous expansionism."
    So...this is another case where your Roleplay Theory overlaps Dahni's Inversion Theory, yes? As according to her, a Knight of Breath would be the opposite of a Thief of Blood. That's very interesting to me, especially when you also consider your theory that Trolls are societally biased toward the Aspect of their caste's "True Sign" - as a Bronzeblood, for Dammek, that would be Breath, same as the Summoner (and Tavros, can't forget the actual best and most charming leader in Homestuck canon).
    "A former highblood supremacist, a teen bully & alternate version of the LITERAL anti-christ, and Vriska". As a Vriska fan, this is the greatest sentence I have ever read.
    But yeah, your thesis here is absolutely right. All of these people are victims of a society that is specifically constructed to exploit them, and worse, the Hiveswap trolls are all (in the view of this society) expendable chaff that exist solely to make the existence of Doc Scratch's 12 destined suckers possible. They're *literally children*, and they're all in desperate and oppressive situations, even the ones higher on the hemospectrum. They're not always going to do the right thing, or the smart thing. If people don't realize that after reading Homestuck...hoo boy.
    Good job, you've got me super excited for Act 2 *and* Hauntswitch. Hopefully they come out some time before I die.

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +6

      My understanding is that Dahni considers Page the passive class, and Knight the active, unless that changed recently. So she'd see Page as the Thief's "inversion", if I'm right? And the Aspect/Blood Caste bias theory isn't actually mine, to be clear--Wakraya.tumblr.com was the first to notice it, I just happen to agree.
      I did initially consider Prince or Bard a strong possibility, and that hasn't entirely left me yet. But if I'm going by Archetype associations, Dammek has several outlaw ones and none linked to Royalty or aristocracy, so it tips me a certain way. Haven't seen him linked to the verb "destroy" in any notable ways quite like I've seen "take", either.
      But we agree completely on what matters--Alternia sucks, Vriska is an experience unto herself, and Act 2 will be awesome when it eventually comes out. Thanks for the comment! :B

    • @nerdorama009
      @nerdorama009 Před 6 lety +6

      Oh yeah, getting my theorists mixed up a bit. Anyway, I like Roleplaying a fair bit more than Inversion largely because it's more flexible, and Homestuck is all about flexibility.
      And yeah, going off of text clues, I have a hard time pointing to anything other than Thief for Dammek. I originally twigged onto Prince because the way he handles his main personal relationship and his job as a leader seemed similar to early Dirk (slash AR), but it's also very similar to Vriska's thing with Tavros. I also figured that Blood as representative of order and social structure meant that a rebel would Destroy it. However, it makes just as much sense for him to Steal it, especially, now that I think about it, since he's subconsciously or not taking advantage of his rebellion to put himself in a position of power in a *new* social hierarchy (currently just him and Xefros).
      Yeah between the video and talking through it, I'm convinced.
      I was also considering Thief of Blood for Trizza, but honestly, she pretty much has to be an Heir at this point, doesn't she? Barring future evidence.

    • @johnathanegbert9277
      @johnathanegbert9277 Před rokem

      "My friends!
      And Zoidberg" moment.

  • @thatguyonyoutube2063
    @thatguyonyoutube2063 Před 6 lety +54

    Just saying, love the T-pose demmek in the thumbnail

  • @Breathknight612
    @Breathknight612 Před 3 lety +4

    So regarding the classpects, I had reason to believe there were a different algorithm to the inverses. For examle, pre-retcon Vriska seemed to inverse into a Page of Void. Makes sense considering how post-retcon Vriska was so disgusted by her.

  • @johnkimura5585
    @johnkimura5585 Před 6 lety +24

    Wasn't Alternia designed by the Beforus trolls to be harsh and terrible to prepare them better for Sburb? Or is that like, another grand manipulation by Doc Scratch?

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +28

      Good question! The Beforus trolls only Scratched their session, since they couldn't win theirs. Echidna (the mother of monsters) told them the next world, Alternia, would give them a better chance at winning, and that promise was fulfilled through Doc Scratch, who became the troll homeworld's first guardian (he wasn't on Beforus), and guided trolls to be more violent and combative, thus making the Beta trolls the general badasses they are.

  • @phoenixbelcher7831
    @phoenixbelcher7831 Před 6 lety +8

    I've also seen theories about how dammek may not even be a bronze blood, with the hint along with his lusus, about trying to adopt others.
    theif of blood you say?
    well... an interesting idea could be that he IS indeed a thief of blood, but of another color. stealing another's bloods identity as his own.
    but wouldn't that be a plot twist.

    • @johnathanegbert9277
      @johnathanegbert9277 Před rokem

      Is he cornsyrup?
      That would make him a mutant, and thus liable to being killed on sight like Karkata (although cornsyrup blood is almost the same as bronze blood, so its genius)

    • @johnathanegbert9277
      @johnathanegbert9277 Před rokem

      It would be ironic, though, being a mutated blood colour that is still the same blood colour as the one he was assigned at birth.
      Nobody would know he's a mutant!

  • @lorekeeperoblivious1557
    @lorekeeperoblivious1557 Před 6 lety +30

    It’s always wonderful to see another video from you, since you manage to explain homestuck in a way that entertains and helps EVERYONE understand. That’s why i have a suggestion.
    For a long time, the horrorterrors of the furthest ring have fascinated me, but there is barely any information about them. I was wondering, perhaps you can make sense of these dark beings?
    Of course, it is only advice. Whatever you do, i will always be happy with every new video you post. I’m here to stay.
    Just too bad i can’t be a patron...

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +2

      I touched on them a bit in the episodes on Dreamselves and the Incipisphere, to my memory! I'd be really curious to know what questions those videos left you with if you're still confused about them, since I'll definitely touch on both them and Skaia again sooner or later ^_^
      Thanks for the thoughts!

  • @stevielambert2552
    @stevielambert2552 Před 6 lety +5

    Trizza (the Heiress) is also a Blood player so I wonder what her class is :0 I mean it could be really obvious and be Heir, but I'm hoping someone like oD will be able to analyse it better than I could

  • @a-bird-lover
    @a-bird-lover Před 6 lety +51

    Oh heck noo I just realized I acted like a thief of light from first to sixth grade. I would get super attached and possessive of those I deemed worthy (most of the time they would react, in my dad's words, like a 'spider' was on them), and I was super light-oriented by learning all the things about a new subject and slamming anyone I could in the face with INFORMATION (ok I still do that). I'm a scorpio. My favorite color is dark cobalt-ish. The dots... they _align_
    Oh also I think he'll be like Bro/Dirk. Well meaning, but in all the wrong ways. Like, better prepare this kid for trauma later in his life, better [mentally abuse them]!

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +17

      There's a bit of Vriska in all of us, in the end--some more than others! :P Congratulations on discovering your own inner (Vriska).
      I bristle at implicating Dirk in Bro's behavior, though. I'm pretty well on record as thinking Dirk's actions are not like Bro's, and the way things went down with Jake has less to do with him as it does with Hal/AR, who I feel is a much better reflection of Bro. Subject for a different video, though, its no biggie :B

    • @a-bird-lover
      @a-bird-lover Před 6 lety +6

      optimistic Duelist Oh no no, I don't mean to say that Dirk and Bro are anything close to the same person! I feel like that would be disrespectful to the characters themselves. I wanted to point out a pattern, that manifested far, far worse in Bro than in Dirk, and I think I see the continuation of the same pattern with Dammek. The sunglasses don't help.

    • @sketchManiac
      @sketchManiac Před 6 lety +3

      Hold on. Aren't Hal/AR the same person as Dirk? He said it himself in his "I don't want to die" Monologue to Dirk. They're the same consciousness. Dirk had the same potential to act exactly like AR did, and would have and always will do so if he's in the same position as AR and Hal. I've always imaged Bro to be another splinter of Dirk.

    • @crunch13leaf
      @crunch13leaf Před 6 lety +4

      Well, Hal's an unreliable narrator, and besides that he's not a splinter of Dirk as we see him in the comic, he's a splinter of Dirk from when he was 12.

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +5

      Aenbr They have the same basic soul, so they are in a sense the same person. But Dirk's actual choices are consistently nobler, because Dirk grows and had friends he wants to be close to and learn from. It's the Heart/Mind dichotomy-Dirk isn't AR anymore than Vriska is (Vriska).
      They might start out with similar parameters, but the decisions they make and life paths they follow still set them apart.

  • @artie2822
    @artie2822 Před 5 lety +4

    And Vriska was a *serial killer*
    Going from 0 to 100 real fast there

  • @notarealspy4090
    @notarealspy4090 Před 6 lety +17

    If it helps: I also have the sign of the cherished
    *Witch is dammeks symbol*

    • @The_Zap_Bug
      @The_Zap_Bug Před 6 lety +1

      *not a real spy* me too! Taurcer!

    • @notarealspy4090
      @notarealspy4090 Před 6 lety +1

      BadTouch FreakShow YEE
      Another blood bound
      What's your class *just curious lol*

    • @indieflowerutau
      @indieflowerutau Před 6 lety +1

      If it's helps, I'm a scorcen thief of blood. Damn it, Dammek

  • @garnetcookley2012
    @garnetcookley2012 Před 6 lety +3

    Is anyone else seeing a really strong parallel between Xefros and Dammek's relationship and Jake and Dirk's?

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +7

      I see a pretty strong parallel between Vriska and Tavros. Jake and Dirk's relationship is considerably more complicated, and I'm personally well on record as thinking the actual abuse Jake suffered came from AR, not Dirk. But the fandom perceives quite a bit of overlap between all three pairings, yeah--I've definitely heard as much before.

  • @maligulant4396
    @maligulant4396 Před 5 lety +2

    This made my opinion of my extended zodiac a lot better, and now I’m proud to be a Taurcer!

  • @peachchi3367
    @peachchi3367 Před 4 lety +3

    I stg if dammek isn't gonna do the t pose when he lands on earth i'm gonna flip

  • @FrostyMac
    @FrostyMac Před 6 lety +3

    Ok, so a few things. First off, I’m surprised that Cohen managed to pull a Hussie and pack all of this baggage into one relatively small Act. Second, I really enjoyed how well this video uses Homestuck plot points (such as LE) to help explain Hiveswap stuff. Third, and on a completely unrelated note that may or may not be bragging, I always love when a video has a Ferkol song since he had a song in an HS fan album that I was a manager on and contributed to. Maybe I’m biased, so what? Anyways, great video, fantastic analysis, 10/10.

  • @infinitenoodle2406
    @infinitenoodle2406 Před 4 lety +4

    one thing I've always been curious is his reaction to earth and it's society, l know that Karkat had a very jaded reaction to the lives of the kids on earth but Damiek is far less fond of Alterna and it's system, he would be more excepting of it. I don't know but I'm just curious and I can't wait for more hiveswap and hauntswitch to see what next.

  • @awlomthesheepermen
    @awlomthesheepermen Před 4 lety +5

    Alternian society puts people against each other from the start and his name is capitalism, in this essay I will-

  • @shiningfennec2360
    @shiningfennec2360 Před 5 lety +1

    I'm playing Friendsim right now and I'm AMAZED how much it adds to the story
    Your videos are amazing

  • @literallyjustalamp9149
    @literallyjustalamp9149 Před 4 lety +2

    To those against Tetrach because he has 7 letters: Trolls, when they grow up, can often don special names, (Which explains names like The Sufferer.) So this is technically a real name, though this only applies to adult trolls, so this implies that Tetarch is much older than Xefros.

    • @____7843
      @____7843 Před 3 lety

      Nah, I'm pretty sure Tetrarch is some kind of a title. It means one of four revolution ambassadors.
      There's fan-theory,that Dammek is the first Tetrarch,Chixia is second,and other two are Cridea(violetblood) and Fiamet(supposedly limeblood).
      Heard somewhere,not sure.
      Also,Dammek is sure the same age as Xef(they were together since they were grubs),and adult trolls don't live on Alternia(all of them are kids and teens).Also I'm not gonna believe this 7:36 face is adult, lol.

  • @djkfork
    @djkfork Před 6 lety +4

    damit dammek back at it again with the T-Posing

  • @texasred8424
    @texasred8424 Před 4 lety +3

    watch out for tetrarch, he gonna steal yo blood

  • @awlomthesheepermen
    @awlomthesheepermen Před 4 lety +4

    Theif of blood, me at the blood donation center

  • @kople5563
    @kople5563 Před 6 lety +3

    You won't believe me but before I knew dammeks official classpect I guessed thief of blood

  • @clearsparkle4385
    @clearsparkle4385 Před 6 lety +2

    Ay, I always was worried for these kids. But now I'm even more concerned ;;
    That aside, a pleasant video to listen and a very clear exposition, as always; really, it's satisfactory to enjoy your work in any way you presented. Thanks for your hardwork!

  • @____7843
    @____7843 Před 3 lety +2

    Hello,OD! Love your analysis. I'm here after Act 2,perhaps you have any new thoughts on Dammek? He's seems to be different

  • @GenericClient
    @GenericClient Před měsícem

    Doc scratch on his way to manipulate an entire species into producing 12 specific classpects:

  • @canescaeles4719
    @canescaeles4719 Před 6 lety +1

    It's interesting to see how Alternian society, under the influence of Mr. Milkshake, is basically cultivating Kierkegaardian despair, which stems from a misunderstanding of self. The lowest level of despair, according to Kierkegaard, is being despairingly willing to be a self you’re not. Which is basically the entirety of Alternia. Oof.

  • @alephnull8463
    @alephnull8463 Před 6 lety +1

    I feel it's likely that Dammek and Trizza will get redemptions within Hiveswap, Ardata might get one depending on how big her role is, and Zebruh's probably gonna remain a one-note parody.

  • @canescaeles4719
    @canescaeles4719 Před 6 lety +2

    11:25 WHOA.

  • @lorantkutnyanszky3210
    @lorantkutnyanszky3210 Před 6 lety +2

    You defeneatly deserve at least a silver play button

  • @altereggo8081
    @altereggo8081 Před 4 lety +2

    I SMELL TROLL T-POSE ENERGY HERE

  • @pedrocavalcante4939
    @pedrocavalcante4939 Před 4 lety +1

    Just a heads up, Meenah's name is pronounced like "Pay-shees", since it's based on the portuguese word for the Pisces constellation, literally translated to "Fishes"

  • @hmmmooops
    @hmmmooops Před 6 lety +15

    12:16, what aspects governs sweet, sweet meat? Also, why do friendsim characters have those combinations of aspects on screen?

    • @griphusgriphus5530
      @griphusgriphus5530 Před 6 lety +1

      Alex Dagos You mean the little box on screen witch summarises the troll's behavior??

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +10

      The characters' True Sign's Aspect and the Aspect assigned to their Blood Caste both seem to be represented in each Friendsim' characters text. So for example, Cirava is Derse+Hope and a member of the Goldblood caste, so they have some traits typically linked to Doom. I tried to elaborate on the relationships to each aspect that the friendsim trolls seem to be exhibiting.
      I'm not sure any aspect in particular governs Sweet, Sweet meat, but Diemen is Derse+Hope and his relationship to hotdogs certainly seems hope-coded, so Hope in his case. But we'll talk about that later ;)

  • @robotbirdcat4867
    @robotbirdcat4867 Před 6 lety +2

    AND T H I S IS THE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS I TRY TO EXPLAIN TO MY FRIEND. THEY ALL THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT I WAS R I G HT

  • @pixelperfect9111
    @pixelperfect9111 Před 6 lety +2

    I wish us Homestuck enthusiasts could collaborate on all aspect and all class combinations. When searching for mine I felt that much of the information that was provided is somewhat true but at times it also felt very... misunderstood or misinterpreted. If by chance want to discuss this further msg me back to get access to my discord. I have MUCH I want to talk about when it comes to Hiveswap and Friendsim.

  • @illidarishinku2386
    @illidarishinku2386 Před 6 lety +1

    Poor Dammek... (must hug the strideer)

  • @gan.3308
    @gan.3308 Před 6 lety +1

    That T-Pose is fucking lit.

  • @codenamejinza
    @codenamejinza Před 6 lety +1

    I dunno if I'm supposed to double-post like this, but something occurred to me as I watched this video for the third time: if Trolls have an Aspect duality that pulls them in two different directions, would that mean that there's potential for the creation of Hybrid Aspects?

  • @artistic-ampharos7979
    @artistic-ampharos7979 Před 6 lety +2

    This boy needs some
    👏me👏rc👏y👏
    Edit:I often get sad because this "system" pushes kids to be more mature then they are, like I thought I had no childhood (abusive mom) but honestly this
    This is sad :(

  • @Tailsgothicangel1
    @Tailsgothicangel1 Před 6 lety +1

    I honestly thought that perhaps, Dammek was the Prince of Blood while the Trizza was the Theif of Blood. I guess you proved me wrong on that part.

  • @benzur3503
    @benzur3503 Před 6 lety +2

    Both breath players and blood players seem to be tied to protesting. John abit less and on very insignificant matters (con air, personal distaste to the batterwitch’s products, his father not really liking harlequins etc) but blood players are seen in near permanent active denial of how status’s should work in their society

  • @WatchfulYarn
    @WatchfulYarn Před 6 lety +1

    it seems that pages and thieves tend to have bad and poisonous relationships, especially moirails

  • @normalguy1729
    @normalguy1729 Před 4 lety +3

    i always like to think dammek isn't that bad..

  • @JacklyCraft
    @JacklyCraft Před 5 lety +2

    11:46 lol i thinked that Latula was the anti-christ

  • @thornykettle112
    @thornykettle112 Před 3 měsíci

    Just noticed this video was from 2018. Damn i'm getting old

  • @GameTornado01
    @GameTornado01 Před 6 lety +2

    You should collaborate with Laureled Eeves.

  • @SylverQrow
    @SylverQrow Před 6 lety +19

    Is the friend sims canon or fan made?

    • @The_Endless_Now
      @The_Endless_Now Před 6 lety +32

      _"The Hiveswap Friendsim is a quick, loosely-canonical visual novel adventure following the efforts of the unnamed protagonist (that’s you!) to survive and maybe even thrive on the harsh surface of ALTERNIA. Set in the time of Hiveswap: Act 1, this episodic visual novel’s opening volume, written by Homestuck creator Andrew Hussie, is sure to satisfy Homestuck and Hiveswap fans who are eager for a darker stroll across the Alternian landscape."_

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety +30

      They're canon and made by WP. I only cover official WP content in Homestuck: Explained and Hiveswap Lore, and I would clearly specify if I were covering any sort of fanworks.

  • @nikosstories8524
    @nikosstories8524 Před 6 lety +1

    The ending gave me depression

  • @dynamiaa
    @dynamiaa Před 6 lety

    I heard you might have a discord yet i am stuck on phone and cant seem to get a direct link to get an invite to the server could i get one?

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety

      My main discord is accessible through Patreon, as a reward for pledging any amount. I'm also around on the r/Hiveswap discord, which is freely accessible.

  • @chancesassy7963
    @chancesassy7963 Před 6 lety +2

    * Sees Dammek in Thumbnail *
    Welp, looks like things are about to get *c r u s t y* .

  • @axelfirekirby
    @axelfirekirby Před 5 lety +1

    maybe jude can help him.. hopefully.. i dont know

  • @SpiritofrockinKids
    @SpiritofrockinKids Před 6 lety +1

    Tetrarch "T-Pose" Dammek Strideer

  • @SlimeBeast-xp7xf
    @SlimeBeast-xp7xf Před 6 lety +1

    I swear, watching this video is just like playing the LISA games

  • @johnathanegbert9277
    @johnathanegbert9277 Před rokem

    Do you think you could do a Trizza Tethis video if you haven't already?

  • @celestialjunipers6829
    @celestialjunipers6829 Před 6 lety +1

    You can say that he's
    *_bloodthirsty_*

  • @mr.gameandtime8432
    @mr.gameandtime8432 Před 6 lety

    OD remember the roleplay can happen? someone can roleplay more than one class or aspect so we can 100% say that he is a thief class we need more information to 100% say that he is a thief

  • @VoidstriderLucatiel
    @VoidstriderLucatiel Před 6 lety +1

    Excellentes, mi amigo.

  • @djkfork
    @djkfork Před 6 lety +1

    So... alternia is designed to favour the true signs huh...?
    well in that case boi am i glad to be a True Capricorn

  • @kumo-4136
    @kumo-4136 Před 5 lety

    Am I really going to reread homestuck in order to understand Hiveswap even more now?? Yes. Lets go, infuriatingly colorful chatlogs.

  • @tidecovill6718
    @tidecovill6718 Před 6 lety

    what if all of the signs are trolls that are related to sburb in a literal way, likeeither playing it or meeting a human, and all of the unseen signs are just all the other trolls who played sburb somehow. I'm pretty sure there are more signs floating around than just the 288 we know of, judging by alternia's population

  • @GameTornado01
    @GameTornado01 Před 6 lety

    I used to LARP Knight of Void, but lately I realized that I'm a Seer a Heart.

  • @simon4136
    @simon4136 Před 6 lety +4

    Your pronunciation of peixes is killing me
    (I say it as "PAY-sheez")

    • @The_Endless_Now
      @The_Endless_Now Před 6 lety +1

      I'm German, so I call'er Meenah Pie-kses. I do that with almost every troll
      Karkat - Carcut
      Diemen - Deemen
      Elwurd - Elwoord
      Makes the names sound more exotic and alien imo

    • @simon4136
      @simon4136 Před 6 lety

      A wrenchin' Gear Those seem reasonable. Although, according to word of god, they are supposed to be pronounced in as little affected typical american accent as possible. Then again, he says Aradia as "uh-RAW-dee-uh", so what does he know.
      (I say "uh-RAY-dee-uh")

    • @claytonhartman9885
      @claytonhartman9885 Před 6 lety +2

      As a person of culture, I pronounce "Peixes" as "Pai-sees".

  • @MarkusAldawn
    @MarkusAldawn Před 6 lety +1

    6:41
    *Confuses private property with personal property.*
    *Pisses off the communists.*

  • @shortcake_cafe3614
    @shortcake_cafe3614 Před 6 lety

    Knowing the class and aspect of hiveswap's characters is interesting but since sburb isn't part of Hiveswap storyline, how can it alter the story? Since the classes and aspects is a gameplay element from sburb. (Also great video btw)

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss Před 5 lety

      They are not:czcams.com/video/QPd2PmAxuW4/video.html

  • @L4Vo5
    @L4Vo5 Před 6 lety +1

    Wait is he T-posing in the thumbnail. Oh God why.

  • @welcometohell3002
    @welcometohell3002 Před 5 lety +2

    You should start a discord!

  • @vexillumvixen6054
    @vexillumvixen6054 Před 6 lety

    I personally thought dammek would be the prince of blood because he want to destroy the rule of Trizza.

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss Před 5 lety

      Destroy the rule of Trizza to create a united and good society.

  • @Audamix80
    @Audamix80 Před 6 lety +1

    YES I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS

  • @0average_enjoyer044
    @0average_enjoyer044 Před 6 lety +2

    I got the notification this time

  • @HALE-vp6hu
    @HALE-vp6hu Před 6 lety

    this vid made me woke af, keep it up my dude!

  • @ravendreaming3966
    @ravendreaming3966 Před 6 lety +2

    Have you watched my hero academia? If so, do you agree with the (OBVIOUS TRUTH) that Izuku Midoriya is an HEIR of hope? (I got into a Disagreement with several people over if and why he was so I want a more "professional" opinion)

    • @ravendreaming3966
      @ravendreaming3966 Před 6 lety

      i also just noticed the way you described eridan, meenah, and vriska, with vriska as just vriska...i love it.

    • @KingOpenReview
      @KingOpenReview Před 6 lety +1

      He seems more like a knight since he essentially wants to be of service to everyone around him. He also is very much about efficient use of resources given to him.

    • @ravendreaming3966
      @ravendreaming3966 Před 6 lety

      Yeah, on a literal level, but personality wise? not really. (but we can agree he's not a sylph, right? *eye twitches*)

    • @theblackoutexplorer2658
      @theblackoutexplorer2658 Před 6 lety

      Raven Dreaming ya I’d say knight of hope or heir i don’t wanna say any examples tho because don’t wanna randomly spoil things or something

    • @claytonhartman9885
      @claytonhartman9885 Před 6 lety

      What, do you have something against Sylphs, Raven?

  • @JakeyBakeyowo
    @JakeyBakeyowo Před 6 lety +1

    Dammek tries to be tough

  • @queerruska
    @queerruska Před 5 lety

    But if Rustbloods have Aries, then why does Karkat have Cancer?

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 5 lety +3

      Not sure what you mean? Karkat isn't a Rustblood, he's a mutant limeblood according to the Hiveswap extended zodiac.

    • @queerruska
      @queerruska Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks for the info. Didn't notice that anywhere...

  • @MisterSam007
    @MisterSam007 Před 6 lety +1

    "my theories are canon btw"

  • @hmmmooops
    @hmmmooops Před 6 lety

    God fucking dammit I was planning to sleep after watching Ex Points video but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @batsnghostz
    @batsnghostz Před 6 lety

    WAIT HE HAS A FIRST NAME HOLY SHIT

  • @megadbow7379
    @megadbow7379 Před 6 lety

    Oh great so i aparently ghost void, thats even better for trying to be noticed

  • @acquaintedfowl1767
    @acquaintedfowl1767 Před 6 lety

    Dammek: VAMPIRE RAP GOD

  • @angellm8192
    @angellm8192 Před 6 lety +1

    A s s e r t d o m i n a n c e

  • @ariesAsterisk
    @ariesAsterisk Před 3 lety

    cAn Anyone link me to the imAge At 2:11 pleAse And thAnks

  • @The_Zap_Bug
    @The_Zap_Bug Před 6 lety

    Taurcer and proud!

  • @Iamthunderchild
    @Iamthunderchild Před 6 lety

    Liked this keep up the good work

  • @wareware_.
    @wareware_. Před 6 lety

    I can't take this video seriously after that T-posing Dammek.

  • @clown6821
    @clown6821 Před 6 lety

    *DONT HURT MY CHILDERN* *DOC SCRATCH P L E A S E*

  • @praisehelix5235
    @praisehelix5235 Před 6 lety

    Willing to put down money on this new heiress being a Witch of Mind and a rather successful one, thus far, at that. All she has to do wrestle the minds of the people from the Imperial Condescension, who seems to be the familiar in this case.

    • @optimisticDuelist
      @optimisticDuelist  Před 6 lety

      New Heiress being Trizza? We know her sign- she's Bloodbound, like Dammek.

  • @benzur3503
    @benzur3503 Před 5 lety +1

    It just clicked for me, you put maid as fairy and knight as servant? Nah dude. Nah

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss Před 5 lety +1

      Maid is a fairy that everyone tries to use a servant, but she escapes. Basically a Cinderella story. While for Knights service is in their nature.