Stephen A. Smith thinks Patrick Mahomes is a REVOLUTIONARY QB 👀 | First Take

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  • čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
  • On First Take, Stpehen A. Smith, Kimberley Martin and Dan Orlovsky join Molly Qerim to talk about Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and the Philadelphia Eagles.
    0:00 Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson
    4:30 Stephen A.’s take
    7:00 Better or worse about the Eagles right now?
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  • @og_mante5138
    @og_mante5138 Před 4 měsíci +113

    I love Lamar but this a stupid question😂 Nobody is on Pat’s level. They just compare other players to him to fill out the segment.

    • @kleatise52
      @kleatise52 Před 4 měsíci +6

      Next year it will be burrow again.

    • @og_mante5138
      @og_mante5138 Před 4 měsíci +7

      @@kleatise52 No one is close to what Pat has accomplished so far. Burrow can’t even stay healthy. That’s a no.

    • @dannenpowell8866
      @dannenpowell8866 Před 4 měsíci

      Yep

    • @kleatise52
      @kleatise52 Před 4 měsíci

      @@og_mante5138 I’m just saying, once mahomes wins, they will stop with Lamar and try somebody else. Or maybe josh Allen forever

    • @tylernaylor3233
      @tylernaylor3233 Před 4 měsíci

      Didn’t Brady beat him in afc championship 2 times and then went to the nfc and beat him 31-9 in the superbowl? Lmao

  • @jaybrook07
    @jaybrook07 Před 4 měsíci +214

    The AFC championship game is the Patrick Mahomes Invitational. This isn't a debate

    • @bo0gi3
      @bo0gi3 Před 4 měsíci +4

      He’s lost in his own invitational then.

    • @jaybrook07
      @jaybrook07 Před 4 měsíci +49

      @bo0gi3 yeah he's not immune to losing. It's just amazing that since he's been a starter he's never not been in the AFC championship game

    • @DreSpeezy
      @DreSpeezy Před 4 měsíci +8

      It’s the Chiefs invitational. Last time I checked there still the reigning Superbowl Champions. Lamar has to win first. This ain’t a conversation.

    • @Frankieefootballmundial
      @Frankieefootballmundial Před 4 měsíci +7

      The last time a conference championship game that didn’t feature Patrick mahomes , Tom Brady or Arron rodgers was 2009

    • @RobertSmith-tu7rl
      @RobertSmith-tu7rl Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@Frankieefootballmundial arod played in the NFC ..... Sheesh y'all need to stop talking lol

  • @RyannRidgnal
    @RyannRidgnal Před 4 měsíci +166

    I feel like since people want the Chiefs to lose soo bad because they have been winning the last few years they are just throwing out nonsense because be fr how are you even comparing a guy that has won 2 rings, 2 MVPS, Been to 6 consecutive AFC Championships, and won of those 3 AFC championships. You can give Lamar his flowers but don’t downgrade Patrick Mahomes or even compare him because he Lamar doesn’t even have half of Mahomes Rapsheet.

    • @marceldwayne8491
      @marceldwayne8491 Před 4 měsíci +8

      Having said that Ryan
      Tom Brady's extensive experience and impressive track record set him apart from Patrick Mahomes since of course, Mahomes doesn't have his Rapsheet. While Mahomes is undoubtedly a talented player, he has yet to establish the same level of dominance and consistency that Brady has demonstrated over his career.
      Therefore I have no idea why people even mentioned Mahomes as the GOAT

    • @maxcenevil
      @maxcenevil Před 4 měsíci +5

      That has nothing to do with the question. The question is who is more revolutionary which means...change.

    • @marceldwayne8491
      @marceldwayne8491 Před 4 měsíci

      @@maxcenevil - Aaron Rodgers

    • @MrRocket100
      @MrRocket100 Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@marceldwayne8491that’s exactly what I was about to comment chiefs fans hate for people to compare mahomes to anybody in the nfl while simultaneously trying to compare him to someone who has 3 times the amount of achievements than he does it is very disrespectful especially when people have already crowned him the best ever ALREADY😂😂😂 and not even to mention that Tom himself destroyed mahomes in the Super Bowl and beat him in his MVP year

    • @marceldwayne8491
      @marceldwayne8491 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@MrRocket100 if I could give 100,000 thumbs up bro I would
      The delusion of fans is almost like politics! Like my dude, where speaking on resume not talent just pure raw concrete evidence.
      Hands down Tom is the GOAT without a question. Could Mahomes challenge the resume of Tom? Absolutely but at the moment he hasn't even surpassed dare I say, Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning.
      BEFORE he even gets in conversation with Tom, yes he needs to surpass those guys. That's how far the resume of Tom Brady is.
      Sorry those are the raw numbers, don't blame the reader.

  • @glennkreisel7943
    @glennkreisel7943 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Kimberley is hardcore REACHING😂😂😂

    • @phonseng-hs6tp
      @phonseng-hs6tp Před 4 měsíci

      She remind of that black spike person for Biden. Says a lot but says nothing

    • @glennkreisel7943
      @glennkreisel7943 Před 4 měsíci

      @@phonseng-hs6tp 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @derrickmason7457
    @derrickmason7457 Před 4 měsíci +78

    How is Mahomes not most revolutionary he’s doing all this at age 27 he’s here every year even with his most trash squad he’s every had . Won 2 out of 3 chips

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam Před 4 měsíci +6

      Those are team accomplishments. His team isn't trash; the defense is carrying him. If Mahomes played for the Panthers or the Cardinals, they'd still be terrible. Mahomes get far more credit than he deserves.

    • @jjpark1989
      @jjpark1989 Před 4 měsíci +8

      He’s actually 28, about to turn 29 this year, but yeah. He’s on that Brady track right now for sure. Maybe might even pass him. Time will tell. As long as Andy Reid doesn’t retire

    • @freddygaulman5493
      @freddygaulman5493 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@@Zenigundamyou can say the exact same for Lamar if he was on those teams. Before last week he was 1-3 in the playoffs and had everyone in media giving him a pass because he didnt have "weapons"

    • @BoltTheEmolga
      @BoltTheEmolga Před 4 měsíci +4

      The question isn’t who’s “better” or “greater”, the question is who’s more “revolutionary”.
      Mahomes is basically the pinnacle of QB play, but at the same time it’s slightly replicable, even if at a much worse rate. Lamar though, is one of one. There has never been anything like him, Vick included, and helped revolutionize how people look at QBs due to the different style succeeding so well.
      Mahomes is clearly better, there’s no contest there. But that wasn’t the question.

    • @derrickmason7457
      @derrickmason7457 Před 4 měsíci +7

      @@freddygaulman5493 you can’t say he’s a 2x mvp and say his teams weren’t good enough

  • @N8ive49er
    @N8ive49er Před 4 měsíci +118

    Lamar is my favorite QB in the league, but if we're looking at this objectively: Mahomes has been more revolutionary. GMs are looking for the next Mahomes, not necessarily the next LJ as I think the league are still catching up on really seeing his value to the game.
    Patrick Mahomes has changed the way we view good throws vs. bad throws much like how Steph Curry changed the way we look at good shots vs. bad shots in the NBA. Lamar hasn't quite had that degree of impact on the game.
    I'm rooting hard for Lamar and the Ravens in these playoffs, but the answer is Mahomes respectfully.

    • @andrewchiu6226
      @andrewchiu6226 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Yup. Just like with Steph - all the kids are now throwing like Patrick, and all the coaches are yelling at them to master the fundamentals before the no look, non-platform stuff. He has also set the expectation that all new QBs should have dual threat ability even if they don't feature exceptional footspeed, which Pat doesn't.

    • @amrey3628
      @amrey3628 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Great analogy. Yeah, Lamar (my favorite player) is like pre championship versions of KD, Joker or even Giannis. It's almost magical seeing what they can do out there but it's going to take a while for that next guy like them to be found. Revolutionary is a big word too because Steph really did change the game & they still looking for that next Steph Curry though. Jokic has & still is in the midst of shifting how do you prepare for a baller like him. Same with Lamar but he Really would solidify it for the naysayers with a ring. I'm absolutely hoping he wins one too.
      🙏🏼

  • @alex_walters
    @alex_walters Před 4 měsíci +33

    this is like saying Westbrook is more revolutionary than Curry it’s nonsense

  • @user-xg9wx5su1d
    @user-xg9wx5su1d Před 4 měsíci +182

    Kimberley has the worst takes always! She can’t even communicate she gets lost in her points and makes zero sense! Absolute HORRIBLE analyst!

    • @ti2968
      @ti2968 Před 4 měsíci +43

      She doesn't even look like she believes in what she is saying 😂

    • @andrewchiu6226
      @andrewchiu6226 Před 4 měsíci +12

      @@ti2968 Yup. It looked like the producers wanted to have this debate, and somebody had to volunteer for Lamar.

    • @donovanprice3321
      @donovanprice3321 Před 4 měsíci +14

      Kimberly is horrible analytically good God almighty!

    • @MaxyDean13
      @MaxyDean13 Před 4 měsíci +16

      Thank you so much, don’t think I’ve heard a single take from her that is somewhat good, always terrible. Put Mina Kimes on instead if you need a female analyst

    • @rickambres8683
      @rickambres8683 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Finally someone else noticed

  • @tytar1037
    @tytar1037 Před 4 měsíci +75

    Why do they always spend a week talking about Josh Allen after he loses? Media rarely talks about a losing QB this obsessively. Media wants him to win SO BAD.

    • @goofy_xf6223
      @goofy_xf6223 Před 4 měsíci +17

      He’s the NFL poster boy

    • @legitdragon6202
      @legitdragon6202 Před 4 měsíci +10

      They need to coddle him and tell him what a special boy he is when they lose.

    • @unclephillymya
      @unclephillymya Před 4 měsíci

      Sure buddy they will talk about J Allen ONLY WHEN HE WINS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you’re on crack and you need to leave the internet

    • @MovieMicah
      @MovieMicah Před 4 měsíci +2

      because he’s amazing yet hasn’t won anything

    • @AJ-jl3fj
      @AJ-jl3fj Před 4 měsíci +1

      Bruh I’m tired hearing about Lamar ain’t nobody say nothing bad about that man it’s they opinion then yall gone be mad when mahomes bust his behind

  • @Z_Is_Me_Reacts
    @Z_Is_Me_Reacts Před 4 měsíci +61

    Lamar vs mahomes will be showtime 🍿

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam Před 4 měsíci +1

      That's not a compelling match-up. The real quarterback battle in the championship games will be between Purdy and Goff, two gunslingers who know how to run pro-style offenses. I would never want my son to watch the other two if he wanted to develop into a real quarterback.

    • @kcmo8164
      @kcmo8164 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@Zenigundamwhat is a real Quarterback

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@kcmo8164 Someone who understands the position and knows how to dissect defenses. We keep hearing about these running QBs and how great they are, but look at happened when Jalen Milroe went head to head against J.J. McCarthy. Did Michael Vick ever win a Super Bowl? He never even played in one. What about Steve McNair, Vince Young, Jalen Hurts? It doesn't work in the long run.

    • @user-xl8zy6bp7b
      @user-xl8zy6bp7b Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@ZenigundamThis is a laughable take bc Brock Purdy didn't look lik that last week and not only that but Purdy is in run first system. He is not slinging nothing all over the field.

    • @goofy_xf6223
      @goofy_xf6223 Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@Zenigundamwe know what you really want to say. You’re saying the real QB matchup is between 2 white QBs. It’s not about dissecting defenses or anything else. Brock Purdue and Goff are not Gunslingers. That was a dead giveaway that your statement is complete bulljunk! Way to be a clown

  • @harrypray105
    @harrypray105 Před 4 měsíci +16

    “Don’t sing. Don’t dance. Stop.”😂😂😂😂

  • @BigDog8162.0
    @BigDog8162.0 Před 4 měsíci +17

    Kimberly is Hating 😂😂😂 I love Lamar but as of today Mahomes is already a First Ballot Hall of Famer if he retires today!😮

    • @breonmitchell2443
      @breonmitchell2443 Před 4 měsíci

      Lamar 1st ballot 2 mvp he automatic to😂😂😂😂

    • @drm2364
      @drm2364 Před 4 měsíci

      No Super Bowls and not enough stats yet.@@breonmitchell2443

    • @jeannethompson4048
      @jeannethompson4048 Před 4 měsíci

      She’s a moron and I’m not sure why they invite her on the show.

  • @namaj3122
    @namaj3122 Před 4 měsíci +70

    Mahomes 6 yrs in
    2x mvp
    2x Super Bowl MVPs
    6x afccg
    2nd player ever to throw 50 td 5k yds
    Tied 1st all time in most playoff games with 5+ td passes
    Tied first all time in most td passes in single postseason
    Ranks 1st all time in
    Passer rtg
    Td int ratio
    Completion %
    Yards per game in playoffs and regular season
    Fastest qb to 10K yds
    Fastest qb to 15k yds
    Fastest qb to 20k yds
    Fastest qb to 25k yds
    Fastest qb to 100 td
    Fastest Qb to 150 td
    Best winning % of all time when trailing 10+ at the half in playoffs
    1st qb ever to trail entire playoffs by 10+ points and win the Super Bowl
    He’s the greatest ever

    • @sirrmanning2769
      @sirrmanning2769 Před 4 měsíci +5

      If Patrick wins it this year ABSOLUTELY! I believe he is the most talented and that includes Dan Marino and some of the older QB's that had lasers for arms.

    • @qestym8777
      @qestym8777 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Has a long way to go before he catches tom

    • @helloman3676
      @helloman3676 Před 4 měsíci +11

      He can never catch Tom Brady. Losing to Tom Brady hurt his legacy forever. The better Mahomes resume gets, the better Brady will look. Brady will always get the he beat him straight up arguments. Its not an opinion but facts.

    • @juscameron7439
      @juscameron7439 Před 4 měsíci +12

      @@helloman3676That’s a silly argument.

    • @helloman3676
      @helloman3676 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@juscameron7439 Its not an argument, it's just facts. When the chip was on the line, Brady straight up beat Mahomes. 🤷‍♂

  • @hectorrivera5416
    @hectorrivera5416 Před 4 měsíci +22

    Who gave Kimberley a job??

  • @ShadySlim_boxing_show
    @ShadySlim_boxing_show Před 4 měsíci +51

    Keep that same energy Monday that you had for Josh Allen

    • @justinbellamy1399
      @justinbellamy1399 Před 4 měsíci +10

      He’s been better than Allen

    • @acephas3
      @acephas3 Před 4 měsíci +1

      They won’t, for either QB.

    • @Jdcjr1991
      @Jdcjr1991 Před 4 měsíci +20

      Josh Allen is OVERRATED they been wanting him to beat Patrick Mahomes but he’s just a full back at QB

    • @tmc31390
      @tmc31390 Před 4 měsíci +8

      😂 they’ve been keeping that energy for Lamar. It’s Josh Allen who has been getting the benefit of the doubt despite him accomplishing almost nothing.

    • @legitdragon6202
      @legitdragon6202 Před 4 měsíci +2

      What? If he plays well except when it matters most and loses, blame the rest of the team and tell him what a special boy he is?

  • @deojoe1794
    @deojoe1794 Před 4 měsíci +28

    I think Patrick maholmes is the best qb for the NEW generation

    • @Frankieefootballmundial
      @Frankieefootballmundial Před 4 měsíci +4

      More like the best quarterback of the 2020s

    • @RobertSmith-tu7rl
      @RobertSmith-tu7rl Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@FrankieefootballmundialI think Lamar is right there .

    • @SycoticForeverNeverAF
      @SycoticForeverNeverAF Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@RobertSmith-tu7rlhell no lmao.

    • @calebmayfield8285
      @calebmayfield8285 Před 4 měsíci

      @@RobertSmith-tu7rlgtfo when Lamar makes 6 AFC championships in a row and two rings we can talk lmao y’all want to crown him so bad when he only has 2 playoffs wins

    • @RobertSmith-tu7rl
      @RobertSmith-tu7rl Před 4 měsíci

      @@calebmayfield8285 lol of he gets 2 rings he will be where Mahomes is as I said many times. MAHOMES had the advantage of having stars and a HOF coach to begin with Lamar will an is catching up. I know what my qb can do . No the media wants to crown Mahomes Soo bad Brady is the goat. And always will be.

  • @Breezy941
    @Breezy941 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I haven’t seen one good Kimberley take ever

    • @amrey3628
      @amrey3628 Před 4 měsíci

      Mina Kimes would be perfect to have on air with them on these days.

  • @KEENANALLENASMRGLASS
    @KEENANALLENASMRGLASS Před 4 měsíci +24

    I remember when it took Stephen A to see Mahomes throw the left hand pass to say he’s a good qb, man time flies.

  • @LuarMatos
    @LuarMatos Před 4 měsíci +6

    Molly and Kimberly look fine today 😂😂 only reason I watched today

  • @tiyalewhitehurst338
    @tiyalewhitehurst338 Před 4 měsíci +19

    It's Mahomes By Far, funny story is I remember a scout saying Lamar would be another Taysom Hill 😂😂😂

    • @dfwherbie8814
      @dfwherbie8814 Před 4 měsíci +8

      By definition lamar is revolutionary because if he’s able to pull off the final win, he will change how we and the league views the QB position. Mahomes is revolutionary in a different way, but in a way that elevates the traditional role of a QB. Hope this makes sense lol

  • @yugialy
    @yugialy Před 4 měsíci +4

    stop letting kimberly on first take bru lol

  • @phillybyrd34
    @phillybyrd34 Před 4 měsíci +1

    11:16 When Stephen A. did that I CRACKED UP_ It was PERFECT!!!💯💯😂😂😂

  • @tyanewilson217
    @tyanewilson217 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Kimberley always sounds she is inlove with Lamar lol 😂

  • @ESPLTD782
    @ESPLTD782 Před 4 měsíci +7

    This chick on the left doesn’t know much about football, or maybe she doesn’t come prepared. I don’t know I always just fast forward through her parts

  • @dexterdog1659
    @dexterdog1659 Před 4 měsíci +15

    Lamar can't hold Mahomes jock strap

    • @bgstv10001
      @bgstv10001 Před 4 měsíci

      Ummm okay!!!!!

    • @AntLowkey1k
      @AntLowkey1k Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@bgstv10001you’re drunk.

    • @bgstv10001
      @bgstv10001 Před 4 měsíci

      @@AntLowkey1k ok

    • @AntLowkey1k
      @AntLowkey1k Před 4 měsíci

      @@bgstv10001 but aye I can see why you f*** Lamar though he's nice for real.

  • @horacioipina7676
    @horacioipina7676 Před 4 měsíci +55

    They’ve been waiting to have this convo but Lamar never made it this far to face mahomes😂

    • @Lrod0323
      @Lrod0323 Před 4 měsíci +4

      He is still the best qb rn

    • @smoove3968
      @smoove3968 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@Lrod0323he’s not

    • @maverick33guy95
      @maverick33guy95 Před 4 měsíci +4

      ​@@smoove3968mahomes is s tier.. the debate is for 2nd and 3rd between Allen burrow and Lamar

    • @youngpicassoart7394
      @youngpicassoart7394 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@maverick33guy95bro said Allen💀

    • @maverick33guy95
      @maverick33guy95 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@youngpicassoart7394 yeah Allen is top 5 at his position

  • @SixZeroPB-KC
    @SixZeroPB-KC Před 4 měsíci +5

    Holy cow, Dan! You finally give Mahomeboy the credit he deserves after glazing Josh Allen for a month straight even after a loss

  • @zoeman7720
    @zoeman7720 Před 4 měsíci +3

    she went around in a circle to regurgitate what everyone says

  • @johnwxst
    @johnwxst Před 4 měsíci +6

    How can you be revolutionary with no wind or rings to show for?????? CRAZY

    • @jau.tumn14
      @jau.tumn14 Před 4 měsíci +5

      you realize football is a team sport right?? 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @MovieMicah
      @MovieMicah Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@jau.tumn14fr people need to learn to separate team achievement from player achievement

  • @oodaglom
    @oodaglom Před 4 měsíci +5

    I’m not a chiefs but if I could pick any qb on my team in the history of the sport, I’m taking mahomes.

  • @dfwherbie8814
    @dfwherbie8814 Před 4 měsíci +21

    By definition lamar is revolutionary because if he’s able to pull off the final win, he will change how we and the league views the QB position. Mahomes is revolutionary in a different way, but in a way that elevates the traditional role of a QB. Hope this makes sense lol

    • @isasooner5
      @isasooner5 Před 4 měsíci +6

      No, we’ve seen players like Lamar in the past. Vick, and others. We’ve never seen a qb with mahomes’ skill set! The precision and accuracy of Rodgers, Brady and manning and the gunslinger mentality of Favre and the best most revolutionary passing skills and angles and improvisation of anyone we’ve ever seen!

    • @dfwherbie8814
      @dfwherbie8814 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@isasooner5 but that’s what I said. He’s revolutionary with respect to elevating the the traditional role, skill wise, within a traditional QB skill set. Lamar is taking it to a different direction. And yeah, we had Vick. But he wasn’t quite like this. But it all depends if Lamar can pull of the way win. They’re both revolutionizing QB’ing. I just think it leans more to Lamar with a slight margin

    • @RyuujinLetum
      @RyuujinLetum Před 4 měsíci

      ​@isasooner5 lol what? Lamar is what Vick could have been. He's Vick with actual arm talent.

    • @jeannethompson4048
      @jeannethompson4048 Před 4 měsíci

      You just said what they said about Mahomes.

    • @yungtone9658
      @yungtone9658 Před 4 měsíci

      It doesn’t

  • @bo0gi3
    @bo0gi3 Před 4 měsíci +14

    Can’t wait for this game. It’s a big game for Lamar, it’s a regular post season game for Mahomes. Ravens have more to prove. Will be a good game. Don’t see anyone getting blown out.

  • @cgpxae2119
    @cgpxae2119 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Mahomes is so good his play style went from being a negative and described as “reckless terrible mechanics turnover prone” to being a mandatory trait for a 1st round qb

    • @thewanderer6388
      @thewanderer6388 Před 4 měsíci

      That says more about the ability of NFL scouts to evaluate talent.

  • @kcbd50
    @kcbd50 Před 4 měsíci +10

    How on earth did that woman get her job? She is absolutely terrible at this

  • @williamchalker9364
    @williamchalker9364 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Clever answer from SA regarding the Eagles: accountability.

  • @chrisrach3
    @chrisrach3 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Good point by Dan. QB coaches are telling kids to play like Pat which is against everything they’d previously known.

  • @JayyGoated2824
    @JayyGoated2824 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I'm getting to the point where I'm tired of hearing Kimberly speak about football. Her responses are so unbelievable she doesn't even believe them. They taking the eye candy thing a little too far now

  • @theape6778
    @theape6778 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Why did Kimberly forget about Cam lol. All the swagger and dual QB style exploded with him. Obviously he tailed off at the end but he was Lamar before Lamar came

  • @risingphoenix1484
    @risingphoenix1484 Před 4 měsíci +8

    We’ve seen Lamar before his name was Michael Vick…..his name was Steve McNair…….His name is Donovan McNabb…….Patrick has revolutionized the position.

    • @brashadcarr6759
      @brashadcarr6759 Před 4 měsíci +1

      We seen Patrick in Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers and none of those guys are the runners from a shiftiness perspective as Lamar or have the highs Lamar has with 3 perfect passing ratings

    • @tyrencrafton1814
      @tyrencrafton1814 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@brashadcarr6759 Mahomes has a Superbowl how higher do you want him to go

    • @tjellis1479
      @tjellis1479 Před 4 měsíci

      He has the Bowl...now he needs the Plate and cup set...then some cutlery @@tyrencrafton1814

    • @risingphoenix1484
      @risingphoenix1484 Před 4 měsíci

      @@brashadcarr6759 All those guys dwarf Lamar's TD output.... and lets not talk about TD/Int %..... ok lets talk running the football Steve McNair did it Donovan McNabb did it.... and guess what Dan Marino/Mahomes/ARod all stomp the sh!t out of those QBs when it comes to TD production too..... with all those running QBs and we'll add Cam Newton into the mix..... none of them can produce as man points as QBs who throw the ball to.....wait for it..... skilled positions that are apt to score...... This is why QBs that are skilled throwers of the ball are more valuable.... And lets not talk about consistency.... You know what you are going to get when you are a skilled passer... you can play in any conventional offense and the coach knows what the production outcome will be.... Running QBs you can't hence the inconsistency in play.... A special offense has to be put in place in order for them to thrive.... but its always 1 play away from injury.....

    • @deonterector
      @deonterector Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@brashadcarr6759 Replace Dan Marino with John elway....Dan Marino was stiff.

  • @randellcampbell9017
    @randellcampbell9017 Před 4 měsíci

    Steve Young was doing all the same stuff in the 90's please look up his stats .. he waited behind Joe Montana, and his career was cut short due to injury in an area when passing wasn't emphasized.

  • @Only1Andre
    @Only1Andre Před 4 měsíci +1

    Put Shay Shay and Kimberly on there together. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @briant6532
    @briant6532 Před 4 měsíci +1

    They say “they figured him out” for every quarterback. Besides that, they had a good point since he kept losing playoff games. Let him accomplish something in the playoffs before crowning him over Patrick

  • @lemures111
    @lemures111 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I'm huge Lamar fan, he's an athletic freak, and I love his humbleness and work ethic. Having said that, of course Mahomes is more revolutionary. The guy is doing things no one has done with winning and with throwing the ball. Both are revolutionary, but Mahomes is waaaaaay more so. I think people are pumping up Lamar too much lately. Lamar is not better than Mahomes lol. I know people want the Chiefs and Mahomes to lose because they have been so dominant but this is getting silly

    • @Galero15
      @Galero15 Před 4 měsíci

      Give Lamar a Hill and a Kelce, and this league is completely different

  • @makestan9883
    @makestan9883 Před 4 měsíci

    Iam watching football because of Lemar Lemar skills on touch

  • @ronsatter5633
    @ronsatter5633 Před 4 měsíci

    I fast forward when Stephen talks

  • @elijah.j3288
    @elijah.j3288 Před 3 dny

    Both are great and revolutionary. Whoever retires with more super bowl appearances and wins is the better all time

  • @aryanpatil32
    @aryanpatil32 Před 4 měsíci +2

    "He could go down as one of the greatest of all time" stop it woman he's already number 2.

  • @DJDayzeeRed
    @DJDayzeeRed Před 4 měsíci +1

    Go Chiefs! FYI, it was so nice seeing you on General Hospital again today!

  • @MoeyViews
    @MoeyViews Před 4 měsíci +2

    Can’t stand Kim smh ESPN get rid of her

  • @chickysandwich
    @chickysandwich Před 4 měsíci +2

    Kimberly has no idea what is finna come out of her mouth loll

  • @charliegarcia6677
    @charliegarcia6677 Před 4 měsíci +1

    lol and pm has how many afc appearances and how many SB?

  • @davegardner6673
    @davegardner6673 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Lol if we are going to talk about journey. Before the draft everyone was saying Mahomes would never be a good NFL qb. Many analyst even saying that the chiefs pick was absolutely horrible.

  • @caseyperry496
    @caseyperry496 Před 4 měsíci +1

    These questions are ridiculous.

  • @DetroitTyler
    @DetroitTyler Před 4 měsíci +2

    Revolutionary: involving or causing a complete or dramatic change. I think the way you defend Lamar is much more Revolutionary because we've only seen MVP Cam at this sort of dual threat throwing and running the football. We've seen great QBs with great arms, who can scramble some before similar to Mahomes. But we just don't see as many Lamar Jacksons, so based on the change he forces defenses to adjust to I think Lamar is clearly more revolutionary.

  • @bradymacneill2274
    @bradymacneill2274 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Again… get rid of Kimberley

  • @mr.anderson3694
    @mr.anderson3694 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Mahomes has more rings, stats, and playoff wins, but by all means, assume it's LJ.

  • @DoubleDragonXP
    @DoubleDragonXP Před 4 měsíci +3

    This is a stupid question..

  • @elev8lounge44
    @elev8lounge44 Před 4 měsíci +15

    People act like Vic didn’t do Wht Lamar is doing .

    • @ethonfelton805
      @ethonfelton805 Před 4 měsíci +7

      He didn’t

    • @derrickmason7457
      @derrickmason7457 Před 4 měsíci +1

      💯 they said vick wouldn’t last long either

    • @sirrmanning2769
      @sirrmanning2769 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Vick admitted that he never worked on his skills until he was released from prison and had to get himself back into football shape. Lamar is the next level of VICK for sure.

    • @jakjones8680
      @jakjones8680 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Not passing wise. LJ is a much better passer than Vick was! Vick arm was stronger, but nowhere near as accurate LJ. Lamar can throw you open,where Vick had to see you open.

    • @elev8lounge44
      @elev8lounge44 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@sirrmanning2769 but he still existed before Lamar and humility is a virtue. Vick was a dog. There has never been a Patrick

  • @timmspencer4632
    @timmspencer4632 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Isn’t that the woman who said she wants her quarterbacks to be “quarterbacky” ?

  • @kanemcpherson9839
    @kanemcpherson9839 Před 4 měsíci

    Hey Kimberly off this show

  • @brendaarmstrong7944
    @brendaarmstrong7944 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Respectfully kimberley, might just be a LJ fan and thats fine but I'd urge her to go back n do her research on Michael Vick,Randall Cunningham,Steve McNair,Donovan McNabb

  • @Infinityflow0
    @Infinityflow0 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Interesting question, but it is definitely Patrick Mahomes. He is as close to a perfect QB as far as skillset and intangibles that has ever played the game. He can make every throw, can play in the pocket and out of it, and is the best or 2nd best escape artist in the league (Josh Allen is in the convo). Not to mention, he can run the ball well also. His blend of passing and running and how he allows those skills to play off of each other makes him so revolutionary. He is also clutch. He won his first superbowl while trailing every game by double digits in that playoffs. A big reason that Lamar took such a big leap at QB to me, even though the passing numbers might not suggest it on the surface, is he became more like Patrick. What I mean by that is, even though, the ravens are the least passing team, when he does drop back to pass, he is making great decisions and manipulating defenses with his eyes and threat of running. He is faking a run to open up a pass now, whereas before he committed to running very quickly. This makes him so much more unpredictable and I believe he learned that from watching Patrick.

  • @0-Elias-0
    @0-Elias-0 Před 4 měsíci +1

    These guys failed to point out how Lamar's broken barriers that transcend sports.
    ✔$260,000,000 Contract - Without an Agent
    ✔Surviving Nationwide Collusion & Blackballing
    These are radical events that present a serious change (both retrospectively and prospectively).
    So, when you look outside the lines - and into the Front Office - I think you'll find some of Lamar's biggest contributions.

  • @kgar2888
    @kgar2888 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Journalist caring about truth 😂😂

  • @youknowwhyimhere2307
    @youknowwhyimhere2307 Před 4 měsíci

    That fake lil pass he did on that run is so fire

  • @Isaiahlovelace
    @Isaiahlovelace Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is an unserious conversation. It’s clearly Mahomes.

  • @brandonpenn9117
    @brandonpenn9117 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is why I don't watch these shows. Because anyone who says lamar doesn't know anything about football and hasn't been watching football for the past six or seven years open your eyes

  • @freddygaulman5493
    @freddygaulman5493 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Media says the NFL is filled with young elite QBs but only 1 has any rings. Everyvody else gets a pass based on what ifs

  • @bjenlet7710
    @bjenlet7710 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Kimberly you don't belong here

  • @artificialintelligence0101
    @artificialintelligence0101 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Lamar went from nobody wanting him in free agency to being in the revolutionary conversation

  • @ericsmith5150
    @ericsmith5150 Před 4 měsíci

    One has master the game mentally and the other physically this is really a hot debate I'll have to go with Patrick simply because he has accomplished more respectfully

  • @TradeGang
    @TradeGang Před 4 měsíci +1

    I never wanna hear Kimberly opinion after the cam take she had 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @BillClinton936
    @BillClinton936 Před 4 měsíci

    That first girl didn’t want to pick Lamar she had to for a show 😂😂

  • @Tkvngin
    @Tkvngin Před 4 měsíci +1

    SAS Has to start putting some respect on DAN O NAME 😂😂😂 but fr

  • @kennethfayson9108
    @kennethfayson9108 Před 4 měsíci

    Wow!, a different kat😮😮😮

  • @Rosepapi
    @Rosepapi Před 4 měsíci +2

    Why does Kimberly still have a job, she’s the worst analyst on ESPN

  • @reekybaby5223
    @reekybaby5223 Před 4 měsíci

    Nobody ever thought he wasn’t good enough YT media just knew he was gone make it harder for the Zach Wilson’s of the world🥱🤭

  • @CrazyDropp
    @CrazyDropp Před 4 měsíci +2

    Kimberly’s take was spot on in my opinion, he’s shown you can win his way

  • @zachv2933
    @zachv2933 Před 4 měsíci +1

    "could go down as one of the greatest of all time"? he's already at that point

  • @bonzamonroe3591
    @bonzamonroe3591 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Very tough question but I would say Lamar everywhere you turn you see a running QB every NFL draft you see a QB from college raise his draft stock just because he can run a 40 under 4.50. But Mahomes is what you see in NBA with Curry everybody wants to make them weird throws and live in moments throws

  • @elev8lounge44
    @elev8lounge44 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Mahomes iq compared to Lamar’s AINTTTTTT EVEN CLOSEEEEEE

    • @jakjones8680
      @jakjones8680 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Lamar Jackson has a very high football IQ, that's why he doesn't throw high interceptions. Mahomes has more talent arm wise, but Jackson is smart. Don't let his look fool you, like he's done GM s who said he's an wideout

    • @jerrythercy4439
      @jerrythercy4439 Před 4 měsíci +3

      they are both smart

    • @elev8lounge44
      @elev8lounge44 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@jakjones8680 dude doesn’t even slide. Like I said mahomes iq is 10000x higher

    • @jau.tumn14
      @jau.tumn14 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@elev8lounge44he doesn’t slide he dives to avoid contact… do you even know what you’re talking about?

    • @elev8lounge44
      @elev8lounge44 Před 4 měsíci

      @@jau.tumn14 what’s his career playoff numbers. And didn’t all but one year he have like the number 1 defense 2-3x. And the rest top 10? I mean my god. Dude isn’t clutch and like my initial post said .. MAHOMESSSS IQ IS WAY HIGHER. Thats what all the metrics, and the eye test show. Light years ahead

  • @shiftymcgee9359
    @shiftymcgee9359 Před 4 měsíci

    8:10 asking the same question all Eagles fans are asking about Nick Sirianni. What are you doing here?

  • @tshokoboi
    @tshokoboi Před 4 měsíci +1

    The conversation is unintelligible because there is no nuance. The media has been bandwagoning

  • @SoutheastCeeJay
    @SoutheastCeeJay Před 4 měsíci +1

    The question isn't about who's better or greater. I gotta give Lamar a slight edge in terms of revolutionizing the position. It's akin to what Curry did in the NBA as a PG. We've honestly seen a Lamar and Mahomes before, to a lesser degree, but Lamar was literally asked to change positions. I think owners and GMs may reconsider asking athletic QBs that question going forward after witnessing what LJ is doing. Mahomes and some of his unorthodox mechanics will never be taught to QBs, that guy's a maniac but i think more coaches would welcome athletic QBs with great running potential.

  • @theonceandfuture2610
    @theonceandfuture2610 Před 4 měsíci

    I would say Mahomes because he’s more duplicatable, Mahomes has amazing atteibutes and all time intangibles but Lamar has singular attributes with good intangibles too

  • @user-uf1km4sy5z
    @user-uf1km4sy5z Před 4 měsíci +2

    Mahomie 💪

  • @DhantaVibes
    @DhantaVibes Před 4 měsíci

    Mahomes stats against #1 defenses including the playoffs….
    W-L: 6-1
    Chiefs PPG: 31.0
    Pass YPG: 322.4
    Pass TD-INT: 15-7
    QBR:94.3

  • @battlestar1788
    @battlestar1788 Před 4 měsíci

    Lamar can be up they but when he lose key pieces he needs to prove that he can still lift the team and carry them like Brady and Patrick have don’t when the pieces change around them

  • @the_one1001
    @the_one1001 Před 4 měsíci +1

    He’s won 2 MVPs and people would tell you players like Burrow & Purdy are better QBs
    If he wasn’t able to run, they wouldn’t hold his talent against him

  • @stephaniem8429
    @stephaniem8429 Před 4 měsíci

    If I didn't hear the name 'Lamar' when describing him, that sounds like Fields

  • @yungtone9658
    @yungtone9658 Před 4 měsíci

    Kimberly wants to see Pat fall so bad she will say baker or golf is better 😂

  • @vulcanraven9701
    @vulcanraven9701 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Lamar is getting overhyped to the point people compare him to Patrick Mahomes

  • @bradstewart8663
    @bradstewart8663 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Its crazy how fast they moved on from Josh Allen to Lemar Jackson.

    • @Jaywon977
      @Jaywon977 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Lmao they find a new wb every year to try to compete with Mahomes 😂😂😂 they literally had the same convos about hurts and the eagles last year

    • @JohnKing-jz9zb
      @JohnKing-jz9zb Před 4 měsíci +2

      But Josh Allen was never as good as Lamar.. Lamar was just hurt the last 2 seasons

    • @brandonneumann5294
      @brandonneumann5294 Před 4 měsíci

      @@JohnKing-jz9zb Josh Allen is way better than Lamar

  • @gaborkiss650
    @gaborkiss650 Před 4 měsíci

    Saying Lamar is so ridiculous, Kimberley could barely hold back her laugh.

  • @summerbaby21
    @summerbaby21 Před 4 měsíci

    With the right weapons lamar Jackson will be literally unstoppable, imagine him under kyle Shanahan offense

  • @metalmouth7499
    @metalmouth7499 Před 4 měsíci

    The two sport athletes are rare anymore bc kids just play one thing ...we are a rare. Breed... But playing baseball will make you a natural q.b. ... Especially infielders

  • @kevkeisha
    @kevkeisha Před 4 měsíci

    The question is about the most “revolutionary” QB not the “best” or “winningest.” Mahomes is too traditional to be revolutionary. However, Lamar is a player that they were pushing to be either a Receiver or a Running Back because of his athleticism. NOW we all know that he has arm accuracy and arm power as well. THAT is revolutionary!

  • @Change4good7
    @Change4good7 Před 4 měsíci +1

    If mahomes finds a way to win a superbowl this year He will be 1 SuperBowl away from being tied with Joe Montana at 4 and he can play another 14 years think of that 🤔 4 superbowls with not many weapons a lot of cap space coming up 14 more years to play 😮 Bro the 🐐 n ima Ravens Fan

  • @NotExplicable
    @NotExplicable Před 4 měsíci +2

    Mahomes kinda takes from Favre, Elway and Rodgers. But his throwing ability on the run is stupid.

  • @LeoSmoove-tm8xm
    @LeoSmoove-tm8xm Před 4 měsíci +1

    Lamar need a ring then you can have this convo