The Balkans in Flames - The Ethnic Conflicts | Full Historical Documentary
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- The three-part documentary The Balkans In Flames examines the disintegration of the former Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia. With the help of historians and contemporary witnesses, the series analyses the deterioration of a political and social vision.
We begin with the search for traces in Yugoslavia’s history. Under the influence of changing rulers and empires, the country’s structure is formed over centuries as home to five nationalities with three languages and four different religions. However, in the early 20th century, the first ethnic conflicts begin. Only after World War II does the popular hero and captivating dictator Tito succeed in uniting a peaceful Yugoslavia. But after his death, the country plunges into chaos.
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The tragedy of the disintegration of Yugoslavia should be a warning to all the advocates of a federal European Union. The idea that national identities can be ignored or erased is very foolish. As an Irish person, in no way do I regard myself as a European citizen. Europe is simply a geographical location. I have as much interest in Slovenia as I do for Paraguay.
ROFLMAO. As if the European Union is anything close to a country or ever will be 😂🙈 It's just a trade union, that countries can join or leave as they please.
Same problem in the Rainbow Nation of NELSON MANDELA in SOUTH AFRICA btw we have many Irish descendants here. You do seem to have problems currently with immigration policies in Ireland too.
Be sure .No permission from Poland , too
I've been lucky enough to visit part of the Balkans.. definitely an incredibly beautiful corner of the world with a sadness to it
Look up the word "INAT". It will tell you a lot.
It's not sadness get a life
Most of people want that
I've been unlucky enough to be half Serbian, half Bosnian. 🤣😂🤣😂. Stunning part of the world though, absolutely.
You should pay a visit to VLT MKd...you'll be all happy and full of joy.😂
Is like indian hindu street but they the film always hide you do you know that ? 🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮
One thing you can say about The Balkans, it's not boring. It just becomes more complex the more I research.
@Ken - u just cracked me up in the middle of th night hahaha that’s nothing try to go back to antiquity and try to figure out who’s facts are worth believing…
Long live the Croatian Republic of Herzeg Bosnia
And the food and people are great
There is NO Balkans its same like to say The islands instate of UK! There are different countries in eastern Europe. Balkans is old turkish word and mean mountains!
Another thing you can say about the balkans: it's one ultra ethno-nationalist genocidal shithole🤷♂
Among the many wrong data and interpretations,I also found this in 16th minute,where the narator says that Vojvodina and Kosovo were ,,defined as autonomus provinces" in 1945,the truth is that happened in 1974 with the constituional changes in Yugoslavia..
And NO,Yugoslavia was not federation those first after war years,it comes years after 1945..
So I cannot say this is great documentary about my unfortunately dead😢 Yugoslavia
The dark-haired woman who keeps speaking is a Soros employee, so you'd better bet this isn't about representing history honestly.
YOU ARE WRONG. Both Kosovo and Vojvodina hasve been autonomous since 1945. It's the degree of autonomy that had been increased in changes implemented in 1974.
Najjace je kad dođu nemci da kenjaju o rasturanju Jugoslavije a oni ucestvovali u tome o jedva docekali da se to desi
Nisu je rušili Nijemci opanak, nego upravo SRPČAD. Koja dana jedina i plače za njom. I nastoji se OČAJNIČKI na sve moguče načine kako tako opet prišlepati Hrvatima. Naravno da nemate NIKAKVE šanse.Žali Bože izgubljenih života ali najbolje što se ikad dogodilo je kad smo e riješili vas gamadi. OLUJA bi se trebala slaviti širom svijeta. A va bi trebalo bombardirati jednom svake godine. Na obljetnicu, da ne zaboravite kako izgleda. A sve drugo čete platiti kad tad. Čekaju vas JAKO teška vremena.
Naravno kad je yuga lazna
Fascinating, thank-you. I understood the Balkan conflict in the 90s from the point where it started but I didn't have the historical background information going back to WW1 which is what I wanted.
@seerverlan763 Well, there's much more to history than what they state in this documentary... not to mention politics! They just scratched the surface...
People if becomes hungry and poor then they don't look for war, but when their situation get improve then they look for problems!
Beautiful Yugoslavia ought to be reconstructed and the great federal state to enjoy a harmonious life
The half and more to work. The new outsider.
Don't forget the American effort, economic and political, to destabilise Jugoslavija from 1970. Jugoslavija didn't just collapse, external forces helped tear it apart.
It was Yugoslavia's fault, it lived off of the political situation (Cold War fearmongering like the rest of the non-aligned movement) and IMF loans, it wouldn't survive no matter what. The period of détante marked the end of leisurely living in Yugoslavia, since it's geopolitical position was now redundant.
Actually- a better popular documentary than most of the rest. But, you can't understand it if you don't know that Slovenes, Croats and Serbs were already crystallized as nations, while Bosnian Muslims and Macedonians had been undergoing such a process somewhat later. There was no possibility for a Yugoslav nation, any more than Dutch-German. In short- you can't understand the 20th C without reference to the 10th C.
With what they paid? You make like it was blood. But who take the loans? Who paid?
EXCELLENT CHANNEL!
There is one very important fact you didn’t put. Few years before Alexander was killed Serbian nationalist representative killed leading Croatian representatives in parliament and after that he introduced dictatorship which led to uprising. Pavelic was one of those representatives but he manage to survive. Few months after that he was sentenced to death by Alexander and ran to Italy where he founded Ustashe. I don’t know why you skiped that part but that’s definitely not nice way to create historical content.
That is a very important fact,among few others which they didn't put here..They didn't put the informations of massive slaughters in eastern Bosnia and some parts of Dalmatia which stayed unknown because of the communists! Prijatelju,svi oni rade dokumentarce i filmove za nekakve početnike,a u suštini-pojma nemaju!Nikad više kao guske u maglu!
@@ElBahatoubre-db3id ma znam. Bojim se da je već kasno za to.
Mogli su usput i spomenuti da su raznorazni četnici i nedićevci pobili drugih nacija i neistomišljenika približno kao i Ustaše, i "sitnicu" da je kvislinška Srbija proglašena jedinom "Judenfrei" zemljom u Europi.
By the way, they could also mention that various Chetniks and Nedics killed other nations and dissidents almost as much as the Ustaše, and the "little thing" that Kvislin's Serbia was declared the only "Judenfrei" country in Europe.
There are several other historically crucial facts that these pseudo-intellectual protagonists here either do not know or deliberately did not mention. This article also relativizes the responsibility of the Serbs for the failure of the Pan-Slavist idea (which originated in Croatia). I can't believe that so much lack of expertise is the reason. After years of observation, I come to the conclusion that it is intentional to relativize between perpetrator and victim.
Es gibt noch einige andere historisch entscheidende Fakten, welche diese Pseudointellektuellen Protagonisten hier, entweder nicht kennen oder absichtlich nicht erwähnt haben. Auch dieser Beitrag hier relativiert die Verantwortung der Serben für das scheitern der (in Kroatien entstandenen) panslawistischen Idee. Ich kann nicht glauben, dass so viel Mangel an Fachwissen der Grund ist. Nach Jahren des Beobachtens komme ich zu der Überzeugung es ist Absicht zu relativieren zwischen Täter und Opfer.
I really do not understand why the authors of this video all the time use term Balkans as a substitute for Yugoslavia, as Balkans is much larger than Yugoslavia (what about Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, European part of Turkiey...) so are they also "in Flames"? as the video title implies? On top of that there is big discussion of Slovenia is at all party of Balkans (geographically and historically). So why he did not simply use term former Yugoslavia instead of too broad (and thus wrong) term Balkans.
Slovenija=Balkan....Jugoslavija 4ever ❤
Actually there wasn’t much animosity between the Serbs, Croats and Bosnians until the First World War. It’s simply untrue to claim that we were always at war with each other.
Bosnians?!!!??? Il' je Hrvat,Srbin,musliman
Not true, all three were sympathetic towards each other even during the war. Even during the Battle for Serbia many Croat and Bosniak soldier, with Serbs in the AH army felt sympathies due to the political ambitions all of these peoples had after the 1890s
Balkans should learn from Indonesia, which has over 17 thousand islands, over 700 ethnic groups and its own languages, different religions, different skin colors, and cultures. It’s not always smooth, but in general they live quite peacefully & respectfully with their fellow citizens. It’s not easy to maintain one main land country, let alone an archipelago country.
here there is only one nation with 2 religions -and the latter is the problem -church is to blame
The Serbs are different, The Serbs think they are superior to others 😂😂😂
@@ginaibisi777 Serbs think they are superior to others? Serbs were killed in the most brutal ways during WWII just because they were Serbs. The only concentration camps FOR CHILDREN existed on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia.
Yes Indonesia is a brilliant example ..if you forget about the genocide of the Timorese
@@ginaibisi777of course we are!!
Very "detailed" documentary, but so detailed that it does not explain the main reasons for the conflict in the Balkans, wastes time with irrelevant informations,starts and ends unclearly,so we don't know what happened from the arrival of the Turks to the wars of the nineties and does not indicate potential new conflicts... I would not recommend it to anyone. I'm not sure if it's bad journalism or if it's intentional.
I agree. Not only that, it has numerous factual inaccuracies, loose interpretations and biased statements, some of them completely silly like the comment on 1968 events.
The Balkans as a geopolitical term is an invention of the German geographer Johann Zeune from the 19th century. There is no Balkan peninsula, nor are there no Balkan languages. That's nonsense.
The history in the Balkans doesn’t start with the arrival of Ottomans… it is a misconception that prior to arrival of Ottoman all Balkan people were all hunky dory and getting along. In fact Ottomans were invited by various factions/nationalities to help fight other nationalities/factions…. When it fell the Turks, the capital Constantinople was defended by Genovese, Venetians and some minor other ethnicities… in total 7,000 to 9,000 people.
Would also like to know what you would recommend vs this one
@@user-ci7fz5kp8e But the term Balkans was introduced in relation to the Ottomans, right?
As I understand, it signified the part of Europe under the Ottoman rule in the 19th century.
Before the Ottomans, Byzantium or rather the Eastern Roman Empire, was still a superpower albeit in constant struggle with the Arabs, the Persians who had also become Muslim, the Bulgars, as well as in a hot&cold relationship with the Franks, the Kievan Rus and the new Slavic realms in western Balkans.
I've been following the history of the Eastern Rome on Fire of Learning and some other channels. It's super interesting.
I wonder how Tito got to host Visits from Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor?
He gave Burton booze.
@@urvanhroboatos8044 And a few People they both knew probably!
“Partisans were majority , fought ustasa’s… what is actually the truth is that British changed their tune mid 2nd world war and betrayed draza mihailovic and cetniks. Tito and the partisans wouldn’t stand a chance if Draza had his back up from our young King and his allies.. history was rewritten ..
You completely forgot the influence of the Republic of Venice in the region, which dominated almost the whole eastern coast of the Adriatic for centuries.
The Adriatic coast was not under Ottoman rule at all but mostly under Venetian rule for centuries with a smaller part (Croatian Litoral, between Rijeka and Starigrad in northern Dalmatia) under Habsburg rule and with the independent Republic of Ragusa (Dubrovnik). Therefore, cultural Italian influences were dominant for centuries at the coast, not Ottoman. Austrian influences were also present in some parts of the coats.
Only the extreme southern part of the coast (Bar and Ulcinj in today's Montenegro and Neum in Bosnia and Herzegovina) was part of the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the coast was part of Venice, the Rebuplic of Dubrovnik, and the Habsburg Empire until Napoleon came in 1805.
Since 1813 almost all of the Adriatic coast was under Habsburg rule.
Thank you for stating this detail
Ferhadija mosque and Fethija Mosque and many other destroyed during war are the clear contradiction of what you say . they stretch till Slovenia and croatia borders
@@saadahmad3870 Ferhadija mosque is in Banja Luka, the second largest town in Bosnia. Fethija mosque is in Bihać, also in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Look at the map.
@@adrianomilovan3645 ig you are talking about coast only
@@saadahmad3870 Banja Luka and Bihać are far away from the Adriati coast. They are in Bosnia.
o well you got bit of truth at end appreciated!!!
Interesting documentary. 👍🇦🇱
There is one very important fact you didn’t put. Few years before Alexander was killed Serbian nationalist representative killed leading Croatian representatives in parliament and after that he introduced dictatorship which led to uprising. Pavelic was one of those representatives but he manage to survive. Few months after that he was sentenced to death by Alexander and ran to Italy where he founded Ustashe. I don’t know why you skiped that part but that’s definitely not nice way to create historical content.
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@@misocveticanin578 - 🇭🇷 🤝 🇦🇱
@@ToxicVaccines_HivHoax Igracemo izgleda i peti set...
@@nebojsanesic5603 - English.
Same situation in manipur now
Joseph bro Tito was an amazing man to accomplish what he accomplished. Playing both sides
Thank you for dealing with the topic however, there are informations that are incorrect, misleading, superficial and so on…
I was just in Dubrovnik. Seeing videos of that siege is mind blowing
Come visit Serbia brother
@@youtubestermsofservic3799 Its just so crazy to think there could be old men around there that were involved in or supported some scary things.
It is interesting to note that out of the 93 generals in the Independent State of Croatia, 13 were Orthodox, including Đuro Grujić, who held the highest military rank. Additionally, some Četniks were also enlisted in the service of the Independent State of Croatia. Services of the Independent State of Croatia saved the lives of American pilots in one occasion, and on the other occasion Četniks as official representatives of the former Yugoslavia savet other group of American pilots. All of these facts contribute to a complex and difficult-to-understand picture, as opposed to the simplified mainstream narrative during communist Yugoslavia.
They were of Serbian descent but identified as Croats. Many of modern day Croats are ethnic Serbs with Croatian national identity.
@@cesticvaljda he said they were orthodox, its your problem that you connect thos with being serbian. Actually, it portrays beautyfully the paradox of your comment.
@@igorsvacic217 Because orthodox people in Croatia and Bosnia are all ethnic Serbs. There is no historical evidence of influence of orthodox church on ethnic Croats, mass baptising of Croats performed by orthodox church etc. And im sure that you know that, but you are pretending to be fool just to prove your point.
@cesticvaljda classic serbian myth... You mean ALL serbs are ethnic croats they are just of orthodox fate... This is easy to prove if you look at history normally and not like serbs, who's view of history is the world was created when their first royal bloodline nemanjić was established. Nemanjić "serbian" dinasty, was born out of sidebloodline/sidedinasty of croatian royal bloodline trpimirović😂😂😂serbs just like ignore all history before nemanjić dinasty...
@@cesticvaljda Don't bother with Croatian nationalists. They're just weird with their bizarre theories, such as Tito was either Jewish or Russian, Croats are of Iranian origin etc.
We are all the same with the different views,we can do better to United hope for new bright ideas to lead to get together as a one nation of South Slavs
There has never been a nation, there will never be a nation. I loathe nationalists and their results, the nations. I am a Croatian patriot with heart and soul. I am a European out of insight and conviction, out of love for my continent, Europe. You seem to be the descendant of Turkish slaves (Serbs). We have never been the same, we have only offered some of you refuge from the Turks. Nema kod nas zajednistva. Mi smo vam pruzili ruku, vi ste nam pljunuli u ruku. To je to! Gonite se gamad koju su Turci igrom slucaja zaboravili na Balkanu.
k. slovenian and macedonian were slightly different, but serb, croat, bosniak, and all the rest spoke the same language. it wasn't even different dialects, it was just varying accents. A serb could 100% understand a croat, and bosnian, and everyone! At worse, it was like an Texan trying to understand a Scot. but they still spoke the same language
Should I remind you that there was a large number of albanians who have nothing to do with the slavic people of Yugoslavia?😉😉😉😉
Yes you do because they're all that selfish. @@you_and_tirana6056
@@you_and_tirana6056 They were minority as the turks and jews and many others, doesnt mean they have to claim as their own territory as soon as they become ressetlers over their borders.
@@hrisoflinoski4803
ALBANIANS ARE AUTHOCTONOUS, and it's a huge difference between albanians and the ones you have mentioned in your last comment 😉😉😉
@@you_and_tirana6056yes & in 1945 they made 3% of Yugoslav population that was just disarmed from SS Division Scenderbeg.
Fought for Ottomans & Nazzi Germany, always on the wrong side of history.
What's your point ?
This area of the continent--What do they produce? What do they export?
We export farts u wanna buy some!?
Copper, lead, zinc and other chemicals
Yugo - The Car.
a lot things
ZASTAVA weapons,Ćevapi and Burek 😊
ICTY did not try crimes against peace (aggression), like in Nurnberg.
No mention of the assasination of Stjepan Radic (Croat politician) in 1928?
Thank you, years ago I had a friend that was Lithuanian, different area of course, but the same national pride.
Years ago I had a friend of the cousin of the wife of a neighbor that was African, different area of course, but the same national pride.
🤣🤣
Superpowers put it together and broke it apart.
The war was from 1991 may to may 1995 roughly. Where does the 10 yet come on?
He was a austrian solider against serbs in ww1
The fact is that brotherhood among people is still there and growing again....the people loved one another and alot still do...but it mever was and never will be as the original idea was...
What brotherhood?We the Bosniaks will not forget or forgive what they did to us!Never!There is no brotherhood never agin.Once we belived and genocide happend to us!
Five hundred years of Ottoman rule (or “the Turkish yoke” as commonly heard in Bulgaria), which ended with the Russian-Ottoman war, have intensely marked the Bulgarian consciousness.
C c c.
Fellow Lazer eyes, what does yoke mean?
@@muteness He is Bulgaian Muslim who tries to translate a Bulgarian expression in English. As a ren
egade he wants to prove how loyal is he.
Under Ottoman rule, they all lived in peace together.
@@muteness Yoke in this case means servitude or bondage.
The voices & actions of angry men lead to violence & war. The women & young children live in fear.😢
Remember Jasenovac over 700k was killed
People say Yugoslavia failed because of ethnic tensions, but the truth is that the economic collaps preceeded the ethnic tensions. Tito's communist economic policy and industrial development had failed. As long as he was alive he managed to cover the desaster by taking out foreign loans, which he negotiated with his charisma. But in the 1980ies - when there was a crisis in heavy industry all over Europe - the whole fragility of Yugoslavia's economy became visible. When Tito's successors could not take out new loans, so they financed their debt by printing money. The Yugoslav dinar had incredible rates of inflation. Only with this catastrophic economic development ethnic tensions started to rise again.
Not so true. You forget to mention his debt was big 18% of bdp, you forget to mention rise of servian and croatian nationalism which died in 2ww and that is maybe the biggest reason
"Tito's communist economic policy"
There was nothing "communist" about the economic policy of Yugoslavia.
Ethnicity wow, Roman Catholics where free ppl. Most of Muslim and Serbian where connected or had connection with KPY or SFRY.They never when to church or attended the Mosque for praying. This two group of ppl never belived in anything except alcohol and woman and money.Either father or mother where involved in Communist Party. Once Russia has fallen. The Western Europe had only one more obstacle to get rid of and that was Ex Yugoslavia. There where no debt of any kind. Have look United States right now from East Coast to West Coast abounded city's high rate of homelessness, high crime rate,shooting every day.
My question did any of this happened in Ex Yugoslavia No never .
That's very interesting. I remember my dad showing me some incredibly inflated Yugoslavian currency but I had never considered that in conjunction with the crisis in Kosovo during the 80s.
As I read somewhere it was 3rd worst hyperinflation in history. I was 5 back then, so I remember very little, but my mom told me there were cases of getting your salary in the morning(which could get you through a month) turning into worthless paper by noon.
You forgot to mention one very important event in Kingdom of Yugoslavia: the assassination of Croatian leader Stjepan Radić and 4 others Croatian Members of parliament in 1928 in Belgrade parliament by Serbian radical Puniša Račić
Before this incident there was no Ustašha.
Exactly. This is a very sloppy done documentary which narrates the events from one sided perspective. It's also made in Yugo-romantic tone.
@@magare1The radical Ustashas still existed back then but they were a very small group (technically non-existent)
NO THEY DID NOT. @@unamis022
As long as the masacre of Serbs is understood!
Croats should be lucky to be under a Yugoslav union post 1st world war.
As a child of mix Marriage, I regret that union of slovenians Croats and Serbs.
Serbs were the winners , they paid a huge price in the WWI…
To the author. If you say Tito was a Dictator, you simply disqualify yourself as a historian.
Of three Army generals with some general rank obtained during the war until 1945, all three were national Croats. There were the most Croats in all units that led serious military offensive operations in 1944 until 1945. Josip Broz Tito gave, in mid-1944, speaking about the ethnic composition of his army, data on 44% Serbs, 30% Croats, etcetera. Serbs made up about 41% of the population in the area of Yugoslavia, and in the partisan units 44%, while, Croats with about 23% of the population, 30%. In the fateful negotiations on the future of Yugoslavia after the war, the negotiators from the partisan side were Croats Josip Broz and Vladimir Bakarić, and from the royalist Ivan Šubašić, ban of Croatia. Regarding culture in partisans, Croats created the only "culture" worth mentioning. The most prominent artists in the partisans were Croats, or Croatian Serbs, identified with Croatian culture.
Well, what ever happened over the last 80+ years in the Balkans, this Scotsman loves Croatia & all the fine people I have met there in my visits. Smashing people who made me & my fellow Scots welcome & also a nation of stunningly beautiful women. I for one, will always have a place in my heart for Croatia & her people.
Croatian partisans were 90% Serbs. End.
@@fantommorbius5175
Yes, after the order of the king from London! And this is Belgrade in 1944, which was occupied by 4 Germans....czcams.com/video/yeOOQYkMyNE/video.html
@@malimate2660 Before and after, 90% Serbs. Where were yours?
While it was thick (1941-43), while Hitler was advancing on all fronts, the units of the resistance movement (one of them was the partisans) were composed mainly of Serbs. There were very few Croats (only Croatian communists). The rest of the Croats were on the side of the Nazis, the Ustasha. But after the Battle of Stalingrad, after the capitulation of Italy, when it was clear that the Germans were losing the war, only then did Croats begin to join the "victorious" partisan units (1944-45). Thus we arrive at the percentages you state, from which you draw conclusions that do not reflect things as they really were.
Number of partisans in Nedić's Serbia was negligible until the Red Army from Soviet Union came in 1944.
Nedić's Serbia was "Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia" and was, de facto, directly controlled by Germans. It is extremely important to illuminate the fact how important and vital was the "Moravian Corridor" to Germans, connecting Greece to the central Europe via "Vardar Corridor". Strategically, it was essential for Germans to keep Serbia clean of any resistance and therefore, as soon as Partisans realized futility of their operations, they relocated to Bosnia and Herzegovina, where already was much more significant operational development. Politically, Serbia was broadly, not only unfamiliar with the communist ideas but rather cemented in monarchy. So, whatever the participation in action Partisans have taken, they did it in coordination with Royalist / Chetniks. with whom they split after some time. Partisans were not welcomed in Serbia and, Serbs had relative peace as long they did not rebel. Contrary to to that, in so called "Independent State of Croatia", Serbs were being massacred, hunted and officially put out of the law, together with Jews and Roma. In Dalmatia, for example, where Italians were in control, they supported or tolerated Royalists / Chetniks, much to their favor because Italy had the ambition to incorporate whole Kvarner Gulf, Dalmatia, and if not whole than parts of Slovenia, Herzegovina, Montenegro, Albania and Greece in Greater Italy. Being their puppies, Ustashe were even "Monarchy", under Italian King and were not allowed to police these areas as freely as in Bosnia, Slavonia or Croatia proper, where they perpetuated a genocide, triggering a strong resistance. Only after the fall of Italy, in 1943, more significant number of ethnic Croats, mainly from coastal areas and islands, joined Partisans and fought bravely.
@@brankoprosic5852 You are speaking of black propaganda during the war (Dakelman's memorandum or Valerijan's memorandum of Serbian Orthodox Church) neglecting Serbian strategic plan of Stevan Moljević from June 1941 "Homogena Srbija". Real figures and real context tells a different story. Stjepan Lozo in his book showed this, https : //www . youtube . com/watch?v=Lo0DEtiX_6k&pp=ygUMc3RqZXBhbiBsb3pv
@@croatianhistoryandidentity8261 If your only source is an dangerously subjective revisionist Stjepan Lozo, then, I am afraid, you lack broader spectrum of sources.
@@brankoprosic5852 "dangerously subjective revisionist Stjepan Lozo" LOL
Croats exterminated whole Nikola Tesla wider family, killing 150 family members. You can find exact name of people killed.
little fires everywhere
There was no ethnic conflict in Bosnia, but plan of Croatia ans Serbia to devide Bosnia. Plan that is centuries old and tried but never succeeded.
mi smo zbog njih i poludeli
Watch movie series Black Sun (Senke nad Balkanom)...
bakas sarma hits hard. still waiting on the day she turns over that grave with a kuhaca!
Is this the PBS documentary with the same title ?
Nothing new under the sun. You know who was the Trojan horse in this story too.
Za vrijeme Tina nije bilo nacionalizma a danas ga ima i on je to država kako se spada
@12:24 now you know how poor animals feel in transport, and still you keep doing it to them!!!
the damn otomans..
Ottoman empire the supreme state, they are savior of humanity because they have clean something diry, guilty, filty and trashing thing in the balkans and asia minor for 500 years , ❤❤❤
The serb also have been enslave by the ottoman empire and yukoslavia 🤮🤮🤮
First fall! It wasn’t ethnic conflict, it was national conflict. Nationals with big differences in culture, history, religion, language, economic, below in to the West civilization or East civilization and ….Present reality showing who is who and where beloved.
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The true is that king gave to there sons names as Serbian and Croatian. But Croatian discovered there final independent from Austro-Hungarian and wanted there separations, even the Serbs fought for it. So they killed the king and started working on independents. Then unconsciously the Croatian comunist dictator Tito come in power and separated everything.
This are SAD learn history!!!! bravo
You could have made an effort and told the real truth about the origin of the Ustasha movement. Namely, in 1928, in the National Assembly of Yugoslavia, at the instigation of King Alexander, two Croatian representatives were killed by Serbian nationalists, one was mortally wounded and later died, and two were seriously wounded. This was the reason for King Alexander to dissolve the Assembly, ban all political parties and introduce a dictatorship. This was the reason for the establishment of the Ustaše movement, known as the Ustaniks. King Alexander dreamed of a Serbian empire based on the medieval Serbian empire of Emperor Dušan. And to make the absurdity even greater, the assassin of the Croatian representatives was punished with house arrest, not prison or any other punishment.That is the true reason for the creation of the Ustasha movement.
Actually it was not. Stjepan Radic is completely different strain of Croatian nationalists than Ustasa. Radic was not clerical at all actually was anticlerical while ustasa movement is clerical-fascist. I dont even exlude tha Ustase could kill Radic if he was not assassinated
@@samist8792 You actually didn't understand the gist of my comment at all. The Ustashe movement was born after the assassination of the National Assembly, which was the reason for King Alexander to dissolve the Assembly and ban all political parties, and to adopt a censored Constitution. At the same time, with a stroke of his pen, he redrew the borders of the republics and took away from Croatia parts of the territory that it had brought into Yugoslavia when it joined the alliance. This was the real reason for the establishment of the Ustashi movement. All this happened in 1928, and the Ustasha movement was founded after that, that is, in 1929. In no case do I justify the Ustasha crimes committed by them, and I fully agree with you that Radić himself could have been a later victim of the Ustasha. In the Jasenovac camp, in addition to Jews, Serbs and Roma, victims were also unwitting Croats who did not agree with the Ustasha ideology. The point of my comment is that King Alexander caused the creation of the Ustasha movement with his Great Serbian and aggressive policy.
But you didnt say anything different than what i said. I am not justifying killing of Radic - i am just staying that ideologically he was polar opposite to the ustasa movement. If you let me to expand i am indirectly saying that it is wrong to put all croats under the the same banner of ustasa movement. Croat political landscape was always complex, a lot of croats are embarrassed by ustasa movement. If during the second world war croatia as led by Radic there would be 0 chance of clerofascist policies, 0% chance of genocide on Serbs etc. Radic is simply incompatible with Ustasa ideology.
Finally someone who seems to have a clue about the matter. Chapeau. I read here for hours and find only contributions from semi-illiterate or Serbian intellectuals, i.e. even lower level than semi-illiterate. None of the experts seen here goes into the real reasons for the Croatian uprising against the Serbs. Are they all uneducated? Or is that intentional? Dreaming of Greater Serbia, the Serbs have been committing genocide against their neighbors since World War I.
Друже, не разумем позив на истинито приказивање догађаја.
Није ли ово место да се испразнимо и изгубимо време до неког новог клања.
Кога занима истина и чему то служи?
Историју ће писати победници, истина ће остати скривена.
Победници ће опљачкати губитнике, порушити им споменике и подићи старије и лепше, преорати гробља, узети им децу.
Проблем једино имају верујући.Они би неку правду, неку истину...Но са њима победници лако изађу на крај.
Победници те увере да ти је мајмун рођак, да мушко може бити мајка, да краве прдежом уништавају кисеоник, па како неће да су усташе добри момци.
Опуштено до психопатије.
Great and really factual documentary. Thanks!
Not factual at all actually.
@freestyle8886 this is actually a disaster, this documentary twisted things so much it should be viewed as a movie based on real events😂😂😂
Yugoslavia existed for the better part of the 20th century, from the 1910s to the early 1990s in notable stability, barring minor incidents which the West blows vastly out of proportion to substantiate its premise of Balkanization - a neologism (that has fairly little substantiation in history and ethnography) they've invented for the mere purpose of justifying a number of aggressive and detrimental attempts of subverting the resurging Balkanite states of Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria, as a retaliation for the three's role in the defeat of the Ottoman Empire (the West's long-lasting ally), and the liberation of the whole peninsula of the aforementioned's rule. Serbia has especially earned the enmity of the Western powers as a result of her endeavors in WW1 which have shattered the Old World order and initiated a subsequent, yet steep withering of the traditional global, colonial powers of the world, and Yugoslavia has established its foreign policy on emancipating the Third World under its leadership and preventing the Western powers from re-establishing themselves as the governing body of its former colonies in Africa, Asia, and the Near East, thus effectively cutting them off from their vital wells of natural resources, thus relegating the West ever-further to the status of mere vassals of the USA. In both cases of Yugoslavia's destruction, meaning in 1941, and 1992, it was destroyed by the hostile foreign policies of great powers, so this "plunged into chaos after Tito's death" premise is not true, and is shameful dehumanizing propaganda.
Yugoslavia was a coercive state in which the Serbs terrorized all their neighbors. Yugoslavia was a product of Serbian nationalism, which was turned into reality with the help of the Entente states in order to crush the Habsburg monarchy. Yugoslavia was a prison for all those who were not Serbs or did not want to be forcibly turned into Serbs. The report does not do justice to this fact either. Your contribution, on the other hand, is pure lying.
what is the difference between UK and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. England = Serbia. another thing what is the difference of Tito prosecuting political opponents and America's prosecuting communists that also disappeared without trace.nd do not forget Tito was a Croat so please with your imperialistic analysis. when you have Croat descended analysts here how could your truth be objective???
Ok Mersi Anpayman
He “ kept “ a balance but little do u know that Albanians had the worst. They were the most discriminated…
However, I was too little to remember but people use to say that when Tito Died the whole country was mourning, that’s how well he kept the country…every birthday of his (Tito) after his passing ,the sirens use to go off for a min. A sign of celebration…
Im sure he had his imperfections but people spoke very highly of Tito …
Kosovo was a giant black hole for money, it was the primary receiver of the fund for the underdeveloped.. in which other republics had to fund that worthless money pit due to all those children the worthless inhabitants in that province decided to produce.. you were probably one of those 7 children in each family..
Ma Albanci su vodili svjet
Albanians definitely had it rough in Yugoslavia before Tito’s reign.
However when Tito took over, there was some improvements but it took a while. By the 1970s Tito improved conditions and gave more autonomy to the Albanians, but when he passed away in 1980 the new regime that followed completely stripped Albanians of their autonomy.
Tito believed in his vision and he did try to make everyone happy, but of course that’s an impossible task. Like any politician he had his flaws, but you gotta admit it was pretty impressive on what he achieved there was no war for over 40 years in that country. Sadly the corrupt politicians who took over and induced nationalism ruined the country.
@user-om9dz9nn4k- Don’t know what you are saying as I don’t speak that language!!
Say it in English if it’s something positive, if not then don’t care to hear it !!!
U Albani od 1930 do 1990 bilo je zabranjeno biti Hrvat,Rom ili Srbin. Mogao si biti samo albanac.
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The mere fact that you called Tito "dictator" discredits you completely. But then again, the agency always has its own agenda.
Some say that Tito was Russian
a lot of stuff unexplained and using wrong maps j and some plain slander
Wow, you skipped over a bit. Here are some references to fill in some of the glaring gaps:
[1] "The Foreign Policy of Serbia (1844-1867): IIija Garašanin's Načertanije" (PDF)
[2] "Albania's Golgotha" 1913-Freundlich on Robert Elsie Website
[3] "Carnegie report on the Balkan wars" 1913 (PDF)
[4] "After 100 years, the Black Hand still casts its shadow over Europe" 2018-Miletic
[3] "Croats under Yugo-Slavian Rule" 1932-Davies (PDF)
[4] "The Royal Dictatorship in Yugoslavia, 1929-1934" 1975-Shepherd (PDF)
[5] "Black Hand over Europe" 1935-Pozzi on Docdroid (PDF)
[6] "The Expulsion of the Arnauts" 1937-Cubriolvic (PDF)
[7] "Yugoslav colonization of Kosovo" Wiki
the fall of Yugoslavia shows once again a basic flaw in human nature, as long as people lived well there where no issues, when things started falling apart economically the old problems start coming back in full picture, of course whit involment of western nations who benefited from the fall of Yugoslavia aspecially America who once again played a great role of a backstabbing "friend"
America turn away from yugo in troubled times
Perhaps USA took a huge part in destroying Yugoslavia economically, culturally, and then physically. After all, who is in charge of NATO?
The post-WWI map is wrong. Istria and Fiume were part of Italy.
And not anything in the news here in the USA.
You forgot to mention here that less than 1 percent of people in Yugoslavia identified themselves as Yugoslavian by nationality.People in Hungary identify themselves as Hungarians by nationality,in Bulgaria Bulgarians,in Romania Romanians,in Albania Albanians but In Yugoslavia you could be by nationality Serb,Croat or Slovenian why rest 10 million of people identify themselves as undecided animals.Now l hope you understand why Yugoslavia fell apart.
Vrong , Tito was de best of YUGOSLAVIJA en BALKANS. The EU en USA DESTRYED de BALKANS.
The war of the 90's was in Croatia, Bosnia and Slovenija not in yugoslavija.
Initially it was in Yugoslavia because the republics were not yet recognized at first. Also, I'm slovenian, but we had a short conflict, which I would not term a war. Realistically, if JNA wanted to crush us, it could have, but they were happy to leave and focus on Croatia and Bosnia.
@@peacelove728 These countries existed long before yugoslavia was created.
@@velaglava3899They existed in Yugoslavia also. There was SR Serbia, SR Croatia, SR Bosnia itd... Yugoslavia was 6 countries united. Learn something before comment
@@worldtube7425 You missed my point. Having said that to reply on your comment that they existed in Yugoslavia, they existed long before Yugoslavia was formed or the kingdom of yug which was formed after WW I.
@@velaglava3899 Of course they existed before, that everyone know
What could Tito accomplish if he somehow created a semblance of monarchy alike to N.Korea or some hereditary state to that of China?.
This is a forgery. Not a one word about the murder of Croatian leader Stjepan Radic by Serbs simpatizer Montenegrin Puniša Račić in parliament 1928. This was the cause of the assassination of the Serbian king who imposed a dictatorship in 1929.
How could inter-ethnic conflict "go back centuries'' when centuries ago they were all one ethnic group?
@@THINKincessantly I don't know what that means, sorry.
Easy, 3 types of faith, and 7 countries where 3 of them are forbidden to exist (but they do exist). Add nationalism extreme and there you go
No not quite bear mind it’s where Occident meets the Orient- you have several conflict zones fuelled by race, ethnicity, religion and irredentism; quite a toxic and explosive mix when combined with nationalism and war.
No not quite: bear mind it’s where Occident meets the Orient - you have several conflict zones fuelled by race, ethnicity, religion and irredentism; quite a toxic and explosive mix when combined with nationalism, political ideology and war.
I don’t think they were ever one ethnic group, but under one nationality one way or the other
More then 80 000 people in Jasenovac.
It's more 800 000 only in Jasenovac, and those who were thrown in the Sava river whit the comment from the Croats "meat for the Belgrade marketplace" amount to almost
1 200 000
peopel in the Independet State of Croatia.
Sorry Milan, but your numbers are nothing else then a part of Serbian fake mitology. Serbian statistician Bogoljub Kočović, already in 1985 estimated the actual total WW2 losses of the pre-war territory of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia at 1,014,000, which was confirmed by demographer Vladimir Žerjavić, whose 1989 estimate was 1,027,000 deaths. Out of this estimation is that 53% were civilians, and 47% were members of various military forces. This was tragic enough so no need for spreading false facts.
@@pedrox6863 Actually, The Jasenovac victims toll is exaggerated. It is perhaps somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000. If you understand Croatian, type in search narod Jasenovac Banić Koić.
@milansimonovic8267 Do you have any evidence for that, or are you just lying?
@@urvanhroboatos8044 if I undrstand Croatian🤣🤣🤣
You speak the Štokavski dialect if the Serbian language,
Ask Hitler about the Jews is what you are saying to me?
@@josiprakovac3284 their are still bones to tell the truth, if the Croatian goverment will they would dig the bones up and tell the truth.
But Tito was a Croat and from 70 years of Titos Yugoslavia 50 years the Croats were in power. So the truth was not in their interest. But the people how started diging and sudenly stopef say that their are 800 000 bodies buried.
yougo slavia needs to be divided like berlin after ww2
Why?
Milosevic = Goldman Sachs
They can say whatever, but in short the only reason Yugoslavian civilization broke was lack of strong leadership after Tito's death. Balkans is on crossroad of different cultures and world powers and as such it is hot spot where world problems can be seen more directly. And it is in that geopolitical spot since before roman empire existed. This means any country in that region without strong leadership is super vulnerable by default. No new formed stated that arose on ashes of Yugoslavia is really stable to this day. Not even EU or NATO can change much about that.
Ah and balkanization which is fragmentation within larger states, regions or societies is now global thing, so you can even say that Yugoslav doom was ominous sign of things that would come to the world... no escape he he he. Ignore what is going in the Balkans on your own risk.
What a load of crap those on Goli Otok got released after Tito's death and look what they did to Yugoslavia. He should have gotten rid of them all!
Speaking about religion you omitted to spell very important fact
Communist party of Macedonia that had about 1% supporters in 1945, requested the establishment of the Macedonian Orthodox church !
Their request was obeyed 2 years ago.
So cut the story short, what was ongoing in 1941, got intermediate solution in Tehran agreement 1943 and was re activated in 1991.
Instead of Nazzi Germany we have Drang nah osten performed by EU.
Extension currently in Ukraine ....
Cheers
You forgot to mention how cruel Cetniks were in 1940 to 1945? Do your History right
Balkans are the diamond of europe❤the most beautiful place in Europe , especially Greece, Albania and Croatia
Try Montenegro, it's mix of all.
But they have been enslave by yukoslavia and ottoman empire 🤣🤣🤣
And Romania
I am from Croatia and there is no serbo-croat language only croatian language and serbian language.
Nothing artificial exist and last neither Yugoslavia.
What makes a nation in the first place,,,,,,Language,,,,Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims speak the same language,,and I consider it to be one and the same nation, but western politics interfered after the fall of the Berlin Wall and Yugoslavia was the first target of the NATO pact to break it up,.,,,,,unfortunately
You neglected to include the ethnic genocide cleansing of German villages that had existed for hundreds of years there after world War II
Not sorry for Jugus lavia,didn't the start the WW1 ?
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Josip Broz was not Croat.
His true identity is hidden.
He could never speak Croatian nor Serbo Croatian language.
How about Turkey? I see Turkey is a NATO member.
Very shalow, flawed and inaccurate documentary. Classical western view of breakup of Yugoslavia with little to no understanding of situation, reasons for the rise of the nationalism , sentiments of the people of each ethnic group etc. West was defining factor in yugo split; UN poor peacekeeping, US arming confronting sides and supporting seccesion that wasn't legal according to yugoslav constitution... Watch following documentary if you want proper understanding of the whole mess czcams.com/video/ij1cOUTBtJM/video.html
Ono kad kanal s imenom Get factual odma na početku stavi krivu kartu Jugoslavije.Toliko o ozbiljnosti i točnosti.Još jedan površan dokumentarac u moru sličnih..
Suverent Jugoslav Republik Macedonia in FILMS : Young Macedonia ( actor role Momchilo Gavrich ), Ilindenian rebelion (rebelion lider Goce Delchev ) !!! Serbian-Macedonian cooproduction FILM : The fredom on Skoplje ( actors Rade Sherbedjia, Nebojsa Glogovac ) ... MileR 001 ...
People should be together a there for each other Albania Serbia Macedonia all🤝
Doren e pajtimit e shtrin agresori jo viktima o shqipe. Shoqeria serbe dhe shteti serb nuk ndihen fajtor per ate qe kane kryer. Ca flet ??
not true , regarding civil war!!!
Forgot to mention the Macedonia orthodox church
It is not ethnic,some other countries put their fingers.