Everywhere in Europe uses din and the Red Sea is all din, that’s a huge number of destinations and resorts. 95% doesn’t make sense at all. One major point is that with din, you have the o ring on your regs, with yoke, you rely on the o ring on the tank that could be in bad condition.
I'm not sure the Red Sea is all DIN. I dived there last year on yoke, albeit just on a discover scuba day trip. Agree in general though. My recent trip to Sicily was all DIN.
My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. Funny how people pick up on something that I didn't think was that important. Not a comment on which was better but how many locations we dive that don't have din. Thanks for watching. Freddy
Also if it is a DIN tank valve and they need an adapter for the diver using yoke, there are two orings on the adapter. One inside and one outside. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well.
Most people want to dive in more tropical destinations, not in Europe though and it’s true everywhere I’ve been is using yoke, so majority of the places and population is using yoke.
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I think you missed one quite important difference between yoke and DIN, and that is that DIN is available for 300 bar tanks. 8 or 10 ltr 300 bar steel tanks are quite common in northern Europe for recreational divers. In Asia most tanks are AL80s with DIN valve, but they use them with a yoke adapter. The 95% is probably for the Americas. Other areas in the world are more mixed.
You are correct. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. I sometimes forget my audience is global and not so much just America. I like the taste of crow now. Thanks for watching. Freddy
Man, you are correct. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. My point wasn't which was better just more prominent in the world. I do get side tracked thinking my audience is only in America. Not so today but global. Sorry for not including Europe or Egypt on my research. Thanks for keeping it real. Freddy
More and more dive shops are replacing their Yoke valves by DIN valves plus DIN to Yoke Adapter, even in Asia. So they can handle both styles by just screwing that thing in or out. I definitely disagree with the 95% as well. I'm diving DIN and not one single time I had to use my Yoke adapter, diving in Egypt, Indonesia and the Philippines. Technically there is not even one reason why you should prefer Yoke.
I do agree that many are changing. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. Thanks for watching. Freddy
An advantage of the DIN type 1st stage, which might matter to some and was not mentioned, is also it weighs less ( ~150-200g / ~6-8oz, depending on brand and model, I looked at Cressi and Mares) and the overal shape (in my opinnion) is more compact since you don't have the knob/lever behind the cylinder. Here in the EU online shops, they ask the same price for either DIN or Yoke.
You're forgetting that yoke isn't used in high pressure tanks. I use HP100's. Same size as an AL80. They fill to 3500 psi. I challenge you to find a yoke valve rated to that pressure. It's not a big deal to convert. With my DIN reg, I can easily convert to yoke. However yoke cannot convert to DIN. So I have the flexibility to use any style valve. With yoke, I'm limited to yoke only.
Last year my LDS recommended that I get a new regulator to replace my aging Mares MR22, which had a yoke valve. After doing some research I decided on an Atomic Z2 with a DIN valve. (As I understood it, the Z2 has the same breathing characteristics as the more expensive Atomic regulators and since I had the LDS put my Miflex hoses on the new regulator I didn't need the swivel.) The price of the DIN and yoke regulator was the same. All the places I dive use pro valves which convert between DIN and yoke. Here are the differences that I found. The DIN regulator is easier to travel with since it weighs less and is more compact. With DIN, responsibility for the o-ring shifts from the dive operator to the diver. And, you need to know what size o-ring your regulator uses. (Purchase before you need it.) My MR22 came with a quality dust cover. The Atomic came with a cheap ass dust cover that is only good for keeping dust out. Purchase a quality dust cover if you expect to dip your regulator in a rinse tank.
I would disagree on 95% statement. It's more of 50/50 nowadays. On top of it - it's 2024 and any reputable dive shop uses a convertor valve by now. Main difference is the pressure, but if we talking about 3000psi - there is no difference. I have a yoke, my wife have a DIN , never had a problem with finding a tank.
ya but he's talking to the rec divers, who are thinking of buying a reg. Some get lost with which to get., when most people only really need yoke, and in the long run it will make thier lives easier to get that. I read all the DIN is technically better when i was looking for a reg and got a DIN with an adapter. but I'm realizing that I really only needed the yoke version since most of the time I'm renting tanks and i have to use the adapter all the time. I'm not tech, maybe one day I will be... but in no way will your first rec reg be your tech reg. so I'll second the make it easy on yourself and don't buy the "cream de la cream" as you start a sport.
@marcg2233 using DIN with adapter is essentially killing all the benefits of it. For rec diver the main difference probably will be who is responsible for o-ring. If you have yoke - dive shop problem. If you have din - your problem. I use yoke myself, I've seen few o-rings blow out here and there, but if you pay attention to it , you will not have a problem. I had shearwater transmitter blow up in my face few weeks back, and it's the best you can get , and it still can fail apparently.
exactly, I made that mistake cause I read the wrong info. (yay hindsight) what i'm saying his audience isn't tech divers but people getting into rec diving. it's not about which is better, but which will make the new divers life easier.
@marcg2233 I think in today's world , both will be easy. Convertor valves become a norm more and more. I like the DIN since it's a bit more compact, but not to the point where I'm gonna go thru trouble of selling my Yoke to buy DIN. Yoke is doing it's job just fine for me, my wife have a DIN just because that's was in stock and on sale when we got it.
@@amadeuss3341 I agree. If you mostly dive a location that uses DIN then a DIN regulator could make sense. But a new diver hunting a product would mostly be served with a Yoke. Again, not commenting on which is better just what most recreational divers might choose verses Tech diver. Thanks for making it a better conversation. Freddy
Hi Freddy and thank you for the video. I was just getting ready to change to DIN and now I"m rethinking it. I am a recreational diver but love wreck diving. I'm a big guy and sometimes the openings are tight. I have "banged" my first stage on the top of several openings, even though I'm really trying not to. I have this fear that I'll knock the reg right off of the valve. I have never seen anyone do that but I have heard others tell me they've seen it. I believe that is why cave divers use DIN exclusively. That coupled with the fact that 99% of recreational divers use short hoses, it would be difficult to quickly get some help for an emergency inside a wreck where space is tight and your dive buddy is behind you or in front of you. I would love to hear your thoughts on that?
here comes the real question, do you rent your tanks or own them? cause if you rent where you dive, you'll have to use an adapter and then you're back to square 1. If it will make you feel safer, and I totaly get that, I can see it make sence...but, if you do you have to account shelling out for new tanks as well or the benefits are nill. discalimer "I run a DIN with an adapter" cause I read the "they are stronger" blogs, but have yet to buy my own tank so i'm not seeing the benefit and wish I just bought a yoke.
@@marcg2233 Convenience really isn't a factor for me regarding renting tanks. 99% of my diving is around the world, esp. Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. Just got back from Little Cayman and I noticed that they used the Yoke insert in DIN valves for those of us using Yoke. On one of my dives that O-Ring was bad and I had to get it changed before dropping in. For those using DIN, they just took the insert out for a native DIN setup. It would appear most dive resorts are going that direction and if so, I'd rather have DIN.
@@marcg2233 Well, not knowing where you've been or what kind of diving you like, you have to go to Cozumel, kind of a "right of passage" for all divers, you'll love drift diving. I really liked Roatan (Honduras), Little Cayman was nice and a little known gem in the Dutch Caribbean is a little island called Saba that was really good. Can't recommend a liveaboard called "The Valentina" highly enough, where we dove The Sea of Cortez around La Paz, diving with Sea Lions was awesome. We're going to Bonaire in November, heard nothing but good things and we're going to Thailand in February. Happy to give a report on both of those when I get back. Happy diving!
Everywhere in Europe uses din and the Red Sea is all din, that’s a huge number of destinations and resorts. 95% doesn’t make sense at all. One major point is that with din, you have the o ring on your regs, with yoke, you rely on the o ring on the tank that could be in bad condition.
I'm not sure the Red Sea is all DIN. I dived there last year on yoke, albeit just on a discover scuba day trip. Agree in general though. My recent trip to Sicily was all DIN.
My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. Funny how people pick up on something that I didn't think was that important. Not a comment on which was better but how many locations we dive that don't have din. Thanks for watching. Freddy
Also if it is a DIN tank valve and they need an adapter for the diver using yoke, there are two orings on the adapter. One inside and one outside. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well.
Most people want to dive in more tropical destinations, not in Europe though and it’s true everywhere I’ve been is using yoke, so majority of the places and population is using yoke.
Freddy, you are the best, thanks for keep making theee videos for us. You are the best educator and the best scuba gear channel on CZcams hands down. 🥰
Wow, thanks! You are my new favorite viewer! You are so kind. Will keep putting more out. Thanks for watching. More to come soon. Freddy
I think you missed one quite important difference between yoke and DIN, and that is that DIN is available for 300 bar tanks. 8 or 10 ltr 300 bar steel tanks are quite common in northern Europe for recreational divers. In Asia most tanks are AL80s with DIN valve, but they use them with a yoke adapter.
The 95% is probably for the Americas. Other areas in the world are more mixed.
You are correct. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. I sometimes forget my audience is global and not so much just America. I like the taste of crow now. Thanks for watching. Freddy
95% ? Ok. Almost all of Europe is 95% DIN, Egypt 95% DIN... Love the chanel
Man, you are correct. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. My point wasn't which was better just more prominent in the world. I do get side tracked thinking my audience is only in America. Not so today but global. Sorry for not including Europe or Egypt on my research. Thanks for keeping it real. Freddy
More and more dive shops are replacing their Yoke valves by DIN valves plus DIN to Yoke Adapter, even in Asia. So they can handle both styles by just screwing that thing in or out.
I definitely disagree with the 95% as well. I'm diving DIN and not one single time I had to use my Yoke adapter, diving in Egypt, Indonesia and the Philippines.
Technically there is not even one reason why you should prefer Yoke.
I do agree that many are changing. My survey was done in Caribbean, Fiji, Indonesia, South Pacific and America. I have been corrected for places like Egypt and I guess growing in Europe as well. Thanks for watching. Freddy
German here, enyoing your Videos, short Clarification
DIN: Deutsche Industrie Norm = german industry standard
Thank you for the explanation. Sorry I butchered the language. Thanks for watching. Freddy
An advantage of the DIN type 1st stage, which might matter to some and was not mentioned, is also it weighs less ( ~150-200g / ~6-8oz, depending on brand and model, I looked at Cressi and Mares) and the overal shape (in my opinnion) is more compact since you don't have the knob/lever behind the cylinder. Here in the EU online shops, they ask the same price for either DIN or Yoke.
Correct. Thanks for adding good info. Thanks for watching. Freddy
You're forgetting that yoke isn't used in high pressure tanks. I use HP100's. Same size as an AL80. They fill to 3500 psi. I challenge you to find a yoke valve rated to that pressure.
It's not a big deal to convert. With my DIN reg, I can easily convert to yoke. However yoke cannot convert to DIN. So I have the flexibility to use any style valve. With yoke, I'm limited to yoke only.
Good to know. Thanks for enriching the content. Freddy
Last year my LDS recommended that I get a new regulator to replace my aging Mares MR22, which had a yoke valve. After doing some research I decided on an Atomic Z2 with a DIN valve. (As I understood it, the Z2 has the same breathing characteristics as the more expensive Atomic regulators and since I had the LDS put my Miflex hoses on the new regulator I didn't need the swivel.) The price of the DIN and yoke regulator was the same. All the places I dive use pro valves which convert between DIN and yoke. Here are the differences that I found. The DIN regulator is easier to travel with since it weighs less and is more compact. With DIN, responsibility for the o-ring shifts from the dive operator to the diver. And, you need to know what size o-ring your regulator uses. (Purchase before you need it.) My MR22 came with a quality dust cover. The Atomic came with a cheap ass dust cover that is only good for keeping dust out. Purchase a quality dust cover if you expect to dip your regulator in a rinse tank.
Great information. Thanks for sharing. Freddy
I would disagree on 95% statement. It's more of 50/50 nowadays.
On top of it - it's 2024 and any reputable dive shop uses a convertor valve by now.
Main difference is the pressure, but if we talking about 3000psi - there is no difference.
I have a yoke, my wife have a DIN , never had a problem with finding a tank.
ya but he's talking to the rec divers, who are thinking of buying a reg. Some get lost with which to get., when most people only really need yoke, and in the long run it will make thier lives easier to get that.
I read all the DIN is technically better when i was looking for a reg and got a DIN with an adapter. but I'm realizing that I really only needed the yoke version since most of the time I'm renting tanks and i have to use the adapter all the time.
I'm not tech, maybe one day I will be... but in no way will your first rec reg be your tech reg. so I'll second the make it easy on yourself and don't buy the "cream de la cream" as you start a sport.
@marcg2233 using DIN with adapter is essentially killing all the benefits of it.
For rec diver the main difference probably will be who is responsible for o-ring. If you have yoke - dive shop problem. If you have din - your problem.
I use yoke myself, I've seen few o-rings blow out here and there, but if you pay attention to it , you will not have a problem.
I had shearwater transmitter blow up in my face few weeks back, and it's the best you can get , and it still can fail apparently.
exactly, I made that mistake cause I read the wrong info. (yay hindsight) what i'm saying his audience isn't tech divers but people getting into rec diving. it's not about which is better, but which will make the new divers life easier.
@marcg2233 I think in today's world , both will be easy. Convertor valves become a norm more and more.
I like the DIN since it's a bit more compact, but not to the point where I'm gonna go thru trouble of selling my Yoke to buy DIN. Yoke is doing it's job just fine for me, my wife have a DIN just because that's was in stock and on sale when we got it.
@@amadeuss3341 I agree. If you mostly dive a location that uses DIN then a DIN regulator could make sense. But a new diver hunting a product would mostly be served with a Yoke. Again, not commenting on which is better just what most recreational divers might choose verses Tech diver. Thanks for making it a better conversation. Freddy
Hi Freddy and thank you for the video. I was just getting ready to change to DIN and now I"m rethinking it. I am a recreational diver but love wreck diving. I'm a big guy and sometimes the openings are tight. I have "banged" my first stage on the top of several openings, even though I'm really trying not to. I have this fear that I'll knock the reg right off of the valve. I have never seen anyone do that but I have heard others tell me they've seen it. I believe that is why cave divers use DIN exclusively. That coupled with the fact that 99% of recreational divers use short hoses, it would be difficult to quickly get some help for an emergency inside a wreck where space is tight and your dive buddy is behind you or in front of you. I would love to hear your thoughts on that?
here comes the real question, do you rent your tanks or own them? cause if you rent where you dive, you'll have to use an adapter and then you're back to square 1. If it will make you feel safer, and I totaly get that, I can see it make sence...but, if you do you have to account shelling out for new tanks as well or the benefits are nill.
discalimer "I run a DIN with an adapter" cause I read the "they are stronger" blogs, but have yet to buy my own tank so i'm not seeing the benefit and wish I just bought a yoke.
@@marcg2233 Convenience really isn't a factor for me regarding renting tanks. 99% of my diving is around the world, esp. Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. Just got back from Little Cayman and I noticed that they used the Yoke insert in DIN valves for those of us using Yoke. On one of my dives that O-Ring was bad and I had to get it changed before dropping in. For those using DIN, they just took the insert out for a native DIN setup. It would appear most dive resorts are going that direction and if so, I'd rather have DIN.
@@zstanman482 if that's the case cool, means I made the right choice, first time. I just need to start diving those resorts:) any recommendations?
@@marcg2233 Well, not knowing where you've been or what kind of diving you like, you have to go to Cozumel, kind of a "right of passage" for all divers, you'll love drift diving. I really liked Roatan (Honduras), Little Cayman was nice and a little known gem in the Dutch Caribbean is a little island called Saba that was really good. Can't recommend a liveaboard called "The Valentina" highly enough, where we dove The Sea of Cortez around La Paz, diving with Sea Lions was awesome. We're going to Bonaire in November, heard nothing but good things and we're going to Thailand in February. Happy to give a report on both of those when I get back. Happy diving!
@@zstanman482 thanks i'll check those for the next trip.