Yoke is from the 'stone age' of diving but has served us well so far. Only consumer and legislative changes will decide the dominate connectors in the future. A
Yoke WAS popular indeed, but it is a legacy connector. That simple. It's an old connector with the two main downsides being the lower pressure supported but more importantly the risk of loosing the o-ring. There is absolutely no reason to use yoke right now unless you have old equipment. DIN is a better and safer connector in all possible ways and it supports the ability to be adapted to the old connector style. Unless you have a religious belief, I can't understand why are you so fixated with yoke. It exists, it works, but let it die in peace ✌️
As a beginner diver I agree. Been diving in the Caribbean with tanks that are out in the sun the entire day. Already had 3 tanks with faulty o-rings and frankly they all look terrible. Bought a DIN regulator now and it has my very own o-ring that I can keep in pristine condition.
It is mandatory for pressures above 3442 psi. As for compact, it's a personal preference. Read the comments for this video to get an idea of the passion some divers have for either. Almost like saying split fins are the best ever!! A
DIN all the way for me... and with our Yoke adaptors we have the best of both worlds. The only downside (minor) was getting the DIN onto and off of the tanks. Can be a bit trickier than Yoke, but I still prefer DIN overall!!
@@amadeuss3341he is using adapter when he travells, not at home, thats what most people do, they have din for home and cary adapter if they travell. Din is much safer its proven
@aliasincognito0 I will assume that you didn't read my question since you were very quick to point out your sidemount cave achievements. I asked what kind of benefits you getting from D while using it with Y adapter?
👍😎🤿🇵🇭! Thanks! When I go back to the Philippines it’s a 50/50 mix but Din is becoming more popular. So it’s no problem just use an adapter to yoke on your Din first stage 😊easy!
I'd say that the DIN is mechanically superior to the yoke one aspect : after the thread is engaged, there is no way to screw the O ring seal between the tank and the regulator because the aligment is dictated by the axis of the thread of the regulator nut so it asks for less attentiom at the assembly to the tank many regulators can be either used with a DIN or a yoke style tank valve simply by switching the regulator in;et adaptor. very good topic very good video
Thank you for answering what might have been my question, Alec 😊 Although I am still highly pro-DIN, I always like to have a little history attached to the reason behind the popularity. Highly appreciated! Yoke is actually somewhat poo-pooed in some of the communities I dive in here in Denmark, but I think it also may be because we always dive with over 3000 psi. I do find DIN more convenient also. If I have to come up with a defense for yoke though, I guess it is sometimes easier to unscrew ;)
You are right about variables like cold water and large HP tanks prefer/need DIN. Still we do have choices so divers go with what they like and know. A
Europe evolved, USA not yet laugh out loud (just joking). I like you combine tech tips with vintage scuba, pleasure to watch those old first double hose and single hose regulators. This is perfect video, I am sure you covered in the past yoke vs din. I remind of such video. Personally I use Scubapro MK25 evo and U.S. Divers/Aqua Lung DA Aqua-Master with twinset and reserve valve. Thanks for sharing great videos
I use Yoke just becaust it's more readily available and I don't have to change all my tank valves over. Ive almost exclusively bought used tanks and have never come across an al80 with a DIN connection. I did set up a pony with a DIN Regulator just because I wanted to save some space and eliminate the snag hazard of the yoke knob. However when Ive set up transfill hoses or fill whips I use a din filler with a yoke adapter so as to ensure compatibility with whatever valve I come across.
I prefer a din bc it’s so universal and you can use it for higher pressure. But even better, most dins will accept a yoke adapter! They’re super cheap and just screw on and off so there’s no reason not to own a din when for an extra $30-$130 adapter you can have both!! (I’ve never seen a yoke to din adapter and you wouldn’t bc of the pressure difference). I mostly have to use the adapter anytime I rent tanks in the US but then still have the din for travel!
thanks Alec great information. Why would a diver wear his scuba tanks upside down, iv seen this in some older movies. im a great fan of sea hunt and me and my wife also watch while we are eating I've been a drive since 1980 thanks John
Some early scuba systems like the Scott Hydro-Pak, which also featured a full face mask. The logic was the tank would not become entangled (eg kelp or fishing lines), if the valve was at the bottom. Sounds great but after the dive putting it down without banging the valve was a problem! They eventually agreed put the tank upright which is how it has been ever since. A
That is absolutely what DIN excels at, hp tanks. After that, it's a personal pick and what your diving resort uses. I have never been to a place where I count not dive, just involved either an adapter or swap hoses over. A
This video missed the point. DIN has a safer connection but demands precaution otherwise the tank thread can be damaged. In case of poor maintenance, Yoke might be better coz it is always possible to change the joint onsite but not to repair a DIN thread ...
Damaging you 1st stage threads is a big problem while most tanks have converter inserts that swap out in a minute. I don't know anyone who travels with a spare DIN threads. A
All caribbean dive locations accommodate both as tourists set the demand. It's likely that some day yokes will be a subject in my Vintage Scuba videos. A
So is using M26 whenever you go above 21% O² for tanks and regulators. Most (technical) divers don't really care and just use the regular DIN G5/8" for all regulators and maybe an adapter for the tank if they can't get it filled without M26.
DIN is not mandated in europe, I live in EU and I use DIN, all divers I know use DIN but I have seen YOKE many times, not sure who told you about mandated DIN but its not true
You sound like one of my LDS. They refuse to service my regulator set because I mix brands. They claim you are not allowed to do that because of EU rules. Total BS.
I believe for all new regs it's mad anted but the EU can't stop you diving a yoke if you had the gear. No under water tickets from the scuba police for diving a yoke in France, yet?? A
You made me laugh thinking of when I was 18 and a know it all diver with my steel 72, home made weights and custom made (by me), wetsuit. Thanks for watching. A
Love Din for its compact size and lightweight. Perfect for travel. Using Yoke feels always like using last century tech.
Yoke is from the 'stone age' of diving but has served us well so far. Only consumer and legislative changes will decide the dominate connectors in the future.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I just hope it won't stay just because its US.... like feet, gallons etc XD
Yeah, I agree. DIN feel so weird for me most of the time, so it is interesting to hear why it is popular in America :)
Yoke WAS popular indeed, but it is a legacy connector. That simple. It's an old connector with the two main downsides being the lower pressure supported but more importantly the risk of loosing the o-ring. There is absolutely no reason to use yoke right now unless you have old equipment.
DIN is a better and safer connector in all possible ways and it supports the ability to be adapted to the old connector style.
Unless you have a religious belief, I can't understand why are you so fixated with yoke. It exists, it works, but let it die in peace ✌️
I think market factors and diver choices will decide if the percentage of users changes over the years. Thanks for the comments.
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As a beginner diver I agree. Been diving in the Caribbean with tanks that are out in the sun the entire day. Already had 3 tanks with faulty o-rings and frankly they all look terrible.
Bought a DIN regulator now and it has my very own o-ring that I can keep in pristine condition.
I heard DIN was for Higher PSI and more Compact.
It is mandatory for pressures above 3442 psi. As for compact, it's a personal preference. Read the comments for this video to get an idea of the passion some divers have for either. Almost like saying split fins are the best ever!!
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DIN all the way for me... and with our Yoke adaptors we have the best of both worlds. The only downside (minor) was getting the DIN onto and off of the tanks. Can be a bit trickier than Yoke, but I still prefer DIN overall!!
Exactly about what advantages you talking when using D with Y adapter ? Less lead on your belt ?
Being able to dive either tank.. depending on where you are. The adapter weight is pretty negligible @@amadeuss3341
@@amadeuss3341he is using adapter when he travells, not at home, thats what most people do, they have din for home and cary adapter if they travell. Din is much safer its proven
Seems to have generated a lot of personal feedback on this subject. Which ever system works for you, is best.
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@aliasincognito0 I will assume that you didn't read my question since you were very quick to point out your sidemount cave achievements.
I asked what kind of benefits you getting from D while using it with Y adapter?
👍😎🤿🇵🇭! Thanks! When I go back to the Philippines it’s a 50/50 mix but Din is becoming more popular. So it’s no problem just use an adapter to yoke on your Din first stage 😊easy!
DIN is increasing in popularity but scuba is such a large sport it may be years before i do a Vintage Scuba video on old "yoke" connectors.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 👍😂🤫
I'd say that the DIN is mechanically superior to the yoke one aspect : after the thread is engaged, there is no way to screw the O ring seal between the tank and the regulator because the aligment is dictated by the axis of the thread of the regulator nut so it asks for less attentiom at the assembly to the tank
many regulators can be either used with a DIN or a yoke style tank valve simply by switching the regulator in;et adaptor.
very good topic
very good video
Thank you Jacques. All I really wanted to do was answer a views question, not start scuba's equivalent of WW3.
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Thank you for answering what might have been my question, Alec 😊 Although I am still highly pro-DIN, I always like to have a little history attached to the reason behind the popularity. Highly appreciated! Yoke is actually somewhat poo-pooed in some of the communities I dive in here in Denmark, but I think it also may be because we always dive with over 3000 psi. I do find DIN more convenient also. If I have to come up with a defense for yoke though, I guess it is sometimes easier to unscrew ;)
You are right about variables like cold water and large HP tanks prefer/need DIN. Still we do have choices so divers go with what they like and know.
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Europe evolved, USA not yet laugh out loud (just joking). I like you combine tech tips with vintage scuba, pleasure to watch those old first double hose and single hose regulators.
This is perfect video, I am sure you covered in the past yoke vs din. I remind of such video. Personally I use Scubapro MK25 evo and U.S. Divers/Aqua Lung DA Aqua-Master with twinset and reserve valve. Thanks for sharing great videos
Glad you enjoyed it! It sure has stirred up a controversy. It's almost like I said split fins are the best ever!!
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I use Yoke just becaust it's more readily available and I don't have to change all my tank valves over. Ive almost exclusively bought used tanks and have never come across an al80 with a DIN connection. I did set up a pony with a DIN Regulator just because I wanted to save some space and eliminate the snag hazard of the yoke knob. However when Ive set up transfill hoses or fill whips I use a din filler with a yoke adapter so as to ensure compatibility with whatever valve I come across.
Sounds like you're set for the future, which ever way it evolves. Lots of viewer feedback on this subject.
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I prefer a din bc it’s so universal and you can use it for higher pressure. But even better, most dins will accept a yoke adapter! They’re super cheap and just screw on and off so there’s no reason not to own a din when for an extra $30-$130 adapter you can have both!! (I’ve never seen a yoke to din adapter and you wouldn’t bc of the pressure difference). I mostly have to use the adapter anytime I rent tanks in the US but then still have the din for travel!
Good points for everyone to know about.
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thanks Alec great information. Why would a diver wear his scuba tanks upside down, iv seen this in some older movies. im a great fan of sea hunt and me and my wife also watch while we are eating I've been a drive since 1980
thanks John
Some early scuba systems like the Scott Hydro-Pak, which also featured a full face mask. The logic was the tank would not become entangled (eg kelp or fishing lines), if the valve was at the bottom. Sounds great but after the dive putting it down without banging the valve was a problem! They eventually agreed put the tank upright which is how it has been ever since.
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only DIN
Good to know.
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One is stronger. I use a hp tank, so I only use din.
That is absolutely what DIN excels at, hp tanks. After that, it's a personal pick and what your diving resort uses. I have never been to a place where I count not dive, just involved either an adapter or swap hoses over.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I carry an adapter just in case. Last month in Cozumel it was a good thing I brought it.
This video missed the point. DIN has a safer connection but demands precaution otherwise the tank thread can be damaged. In case of poor maintenance, Yoke might be better coz it is always possible to change the joint onsite but not to repair a DIN thread ...
Damaging you 1st stage threads is a big problem while most tanks have converter inserts that swap out in a minute. I don't know anyone who travels with a spare DIN threads.
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I'm sure the North America and the Caribbean will come around eventually and put this steam-punk stuff behind them.
All caribbean dive locations accommodate both as tourists set the demand. It's likely that some day yokes will be a subject in my Vintage Scuba videos.
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In the UK Yoke connectors are called A-clamps
Thanks for the info.
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DIN isn't popular in Europe, it is MANDATED in the EU.
So is using M26 whenever you go above 21% O² for tanks and regulators. Most (technical) divers don't really care and just use the regular DIN G5/8" for all regulators and maybe an adapter for the tank if they can't get it filled without M26.
DIN is not mandated in europe, I live in EU and I use DIN, all divers I know use DIN but I have seen YOKE many times, not sure who told you about mandated DIN but its not true
Din is not mandated in europe
You sound like one of my LDS. They refuse to service my regulator set because I mix brands. They claim you are not allowed to do that because of EU rules. Total BS.
I believe for all new regs it's mad anted but the EU can't stop you diving a yoke if you had the gear. No under water tickets from the scuba police for diving a yoke in France, yet??
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I love to use Yoke since it's pisses off all those "know it all" divers 😂😂
You made me laugh thinking of when I was 18 and a know it all diver with my steel 72, home made weights and custom made (by me), wetsuit. Thanks for watching.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thank you for making those videos.
I picked up a lot of great info from them.
@@aliasincognito0 is there a split fins in the picture as well ?