@@sydneymaswanganyi I doubt it would have worked, debating and arguing with a lawyer as a non-lawyer needs a miracle. It definitely would have made a good show though
I personally know 3 people whom were screwed over by lawyers in RAF claims. 1 was even given a loan by their lawyer to assist him financially whilst he waits for his claim to go through, he is still waiting since 2019 and his loan had accumulated interest. Yes lawyers are good to ensure you get just compensation, but there are predators in the field as well. Personal opinion, protecting the vulnerable should be core here
Only if you are unhappy with your settlement, it's only then that you should lodge a dispute with the assistance of a lawyer. Why do lawyers want to get involved at the beginning, assuming that people will be under-settled? How do they know that? It goes back to Letsoalo's argument that they just fill in forms and charge clients tens if not hundreds of thousands of rands.
Bring the CEO and these crooks in one room... They just fill in forms that is what they, they cannot even dispute that. Rural area is their scapegoat, everyone knows about RAF clinics and hospital speak about it even worse for those badly injured.
They just keep saying there are process , wara wara process. Not mentioning atleast one that shows that victims really need lawayers😂😂. At this rate am convinced they represent themselves and other professionals more than the victim. Thus they got mandate from the professionals involved in RAF to have this organisation 🥴😂😂it’s clear
This lawyers did a terrible job trying to defend themselves. Honestly, if processes are simplified and payment brackets are clarified then there wont be a need for lawyers because we would know how to claim and for what we are entitled to. Honestly, SA cannot afford the current system, we cannot continue with the current status quo and if they dont have to pay legal fees they can afford to hire more staff. Mr Letswalo needs to work on the amendment of the legislation. I agree that he cant change the law with regulations. Now @King David Studio bring claimants so we can hear their views.
Shout out king Dav I love the way you did this a balance story both side of the story without poking holes but listening to the guest tell there stories
1)If theres anyone that can hear what this guys are clarifying, please balance me. 2) im not hearing them disagreeing with the CEO, they are just defending their bread of overcharging the RAF
In the spirit of the GNU discussions I couldnt help but chuckle when I watched the guests thinking about the current overused phrase, 'molemo wa mosoth/motho montsho ke lekgowa'...
Micheal is admiting what Collins firstly said.They are paper pushers an individual can lodge their own claim.Why do they think that they are independent of their donors and funders.
I think RAF should also invest in having offices like SASSA around small towns. I think it would solve many problems coz claimant would go there and claim or to be helped with filling forms by RAF staff
At 1:05:20 the LH lawyer tapped the RH lawyer when he was about to tip Mr Letsoalo to save costs. I am not sure if it was intentional or biological. If intentional then I am loosing their trust after a very good interview.
before I even watch as long as they don't bring evidence. I believe Collins Letswalo. any black man with his white master I watch with concern... thanks Bra Dave for this episode like many you give us...
After watching, sometimes its best not present your side of the story. This way at least you'd still have some credibility attached to you. But after these two guys spoke Ai they just made matters worse.. Lobaba ngathi that BEE or SGB chairperson with Std2 who have to sit in board meetings..
Its hard for these guys to defend their colleagues because almost all that Collins said its true. I dont know even one person whom a claim was proccessed on time.
In hindsight, the person that claims not to be speaking for lawyers,but victims, seem to be defending lawyers. He has created a formalized touting business of matching victims to lawyers, nothing else.
Mr letsoalo was right in most of issues and these guys also agree beside black guys who keep saying personal attack personal attack personal attack all the time
These guys did this interview just to prove that lawyers are just paper pushers in the process. Wouldn't want to be represented by these two, can't even make their case as a pair
I still haven't heard what is it that the lawyers do outside of filling in forms. What is the donkey tasks that they do to relief the pressure from RAF? Wouldn't the documents required for a claim address the issues of proof and qualification of the claim? They mentioned that lawyer spend about R100k to R250K to submit a claim but never explained what that money goes to. The mentioned without a lawyer the claimant gets under paid, so they are involved to maximise the pay out so they get the highest payment into their pockets (25%). About the people in the rural area struggling to access RAF offices, i don't think it's any easier for them to access a lawyer.
The gist of the matter from our learned friends is that when you are tasked with a potentially life defining decision, would you rather consult a makeshift amateurish service provider aka bush mechanic, a seasoned and expert professional or do it yourself?
Mr Letsoalo is clear, Those two guys are just fighting for their stomach nothing else😂😂 what I like about Mr Letsoalo he was quoting the RAF act and section's.
As expected an NGO (APRAV) came running to defend the real Masters🤦🏾♂️ Interesting how he had to segway regarding the funders after revealing who really funds them. Where are the lawyers associations to defend themselves🤔🤷🏾♂️ I really don’t hear what the guy on the left is saying or why he’s even here. The least said about NGO’s lately, the better 😔
The prescription issue doesn't make sense. Prescription only applies if you have not claimed within a prescription period, you as a claimant. But if you did claim, it cannot prescribe.
Once came across documents years ago that reflected that a certain gentleman was paid R4,3 million by the RAF and from his bank statements, he was only paid R1,5 million. With the law firm pocketing the balance. RAF should definitely get rid of the middleman.
Bra Deiza, you see these guy's saw the podcast got angry and wanted to save their income unfortunately for them messed up the whole thing.. Question remains, who fund's them, my guess it's the same lawyers... Now those are their donors.
Nahh thy are are not comfortable to disclose othr things thy are very careful in wht thy are saying if thy say there is alot of work to do than filing forms thy should name those...ask him why did he leave being a handler cz he realised that there is actually alot of money to make as an attorney from RAF...thy seems not comfy to tell othr hidden things
Gert and his friend are not so clear, I think the reply they wanted was just a way to protect their means of income. They dont simplify their explanations. They are here out of anger. #JustMyPerception
Lol, 2 hours of nothing if you ask me. Mr Nel is actually agreeing with Mr Letsoalo on a lot of issues, simply because he quoted the act a lot when he was on the platform. Also, they can't speak on behalf of all lawyers......
Adv. Collins came and lied in this platform, and it is indeed true rebuttal against his lies. Legal practitioners are not only filling forms, who pays for medical experts reports and all other expenses? How many of the direct claims they have that are stagnant because of reports in order to finalise the claims?
With all due respect to each and every comment. The botton line remains the fact, that the RAF always settle for less. We had a client that has received an offer of R800 000.00 from the RAF. The client was unhappy with the offer, and consulted with us. At the end of the day we obtained a court order for R4 850 000.00 in favour of our client. Who acted in the best interest of the client. The RAF or the client's lawyer??? The RAF will never act in the best interest of any claimant. Botton line...........
Lawyer's would do anything to make money , the fact that they can protect criminals they are just opportunists. So now they would do anything for easy money.
I'm SA who is very tired of this scamers called lawyers. We can go straight to RAF without them and we don't need them, they cost SAs people lots of money..... bye guys do ur business somewhere else please 🙏🙏
1:05:19-2:08:01 please check the sign communication between the two lawyers someone almost short himself on the foot 😂😂😂... These people know that what they are doing is wrong but still wanna defend it 😂😂😂
May you please help my daughter on her claim,she's been send from one lawyer to another. The recent one took her for x-rays then a week later he send her a message that he is moving to Durban he will refer her to another lawyer. Its been a year now ,she's still suffer pains and the broken wrist is not back to normal yet
All people who were scammed by lawyers must be checked if they are fairly paid if lawyers has scammed their clients must reimburse them. How can someone who doesn’t work at RAF know exactly what are true numbers. I fail to understand why people has to claim if the hospital know that people who was admitted in hospital was involved in car accidents they should automatically submit to RAF and claim for compensation immediately let everything processed and other copies must be handed over to the victim just to have proof of what was submitted to RAF with no lawyers involved.
Gert Nel Attorneys Inc , that’s his law firm they mostly deal with raf hence they had to respond because their bread and butter can be taken away soon 😂
This black guy should have stayed at home, I don't even see how he is influencing this podcast. The white man is trying his best but also failing dismally, we still do not get the idea of them being involved in almost every RAF claim, they should go-no middle man getting a cut!!!
I was going to be surprised if lawyers didn't demand a right of reply🤣.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Opportunistic
This gentlemen just amplified Mr Collins cliams. They should be kept far away from the RAF kitty.
🤣🤣These guys look pissed with Mr Letsoalo, The taps are about to run dry.
It would have been epic to have both sides at the same time
@@sydneymaswanganyi I doubt it would have worked, debating and arguing with a lawyer as a non-lawyer needs a miracle. It definitely would have made a good show though
Pray that you don’t get involved in an accident
Hmmmm nop, too much money involved bro
This feels like the tsotsi coming onto the show to defend himself and try justify why he mugged you.🤣🤣
Epic observation
Lawyer without substance nor facts within law framework.
They still did not mention what they do either than fill forms as Mr CEO said. 😂😂😅
🤣🤣🤣
🤣😂🤣😂Apparently they do lot of work that can't be disclosed, its just work.
Mr letswalo must be back again, and have more platforms even in radio wherein listener are listening
To me I stand by him
Ppl have been scammed maan
Love it when we get two sides of the story....all we need now is a RAF recepient with a story to tell!
I like this observation
Except those "I blew it" gang just to be specific
@@mabushecmalapane5900 hahaha exactly-we need a real story
I have a real interesting rare story to share.
@@sabinamokotjo241 I hope you make the cut
I personally know 3 people whom were screwed over by lawyers in RAF claims. 1 was even given a loan by their lawyer to assist him financially whilst he waits for his claim to go through, he is still waiting since 2019 and his loan had accumulated interest. Yes lawyers are good to ensure you get just compensation, but there are predators in the field as well. Personal opinion, protecting the vulnerable should be core here
Lawyers are unscrupulous, scammers
Only if you are unhappy with your settlement, it's only then that you should lodge a dispute with the assistance of a lawyer. Why do lawyers want to get involved at the beginning, assuming that people will be under-settled? How do they know that? It goes back to Letsoalo's argument that they just fill in forms and charge clients tens if not hundreds of thousands of rands.
This makes sense
They charge up to 25%, of course they’d want the settlement amount to be high. 😂😂😂😂
Well said.
David you should consider getting a couch for yours guest. It must be painful for them to sit for 2 - 3 hrs there. 😮. Great show
Lol ba a bolla
Mr Letsoalo, thanks for exposing the truth, otherwise we will be still in the dark.. now we will know the truth 😊
If these guys were to represent you in court, you are going to jail
Straight to jail, im trying to listen to them and I'm not hearing them
For life without any possibility of a parole🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
How amazing it would be to have these gent in one studio with Mr L. 👀🍿👀
Seconded ❤️❤️
The lawyers wanted to respond without having anything to respond. They clearly fumbled and couldn't answer the questions raised by the CEO.
No suprise about their funders 😂 rebuttal fell flat! We don't need these middlemen
Lol.... Did y'all see what happened on 1:05:20 😂😂😂😂 Dude is there to protect for his stomach 😂😂
🤔🤔🤔 I had to go back to that moment and watch again. 😡These lawyers didn't come here to tell the truth
He was reminding him, tht don't tell thm how 2 save money, it means less money 4 ourselves
Gert Nel Attorneys Inc that’s his law firm, they mostly deal with raf claims
Bring the CEO and these crooks in one room... They just fill in forms that is what they, they cannot even dispute that. Rural area is their scapegoat, everyone knows about RAF clinics and hospital speak about it even worse for those badly injured.
They just keep saying there are process , wara wara process. Not mentioning atleast one that shows that victims really need lawayers😂😂. At this rate am convinced they represent themselves and other professionals more than the victim. Thus they got mandate from the professionals involved in RAF to have this organisation 🥴😂😂it’s clear
they just want to eat, they are not making sense at all, they are here to protect their bag
Mr Letsoalo is legit n got em all shaking
This lawyers did a terrible job trying to defend themselves. Honestly, if processes are simplified and payment brackets are clarified then there wont be a need for lawyers because we would know how to claim and for what we are entitled to. Honestly, SA cannot afford the current system, we cannot continue with the current status quo and if they dont have to pay legal fees they can afford to hire more staff. Mr Letswalo needs to work on the amendment of the legislation. I agree that he cant change the law with regulations. Now @King David Studio bring claimants so we can hear their views.
Lawyers brought this upon themselves by being greedy.
Shout out king Dav I love the way you did this a balance story both side of the story without poking holes but listening to the guest tell there stories
1)If theres anyone that can hear what this guys are clarifying, please balance me.
2) im not hearing them disagreeing with the CEO, they are just defending their bread of overcharging the RAF
Feel the same. They don't disagree and even giving him guidelines how to change his legislation.
In the spirit of the GNU discussions I couldnt help but chuckle when I watched the guests thinking about the current overused phrase, 'molemo wa mosoth/motho montsho ke lekgowa'...
Micheal is admiting what Collins firstly said.They are paper pushers an individual can lodge their own claim.Why do they think that they are independent of their donors and funders.
Precisely. They are paid 100K to fill forms and for some reason think that is acceptable
Lovely conversation, mostly enjoyed that they were not avoiding addressing issues. The tone as well, it was a conversation
I think RAF should also invest in having offices like SASSA around small towns. I think it would solve many problems coz claimant would go there and claim or to be helped with filling forms by RAF staff
They used to have offices in government hospitals and Collins removed them.He is making it difficult for claimants to access the services.
At 1:05:20 the LH lawyer tapped the RH lawyer when he was about to tip Mr Letsoalo to save costs. I am not sure if it was intentional or biological. If intentional then I am loosing their trust after a very good interview.
😂😂 we saw that 😂😂
Wolves 🐺 in sheep 🐑 skin 😂
RAF must hire you on their panel to see which lawyer is lying***🤣
Big up to CEO. Remove lawyers
❤❤❤Lets them go 🖐️🖐️🖐️
before I even watch as long as they don't bring evidence. I believe Collins Letswalo. any black man with his white master I watch with concern... thanks Bra Dave for this episode like many you give us...
After watching, sometimes its best not present your side of the story. This way at least you'd still have some credibility attached to you. But after these two guys spoke Ai they just made matters worse.. Lobaba ngathi that BEE or SGB chairperson with Std2 who have to sit in board meetings..
Great episode, I’d love for them to discuss this live against each other .
What are they here to say?? deny they are looting the fund 🤷
Its hard for these guys to defend their colleagues because almost all that Collins said its true. I dont know even one person whom a claim was proccessed on time.
Do you even realise that is because of the RAF and not the Attorney?
Imagine RAF being your only business and then they closed the taps... It's chai
By "Chai" you just reminded me of that tick tock lady who trended for making ridiculous demands sometime ago 😂😂😂
In hindsight, the person that claims not to be speaking for lawyers,but victims, seem to be defending lawyers. He has created a formalized touting business of matching victims to lawyers, nothing else.
I think all 3 of them should be in the panel at the same time
Mr letsoalo was right in most of issues and these guys also agree beside black guys who keep saying personal attack personal attack personal attack all the time
O rekelwe motho woo😂😂
Guy on the left does not show to have any clue what is going on. Just sat there with a mouth full of teeth and added no value to the discussion.
Majita, let's be frank Letsoalo o tswala di Tap. Rre Collen subscribed to the Law ya'll came here to speak for your stomachs
Hai tlhogelang Bra Mdeva 😂 bafana le Banyana ba di podcast should take notes from the King himself.
What is the R100k for when you are able to apply for the fund yourself?
These guys did this interview just to prove that lawyers are just paper pushers in the process. Wouldn't want to be represented by these two, can't even make their case as a pair
I still haven't heard what is it that the lawyers do outside of filling in forms. What is the donkey tasks that they do to relief the pressure from RAF? Wouldn't the documents required for a claim address the issues of proof and qualification of the claim? They mentioned that lawyer spend about R100k to R250K to submit a claim but never explained what that money goes to. The mentioned without a lawyer the claimant gets under paid, so they are involved to maximise the pay out so they get the highest payment into their pockets (25%). About the people in the rural area struggling to access RAF offices, i don't think it's any easier for them to access a lawyer.
The gist of the matter from our learned friends is that when you are tasked with a potentially life defining decision, would you rather consult a makeshift amateurish service provider aka bush mechanic, a seasoned and expert professional or do it yourself?
Mr Letsoalo is clear, Those two guys are just fighting for their stomach nothing else😂😂 what I like about Mr Letsoalo he was quoting the RAF act and section's.
In the words of Collins Letsoalo: Their argument is upset😂😂😂.
Its a lousy stance by these lawyers
As expected an NGO (APRAV) came running to defend the real Masters🤦🏾♂️ Interesting how he had to segway regarding the funders after revealing who really funds them. Where are the lawyers associations to defend themselves🤔🤷🏾♂️ I really don’t hear what the guy on the left is saying or why he’s even here. The least said about NGO’s lately, the better 😔
Ndilapha!
Lol lol so they came here to protect their pockets.
All world problems stems from sin problem, a human nature.
You cannot lie, deceive, and heat forever
The prescription issue doesn't make sense. Prescription only applies if you have not claimed within a prescription period, you as a claimant. But if you did claim, it cannot prescribe.
I saw this chat coming with the lawyers😂Thank you bra Dave
Either they're bad at telling the truth or they're bad at lying. Either way, these guy's taps must close
10:44 irrespective of the percentage that can justify the abuse of the fund.
David please invite NUMSA,we want to hear how employees are treated there under kolins.
Mr Letsoalo knows his story and these guys are just fighting for their stomachs
56:48 wow , as to saying it saving him money. Thats actually inhuman
Once came across documents years ago that reflected that a certain gentleman was paid R4,3 million by the RAF and from his bank statements, he was only paid R1,5 million. With the law firm pocketing the balance. RAF should definitely get rid of the middleman.
Bra Deiza, you see these guy's saw the podcast got angry and wanted to save their income unfortunately for them messed up the whole thing.. Question remains, who fund's them, my guess it's the same lawyers... Now those are their donors.
Busy trying to out-lawyer us now. 🤥🤥🤥
Most people get enrich and this are lawyers
But is there a lawyer who can claim less than 26%? The guys are not doing justice to their organization. Haayi
Great pod
Nahh thy are are not comfortable to disclose othr things thy are very careful in wht thy are saying if thy say there is alot of work to do than filing forms thy should name those...ask him why did he leave being a handler cz he realised that there is actually alot of money to make as an attorney from RAF...thy seems not comfy to tell othr hidden things
Please Help, its been 9 years, my claim still hasn't been settled using a lawyer. Im still temporary incapacitated from the accident
Gert and his friend are not so clear, I think the reply they wanted was just a way to protect their means of income. They dont simplify their explanations. They are here out of anger. #JustMyPerception
Sounds like a cover-up here. I really believe Collins.
Lol, 2 hours of nothing if you ask me. Mr Nel is actually agreeing with Mr Letsoalo on a lot of issues, simply because he quoted the act a lot when he was on the platform. Also, they can't speak on behalf of all lawyers......
Interesting conversation.
17:12 fear mongering 😢
Great rebuttal against CEO's lies
Adv.
Collins came and lied in this platform, and it is indeed true rebuttal against his lies.
Legal practitioners are not only filling forms, who pays for medical experts reports and all other expenses? How many of the direct claims they have that are stagnant because of reports in order to finalise the claims?
With all due respect to each and every comment. The botton line remains the fact, that the RAF always settle for less. We had a client that has received an offer of R800 000.00 from the RAF. The client was unhappy with the offer, and consulted with us. At the end of the day we obtained a court order for R4 850 000.00 in favour of our client. Who acted in the best interest of the client. The RAF or the client's lawyer??? The RAF will never act in the best interest of any claimant. Botton line...........
Why are they not doing it pro-bono then?
Lawyer's would do anything to make money , the fact that they can protect criminals they are just opportunists. So now they would do anything for easy money.
I'm SA who is very tired of this scamers called lawyers. We can go straight to RAF without them and we don't need them, they cost SAs people lots of money..... bye guys do ur business somewhere else please 🙏🙏
Bra Da, wa rra dribbled out of the first question
Who funds you?
He went on and on and slyly shifted conversation into a different topic.
1:05:19-2:08:01 please check the sign communication between the two lawyers someone almost short himself on the foot 😂😂😂... These people know that what they are doing is wrong but still wanna defend it 😂😂😂
May you please help my daughter on her claim,she's been send from one lawyer to another. The recent one took her for x-rays then a week later he send her a message that he is moving to Durban he will refer her to another lawyer. Its been a year now ,she's still suffer pains and the broken wrist is not back to normal yet
Some of the are getting rich for doing nothing.
Can ngoako declare how much he gt his bank now? I his think he is already a millionaire
All people who were scammed by lawyers must be checked if they are fairly paid if lawyers has scammed their clients must reimburse them.
How can someone who doesn’t work at RAF know exactly what are true numbers. I fail to understand why people has to claim if the hospital know that people who was admitted in hospital was involved in car accidents they should automatically submit to RAF and claim for compensation immediately let everything processed and other copies must be handed over to the victim just to have proof of what was submitted to RAF with no lawyers involved.
Gert Nel Attorneys Inc , that’s his law firm they mostly deal with raf hence they had to respond because their bread and butter can be taken away soon 😂
I find these two guys unconvincing.
i hear you guys .... but why must the money be paid into your accounts
Only involve lawyers once u get a offer any offer
Mr "No Nonsense" CEO Letsoalo just touched the nerve of the looters. He is one of the best CEO.
What are these guys saying bra dave ? .
9000 claim out of how many?
1.19.00 excluding is crazy
Mr Letsoalo is leaving RAF to Transnet at the end of this month and I hope the person who's going to take over must continue closing those taps
I still stand by Letsoalo
Bathong Bra Dave couldn’t you provide them with separate seats?😂now they looking uncomfortable
The white man is in agreement with Mr Letsoalo but it seems as our fellow brother is having a score to settle against Mr Letsoalo
What is that Africa guy doing there? Nxa , the only thing he said "personal attact" protecting his handlers
13:51 lies lies lies 😂
Bitterness of their faces - Sies
1:05:16
The black guy said dont tell thm how 2 save money, tht means less 4 us
Deidei those mic stands are too short
"lot of work" what work?
My point exactly 😂😂😢😢
This black guy should have stayed at home, I don't even see how he is influencing this podcast. The white man is trying his best but also failing dismally, we still do not get the idea of them being involved in almost every RAF claim, they should go-no middle man getting a cut!!!