Evolution of the Cannon Rush - Iconic cheese tactics in StarCraft
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2024
- Today we talk about cannon rush and how it evolved through many years of SC2
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6:52 cannon was different? how was it different? why no explanation?
It gave us Has and for that I'm thankful.
Great video, but you never mentioned Quasarprintf!! He's the god of cannon rushes, even if he doesn't win tournaments. He cannon rushes every game.
Yep, my bad, I think I'll be making a part 2 / extended video with tower rushes in games, I'll include ladder heroes as well
And boanaan
@@EsportsStoryteller + the difference of a cannon rusher and a cannoneer, the cannon rusher primarily relies on surprise, a cannoneer primarily relies on his one execution. aka shift pylons, squeeze probe's out, make cage's etc
@peporgan is right u do a vid on cannon rush's and u dont mention printF u can make a vid on cr without mentioning the god of cannon's him self
printf still better
I like the cannon rush. It adds diversity to the protoss toolset and gives a unique cheese to the protoss, like the 12 pool for zerg, or the proxy marauder for terran. Otherwise, protoss is just a very safe cheese kinda race (excluding things like coco’s Flower build), and that’s not as fun, imo. More risk, more fun.
Proxy gate is also a thing you know.. and its only fun for protoss players.
gaulzi were one of the players that mastered cannon rush the most, he did that almost every games and managed to go at very high rank even though players knew what he was going to do
I quite enjoy all sort of rush or proxy strategies, including cannon, but also proxy barracks, planetary, gate, robo or hatch. Or inbase Nexus if youre SoS.
Dunno if this would be a good topic, but none of the big casters have ever gone into what actually happens with Korean (and soon Finnish) military service.
Coming from a country that doesn't have anything of the sort, i think it would be interesting.
You could talk about both whether they're allowed to play in tournaments, but also what the military service involves. (E.g duration, breaks, if there's any deployment overseas, what they learn, how they assemble rifles etc, i dunno, not a military guy, you could maybe ask non gamers who did compulsory service about it). Maybe why Korea and Finland both have it (a little obvious knowing their neighbours.)
But you could also talk about how it affected (and will affect) the leaderboard, people who managed to come back, people who fell out of sc2).
Anyway, just a thought about something that I've never seen covered in some real depth. Hopefully there'd be enough to make an interesting video there.
There must be some Korean/Finnish fans of yours who could help. I'd love to know what they go through.
Excellent idea. Would like to see this topic as well
It’s like a scholars mate in chess, as long as you scout and don’t leave weak points you don’t get checkmated in 3 moves.
I like to watch it. Played myself until end of hots, and have never canon rushed myself on ladder, just on some team game and training match. Feels so unprotoss..
It can be frustrating to lose to a cannon rush but at the end of the day there are ways to beat it, and its existence makes the early game more exciting and demanding of respect
I hate losing to it but love that it's part of the game!
Cannons are core Protoss structure. Been part of the game for decades. Like it or not, its a specific type of strategy protoss are given. Dont like it? WC3 or AoE are always available.
great video
That this video exists without a single mention to Florencio (beyond the description at 11:06) is a travesty and insult to sewer dwellers everywhere. Mermaids need representation too.
We’re talking about competitive pro level, not amateur smurfing to troll noobs on ladder
Wake up
I think we'll be making a separate, larger piece about tower rushing in RTS games, including other titles as well. I think it'd be a good place to expand on some ladder heroes there :)
@@jkkim6928yeah wake up sheeple
Quasarprintf is better
Tasteless brought me here. Easiest subscribe of my life.
I'm 15 seconds into the video. And my blood already starts to boil.
Edit: at 7:00 he mentions shields batteries. Now my blood is actually boiling.
It's annoying to fight against cannon rush but it's always a good feeling when you can win it.
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In WoL for a long time you could power cannons from the low ground---- remember THAT?
i love videos like this
I love that strategy
2:13 Is that the Fisherman from Viva La Dirt League?
This is VLDL song - czcams.com/video/dAhB9um4K6Q/video.htmlsi=t5v8uxMl4r6pf0wV
@@EsportsStoryteller Thanks man!
Whats this songs? @ 2:05
Just started watching. I'm hoping I'm going to hear "WHAT THE FUH-CANNONS?!"
Itd actually more pleasing to successfully defend against a cannon rush than it is to win with it. Something about defending this calmly is a true soul owning experience
Connon rush is amazing, people just need to scout more
PartinG perfected this
2:11 WOW. That's the guy form dirty league? Damn....
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At some point you said the cannon changed. But it didn't, did it? I mean apart from new dps calculations because of time change in lotv.
I think he said economy has changed.
6:13 what is that drone holding?
birthday cake?
birthday cake, it was a special event where they modded minerals to look like cake
As a terran, getting cannon rushed always makes a good game
It’s good when you do it. And it’s bad when it’s done to you.
tasteless is playing this whole video on his channel. dont let him steal your hard work.
It’s totally okay
Gaulzi was the literal god
I liked this video, despite disliking canon rush. Perhaps a mention of Printf would have been appropriate.
I see Has in there. Heh.
cannon rush lore
6:52 cannon was different? how was it different? why no explanation?
I think it's a good thing but it sure feels bad to lose to it lol.
Cannon Rush is a good thing, it is in fact a skill check for who ever is being Cannon Rush.
Not really a skill check, more of an intel check. It neither takes a lot of skill to execute or to counter, but it's just super annoying. As Terran or Zerg, you can do similar things like bunker rush or proxy hatch into spines/spores, and if not scouted, these can straight up win you the game too, but they are generally far less effective. Whenever I win with such a strategy, it feels empty, like I didn't improve my skill, rather I sucker punched my opponent. I don't know how people can feel good about themselves climbing ladder doing this.
2:13 is that rowa? did i miss something
I had the exact same reaction! I hadn't seen it before either. czcams.com/video/3ayBioKKhaI/video.html
As a macro toss player, I find cannon rushes to be just as annoying as the next guy. For people to go as far as to say that they need to be completely removed though, is a little much I think. If you just scout it early enough, then it's basically a non-issue. It only really becomes a problem when you scout it too late. It's a sh!tty feeling when it happens, but it is a legitimate strategy, unfortunately. lol
Now Widow Mines... Those need to gtfo. XD
Thankfully widow mines are needed now
Cannon rush is an amazing strategy. Also, the fact that it only takes 1 probe is amazing. And as someone who has occasionally cannon rushed, I can say with confidence that its a bad strategy unless the map really lets you, as the strategy is just worse than the defense so its harder to win with it
THe problem with cann rush is that if you fail you are in deep trouble
@@gianmarcobuzzotti4517 it's not a problem. It's a feature.
@@JurekOK yeah, i was only stating the risk you take with cannon rush cheese
Basset is it you?
Yes
I just leave the game whenever somebody cannon rushes. That says it all.
tasteless sent me here
"Someone tell Has this is does not actually make sense."
"This is never going to work."
LOL! I guess this is why he is casting instead of gaming. Has can teach you a lot about cannon rushes.
what is creative about cannon rush?
All right... I think it is a good strat sometimes, BUT my issue is not with Cannon Rush itself, it is with the fact that ANY SORT OF DEFENSIVE capability Blizz try to give for Protoss always is used for some sort of Cheese, and that has been the cause of a big problem on the defense in the early game mainly on the past.
They just implement these defenses without accounting the overall ripple effect that might potentially affect future matches. That ripple effect that players, for a period of time, will learn and execute wacky strategies like Cannon Rushes. This is why extensive testing is important for RTS developers.
honestly roaches are a flawed unit. they never should've came into existence in the first place
Just wanted to say. DAY9 is making sc2 content agien
Now we just need Husky to come back :)
@@jakub.anderwaldPrefer not.
He's trying to, but deleting his old videos (instead of starting a new hairstyling/baking channel or whatever he does) was a bit of a betrayal. There's been vids about him, and he actually commented on one. Felt a little sorry for him. But not sure anyone needs him back.
The bad thing about SC2 is the horrid match making. Many people I know, and try to get into SC2, get shredded all throughout their matchmaking. We are getting into matches like 1-2mins, but they are so imbalanced. It’s wastes 10 mins of a game that is either too easy to win, or was never winnable. I’d rather wait 7 mins for a good game, than waste an entire night. And my friends don’t play anymore because of being silver matched with masters and master. And teams are even worse. Playing against teams entirely made up of 1v1 grandmasters. Now they don’t play, and no wonder SC2 is dying.
Do you play on NA server? On EU it seems to be better
Buff cannon rush, stupid balance council
We almost never see it in tournaments anymore
+1. It's good for the game that this is an **option** that one can take.
It shouldn't be made too strong, but it's good that it's there at all.
Conclusion : create a new race that completely counters protoss
Terran counter everithing a toss can do.
Lazy video. Didn’t see “evolution” of canon rush, just basic wiki info, many things left untold. Dislike 👎🏽
Delete this strat
If you are not good enough for normal Starcraft you shouldnt playing it
It’s fun though
I mean, pylons got nerfed 100/100 health and shields, but turret got 50/50 from BW to SC2