Swedish 1815/38 Flintlock Musket: History And Practical Accuracy
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The Chap takes a look at his muzzleloading Swedish 1815/38 flintlock musket, and sees what it can do on the range.
Black powder can be fun! - Sport
Ooooooo! Flintlock you say.... Great work Chap! Loved the excellent follow though on the misfire... not one bit of flinch!... like a rock, you are.
wish you and BOTR two channels would do something with capandball channel.... that would be awesome !!!!
and mark novak from c&arsenal.... black powder shoot!!!!
@@freedom-sf4no A project "Thunderhail"? Can't wait to see Othias hauling a wall gun and firing it from the hip.
i know Im quite off topic but does anybody know of a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@Collin Jerome Try flixzone. Just google for it :)
Norrtälje is just north of Stockholm. It is a quaint little town with lots of old houses, and small town charm. The old armory is right the town center. They were known for top notch barrels in their day, sold both to the military and and for civilian use.
Can we talk about the excellent intro to this video?
MASSspec1990 Please do! Cunning linguists will note that I made the same innuendo in the French version 😉
My French is limited to sacre, and Québécois French at that. Even so, I always appreciate the Europeans not mincing words or inventing words to avoid swearing. I am Australian of German and Scottish parentage, so keep up the innuendos.
@@thebotrchap Are you saying that you are both a cunning linguist and a master debater then, Chap? ;-)
simonferrer Anyone denying being a master debater is a liar 🤥
I think I just fell in love with a musket!
As much as the French/Yankee and Prussian patterns are beautiful this one just takes the cake and eats it too!!
A most excellent start to the day, cup of tea and the chap doing a show n tell with a flintlock... Hurrah!!
Wow, far more reliable and accurate than I had thought possible. Very elegant design.
Very nice! A few months ago I did some maintenance on a 1815/49 musket (the percussion cap modification of 1815 muskets), so this was highly interesting to me.
Pirren My pleasure!
beore adopting the metric system about 1850 sweden used swedish yards feet and inches (Aln, fot and tum) so you could make the cartridges in inches :)
peter forden Yes, but those were different to the British imperial units 😉
@@thebotrchap Yep, Swedish inches were sized to a rather fat king's thump apparently. This is a challenge for people trying to recreate historic boats and other military equipment to original plans; they have to first figure out what measurements are used and make yardsticks to match.
14:08 check your dimensional analysis, I think you mean football fields per Fahrenheit
Excellent episode, thank you.
Anyone looking for info on the Artificers knot, unless I'm totally wrong (don't rule that out) its more commonly known as a clove hitch. If you struggle with manual dexterity, you can "tie" it away from your working piece, put the loops over the area you want to tie down and tighten. Hope this helps.
I shall consult my book of knots (get your minds out of the gutter) and see if it refers to the clove hitch as an artificers knot.
@@TTRTIM in my quick (4 seconds) looking online, I didn't find a reference, but I use clove hitches all the time, and it looks like that to me. I also know that translations get odd, I knew a Russian guy who for the longest time referred to a "hand knot" once we knew he meant prussic, it was a lot easier, sometimes you don't translate.
@@KarltheKrazyone it also like a clove hitch to me as well but my book doesn't use the term artificers knot. I can see why a prussic could be called a hand knot though
TTRTIM It is indeed another word for clove hitch. In French it is also “noeud d’artificier” amongst other names.
What a great video, thanks again BOTR!
I wish more gun historian youtubers would make videos about muzzleloaders, as I think your info makes them seem to have interesting historical and mechanical details.
'BritishMuzzleLoaders' based in Canada has a fair few videos you might like.
@@99IronDuke I already enjoy his channel, as well as Capandball and Duelist1954
Great info. as always :)
I have often been relieved around the U bend...
Best bad pun opening ever.
The question is Chap which Bess did you use? Because the name attaches to about 5 or 6 different muskets
Alistair Shaw India pattern
@@thebotrchap that would make sense, they are the archetypal pattern. I can see why you prefer the swedish gun
Alistair Shaw I’ve handled some of the earlier patterns but only personally owned and fire the India one.
I was really impressed also with no misfires. Must have a very strong spring and good Frizzell.
Would like to see how it dud from a rest. It us a handsome looking musket.
So are we getting a version of this video in Swedish? 😉
It would honestly be hilarious watching a Swedish version of this in a thick German accent 🤣
Jesper O Je parlo kein Svenk...
@@thebotrchap Vafalls, talar herr'n inte svenska? Skandal!
Voelund Ja kan förstå lite
The Chap många ord är likt tyska 😉 a lot of technical words have German etymology in Swedish
@@filipkarlsson89 Don't forget the large amount of french words that the Francophiles smuggled into our beautiful Germanic language during the 1700s.
The Chap is could move to Östermalm and fit right in within a few weeks I bet :P
One of my ancestors who were a bear hunter insited on using this kind of rifle instead of more modern rifles. Hes known for killing 19 bears. Travelled around helping people with various predator problems. He lived 1831-1908
Magnus Danielsson Thanks for the story. It doesn’t surprise me, especially if your ancestor was often in remote places. Provided you have a supply of flint or can find it in the country, à flintlock is very easy to keep running.
I watched a documentary about making a 3 inch shell in WW1. It took less time than the "cartridge" assembly.
The wonders of the industrial revolution
it's funny so many "historical" shooting associations ignore history lol. the 1805 British Light Infantry Pattern had a rear sight as well. Here in the states, we have the NMLRA, and let me tell ya, some of the conversations I've had with their "old guard" are quite comical, to say the least. You can show them pictures of original guns that look and function like yours, and they will still argue with you that it "didn't exist" lol.
If you were careful, you could melt some low temp solder into the dovetail, just to hold it fixed. "pounds-foot-per square slug"... Thanks for breaking it down for us "imperial" users :)
It's a shame that you didn't continue to try the self-priming system of this great musket. Please show us a video of successfully using the self-priming system of this musket.❤
Excellent work old Chap. The paper looks a little stiff. I find old unsaleable books provide pre 1850 soft strong paper for the task. Was lubing the paper a practice in Sweden? I am not aware of it in military cartridges elsewhere. Never mind a bayonet. You could beat the enemy to death with the lock. Good to see such heavy soling of the battery. Well done.
john fisk For lubing, it seems to be a Swedish/Norwegian thing although I can find no documentation to back it up, at least in English.
@@thebotrchap Norwegian checking in here. I've seen a few supposedly-original paper cartridges similar to what you show, where the ball end had been dipped in molten sheeps-tallow. The tallow sort of hardens as it cools, so handling the cartridges isn't too messy. I'm pretty sure the lubing would be done before putting any powder into the cartridge, as the tallow pot would of course be over an open fire. Don't want fire and explosives in one place, certainly not when making cartridges in industrial quantities.
Kaboomf Thanks! I couldn’t find any info to confirm. I knew the Norwegians did it for the Kammerlader cartridges but wasn’t sure about musket cartridges. I lube mine after adding the powder but my grease is gently heated on an electric plate.
Releaving, or coning, the bore side of the touch hole was intended to reduce the length of the drilled hole and to bring the main charge closer to the pan. This both reduced the possibility of a hangfire and improved the speed with which the main charge was ignited from the priming in the pan, speeding up the lock time and as a result the performance of the musket. Self priming is aided by the coning but is dependant on the diameter of the touch hole v the grain size of the powder. Erosion of the touch hole through normal use will render the musket unsafe more quickly with an initially wide diameter touch hole and require the replacement of the barrel. As will happen with a coned touch hole. But will speed up and simplify reloading. So whether to cone and/or self prime is a trade off for the military against performance and speed v the frequency of barrel replacement. The British chose the straight touch hole. Many Continental armies with less well trained infantry chose the alternative.
Oh, and an eroded and enlarged touch hole will not be pleasant for the soldier on your right. The jet of hot gases, burnt priming powder and chips of flint can and do cause injury and in extreme can set fire to a uniform. Watch the panel to the Bloke's right when he fires.
petergosden1 The Bloke didn’t fire it 😉As far as I know only other major European power to use it was the Austrians, and then only briefly. Funnily enough the Norwegians adopted the identical musket but without the feature.
@@thebotrchap Yes, I had heard of the Austrians. I had also read some years ago that the Prussians had initially received a quantity of Brown Besses from England to help with their shortage of muskets when rearming and growing their army in 1813. I had understood they coned the touch holes on those and made them self priming. I never did discover whether that was a common Prussian practice across there standard issue. The touch hole erosion was a factor but it has been my belief that self-priming was generally on balance an advantage with less well trained conscripts and militia. I must say that Swedish musket is just superb. Hard to imagine that such impressive design and build quality could be military issue.
@@petergosden1 If my memory is correct,a book,titled The Iron Kingdom,mentions this somewhat. The larger size hole was thought to reduce the number of steps for reloading. The book was easily downloadable so I mention it.
I’ll say it again, you need to spread awareness about the impending semi auto laws, it may not be fully in law but the more people know the more of a fighting chance you have.
carolean intensifies
If my memory serves me correctly, Bernadotte could have been labelled as a little bit of a hypocrite, seeing as he had a tattoo that read "Death to Kings!"😂
Spud Gunn I wonder if he had a tasteful coverup tat done over it 🤔 or just added “except me” on the end.
Why? He was just a politician.
@@konradwidget6956 just a politician? Or one of the best Generals of the 18th century? Something tells me if you called him "just a politician" he probably would have run you through!
awesome video! I was wondering, did the sweedish troops normally put the ball and paper in as you do in the video? I have seen manny flintlock rifles and muskets in which it was customry to pour the charge, then flip over the projectile/patch combo before raming it home.
what are your thoughts?
daniel maine I only going by hearsay according to Scandinavian friends but it makes sense to do it like this as it eliminates the flip movement which is unnecessary when firing a round ball. The case makes a nice wad over the powder too. The flip is essential however for later paper cartridges with conical bullets. In those the point of the bullet is facing inward towards the powder in the cartridge so you really need to flip the cartridge after pouring the powder otherwise you load the bullet in backwards.
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the knowledge, and again thanks for having a really neat channel, I love it when I see folks across "the pond" have a enthusiasim for the shooting arts!😊
Would closing the fisson prior to load ensure more of the charge primes the pan?
Blank Steve The problem here was that not enough was trickling through the touch hole. Since I wanted to do a smooth series of shots, I decided just to prime separately instead of trying the auto prime. I suspect that if I tapped the musket on the ground after pouring the powder it it would have worked.
Greetings from Sweden!
Why holes in targer are so small?
Where's the bloke? It's just the chap, I feel guilty!
It's ok, he says cock, ball and lube quite a lot and he fires the musket like a boss!
I noticed you didn't prime with the cartridge. Was that for safety reasons?
Katrina George Yes, it’s strictly against modern safety regulations and I was on a club range so I have to follow the rules, especially when then publishing to the world 😉 I’m hoping to tweek the powder granulation so that the auto priming function works.
Can you get a folding stock for that?
AakeTraak No, nor does it take glock mags.
Now do that with the Swedish equivalent of an SGM screaming at you to do it faster. In time, you may work your way past "Cannon Fodder" status!
Don'tchyah know friend, we are ALL Cannon Fodder.
In those days moving up the ranks made you even more of a target with an extra shiny uniform to shoot at.
I'd say that rear sights on flintlock muskets is rather rare, but I see a lot of them on percussion muskets, usually in the same simple style near the rear tang.
Daniel Butka They sometimes are just a shallow groove in the tang which you can’t really use as a sight but provides a rough means of alignment. However because the “major” powers didn’t have them it is generally unknown.
Of course my memory can betray me on that, but i was in the Landeszeughaus 2 years ago and am pretty sure the old muskets there had rear sights.
nirfz You do usually find them on muskets of smaller nations or kingdoms.
@@thebotrchap Austria back then wasn't as small as today i think.
nirfz Interesting that Austria had them too. My grudge is against the MLAIC which forbids rear sights on military flint muskets (but not rifles) even though they are clearly historically correct. Likewise the smallest service caliber they allow is .54” which excludes the Swiss 10.4mm rifles.
Try waxing the string, Chap. I’ve rolled hundreds of paper cartridges and it makes life much easier.
Saarn1823 It does make things easier having just finished some leatherwork with waxed thread. This was filmed a while back 😬
I don't quite get why you were biting off the ends of the cartridges, as there was no glue or anything holding them shut. Was it just to be quicker than folding them open?
Shandrunn The excess of the paper tube are pressed together and folded in as I show in the making part, this holds the sides of the paper pressed together so that it doesn’t unfold, hence why the biting. Unfolding would need two hands or a long fiddle with one hand. Not ideal on the battlefield.
It is to show off good healthy teeth to your enemy. Psychological warfare...
Tom Sanders See the world they said!
Are you using coin wrappers?
John-Paul Silke No, just standard brown parcel paper.
So smoky. What's the recoil on that comparable to?
I’d say similar to a semiauto 12g shotgun.
Did they carry muskets loaded in tje field? For a battle yes but what about the other 99% of the time?
PaletoB I think the best we can say is that they were entirely dependent on the instructions of their officer. I expect that guards and entries would be carrying loaded but if there was no risk of contact I suspect not, also it isn’t good to carry muzzleloaders loaded for a long time as powder is hydroscopic, encouraging rust. Pulling unshot charges at the end of each day would have been a waste of ammunition.
Loaded guns become useless guns very quickly unfortunately. Even in modern 1st world countries we relied on our officers for loaded chambers, loaded magazines or any combination there-in. I was even told not to sharpen my bayonet because this was a “war” measure and not to be done until an official declaration. I later understand this theoretical reasoning when I became an officer. Some higher military ranks are much more political then military and lower ranks tend toward realistic and tactical reasoning versus strategic logic.
Is that a dog-lock hammer? I thought those were obsolete by the 18th century?
If you watched the whole vid you would know the answer 😉
Phased out but in my opinion not obsolete. It's just and added safety, much the same in theory as the grip safety of a 1911
Oh! ´N Chap. Would you ever develop the craving..the one of them considered the most beautiful is the m/1775. If you feel the craving,let me know and i´ll send you mine to pull a video of.
The lock time on that seems pretty damn fast for a flintlock.....
donn kelley It is, the springs are top quality. Despite that, ignition time was noticeably longer at the end of the series due to gunking up of the pan and touch hole. It begs the question as to how many shots an individual soldier would fire on average in the early 1800s before it came to bayonet combat.
@@thebotrchap20, 30? If its in line thats several hundred rounds down range before it becomes impossible and you are already very close to the enemy. That being said the KGL at La Haye Sainte had to fall back because they ran out of ammunition, not because their guns failed, so they must have had some way of reopening the touch hole even if the barrel itself was full of carbon
Alistair Shaw An simple iron pin to clear touch holes was a common tool for soldiers. I could have carried on but had run out of cartridges.
@@thebotrchap I wonder if they had, in a situation like La Haye Sainte, a relay of two soliders swapping their muskets back and forth
Alistair Shaw It’s the only was to have a continuous (relatively) high rate of fire otherwise you inevitably have a few firing points falling silent as a few men reload, especially once the muskets are extremely fouled. I would guess they stockpiled muskets of the fallen too and load them too to pass out to the shooters.
Those musket balls are bloody massive. Must have created horrifying wounds, and then you have the first Aid of the time :(
Anton Grahn First aid was a mouthful of strong drink and a saw. If the bullet didn’t kill you, the infection caused by all the debris and dirt the ball dragged into the wound would, hence why amputation was the safest treatment. Having a clean through shot was actually a blessing in disguise.
you're in Switzerland wheres all the German and Italian videos lol
The German ones you can find yourself :p No parlo Italiano though :D
My German one is one or our other hosts (about Chassepot conversion kit)
What is this? Carry on Shooting?
scipio10000 Talking about muzzleloaders necessarily involves talking about cocks, balls, nipples, lube and giving things a good ramming... Ooer matron!
Dog catch in Swedish = Varhake
Would have been nice to see the left side of the gun...
Brass L shaped screw plate. That’s it
Those poor troops having to put their muskets together in the field with hex wrenches.
PickelJars ForHillary Yerwhat?
Napoleonic Wars, a Jesuit victory.
wtf who unsubed me?!?! youtube secret police no doubt no doubt...
When did Sweden come out with rifles for everybody? you ever take the beast skeet shooting??
John Stacy Ha ha, it’s not a sport I take part in but with the reliability of the lock I guess it could be feasible. I’ve never actually seen a clays or skeet club here.
@@thebotrchap I actually do take my Martini style Greeener out on Farm Raised Pheasants now and again. I use hand loaded Hi Brass 12 gage with #6 shot with 80 grains of 777 power. If I dont know them down my buddy has his Bellini M2 does. When I was in the Army in Germany in the late 80's I did quite a bit of skeet and trap shooting. Our base was next to a Gehege and we'd shoot the Pheasants that tresspassed with our airguns . Keep up the good work...
John Stacy It’s not poaching sarge! That pheasant was trespassing on crown land sarge 😁 Sounds legit!
Centimeters? How many freedoms and invaded middle eastern countries is that?
Legitpenguins69 Google can provide you with a conversion form universal decimal SI.
As I recall, 1" = 2.53 cm
@@simonferrer pretty much
That would be 1/4 000 000 000 the circumference of the Earth, across the poles.
1"=25,4mm=2,54cm
A bit late but your pronunciation of Norrtälje was far from the worst I have heard, just use E instead of A and as an English speaker you're fine, unless you run into a language snob...