JACK THE RIPPER VS. BATMAN! | Batman: Gotham by Gaslight Reaction
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- My first time watching Batman: Gotham by Gaslight!
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Here's a couple of little facts.
#1: Those street urchins who ended up working for Batman are Dickie, Jason, and Timmy, who are based on Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake, the first three Robins.
#2: That coded message Bruce sent to Alfred from prison is based on the Dancing Men, a Sherlock Holmes story. Each position the men were posed in represented a different letter of the alphabet. It's a pretty entertaining code.
I like that even though the boys don’t have a big role, it was nice to have the Robins present in this story.
*You think Gordon is unlikable as a villain, huh? You should see his son, he’s 100X worse*
I've been into DC for a long time now, only somehow just found out about his son quite recently. He's completely horrifying. Complete psychopath. He's scary because he's quite realistic in a sense.
@@nylereilly2637 EXACTLY!
I didn't know there was a son.
OH NO
@@Xehanort10 heavily agree
I'm pretty sure that Gotham by Gaslight was the very first Elseworld DC comic book which is pretty cool. Of course there's been stories that were set on alternate Earths like The Dark Knight Returns being a "Possible Future" of the Prime Batman but as an Imprint Gotham by Gaslight was the first Elseworlds comic book. DC: The New Frontier is another amazing Elseworlds story which actually has an amazing animated film. But I think my personal favourite Elseworlds comic is Kingdom Come with amazing art work by Alex Ross who also did Marvels for Marvel comics an amazing storyline from the point of view of a reporter depicting the active civilians pov with amazing realistic art work by Alex Ross. Recommend every single one of these comics
Before "elseworlds" was a thing, they had lots of non-canon and what they used to call "imaginary stories". Elseworlds was more of a rebranding than a new invention.
In the Elseworlds book this movie is based off of, the idea was essentially Jack the Ripper left London after the Whitechapel murders, and sailed all the way to America in Gotham City.
Also, Gordon wasn't the killer in the book, so I highly suggest you read the comic as well!
All in all I love this movie and the people who react to it.
I’m definitely reading it 👀
_"the idea was essentially Jack the Ripper left London after the Whitechapel murders, and sailed all the way to America in Gotham City"_
I believe Gordon mentions he did the first few of those killings as well.
@@MegMageReactsI'm new to your channel (literally since yesterday), so apologies if this has been said but if you love exploring the comic world and Jack the Ripper/Victorian Era as seeing you mention the "From Hell" letter makes me wonder if you have heard or are interested in long run from Alan Moore literally called "From Hell"? (which is based on our devilish jack). Seems to actually be made for you.
@@MegMageReacts well technically this incarnation of Jimbo Gordon anyway!
There's a theory that Jack the Ripper became H.H. Holmes after he got to America. I personally don't believe it though.
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Fun Fact: Selina's singing voice is portrayed by Grey Griffin who voices Selina in the Arkham Games, while Jennifer Carpenter voices her speaking voice.
28:40 I’m not sure if you caught it but this is Solomon Grundy. Also the street kids are named Jason, Dickie and Little Timmy as in Jason Todd, Dick Grayson and Tim Drake.
the 3 little boys in this film are Dick, Jason and Tim the first 3 robins.
Another really good alternate ripper story is the novel “Dust and Shadow” by Lyndsay Faye. It’s a Sherlock Holmes novel. It’s amazingly written and reads just like a proper Arthur Conan Doyle story.
If you want another horror Batman Try “The Doom that came to Gotham”. It’s Batman / call of cthulhu.
There is also “The Batman vs Dracula” which is based on a different animated series. More modern where Bruce is younger and new to Batman it’s a good series.
Omg thank you!
Bruce started pouring his drinks into potted plants after Ivy got killed.
Commissioner Gordon being Jack the Ripper in this Elseworld story I think is really cool , in this world Instead of Jim Gordon being a force for good here he's a person of the most infamous evil and being Batman's enemy instead of his ally like it's definitely a upside world of regular Gotham
A great underrated Batman movie
Cyrus Gold is who Solomon Grundy used to be before he rose from a swamp as a swamp zombie known as Solomon Grundy.
Cool
@@thesmilyguyguy9799 I'm glad you think so.
I'm sure most people had the same reaction to the gordon twist. I definitely didn't see it coming. And I love that they could keep it hidden till the end.
Thanks for reacting to this movie Meg, it's one of my absolute favorite dc movies, and I was waiting to see it on your channel. Keep the awesome content coming and take care! ^^
This is one of my absolute favorite Batman centric DC Animate Movies! Right next to Mask of the Phantasm, and Under the Red Hood! So glad you enjoyed it!
I'm personally fine with big changes to major characters, if you do them in an alternate universe. If it's good? Go nuts! It's when an interpretation adapts the main DCU continuity and changes a bunch of stuff for no reason that I have concerns, for example, the Snyderverse.
The "Snyderverse" was based off the '80s comics and setting up the darker stuff; The Killing Joke, A Death In The Family, Doomsday etc.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps I feel like those stories would have meant more if they were set up, and payed off, instead of just referenced. And I also feel that if you're gonna do dark material like that, you have to make the initial set up more bright and hopeful. An audience feels the emotional impact of Superman's death, Robin II's death, and Batgirl's crippling more if everything starts off with a more even and positive tone, y'know? That's why all the dark stuff in things like Harry Potter happen later, so you can form an attachment to everyone before they're ripped away from you. If everything is grim and gritty, then nothing is. Why care about such a miserable world? Nothing good happens here anyway. Y'know?
@@notavailable8514 So you're one of those who wanted Man Of Steel to go the Mighty Mouse route?
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps So your one of those that think there's only one option? Very reductive thinking.
@@notavailable8514 I didn't say there was only one option but your "bright and hopeful rather than grim and gritty" comment strongly implies to me you saw Man Of Steel as "grim and gritty" just because it was realistic rather than the juvenile power fantasy of "the universe handing the hero a nice third option out of any moral dilemma so the hero can remain squeaky clean because well, that comes with being a hero, oh, and collateral damage just doesn't happen for heroes" and therefore part of the reason they rushed BvS.
Here's what I came out with from this movie.
Jim Gordon is an absolute unit.
Every superhero, every sidekick, every side character - I put them on the "One Bad Day" scale.
Injustice Superman was just Superman till he had his one really, really bad day. Batman himself isn't very one bad day proof. You can take vanilla Batman, put him through the ringer and come out with an absolutely vile and terrifying villain.
Not Jim Gordon. He's so one bad day proof you have to change the very essence of his character to make him the villain. He was so one bad day proof he broke the scale in the very story that this rule is born out of. Even here - nothing he says post-reveal sounds like something you'd hear out of Jim Gordon's mouth. It feels alien and jarring.
And to think he's a cop.
The movie made a lot of changes from the original story; you might want to check out the comic. Bruce was newly returned to Gotham City from London and the Ripper had come over too.
28:40 - Cyrus Gold aka Solomon Grandy
You should watch Superman v The Elite
I do really like this movie. I think it even improves some elements that are pretty weak in the graphic novel.
Another movie that's amazing to watch that also has this kinds of gothic spooky vibes is The Batman vs Dracula. It's supposed to take place in the same continuity as the 2005 cartoon show but it's perfectly watchable on its own. Highly recommend.
What i like about dent is he is two face as we thought he was bruce friend but he was jealous and betrayed him so he was being two faced.
I believe there was a forensic study and tests done a few years ago that identified the Ripper, and it was one of the prime suspects when the events were happening. I don't remember the name, but it was a polish butcher.
I've watched this movie several times and only just now picked up on Cyrus Gold, Cyrus later became Solomon Grundy! I do enjoy your reactions.
There is also an alien Batman on a planet called Zur-En-Arhh
I can only imagine the surprise on the faces of this incarnation of the rest of the GCPD as well as the rest of this incarnation of Gotham if/when they ever find out their real new Jimbo Gordon which'll eventually happen sooner or later someday!
36:18 are you sure girlie? In one comicJoker cut off skin from human when he was still alive
She wasn't talking about who is more gruesome, she said the misogyny made this Gordon especially horrible. Also why even call her girlie? Wtf.
You must read "Dust and Shadow" by Lyndsay Faye - Sherlock Holmes vs. The Ripper
"i feel betrayed"....yes, that is the appropriate reaction, that was mine too
One of the best animated Batman movies ever
I heard Cryus Gold in the prison! That was Solomon Grundy!
Gordon's wife Barbara and their son James Jr. are both villains in the dc comics or in Barbara's case - the tv series Gotham.
The endd 😢❤ Alfred, Dick, Jason, Tim, Bruce and Selina
I'm from the UK and have found JtR to be quite interesting of late so looked into it quite a lot. We had a look at the case during school as well in History but I'm not sure if everyone does that and if it's part of the curriculum.
I believe the theory that he was a guy called Charles Lechmere. For some reason people like to dismiss him a lot but if you look into him in more detail a lot and I mean a lot of red flags come up with him. For starters he was caught at a crime scene over a freshly killed corpse of Mary Ann Nicholas, the first of the canonical five victims. A man named Robert Paul found him and they observed the body together. It's believed that Lechmere was interrupted and had to quickly sleeze his way out of it by convincing everyone that he had only found the body and was not the killer. I won't go into too much details now as this may be long but basically he was silent, until Paul revealed to the papers that he found the body with a man standing over it. Immediately after Lechmere went to testify and used the name of his step father Cross. So he testified as Charles Cross and it isn't until recently we found out his real name was Charles Lechmere. So he gave a fake name despite never doing so any other times, always using Lechmere as his name apart from two times and the other time was when he accidentally killed a toddler with his wagon. It's also highly suspicious that the next victim wae practically found dead smack next door to Paul which makes people believe he killed her there specifically to set Paul up which worked as we know the police raided his house. Not to mention the fact his path to work fits with almost every single one of the victims but one I believe and he's still connected because his mother lived on the route with his daughter and it is believed he committed the murder when he was in the area seeing his daughter at the weekend which was when the murder occurred. Not only that but his route fits with other murders that could be done by the same hand too, some before and after the canonical five. The Thames Torso murders were especially gruesome murders that followed after JtR and guess what, one of the torsos of the victims was found in the exact location where he once lived, in an archway. So not only is he at the centre of multiple murders, he was found to be connected to what is believed to be a second serial killer as well.
There's much more in-depth details surrounding this, but he's my prime suspect as of now and it's just too many red flags and coincidences for it not to be him in my eyes.
But this story is the first Elseworlds story by DC and it's great.
One of the best batman anmited movies
8:43 there’s actually not a lot of information on her childhood. As far as I know the only version of her to show her childhood is in the tv show Gotham. I think you’d enjoy it so I’ll put the Ivy spoilers below in case you plan to watch it.
Her father was abusive and was framed for the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne and was killed by Harvey Bullock when he tried to kill Gordon. Her mother killed herself afterwards, leaving her to fend for herself. She ended up on the street and was thankfully adopted into a family of street kids that included a young Selina Kyle. And that’s pretty much her back story. There’s more to her storyline but I’m too lazy to go into it.
I love Gotham By Gaslight so much easily my favorite Elseworlds story I really want to see a Live Action version, I also didn't see the Gordon twist coming at all, I was thinking Two Face and maybe Jack was Harveys other half or maybe Joker
Hi Meg 😊, love the fact you reacted to this movie really underrated don't think you realized that the three orphans were Jason, dick, and tim, or the big buff dude in the prison was human Solomon grundy.
It flew over my head 😂
“Even joker doesn’t have that level of misogyny”
I like you said “that level” implying he still is a misogynist.
I mean look at how he treats Harley. But one could make an argument that the joker mistreats Harley because he can and he thinks it’s funny, I don’t think he has any special hatred for women, anymore than he’s a racist or a homophobe.
I’m sure he’d happily act that way to torture/scare/intimidate his victims. But he’s an equal opportunities oppressor.
Real bigotry and real prejudice that Jack/Jim was demonstrating here kinda seems serious when the joker is anything but.
This one was so well done. Gordon was terrifying because his extreme motivations are realistically reached.😬
Check out Gotham: The Doom that Came to Gotham.
It's Lovecraftian.🤓
I watched this a while ago and liked it but remembering not wanting to watch it again.
I was curious why and watched your video and now I know.
Because it’ll take a week to get “Can you tame wiiild womeeen?” Out of my head again.
Right now I’m even typing in that rhythm.
Help me!
One of my favorite elseworld's for sure
Hello Again Meg i'm on now watching you react to
Batman: Gotham by Gaslight with Batman going
against Jack the Ripper this sounds really great
and i'm glad that you are watching it, take care
and have a great weekend Thank You Meg.🤠👋
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Jack the Ripper being a cop isn't a theory I've heard, but it would make sense. Unfortunately, it's one mystery that will never be solved.
There is a very good fan film based on the comic as well called “Ripper”. However instead of taking place in Gotham, it takes place in London. Batman works with the actual inspector tied to the case, Abberline to find Jack the Ripper. It’s one of my favorite fan films and I believe a sequel is in the works with Penguin. Oh and there’s also a cameo from the Scarecrow.
You should watch Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders and Batman vs. Two-Face. Those two are a huge love letter to the 60's Adam West TV show, down to getting lots of the original cast, including West himself shortly before he passed away. It's got everything from the "Holy X, Batman" jokes and puns to the "POW" sound effects.
It is entirely possible, given his era and background, that Gordon got Syphilis from a sex worker during the Civil War. Syphilis eventually eats away at brain tissue.
Will you watch My Adventures With Superman.
This is an amazing movie, especially being in the Victorian/Post Civil War time!!! I love the Marlene character since instead of naming her Harleen, they made it more Arleen's personality. Definitely glad that Tara Strong got to be her voice! I would fully recommend “The Doom that came to Gotham” because of it being based in the 1920's 1930's and has a full "Lovecraft" feel. Also the villains have really great new backgrounds as well as Bruce!
I know that this is exciting, but you should know that this is not the whole story, It is based on a comic book that DC made. But in the story, it was never Jim Gordon, It was revealed that it was a friend of the wayne family who hated bruce's parents I forgot his name but he was jack the ripper.
The comic is even better.
I disagree. I found that Jack was so obvious and thus boring from the start, while in the film they made this huge interesting twist.
Read the comic. You'll love the art and the atmosphere and world building is much better.
You should read the comic. You'll love the art and the atmosphere and world building is much better.
Watch the doom that came to gotham next
This was a lot more interesting than I thought it would be. Different era Batman stories have always been hit or miss with me, but I enjoyed this movie
The comic went a bit further with the Victorian London vibes, with Bruce coming back to America after learning from Sherlock Holmes.
They did that in the movie as well although leaves it ambiguous if he learned from Holmes or the doctor that inspired Doyle to create Holmes.
Megan if you enjoyed Batman in Victorian era Gotham. You should watch Batman Ninja.
Batman bad blood is really good too, also son of Batman
One of the best Elseworld DC adaptations Ive ever seen as it really takes creative liberties with the Batman mythos in such a bold and creative way while maintaining elements of the character in such a unique Victorian era setting and yet doesnt try too hard to pander to the Batman lore or canon. I especially loved the Jim Gordon Jack the Ripper twist as it was so bold and ingenious because no would've ever suspected Jim Gordon of all people to be the infamous serial killer. Seriously I was absolutely flabbergasted when I saw that twist
I hope you'll watch the batman 2022 also...
bro shes reactin every batman movie except The Batman 😭😭😭😭
There _was_ a Gotham by Gaslight game in the works, with some early alpha gameplay footage, but it got canned
15:39 not a bad voice
The twist in this movie is fantastic!
Just my opinion, but the movie is so much better than the comic.
The choice to make Gordon of all characters, Jack the Ripper is a stroke of incredible genius. And not just a villain, but one that is arguably far more dangerous a fighter than Batman, considering that he beats the shit out of Bats. Not only that, Bats doesn't even really beat him, Gordon chooses to "cleanse" himself.
The whole movie is fantastic and easily my absolute favorite DC animated flick
Please watch superman vs the elite!
Cool 😎 movie
Not going to lie with you, I remember watching this movie and it brought some AC Syndicate moments out of me that make me see Jacob Frye as a Batman figure if he was serious 😅 also I don’t know if you heard, that there is going to be a Kryptonian coming in this comic book series. As we going to see possibly a Superman in Gaslight form
are you guys gonna react to the MCU again ???
it's been almost a year since your Endgame reaction
They’ve been reacting to some of the pre-Phase 4 MCU television shows, like Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
I meant proper MCU, like Spider-Man Far From Home and then phase 4@@Rendezvous22
You get slashed and hacked and not scream, Jeez!
This Movie Was Awesome To Watch!
Good elsewhere story but the new owner of d.c hates elsewhere stories no doubt anymore coming out anytime soon
Anywho d.c 👍🏼
Marvel 👎