Does Soviet Bias Exist In Enlisted?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 02. 2023
- Never thought I would utter the phrase "Soviet Bias" in a serious manner, but that's Enlisted for you. People apparently still think that, since Gaijin used to be headquartered in Russia (and possibly Darkflow Studios, the developers of Enlisted), that means if any Soviet weapon or vehicle is overpowered, then it is deliberate. This video uses statistics and unbiased facts to explain whether "Soviet bias" is a real thing.
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Once when I was playing Battle of Berlin I shot an IS 2 in the ammo with a 75mm APHE round and it was fine. Then after I died I bombed it with a stuka right on top of it twice and it was fin for a second time.(not saying this was bias)
I dont know if they already exist, but seems you missed the 3 undestroyable Tanks in Moscow campain? T50 , T34 and second T34 can only get deadly hits from LVL 39 P IV tank, while the LVL39 Tanks can destroyed from a T60, so al you have to do is camping in a t34 150-200 Meters from the battlefield and chill :D
Sounds suspiciously like something a Gaijin partner would say
"Soviet Bias isn't real" *people playing against Kremlins in WoWs*
Soviet Bias isnât real.
It was never about the actual soviet bias, it was always about making fun of gaijin
Many people (including in the comments and dislike button pressers) seem to believe it's real though...
@@MajorMcDonalds while it is not real it definitely feels real when you play cuz ppsh's are very obnoxious.
@@MajorMcDonaldsill you be live today at one pm? Est
@@MajorMcDonalds those dumbs just biased on the myth that reichs had effectiveness of that luxury overpriced shit like KT or G43 highest in WW2. such image of sinless ubermensches you know. so they complain at every single moment when Soviets or even Americans beat them. cast of everlasting losers
@@user-hj1kn9qp5w it was irl.
I would say Enlisted has a severe case of USA bias solely based on the existence of the 10-HVAR P-47 đ
The Russians like the p-47 and p-63 b/c extensive use with lend lease
Vault's spreadsheet and real AVT-40 recoil stats say hello:)
Highly upvoted.
yeah kinda weird that he didnt bother to come up with this but show the ingame stats which are known to be corrupted (even if you just play the game).
But he came with stats you know... we just didnt see them.
The avt-40 doesn't recoil while the Gehrer is like firing a handcannon
In other words gaijin is biased towards whatever you aren't playing
If there is no bias
Then why soviet smgslike ppd and ppsh have higher fire rate and they are more accurate than german lmgs like mg34 and mg42
3:40, you should have mentioned about the T-34 that is inpenetrable by ANY TANK except Pz. IV F at the end of campaign. Also the air war, axis get some decent planes, but they are NOTHING compared to the russian ones, everyone of them is able to bomb you, rocket you, and has more guns than you, so while dogfighting the only thing you can wish for is that the player sucks at it. Imo devs should get rid of repeating the bf 109, bf 110 in Moscow and add some early Fw 190, that can destroy enemy planes and have some bombs (even 2 with 50kg would be cool).
cry harder wehraboo
Ever since I unlocked the PPSH-41 I started to believe in this hypothesis. But my assumption was partially verified when I unlocked the AVT and Fedorov. I thought that these two weapons were subpar when compared to the FG-42 and STG-44 since I was previously grinding Normandy. But 12 damage and negligible recoil when fully upgraded and the fact that the bots can literally run around with a select fire rifle which is by default on full auto coupled with the handy bayonet were enough to change my mind. But ultimately I do concur with your viewpoint. It is not really the weapons which determine the quality of a faction but the occasional shifts in the player base which makes some factions appear to look more OP than others. Case in point Pacific Axis.
Don't get me wrong, those weapons you mentioned are POWERFUL and some of the best, if not the best, in the game. But equating this to "Soviet bias" is simply untrue
Yeah exactly. I fully do concur with the statistics based approach which you have employed in the video. Keep up the good work Major!
@@debayanghatak1521 Thank you! I wonder whether others will agree haha...
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Big case in point there. I've played more Moscow and Normandy axis campaigns than anything else and I notice way more one-sided matches in Pacifc and either faction can lose hard. The closest thing I see to it on other campaigns is the d-day map where axis can lock it down on the first or second objective and win easily but if those defenses fail it usually means the Allies team in the match is just that much better and will proceed to stomp because the other objectives aren't anywhere near as hard.
You were already answered on forums - go try Stalingrad. The KV-1, reload of SVT vs Gewehr 41, best assaulter plane with rockets, best bomber (lvl fucking 5!), make the "Soviet bias" real there.
You can fight back since you grab lvl 26 Mkb... But only 1 of 100 gets there. And what you call "certain levels" is actually 80+% of the Stalingrad campaign stomped by Soviets.
As for Moscow and Berlin - Moscow is fairly balanced, while Berlin is just shitty designed balanced with Soviets constantly attacking. So some easy conquests of Soviets are not because of bias, but because of good routes made for them. If Axis could run that side of Herman Herring s StraĂe, or Ministry Garden - they could di that as well
I really like Berlin. Though of course the early German weapons absolutely suck, I have even seen a guy with an MP3008 wipe my squad full of PPSHs before I can react cause he's better at aiming for the head. Was very humbling when that happened
You're not wrong, early German Berlin campaign weapons aren't exactly "great" if you compare them to their counterparts, but it doesn't mean they're useless!
That's the only proper way to play Berlin Axis though. All my squads have VG. 2s and MP3008s, it's a lot more immersive that way đ
@@MajorMcDonalds nah panzer 4 vs t34 85 is just sad. pz will get destroyed in one shot
I think people say this because, Berlin and Moscow Axis are arguably the most stomped factions in the game right now and it's easy to connect losing a lot of matches with the OP soviet equipment
Berlin Axis is arguably the strongest faction in the game.
@@TheDAWinz Soviets have the advantage in that one though
Japanese axis in the Pacific laughing in the corner.
@@TheDAWinz they are in the late game, but early? nah, they suffer in early
@@TheDAWinz you need to grind a lot to get good axis weapons and even then the tanks are kinda poo-poo
I don't say there is or isn't Soviet bias. I play the Soviet faction in Berlin and got like 80-90% win rate in my second most played campaign. Which is quite a lot i think. I don't play the axis side that much but to me it feels that Soviet is better in the Berlin campaign.
The soviets absolutely have a better selection of small arms than Germany, and in the hands of a cracked player that can swing the overall winrate in their favor for sure. As an axis Berlin player, I don't really mind losing, because it's obviously a losing fight, but it does suck that winning makes progression shorter. Frankly the only thing I could honestly say is wrong with Berlin is that the AVS needs to be nerfed holy fuck.
I'm new to the game, so take this with a grain of salt. I've played allies in Normandy and axis in Moscow, and I would say its not about weapon balancing, but map balancing. Normandy feels as allies meat grinder and Moscow feels as axis meat grinder
Which were historcially accurate , lol. Don't even consider the balance issue because they don't even have a match-making system that is fair.
â@@macobuziyes match making is atrocious
its not the weapons that are the problem its usually the maps fault because more closed up maps with lots of rooms and corridors favor the ppsh+d variants yet a bit more open maps favor the mp 40 considering its much more accurate at further ranges and the only thing that needs reworks are maps
I can agree with this, yes, in many ways you are right
@@MajorMcDonalds if anything there is soviet bias in maps XD...im joking ofc but there is a certain bias...and thats japanese bias considering i got 90% winrate at lvl 10
The MP40 is as accurate as the PPSh but nice try.
@@dengisten-speer6659 burp rate of fire makes it hard to shoot btw i main axis in berlin but somstimes play as soviets in moscow
@@theenclave8811 Has almost same fire rate and similar recoil stats/ evne same rof as the MP43.
Just like in real military, grass always seems greener on The other side. Irl soviets thought german SMGs were better than their own, and germans thought russian SMGs were amazingly better than theirs.
That Said, its interesting that everytime i feel like im getting My ass beaten in Berlin i just pick up soviet AVS And i start getting kills, hmmm
The only possible case I could think of right now is the t-34/85 in Berlin as the soviets starter tank, because it still has a fighting chance even against higher level axis tanks and the panzer 4 is just no match for it.
same in Moscow campaign as the t60 absolutely wrecks infantry and can take out the panzer 3b with ease as the panzer 3b cant pen it. meanwhile the bt 7 can penetrate the panzer 2
You better use your first gold order vehicle to buy a Panther G in Berlin, It kicks T-34-85 ass and saves you a lot of painful grinds to level 12 to actually can buy Panther, Pz4 J is just a piece of crap!
my belief in soviet bias was also fueled more when i learned the fact that avt has in fact different stats that the game shows in menu and different stats in reality that i had to datamine ... but i have a suspicion that AVT performes way too better than it should, at least from what ive seen on gameplay videos .... and is on purpose even better than some assault rifles in here because for too long this strange gun behavior is not dealt with ... but i had the same opinion on ppsh with drum ... that the gun is the best general purpose gun .... and now after some updates people also use ppd 40
same goes to fg42, and now there is visible difference between fg42 II and regular one , so avt might be fixed as well, but now its way better than Akt-40 or Avs-36 or any other SA rifle in the game with exception of G43 kurz regarding quadros tierlist
Also the fact that soviets received guns like AS-44 and Fedorov MG for money is also kinda disturbing in my opinion and counter in form mg42 and stg45 is not as good ...but im not going to make noise about it , just saying
Well. If the dude really refers to the ingame stats, I dont expect much to be honest.
I started to play enlisted because i wanted a free WW2 shooter I thought it had no fanbase when I started out but here I am just a month into the game and I just found a home you earned a sub man!
In summary:
Allies: Mediocre Effort
Axis: Extra Effort
I mostly agree with you, but only looking at what the two sides end up with is not completely fair, as I don't think most people max out all campaigns... I consider myself a very active player, and I've been very active for the last 4-5 months and I Only have Normandy Axis maxed out, nothing else... a faction getting stronger weapons earlier is a slight bias in my opinion. But yeah, I don't think this bias is always towards the Soviets, it's just always one of the sides being slightly better... as an example, the Axis get way better weapons early on in Normandy, they get semi autos faster in Tunisia... and yeah, the other side will get the fancy weapons eventually, but it still sucks to play against superior weapons :D
3 assaulter squads, 4 assault troops in each squad, all get a PPSH-41 and a large ammo pouch. Thatâs over 2,000 rounds for one person to use however they choose. You would be crazy not to play the soviets.
Also the matches go by crazy fast when you are further in the campaign. I had a match last for only 9 and a half minutes.
but its balanced! dont mind the fact that the germans dont get a comparison or if they do its late in the techtree, which is completely mute seeing to grind up to that level will take fucking ages get your face smashed in every game.
It could be and it could be not. It can be argued that there is going to be bias in every single campaign. However, the bias itself is not intentional.
We can always forgive Darkflow for Moscow because it is their first campaign. They did learn from it eventually.
Normandy, ya can argue, has German Bias. Then, some high level American player spawn in a P-47 and completely ruin the game, securing an American victory. So, American bias.
Berlin has been discussed.
Tunisia is a unique one as it shows what a truly balanced game should look like. Each weapon type your faction uses has each own advantages over its adversaries. For example, Carcanoes have a higher effective firing rate than what the Brits are fielding, while trading damage and magazine size. Then, Italian SMGs are highly controllable and accurate while allied SMGs offer you a high firing rate. In Tunisia, the maps are far more open, which means that the Axis can finally use their SMGs to good use. As for tanks, the allies have inferior light tanks, but dreaded mediums. The Axis have flexible mediums and good ones.
Another example is semi autos. As the Italians, you get the Armaguerra while the Brits got the M1 Carbine. The Armaguerra is a full rifle with a full rifle damage, but it is still low and you have only 6 rounds. The M1 carbine has 15 pieces of ammo and fires quickly, but deals significantly less damage and has less accuracy than the Armaguerra. This is extremely balanced, as the two has their own strengths and weaknesses that balances out each other without overwhelming the other.
I feel that for any future campaigns to make it more balanced and less "biased", Darkflow should learn what made Tunisia balanced in the first place.
I mean like in the battle of Moscow at the start of the tech tree the soviets do get way better starter weapons like the ppd and the ppd with the drums mag but the Germans do kinda catch up at the end of the tech tree
You can clearly see that they develop this game from Soviet perspective. Take the games logo for example, red star and two Mosins. Or all in-game icons show Soviet weapons. Or in the replays, the Soviet side is per default the allied (blue) side. And many more..
I don't say that they consciously bias the Soviet side. But it's clear that they do it subconsciously.
I think its more that the average soviet player has better equipment than the average axis player
That could potentially be the case, yes. Impossible for us to know for definite though, and also the statement requires players to be a different average level on either side
@@MajorMcDonalds As an addendum, I should say that early soviet unlocks are superior to the axis equivalents, thus creating an unbalance.
An example would be the level 11 ppd 34/38 and the mp40 in moscow being poorly balanced unlocks and also being what a large portion of the newer players will have. I think this and my original comment are where the soviet bias thing come from.
@@MajorMcDonalds You dont even know the real weapon stats so no wonder you dont know it,
bro if i 5 shoot with 93mm pen on the side of a KV1 and it somehow doesnt get trough even in the cam wtf
I might be very late in this, I do agree there isnât much of a Soviet bias. The only problem is that it feels like their unlocks come to early like the semi auto sniper and drum PPD in Berlin, mean while The Germans gets a bolt action sniper and a semi auto rifle on a assaulter.
I kind of agree. Remember that post that said "Pacific Axis is too OP"? I disagreed in that post. I honestly thought that Japan had in fact inferior equipment to USA (how do you compare a shotgun to a melee weapon?)
Honestly I think the reason that pacific axis stomps is because of the *PLAYERBASE* . The majority of the actual good players are in Pacific axis and the majority of the newbies in pacific are in the allies
Berlin? That's not bias, that's historical accuracy. By that time, the Soviets had superior equipment and the Germans had inferior equipment. That's a fact.
But you are also correct with that made up quote. I sometimes really suck at aiming. And i accept it and plan to get better.
I'd say it's due to the more experienced players not wanting what seemed to be Normandy 2. With me being among them. So we had teams of folks with days of total battle time stacked on the Japanese team with folks who seemed to have just pick up the game on the US side for the first week or so. Nowadays it's more balanced since so many veteran players have maxed the campaign.
I Agree.
Hail to the Major!
"Russian bias" and the sarcastic "Germany suffers" are used on forum and Reddit to cry how the other team is better. An allies main will always blaim German weapons for his loss while an axis main will always blaim allies weapons for his loss.
I know it's a copium meme but many people (including in the comments, reddit, forums and those who disliked the video) all seem to think Soviet bias is actually a thing...
@@MajorMcDonalds looking at my win-rate with Moscow Soviets today being 0% I strongly disagree with the comment section
I thought i noticed it with the tanks personally.
Germany having superior combined arms capability facing soviet superior small arms is a good dichotomy in theory, the problem being that using the full capability of germany's arsenal requires the team to be working together, which almost never happens. I've been the victim of a whole german team obviously communicating over discord while i was Moscow Allies, and holy fuck there is quite literally nothing you can do, all the OP subguns in the world can't get past the blitzkrieg.
My thoughts about this bias isnât the weapons provided but when they are provided, a lot of really fucking great Soviet smogs are available right off the bat while German forces have to spend considerable time and energy going through more than a dozen levels to get the mp40, donât forget the t-50 and t-34 is unkillable by any axis tank unless you unlock the panzer 4 F-2 at the last slot in the campaign, then we have how the ppsh is the most mind numbing weapon in the game to begin with. No need to aim or think just pull the trigger and one man can kill a squad, even 2 squads if he is accurate enough. Itâs just not fair. Sure the mp-40 can counter a ppsh, that is of the mp-40 gets the drop on him and pray he doesnât get a shot off. You shouldnât have to get a one tap rifle to deal with ppshs from range, the funny part is those damn ppshs can nail you from a long range as well đ put a damn scope on it and call it a sniper at this point.
T-50 at level 1 is whack. T-34-85 is better than every Axis tank until level 31 in Berlin. etcccccc. There's a reason people gravitate to the campaigns the way they do, because they are easier. There is prob no "hard bias" but they dgaf about fixing things as fast on soviets.
I'm a max level Moscow allies player let me give my two cents...
It's very easy to feel that you are very over powered and slaughtering the enemy taking first place in almost every game you play...
But why is this?...
For me I can still get stomped in Moscow by the axis but this is when they actually have a good team or stacked team of 2 or more marshalls or similar very good players with usually a much higher skill level or equipment...
The reason I mentioned I get first place so often is because for the majority of my games NOBODY IS PLAYING MOSCOW AXIS...
You can tell this by holding tab for the scoreboard before a game and you can see who are real players before bot players are spawned in...
I play on NA servers but can you imagine people getting in a game with me even if my team doesn't have the good equipment I have or if I'm the only one building rallies and playing the objective...
It's so easy for me to outperform other players with their bolt action rifles when mowing down hoards of bot players with my ppsh and max rolled perk soldiers not to mention avs and other weapons.....
But again... If the axis team is competent and actually plays with good skill and I'm the only max player and player playing the objective they will always win and there are plenty of good axis weapons in Moscow like the kiraly and mk42 or whatever the early stg is there I've gotten dumped on plenty of times by the sniper mk42 squads and German mgs which are much better than the Soviet ones...
I would also like to add that enlisted's factions are asymmetrically balanced and just because the avs is better than the German semi auto unlock doesn't mean much because Germans will have better weapons (mgs usually) in another category for another style of play...
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Their MGs have worst accuracy apart from the ZB.
I had a guy claim that Berlin was biased towards the soviets ive played about 10 games I lost every game except for one because of a lack of people especially skilled people playing the soviets in that map
wait for the merge when the germans bring eastern front weapons to the western front, this is a PPSH41 reference also known as MP717r on the german side, thats gonna be a massive handicap for germany its historical thats why im not even mad about it, just a fair warning for the american players, on the other side the americans get the drum magazines from tunisia for their thompsons.
Iâd argue Soviet players having the KV-1 in Stalingrad is quite a Russian bias given new players have to face that in panzer 3s that canât do peanuts against it unless very very lucky
I agree that the KV-1 is quite OP in this campaign, but it's still not "bias" in the literal definition of the word. There are ways to counter it, and yes I admit it may be difficult for some who don't know how to counter it, and yes, the enemy may lack a suitable tank equivalent at that same level to counter it, but at the later levels, they will have TNT charges, explosive packs, better tanks, etc, all to deal with it.
@@MajorMcDonalds the problem is exacerbated if you did not buy the stalingrad pay 2 win pass, as potent anti-tank options are heavily restricted, the only tank you can get is the panzer iv f2, which is at level 13, and the potez 633 which is at level 22. You're restricted to fighting kv1s with just infantry anti tank weapons that won't do much unless you ambush the tank. All kv1s have to do is stay at the back of the line and be impossible to reach unless you can get the antitank at level 8. But with a bad score you'll reach it in a very slow time even with premium. That campaign is very unbalanced
I play berlin allies north american servers and I consistently build rally points and literally any tip given to me, but I still lose 70% of games. This is because of the teammates that you get assigned in berlin allies. The skill issue of these people alone will negate any kind of soviet bias.
I like how most people call it bias, when the holy snail is just making weapons and vehicles accurate to how they were IRL. The PPSh is a good example, it's powerful in game because it was IRL. Even German infantry praised them, and used them extensively when they captured them
some of them who say russian bias is because of the 71g/mag of the ppsh, ppd
but com'on guys, that was what the soviet had in 1940s
Yes.
No.
Did you mean to make it sound like war thunder and World of Tanks have the same devs at 0:13 because their definitely not. If you meant enlisted then It was just worded wrongly because enlisted is more infantry focused.
In the end its much like the real thing.
Better soldiers get better equipment by their respective army.
Yet even a Campaign lv1 rifleman with a Kar98k can one-shot a Max level Soviet with Rd-44 without even having to aim for his head, as long as the player using him is good enough. (you really don't need to be a great player if you managed catch the pro by surprise, as long as you can take the shot.)
Thatâs why in war thunder I play Soviet union and USA
Tbh sometimes u lose cz ur team has less experienced players, not cz ur side is bad
In Berlin the russians get the PPD 40 while the germans get the volksturmgewehr
The only Soviet bias is the T-34 vs the Panzer III J1 lol but they added the Panzer IV F2 so it don't matter now
Bro. 99% of people in this game are under level 30, the level 1 t-50 dominates everything until level 33 or w/e
@@valdurion6779 Stuka beats T-50
@@chrishoward7733 and the level 1 russian biplanes beats every german plane. The Il2 beats stuka.
@@valdurion6779 that's actually subjective depending on if u can hit with rockets or not
Is that a new haircut cause it looks cool
also, you should make a video compair soviet/german/american-brit play style
imo, most of soviet weapons are good at close range, german ones work better at longer distance, while american/brit/canadian stuffs work fine at any range. japanese guns? beside the sig1920 and type hei, they are just meh
There is simply no Soviet bias in the Moscow campaign, just go to the Eastern Europe server at 16:00 Moscow time and you will see a huge number of good players for the Axis side. I as a person with over 1000 games in the Moscow campaign have 69% (670 battles) winrate for the Red Army and 82%!!! (500 battles) for the Axis.
Okay, now it's 83%.
Why are the people who were genocided by the germans playing as the germans wtf
Not a bias but they do get some advantages compared to axis but axis also gets some advantages aswell like Berlin the first mg the axis get the mg34 compared to the mg the Soviets get the mg34 is just better compared but the Soviet gets a semi auto rifle that gets a bayonet that's an advantage over the gewehr 43 it's not bias but they do have advantages even if there minor
It's difficult to compare an MG to a rifle class weapon, especially when different troops can equip the thing. Gewehr 43 is actually very good in my mind, in terms of "general power" I'd almost say they're equal, but this requires ignoring all the differences between a rifle class weapon and an MG, which many may decide is impossible to do
@@MajorMcDonalds no I compared the German mg to the Russian one then compared the gewehr 43 to the Soviet semi auto at the same level
The MG34 is less accurate than the DP.
@@dengisten-speer6659 the recoil is insane on the dp has worse sights and less ammo it's just the worse weapon compared to mg34
@@elitebeachgaming it has 3 less rounds... i dont know where that is a gamebreaker but idk. the dp has worse recoil but better dispersion, and better dispersion multipliers for moving, both hipfiring and ads
I just wish that they would give the Germans in moscow some drum fed Finnish submachine guns. Early game that campaign is horrible for Germans who don't spend money on a few suomi's , and now you can't even get them. An mp28 with a twenty round magazine is not equal to a ppd .
>No soviet bias in Enlisted
>Looks at the no recoil SMG's and busted Pre-AK-47 premium squads
Yeah i just got done playing some Battle of Berlin on both sides and yeah, The Germans get heavily fucked over because of the stats of the firearms. The Soviets have Zero recoil, Better spread, Better drop(Little to none) and better DPS units, The Germans are firing rotary muskets, Have insane drop on most weapons and shooting people with airsoft 8mm rounds. And i'm Russian so..Yeah, This game is trash.
By literal definition:
Fedorov Automat is lit better than the IRL version of it with 200rpm more and has less recoil than Kilary, a SMG with half the bullet size the Fedorov has...
The only faction that gets a lgit LMG(in the name) as rifleman weapon
Shotgun is actually better than most of SMG for the US though...
If same skill players use AVT40, Fedorov and aS44 vs FG42 and StG44, I bet the one with soviet weapon...
There is literally no way to not make a ppsh overpowered
Spread? Recoil? Sight picture? Ammo capacity?
@@AbsolutelyRadSHOC in a game where a bullet can be a one shot kill of course a gun that shoots 1250 rounds per minute is overpowered
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@@elkosins1686 Those bullets are an entirely different caliber. You're comparing calibers like 7.92x57 to 9x19. So while PPSH will need 3 - 4 shots to kill enemy someone skilled can do it in just 1 shot of bolt action.
They should have made it an Eastern Front campaign instead of moscow and add Suomi KP/-31 on axis side đ
"MP 28"
Russian bias in World of Tanks was so painfully obvious but still some people choose to deny it. It isn't that the best Russian tanks were that much better than the best tanks of other trees, but the bad tanks of other nations are so much worse and there are so much more of them.
Even though Gajin is a Russian company, I don't think they are bias toward the Soviets. The reason people think so probably because Soviets has very strong guns in the early campaigns, specifically PPD-40 and solid tanks, which is actually historically accurate since German was kicking Soviets' ass early by superior tactics and elements of suprise, not superior weaponry.
In the mid to late game, Germans have the advantage. STG-44 and Tiger are most OP things in the game!
"In the mid to late game, Germans have the advantage. STG-44 and Tiger are most OP things in the game!" the fedorov is just better. like. its just. better. and the is1 is pretty balanced against the tiger all cheeks considered
yes
no :)
@@MajorMcDonalds that's fair
I've only been playing for about a month but if anything I agree there's axis bias the Soviets have better weapons it's just the truth but I almost always win as the axis but if I play Soviets I hardly ever win
the russians didnt have a bazzoka so the idiots at gaijin gave them German panzerfausts
Stolen weapons. Soviets push germans back from home after Stalingrad.
There is no bias, the soviets are the only ones without paratroopers, its the opposite they are the underdogs cuz everyone wants to play germany.
I think this is missing the true bias in this game. Allies on Tunisia đ. Easiest games ive had in my entire career in the game ong
I think Leaningstrasse proved why Soviet Bias doesn't exist
Don't remind me
@@MajorMcDonalds I mean, it's the perfect example of Soviet Bias not existing (and also the perfect example that Premium Squads are god awful)
Nah. Not even latvian bias? ( Darkflow has Headquarters there I think ) . There is only bad balancing bias, Moscow Axis got their good smg too late ( the Kiraly ), as you said same problem in Normandy ( StG against Thompson bAlAnS ). Also ZH 29 is miles better than AVS, sure it might be *usable* at close range as a point blank BRRRRRRRRRT but ZH is so much better mid range and long range. Thanks for reading my rant on DarkflowÂŽs way of balancing.
War thunder top tier has bias...
I think partly the experienced bias towards Soviet guns and armor is that it comes from people who lived on the western side of the iron curtain. They grew up in an environment where propaganda about Soviet bad was rife and even if they didn't grow up themselves during the cold war their parents and teachers often did. Westerners have this idea of Soviet technology being cobbled together by incompetent people, even though the Soviets at many times were technologically ahead of the west. I mean they reached space before anyone else did. With this unconsious expectation of Soviets being poorly equipped it can come as a shock when Soviet weaponry can be on par or even better than it's western counterparts. This is also exacerbated by the fall of the Soviet Union and many people not quite understanding what a massive hit that did to Russian arms. Russia today isn't the Soviet Union and Soviet war materiel from the 60s, 70s or 80s obviously won't stand up to western war materiel today even if it was on par and sometimes surpassed western technology back then. I think this expectation plays into it. The developers obviously have to balance the game but not that many rifles for example were actually issued. When we play a game today we want to unlock new cool stuff to use in our games but developers only have so many rifles to pick from. Therefore they have to go for prototypes or designs that only existed on paper which can be hard to balance since they may have had specifications that were good, but there was a reason they never made it to actual production. The Soviets did a LOT of research into rifles and made many different designs and prototypes. Not to mention that many things simply aren't modelled in a game which can make some things better than others. The Soviets used a lot of drum mags for example, like for the PPSH. Drum mags have their drawbacks, they have a much higher chance of failure than box mags and they are a lot more combersome to carry. This isn't modelled into most games, Enlisted included, and therefore you only get the benefits (larger magazine size) without any of the drawbacks.
The best tank in the world doesnt have the highest blow up ratio and the Soviets had probably the worst main machine gun (DP) of all nations.
KT still better than IS-2. 1 hit from KT and your dead or atleast almost dead. KT can take hits
thats not how enlisted tank combat works... tanks dont have set hitpoints or anything like that, both tanks can die in one hit or not die in one hit
in short :SKILL ISSUE
In 99% of cases, basically yes lol
@@MajorMcDonalds tbh it wasnt really abt the bias it was abt making fun of the snaiil
Just play the Berlin Soviets and you would know that the Soviet bias is non existent
ah yes axis has more players currently, so therefore the equipment is completely balanced, makes sense
That stuff Russian Bais is Either maded up by people who know how to play certin wapond and they call it OP or maded up thing by complitly noobs who cand do things.
Preach!
@@MajorMcDonalds its what i called Skill issue
Fed Avtom is 0.5 more accurate than the StG or Mkb and has no weakness but I guess skill makes the least accurate gun more accurate.
Idk dude. When you get 80% win rate on one side of a campain and 50% on the other... well something isn't right.
I'm not talking about societ specificly. For me the worst is normandy. 86% winrate with germans (lvl29)
And 44% with the allies (lvl37). It does seems like it is unbalanced since I happen to be the same player.
This win rate difference is PURELY team diff. Currently, it is well known that more players (and GOOD players) play the Soviets in Moscow and Berlin. That discrepancy is 100% not "bias"
@@MajorMcDonalds it might be partialy team diff i would agree. But dude. You can't tell me that a M3A1 is as good as an mp 40...
The early mid campain of the allies are awfull until the m2 carabine. And I'm not sure how quadro rabked it above the fg 42 honestly. (I love both the guns but m2 has its issues realy). Most player don't get above lvl 20.
It is the same for a lot of soviet vs axis campain. In wich early to mid game unlocks are way better for the soviets. And remember 80% of the players of any game is under lvl 20.
So yeah campain are pretty balanced at max level. But most player won't ever get there. That s why they call out soviet bias.
@@zcreation9243 Don't worry, I completely agree with you that some weapons are better than others like the ones you mentioned. But saying the whole campaign suffers from some sort of bias as a result is the wrong conclusion to draw.
You are also correct that many players may never get to the max level, but equally, it doesn't matter. There will never be a case where an entire lobby of players are the same level on both sides of the campaign, like an entire lobby of level 11s in the Moscow campaign with the PPD 34/38 and MP 40s on either side. Only at this point would you FEEL the weapon imbalance, which is again not "bias", but it is an imbalance, you are right. But the chance of this is like 1 in a million, considering Darkflow's current lack of a matchmaking system.
Instead, what you will get are like 3 guys on one team with either max level stuff or near-max stuff, and then only one guy on the other team with the same. The team with the 3 guys should win more often than not, explaining why people say "bias", but most of the time these 3 guys are more experienced, or they are better players, and the one guy on the other team, no matter how good he is, may struggle to beat them, even if "bias" is "on his side"
Same for me in Stalingrad. I have 86 for Soviets there and 39 for Axis, lol. NA server. And on European servers my Axis winrate was 33%
Despite to the point that my Berlin is 82 / 79.
@@MajorMcDonalds I don't really have much complain on the grind or weapon balancing in Enlisted as a free-to-play player. However, I hope Darkflow can implement some sort of better rank/match-making system to balance the number of high level players on both factions. (For example, encourage some players to switch into the less-chosen faction during match-making using rewards/applying XP on both campaign factions)
As fighting one-sided battles are either boring or frustrating....
I agree there's no bias when it comes to weapons.
Map design on the other hand... 100% there's bias towards certain factions.
I hope darkflow spend time improving existing maps as much as humanly possible because maps like Ver-sur-Mer on Assault is an absolute nightmare for the allies.
Kahif cave village needs a total rework, worst map in the game and everyone agrees hands down.
They need to redesign or tweak these maps and also implement a system where I'm not the only gold rank VS a stacked team of gold ranks cause it's ridiculous and makes me not care to play that match.
Oh dear, Im an excellent player and thats were the russian bias is kicking in. The weapons play a second role to that too. First, the russian AI i far more accurate and hits you in sight of line even a mile away which results in one hit kills. When you aim at any of them they avoid by running, jumping, and laying down. In addition they dont burn (the fire burns just around them) or HESH does not kill them. Direct hits from bombs do not explode their tanks. Ive seen so much bullshit that it is evidence enough for me.
Meanwhile my lvl 3 5 star AI teammates do absolutely shit and dont even shot when the enemy is just 5m away. They all die sometimes just in less than a second. I park them behind a building I fight alone forward next moment all or most of them are dead. When a grenade falls next to them they do nothing apart from screaming. You dont believe in a bias, yeah because youre to poor at the game to encouter it. Ill give you my login credentials and try to play against them its beyond logic. When i get back an play against US or the Pacific campaing it feels i play a practice target game. 2nd to the weapons who results often getting killed by the first shot from a PPSH while with the P40 i have to put way more bullets to get him down and do in addition the final kill.
i like how you barely use stats and dont even bring up the vault stats in your "statistical" analysis
Out of all responses to the fact that Soviet stats are better to the point where it is a joke, this is probably the most entertaining. Like what was the point of refering back to the origin of the slogan? Nobody really cares about it in a Enlisted discussion. It is pointless. I also like that you will "only use facts" as an argument, but fail to argue with the Vault list with the actual weapon stats since its common knowledge that the ingame stats are mostly wrong. And well, if stats dont matter and not skill, then why do people spam the Tiger and not the Panzer IV H? If your answer is better armor and cannon, Heil Himmler, you and the players prefer stats. No, dont even come with stats beyond win rates, your game experience and a event where you only show the scoreboards. But wait, we had an event and the Axis won. Yeah, too bad that you didnt say which faction/ theatre people choose because I think its mostly Axis Berlin and Normandy vs. Allies Berlin and maybe some P-47 spammers. Doubt that there were many Tunisian Allies or Japanese.
"BuT ToZ is NoT FaIr AgAiNsT mP28". Well mate. How many PPD vs. MP40 and MP28 vs. TOZ-B situation are e.g. in Moscow or Normandy if you want to come up with comparisons... probably why you didnt eloborate it and just say "it doesnt make sense"... dunno why man. I mean you even indirectly admit that there are "some OP stuff". Just go ahead and name them all and dont jsut stick to quickly showing their pics. Thats pretty gay. And ofc early level gear doesnt matter because it doesnt matter which side is easier to grind and gives you better chance to fight late-gear.
The message from this video was uterlly waste of time. Its a mix "well some guns are better there but I don't dare to elaborate there because reasons", one event where we put all factions together is suddenly a fact and we dont got in detail there and because the Toz B is worse than the MP28, means that comparing levels is stupid (well, we kinda compare last levels with each other...). And the last discord picture and your little comments about your opposition really shows your neutrality and level of unbias.
Why u promote bias?
Based.
Promote bias? I am saying it doesn't exist, and using stats to prove it.
@@MajorMcDonalds reee BoM soviets with ppsh reeee
Not very convincing honestly. You feel a way, and feel people shouldnât feel another way. Learned nothing.
In short, no. People would always think otherwise. But gaijin does hate Americano things.
In what way does Gaijin hate American things?
Red Army lacks a competition to early MG42, and OP German tanks.
Yes, but also no
It doesn't.
@@MajorMcDonalds I meant in the sense that if they have better players then yea, but if they donât then lol. So to recap no they donât have bias, just some faction has player bias
@@MajorMcDonalds also thank you for quoting my video, even though you totally destroyed my argument (which I do agree in some ways with you that there is no Soviet bias especially at the late game)
@@NapoleonTotal Your video was accurate in many ways, like you saying that those levels you spoke about are simply better than their Axis counterparts. You are 100% right. But the thing is, saying that the whole campaign suffers from Soviet bias as a result of this is the wrong conclusion to draw, as saying so excludes a lot of things
@@MajorMcDonalds also the video was done before the f2 release and the mkb so yeah after those two it much more fair
tbf there was Soviet bias in real life as well
Russian bias until you play Moscow alliedđ
*mostly always defeat
Russian bias in war thunder? Sort of.
In enlisted? Nah bro.
There's no Soviet bias, you simply can't play Soviet style with different factions and equipment.
It is made up by you, this believe never existed in enlisted. Another CZcamsr that came up with non existent drama.
Literally not made up by me at all lmfao. Made up by the community on literally any Gaijin game, and I prove in this video it doesn't exist.
Dude, the T-34/85 in battle or Berlin can one shot the Panzer 4⊠while bounding Panzer 4 shells indefinitely.
The Fedorov Avtomat is a lazer rifle. And in Moscow, the KV-1 canât be killed by Panzer 3 N from the back
Coming from a guy that promotes this game on behalf of dark flow says no russian bias is just plain false
I do not get paid by Gaijin/Darkflow. There is no incentive for me to say there is no bias. In fact, more "negative" videos always seem to do better for me and other CCs, but this title is not negative. There is literally not bias in this game... It's 99% of the time a player/team diff.