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I'm a tile installer for 35 years and just want to say that the lippage system is good if you know what you are doing. Also the the makita is good for small jobs. In fact all of the things you showed are good if used correctly at the right job. You have to use your HEAD :P
Luciano, I feel you missed the point of the video. I believe his point throughout the video was...there are better choices than these particular products. He explained why they’re a dumb choice, then showed what the alternative product which he feels is a better choice.
Incorrect might be a better work than dumb....
I agree with you Luciano specifically about those levelers. They are good for certian situations when the wedges just cant quite cut it. They are also good in tile replacement situations. I would not want to have to do a whole floor or shower wall with them though. I still respect Landberg's option, however. :)
If your battery its gone. Use a bigger one or just change for a full charge one , I think it's just he's opinion.
Anytime I hear some one throwing around how long they’ve been in business to make a point raises a red flag. idc how long you’ve been in biz for normally let your work do the talking. Plus if you really think that Makita is good for small jobs you’m should use YOUR HEAD cause you’re wasting time. And time is money.
Welll..you have to know when to use the T-levelling system. Never on floors. If walls are flat , the many varities of lash/screw systems you show are overkill when all you need is a cross-spacer. If you should get a small lip, or see a tile 'sucked in' a little too far, those T-bar spacers are perfect for levelling it out. Not useless at all ^^
I use the Makita saw for grout removal and repairs it is been great for the small repairs as long as you understand what the tool can do, it wasn't meant to replace a wet saw
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I use a contour gauge to install floors and sometimes for bathrooms and it works perfectly good
Them T levelling things have changed my life. There are soooo much quicker than the other Systems.
They have made me a lot of money....without having to buy more clips as you just reuse them.
The trick is to take them out in time. But that’s the same for all levelling systems.
I tile like 2 bathrooms a week. Been tiling for 15years.
But for big floors with big tiles 800mm plus. I would use the other Systems.
Good to know. Never used them but they look handy. So you pull them out before the thinset sets up, instead of the next day?
@@markoshun I normally use slow set “England”.
Mark I’ve left them in for two days and still got them out. If the adhesive dries hard just twist the black part “nut” so it gives you space to wiggle the thing around. As it’s only got a small T shape it doesn’t take long. Or I use a knife to dig some adhesive out around the grout join. It keep wiggling. It will come out. And if all els fails. Just turn it until it snaps. And try and bend the access inside the joint. They cost nothing. I get them on eBay. Don’t use the orange ones. I haven’t used to yellow yet but the blue and red ones work well! They look the same but some have more thread on and just work better.
@@Cookie.x.monsterr Cool, I usually clean up lines, etc. next day anyway, before sets up completely. I think I’ll order some for my next job. Thanks.
@@markoshun yes it’s the first thing I do the next morning!
On walls I only have to leave them in for about two hours and then if I run out I just take the first ones out. Good luck! You will love them. !! Don’t worry about keeping them perfectly clean. Also the other systems Can widen the joints These are a dream to work with.
One more while I’m here. I now use a hot glue gun most days. Like I glue my level to the wall. I also glue bits of tile above windows to help rest the top window tile on. So no more screwing. When the tile is dry I just pull of bits off or my level off the wall.
One more. Amazon sell brush heads that fit into a drill. I got them to clean my buckets. That’s changed my life aswell lol. So much faster.
Happy tiling !!
@@Cookie.x.monsterr Glue gun and brush great tips. So tired of cleaning buckets... 😆 Thanks much
I don't mind to use that Makita for small around the corners cuts? Instead of getting up, going to that table top saw, come back, get on your knees again etc?
Yes, as a touch-up saw makes sense. 4’ of that kind of work might last the day, and you can use a second battery.
The video was nicely done. Described the shortcomings of the products but more importantly suggested how else to replace/use other products that work better.
That leveling system came in super handy when i was installing tile against hardwood. Hardwood had slits underneath so i was able to wedge those levelers and ended up with perfectly smooth tile-hardwood transition
Good video, but one objection. The plastic doohicky for getting a templet can be useful when doing commercial jobs where the door jambs are sometimes metal and can't be undercut. So this tool could be advantageous in getting a good clean cut in those circumstances. Also I have done commercial work where the urinals were already installed and I had to use a templet to make cuts. It could be useful there. Finally, I was thinking recently of a tile job I did about 3 or 4 years ago. The cabinets were not typical. They had legs with funny angles and this little tool would have saved me a lot of time.
Not a tool you will need often, but when you do, it can be helpful. So keep it on the roster (in the tool box)!
Those are great points, sounds like it could be useful for commercial.
My wife ordered me one of those plastic contour guage things a few years ago. Only used it once to copy the radius of a tub. It worked for what it is but all in all its a pretty useless tool that just lives in my van. 🤷🏻♂️
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Best tile tool Tuesday yet! Lined it. Keep it practical!
Great video sir. I really appreciate you putting better alternatives that way beginners like myself know what we should be using instead. Honestly I probably would have bought the makita because it seems like a great idea.
Thankfully the only one I had was the grout removal tool and I realized the 1st time I used it that it was almost useless. Its in my garage somewhere collecting dust. Fun video.
I use the 1st leveling system pieces Only when I over tighten and break a riamondi clip.instead of having to lift the tile and add another clip.good call.but helpful often.definitely not the dumbest.
Did you watch the video or pause 10 seconds in? He said they are better as a recovery system..
Yes, good for a recovery tool for sure, we use them for this all the time but not for a full leveling system as a full.
A contour gauge can be useful for cutting curves in the tiles on the outside edge of a standard tub. If the backer board is not up, you can just trace the curve of the tub on a piece of paper or cardboard, but the lip of the tub might interfere with that. The contour gauge will always work.
Awesome. Keep it simple. Love it. 👊
Thanks for the update I really appreciate the information
I find the "recovery" clips perfect for recovery and for walls. Less strain on the clips on the walls.
I can see the usefulness of that little saw, just gotta know it's limits. Maybe u can get a bigger amp-hour battery to make it last longer.
Great video all the same
Makita is all over the place. Some of their tools are amazing and others are garbage. There are levels of Makita. They make tools for professionals, but also make garbage tools with plastic gears that are only meant to be used in a hobby setting.
Go Berg!
I have 3 out of the 5 and they have thier uses although be it a small opportunity they come in handy, lol.
Me too!
Thanks buddy, great video!!!
Fantastic thanks mate u are great
Straight to the point... Nice video Men.
Absolutely enjoy 1200mm/1200mm hard porcelain tile and table saw, specially if you working alone.
That leveling system is badass for walls. Use it on every shower for minor adjustments, it's amazing. Game changer. I hate using level clips, but I definitely use those. Never ever use them on floors though, not a good idea.
So will the Makita tile cutter cat glass in general please?
I use the lippage system almost exclusively (a variant of, with a much faster mechanism); it saves time for smaller jobs, reduces both waste and cost, and can take less time with a faster tightening mechanism since I don’t have to shuffle boxes filled with large spacers, wedges, and a specialized tool for tightening them. Also, makes for a much cleaner install as you can lay the tile, push it flush with the installed tiles, clean any extruded thinset, then space and clamp, saving time cleaning as well
Interesting all I use now is the metal leveling clip system. I like them and I use them periodically as needed.
Any chance you can test sentinel tile cutter?
I cant seem to find who makes it or any information anywhere...
Floor and decor has them and they seem of higher quality. Built well, similar to masterpiuma...
But the lack of any information online scares ua. Im willing to purchase several sizes so i cam keep on sites. They arent priced high. But in tile tool business this is usually a nono... But ive seen them in person and they seem good.
Thank you so much for mentioning ergonomic injuries! Those can be disabling. The Makita saw looks like it would be a good grout removal tool.
Best tool is exactly the one he used. Oscillating tool with a grout blade. By a mile.
#1 this things are awesome for a recovery. Always have couple of them to pull up a tile just a bit. But yeah, as a full leveling system, they suck. As for Makita thing, would it be fine if a big battery is installed?
Would be fine with a big battery, but the cost would be $300 plus.
@@LandbergTileTV oh, and it's also a 12v
I tiled my whole bathroom myself using those levelling things, it was all that was a available at the store, they did the job but I imagine the wedges would work better
Wedges are way better in my opinion
Yo friend you need to try that Makita tile cutter with a bigger battery and a mesh Blade
Loved this 🤣🤣🤣 that Makita though 🥲
Oh god ! You saved me money. Thank you dude.
The Makita saw has its place.
I have the M12 version and I use it all the time when I just need a little cut to to trim something quick.
Or if you need to replace a tile I will plunge cut into it so it breaks out easier...its just small and compact and hooks up to my small ridgid vac.
The m12 is a good little tool, lots of blade options and cuts metal fast. The Makita battery doesn't last long when a grinder with diamond blade is a fraction of the cost.
I get it. I thought about the Makita but I do more non tile stuff then tile stuff so I went for the M12/Vacuum option then the Makita wet saw.
They're all under powered really you just need to go a bit slower. Theyd be better as 18V tools. M12 at least has some higher capacity batteries unlike the makita 12V line. I have full size angle grinders and tuck point adapters for dust collection but they're over kill for me personally so...yeah haha. In theory the tools are good. In practice, we'll thats debatable on what you do.
Thanks for your review! . you got my LIKE and Subscribe.
Good advice using the leveling system as a recovery tool if you break a clip! Always a pain.
Those rescue clips are very handy when you need an extra one in the joint or when you can't slide a tile under a door architrave with a normal clip in place. As long as you remove them before the thinset goes off.
I use the spinners in conjunction with the ruby wedge for when they snap or when adding on the following day instead of using a multi tool to cut in tab just use the spinners I always have those near by. the contour gauge is awesome for weird crown molding on back splashes takes all the guess wrk out for me.
I will defend the contour gauge. I had to tile a floor with an iron porcelain glaze tub that was already installed and it had a contoured face, can't undercut the tub and can't just guess. I used the gauge and it came out flawless.
I love those levelers in tight spots. Not that slow either.
None of these tools are dumb, they all have their uses. I have the Makita, it's not meant for continuous use but handy for plunge cutting shaver sockets etc, when you don't want to rig up your wet cut.
P.s. that hand held tile cutter isn't made to be all day. It's for slicing something out, freehanding a miter or some other cut detail. 4 cuts off a 12v battery is actually pretty decent I think.
Well, I thought this was a good video. Thank you for the information.
The contour gauge is a must have tool for me. Not everything can be undercut.
Should’ve learned how to scribe better.
@@BlackMountainCycles I’d like to see how you scribe up against jagged rock and how long it takes you. With the contour gage I can cut tiles so accurate they look like there undercut
@@taylorlewis7972 I could scribe a 12x12 tile before you could even line your contour gage up on the piece of tile. I’d kick you off my job site if I saw you wasting MY time with that nonsense. You must be a rat...
@@BlackMountainCycles and Taylor... I disagree and agree.. in a new home built house i dont need it.. but because in from the Netherlands... Some houses are hundreds of years old... Nothing square etc... For tiles and wood floors... Magic. Just bought a 450 year old farm in France... Again a life saver. But! I had the exact same one he has.... Not Ideal.. there are way better for sale...
@@BlackMountainCycles have to agree here. It's neat as hell, but who needs it?
Rubi grout removal, try it, also its a cheap wet tile saw on home depot, raymondi leveling system, etc etc
Absolutely brilliant, dont know how you find the time. 🇨🇮Belfast
I hope your joking
Thxs
I just removed my thinset this past weekend
I went with an air hammer with chisel, they're more affordable than an SDS Hammer
I was able to remove all the thinset for the whole house in a weekend
Very nice!
A better way to remove mortar in a large area is a 7" diamond cup wheel along with a dust collection system. The SDS hammer is great for demoing the tile. The 4" and 4 1/2" cup wheels are also good for small areas.
Tiler for 30 years and I use the clips they don’t do the job for you they just make sure it stay where you left it, also if you make a twist the metal end before tightening it won’t get jammed in the muck and is an easy twist and out to be used again , they’re great.
Those tools are only as bad as the person who uses them.
Your not wrong, but some tools are just wiffs. Good in theory, poor in execution.
then give it to me
Some of the tools are fine with the right person using them. You might like this guy's channel but watch closer. This guy isn't as good as he appears. Watch his videos closer. He is kinda a con artist. Pay attention and you will catch what I am saying.
Hahaha, i bought that Makita something after seeing your review from years back, but never bought a battery and a charger, its sitting in my shed since months. So after seeing this video, i know its time to sell it, luckily its never been used :D
lol that's funny, thanks for the story!
What you think about ryobi wet tile cutter ??
If it's not battery operated it better.
I have one that collects dust.
That little grout saw is nice for cleaning out mortar on occasions
I own the Makita. It is great for renovation of existing tile and eliminates all of the dust.
True, but still way over priced at $200
To be fair to Makita, they have bigger batteries... and anyone who uses cordless will have a charger with batteries up the wazoo. Also, that saw was made to make several cuts like you just did and it looks like it did well with no dust. But if you want to go full production and cut more, yeah, use a corded saw. And BTW, Makita makes an 18v of the same thing that has a hose attachment also along with the bottle. Lots more power and more efficient batteries. Aldo look into the Makita plunge saw for masonry and tuck pointing mortar. That one looks promising.
Those carbide tipped grout scrapers are the absolute worst things for people that aren't experienced or first time diyers I have seen people absolutely chip the hell out of their tile edges trying to use them to scrape thin set out of grout joints
You are the number one among those five mate.
Just glad I have some of the good tools. Whew! Thanks for the ego boost! 😂
I still think that Makita tile saw looks nice. I don't have any Makita tools just because it wasn't the battery platform I went with, but I respect the company. I wouldn't use it as my main tile saw so even though it burns through water a little fast I can live with it. And I'd have a 4ah or 6ah battery at the very least on it. And if Makita was my platform I'd have multiple batteries. It looks like it makes really nice cuts. But I have my grinder and my dremel saw with a continuous blade for small cuts and 2 wet saws, cutting dry seems to make it easy to break the porcelain.
I disagree with number 4 being dumb cutting 50lm against uneven cladding stone that couldn't be undercut to allow expansion saved so much time. Also not all door jams can be undercut metal fire doors need to be intact. (At least according to an inspector i had a run in with)
Agreed with everything except that Makita. Try cutting out a toilet hole inside an occupied high rise apartment with just a regular grinder, you'll set off smoke alarms
good point!
The Makita wet saw can be useful in some cases. Not useful to you and that is fine. Great review and great tips. Apparently, the 4A battery makes the tool work better according to another reviewer. Short but highly informational review! Thank you! Subscribed.
Still a 4 mAh would only make 8 cuts.
I bought the first version of the Makita cordless wet saw back in 80's I think. Still have it but don't use it.
I still have mine as well and don't use it. Back then we didn't have many options.
you need a better battery on the makita those little batterys are only good for torches or phone charger. bigger batteries not only last longer they make the tool have more power
Disagree with the levelling clips. They're great. Never had one break. Not keen on the wedge system.
He wasn’t referring to all clips he was saying the ones that he showed at first aren’t good but to use the other ones
@@zachperry2216 I know. And I'm saying I disagree about those specific clips because I think they're great. Opinion only.
Of course in my opinion the tile leveling clips are he blames are actually best. First they reusable saving money approx €50 for standard size bathroom. Second allows to add extra ones if needed without removing tile. Third the spindle in them is 1mm thick that allows to make smaller joints as the wedge ones thinnest I find are 2,5mm. Fourth force of pulling on them is over 50kg when wedge ones won't exceed 30kg. Tested. Actually the red ones I got where the spindle will snap not bend resisted 113kg and the plastic part broke off not the metal part. But found out yellow ones actually bending. And they less precised. They all made in China. So far I don't know manufacturer those with leveling eye are creepy to. Grout remover is actually for cleaning adhesive before filling the joints. Not for removing grout. And for that purpose is best of course if you get good quality one. Will never use any power tool for that purpose as they can damage edge of the tile. The shape finder is actually for hard to define curves. Not for frame shape. I don't know who might undercut for frame. As weight of the does may change geometry of the frame and make them catching. This is damaging of customer property. And carpenters job. The scraper for adhesive I agree YES it's dangerous. And for sure will damage the power tool. Makita cutter for its purpose put shame on Makita totally agree.
I understand that there is big difference between tilling in US and EU different requirements they even vary around Europe. As also different supply and quality of tiling products. The differences are forced by many reasons. Like weather conditions, labour costs, material supply and many more.
Gotta agree with you there Nick, I use these tile levellers exclusively, they are cheap, re-usable and I've not broken one yet, been using them a couple years now.
Raimondi clip system is the best to use I've found
Lol i use the levelling system he showed and i did 90sqm if tiling in a day.
You guys do 5sqm of tiling per day and think you know it all.
I appreciate the video im not toxic but i think those are the best if you know how to use them and take them out at the right time
Grout removal tool works great if you use the sawsaw version.
It really doesn’t work great! It works....eventually, but it’s not even close to great. The carbide tipped tool he showed or a multi-tool equipped with a carbide blade is faster, more efficient and when used properly will do less damage to the tile.
Did you try 4ah battery for makita try instructions or go in CZcams see it
That would make it a USD $250.00 tool, so many better options!
I have all 5 dumbest tile tools don't use all for tiles though. My only problem is with that stupid tile leveling style tool but OK for smaller tiles with small gaps. For cordless no one depends on one battery, need multiple batteries for continuous work.
So easy to diss the Makita tile saw when you clearly don’t use it right. Those wobbly cuts mean the blade is rubbing coming back up through the tile and tripling the current usage. Use a fence to get a straight line or scribe one. Also, buy body only and use a bigger battery if you need it. It’s only really meant for niggly bits, less hassle than a table saw.
#1 tile tool is this guy
haaha now that's funny
One of the "DUMBEST" Tile tools, is that stupid Grout-Sealing bottle you see at the Do It Centers....LMFAO!! (xD) (:D)
Agree to disagree. Those tile locks are the best system hands down. Once you learn how to properly use them. And when to use them. 1. They are 100% reusable. Which is why they are better then all the rest. I am just so over buying more and more pieces to go with the damn wedges. Screw that. The pieces you have to constantly buy isn't getting cheaper. 2. Nobody wants large grout lines anymore. So the size of the under part is large enough. I have never not had one slip or not touch both tiles. 3. I have never had any tiles out of level. 4. Use them for walls. Not floors. If you use them for floors give it a spin just before you tighten and remove the following day with ease. You leave them over the weekend and you will wish you hadn't. But again. These are 100% reusable.
Those levellers actually work really well and 1000's of reviews say the opposite to what you are claiming.
Well...I've used them all and there are much better options.
They suck. You are better off using Spin Doctors or Ridgid, IMO. I think he was spot on in his review on all of his ideas. I have come to the exact same conclusions over time.
Looks like you are not working on commercial jobs are you going to cut metal door frame to slide the tile under ?
Makita saw is not the strongest one but you can change a stronger battery and 2nd is good for commercial jobs ,on commercial jobs this days is very very strict with the dust .
I wasn’t even trying to watch this video. Accidentally clicked it. It’s just funny that there was a contouring tool ad before the video.
I agree
You forgot the dumbest tool of all.... a shoddy tiler!
Those spinny levellers work pretty well for wall tiles tho tbh.
totally agree
I m tile Mason and very useful tools 🛠️ for us
I don't think the Makita is for full cuts. I get on jobs where the wet saw has to be set up outside, sometimes several floors away, and dust control is a major issue so a grinder is out. These jobs, 95 % of full cuts are with a tile cutter (snapper) and you go to the saw for notches or outside to grind. I can see the Makita being handy for small notches and fine tuning and save steps and time. Also, if it's 18v, bigger batteries are available.
I completely agree with you
i think the t-clips are great let me ask you how much do u spend on clips for the wedges every job?
I use the t levelers also and they are actually faster. Yes sometimes the do get stuck but I've found a technique that gets them out easily. They're cheap also saving tons of money.
I use those "T-Clips" only when needed. Start with a nice level substrate and you can "tap level" most tiles.
(the free leveling system, lol.)
If you spin the "T" around, to remove excess thinset, then clamp down.
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Just wanna point out the 12v 2ah makita battery is pretty much garbage on everything except the DF331D drill (and even then any kinda hot dinner is gonna wear it out) you can however get much bigger batteries so it's not really a fault of the tool it's just the battery sucks. Although yes a table saw is generally a much better investment in any professional setting.
Bigger battery on Makita and it’s perfect
You would not use the Makita saw for straight cut... On an L-shape you would cut down one line and then snap it on a manual cutter.
I’m a tile guy and you are correct
The recovery clips are useless in North America and Europe. There are to be used with a dry mud bed installation process. A must have tool in Asia
You should it put the smallest table saw from harbofraight
their small tabletop tile saw?
@@LandbergTileTV nice video
Spin doctor Is awesome
Amen. My favorite. Ridgid is almost identical, as well.
well you can definitely donate that makita saw to me if its not something u have a use for
Thanks for pointing these out and also demonstrating their ineffectiveness.
Well that tile saw probably will work better with a bigger battery those little one sucks anyway im sure a better blade will help and yeah a table saw will win everytime . But wouldn't call it dumb just need some upgrades
I own all 5
Bro! 🤣
The wet skill saw has a second life as a cement wallboard saw, but the battery life on that one is a deal breaker.
Change the battery and they make a 4 mah battery that’s twice the size.
Really? 4 mAh so now you get 8 cuts? Still a no.
You wouldn't do a full job with that makita its more for quick cuts and such not for a large install
True, but every installer has a grinder and using a grinder is smarter than spending $200 on the Makita
I would also get a tool like that to finish off a plunge cut where the grinder will bounce and the tile has vulnerable spots and are prone to cracks and Knicks I was actually on a cut yesterday and the grinder kept bouncing so a cutoff tool is practical in certain applications.
I see potential in that Makita, you could always use a bigger battery.
For almost $200 for the kit, a grinder and diamond blade is a fraction of the cost and the small 3" diamond blades would have to be replaced often.
@@LandbergTileTV damn. Didn’t know it was that price.
you can prob get tool only for less if you already use makita battery system. i can see lots of uses for that saw where you get a cleaner cut than a grinder.
@@bseant420 that’s what I was thinking. For instance, when you have a 4’x 4’ and wanna cut it to fit shower floor, like you said finer cut and no dust.
A lot of commercial jobs you can't undercut.
Your review of the makita is a little off as the battery is a 2ah, most tradesmen would use 4 or 5ah lxt batteries. This would give you plenty longer also most tradesmen have more than one battery on the go
The 2amp is the battery that comes with the kit for $200.00. Adding an additional 4amp battery would bring you to $250.00. Grinder with a wet sponge works just as good.
@@LandbergTileTV don't they have a corded version...? Would you recommend it?