2021 Triumph Tiger 850 Sport | In Depth Review
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- 2021 Triumph Tiger 850 Sport | In Depth Review: Back in early Spring I borrowed the new Tiger 850 Sport from Triumph to get to know it over a couple of weeks - here's my findings....
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your 850 sport videos are amongst a handful few all over youtube that have helped me make a buying decision on this motorcycle. thank you, sir.
My pleasure Farhan!
Great video! Your review format is far and away the best out there!
Thank you very much!
Loved this. Thanks for ride and the info. I fell in love with tigers when they first came out and wished I had one then, but seeing the development and the styles there are now, I really like where the tigers are going.
Another great vlog TMF. Keep them coming.
Cheers Julian, will do!
Hi Andy. Great real world review as ever. I am a big fan of your friendly and polite style. Due to Australian lockdown, I can't ride with mates, but you are the next best thing. Thank you sir !
Sorry to here you guys are still battling with lockdowns - hope you get some normality soon….
Nice vid. I really like these in depth reviews. Very useful & their getting more & more polished too.
Thank you Rage Rider!
Great review. I got one in June and agree with all your comments. Always had bigger bikes in the past and must say this is a delight to ride with ample enough power. I did test ride both the 850 & 900 and I thought the 850 was a lot smoother power delivery, especially lower down. I believe it’s only 9bhp less than the 900 anyway, however it seems a nicer tune. I did go for a few extras like you mentioned, heated grips/guards and yes, a centre stand :-)
Why the channel is so popular. Excellent review TMF.
Happy travels
Thanks for sharing TMF, I really love this bike. Great review 😃👌
Thanks for watching Erwin!
Thanks for the review Andy. Seems a decent bike if you like to go off road now and again. I always enjoy your videos. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the kind words as ever James - nice to know you’re watching!
The only Tiger 850 review that shows exactly what's under the seat.
Thanks for the review. Just sold my GS1200 and bought this bike and I agree with everything you've said. Nice light fun bike
Mr Flyer
Great review of the Tiger 850! I think is great that Triumph created the perfect entry level ADV motorcycle at a good price. Thanks for the review!
🙌👏👌✌🖖🤙👍👋🙂
Great review , what would we do without you, god bless you guv!
Thanks for the very informative review….
Another great review.
Great bike. Owned a Triumph Tiger for two years. Only thing it lacked for me was the ‘ grin ‘ factor. 👍
Excellent review as always. A paddock standard for chain maintenance probably the way to go. Not useful when on the road but handy at home.
Nicely summed up TMF, I really like it apart from the TFT, at night looks like a blooming Christmas tree.
Another good summing up video TMF
Mate! With regards to that single light or both lights option: the single light is great for manoeuvring your bike around a garage or other dark place at night without being too blinding. A useful creature feature!
Fair comments all round I would say.
I’ve got the big brother in the green, and since running it in by March this year (I am abroad a lot!!) I have since ridden it to Munich in torrential rain, back from Munich (in one day) to attend the ABR festival and then back down to Munich (again with too much rain 🤔) it is as comfortable as you could ever want. I have also only ridden it in road (well and rain) mode, until coming back on the 1 day run, where as I was adjusting from KM to miles I looked at the mode and thought “Oh I should try sport” and believe me, you could lose your license very easy. My only gripe is that I brought the RallyPro because at some stage I will be looking to do some light off road touring and I love the spoked wheels etc, but the tyres are like you get on a sports bike, why oh why don’t they give you the Annakee tyres on the off-road focused bike 🤔
Sorry two gripes, the oil site class is smack behind the bulk of the brake lever and wearing glasses too is a nightmare
Overall I love it to bits, however I could have had the 850 and a CRF300 at once, could I have sold that idea to the missus (probably not)
Stay safe, enjoy the sun, looks like I will riding home again in September, I might try and take a few days and explore a bit 😂
Ian
Back on Two Wheels
Thanks! Thinking of getting one of these. You do a very good review. 👍
Very kind of you to say so - thank you Jeffrey....
Another good vlog, keep them coming, one a day would be good 🥸
Another great review. I looked at the 900gt pro, but eventually ran out of patience for delivery (9 months+), so kept my 800 Xrx. Perhaps should of looked at the 850 sport.
Great review. Got mine on order, due October. Can't wait! It's true about availability. Order now and it will be next year before you get one.
Why the huge delay?
@@TheMissendenFlyer Covid and/or Brexit I guess.
I really like the looks of this bike. If I were to go the adventure bike route ,I think it would be this.
Nice review seems a good bike and nice and simple 😊
As a former xrx owner. This is definitely a bike I'm interested in.
Hi and thanks for your fine review. I agree with you on ”riding modes”. Less is more, there are too many options on some bikes. Heated grips should have been standard, especially on northern markets such as here in Sweden. Currently I’m riding my Thruxton RS with a big smile but this Tiger is an option due to riding position… and my age 63 😂
However looking forward to your next test.
Cheers ✌🏻
Had a testride today. What a great machine.
Told you it was good!
I totally agree with you on the lights and switch gear 🤷♂️
Glad it’s not just me!
i AM SO DIVIDED NOW! I was looking at a speed triple rs but now this interests me being 45 years old :)
The guitar riffs you've added are very nice. Cool sounding.
Glad you like them - thanks!
Great review
Happy to be the 1k like 👍
Thanks Graham!
Great review, currently looking at adventure bikes!! I’ll check out your other ones for comparisons.
Great channel but not sure about the new guitar rifts - bit of a ‘Deliverence dual banjo sound’ 😳. Appreciate its a dual bike ha!!
Lastly, what gloves are you wearing - look the business!!
Liking the Tiger, liking the funky guitar work too !
Cheers Michael!
Thanks for the informative review. I'm a huge modern classic fan and can only have one bike in the garage at the moment. My back has been giving me fits on my Moto Guzzi v9. I love her but three seats and a set of high quality shocks later I'm going to have to change bikes. I guess I'll be giving this a try.
I think you’ll love it!
Excellent review. Really pleased with bike just wish it had sport mode....
Totally agree that the omission of a centre stand is a negative point, however I fitted paddock stand bobbins to my 850 and combined with a front wheel chock provides a stable position for chain maintenance.
Good point…..
Great review, have just picked mine up after 4 years on a KTM 1090 found it a little heavy and slightly too tall as well. The Tiger suits me better.
Had the Tiger 1050 2010 model. Oh were the lights awful. If someone had a smoke at night it would out do the high beam. Breaks were awful as well. Rode the updated 2019 model. What a difference. The Tiger 850 is a gem.
I couldn’t help but notice how good the mirrors are - crystal clear and no elbows. These Triumph midrange bikes really are excellent for the money. Not a fan of the TFT design but wouldn’t be a deal breaker. A lack of wind buffeting sounds lovely as a midrange BMW owner on an endless quest for a quiet screen!
F800GT by any chance?
@@rogerkay8603 no, F750GS, but I’ve an F800GT and just like the 750, the only screen that works is the short OEM screen.
@@MH-xd2nd I tried a few the only that works for me (5' 7") is the Ztechnik V Stream Sport one.
Just part ex my F750gs because it was far to heavy may well look at one of these, test ride being booked.
Thanks Andy
Thanks for another great review. Some items your older (read “arthritic”) viewers maybe interested in are quick shifter, cruise control, and standard heated grips. Thanks again.
Excellent review tmf thanks from danny
Great review, I have had one since April, you really nailed this review as I agree with all your observations, I did get the centre stand and gear assist added to it and do feel it should have cruise control as an option, but as my wife said to me when I was pondering this, "you don't really need it" (though she has just updated from the 500 rebel to the 1100 rebel which has does have cruise control and she really loves that feature on it). One point which in April in the UK you would not be aware of is the heat that pumps out straight onto your legs from the twin fans, I live now over in the Algarve which is a great place to own a bike as its dry most of the year, but when the temperature hits the mid 30's and over it does get a bit uncomfortable on the leg. But I love the bike. your reviews were recommended by a friend as the best on the web, keep up the good work
Cheers Andy - glad we concur!
Loved the review. Hope this is my second bike. Talking about test rides, I had 6 naked bikes I wanted to look at, so off to the nearest city...about an hour away and not only was I not aloud to take a test ride but only a cb650r available for viewing. One good thing is I hadn't even noticed the cb500x while looking on line but it caught my eye as soon as I walked into dealer. I m down to Tiger 660 or cb500x.
Both great bikes - I'd have the Triumph though....
Hey TMF! Really tempted by one of these. I love my ATAS but it is a big and heavy old beast. This 850 Sport version just makes so much sense! Good value. Enough electronics to help you. And looks and rides really well, like a Triumph should. What’s not to love?
Seems a nice bike, great value.
For me haven't seen one ADV bike I like the looks of.
Oh dear!
Wow. So in depth. I would say I don’t see many of the things that you covered on other videos
I like to be different!
Bought the 900 GT Pro few weeks ago, very nice bike. Loads of options , and the display is amazing. Took it over the sport because i would be afraid that i would always be thinking.. should I have bought the 900 instead. The sport would be a option if you would consider a yamaha tenere 700.
Triumph Tiger very nice British motorbike.
Looking forward an extensive review of the new Ducati Monster aswell.
Great review Andy... in fact, I bought my 790 Duke after watching your vid without even sitting on one! Think I may well be going for a Triumph next tho👍
So you regret having bought it without trying it first? Not a huge surprise to be honest. Ride safe.
🤣 No regrets here.... still enjoying it! 👍
I completely agree with what you said about the lights, 2 lights should be on if there's 2 lights, 1 just looks stupid to me, and the light switch is definitely the wrong way round for me as well, green light on the dash is almost universal for dipped beam
That’s what I would have thought…
If you are considering Touring capability, should you not consider the tank size and range? Albeit there are plenty of fuel stops in the UK countryside but if covering long miles, you would like to minimise those :) Anyway, love your style of reviews, and glad you mentioned the lack of centre stand - need one for chain lubing at least and then for oil level checking or personal home R&M - oil changes and the like. Thanks, Graeme NZ
Another interesting review. Thank you.
I now get the logic on the lights. An assumption is made you will wish to have a light showing whenever you are riding. In daylight you can not see if any of your lights are on, so you have a green “on” light to show your just DRL is on. If no lights then you also have dipped headlights. Either way you have lights on. When it is dark and you need headlights you can do without another light shining in your face (as it spoils night vision) it is obvious your headlight is on or off. The opposite is to have a green “dipped lights” on at night. That I think is “stating the bleedin’ obvious” and therefore not required.
I understand the logic - it’s just that it’s not logical!
It's a 50/50 choice, you will soon figure it out. .
This is not unique to Triumph. My BMW F850GS is the same. Green light on means the the DRL is on. I ride a lot in darkness and I’m glad there is not a green light on at night.
Andy, generally good review, the only thing that stuck out as missing was the fuel capacity and an idea of range achievable with normal riding.
I have the Tiger 900 GT pro with the same tank. 20 litres and about 230 miles range.
My 900GT is averaging around 235 -240 from the 20ltr tank, when it's showing empty I could only get 18.5ltr in so just over 1ltr still left
Nice review, I find myself having to find a new bike, having really enjoyed a street twin for the last couple of years. I am very tempted to pick another classic triumph. Was wondering about upgrading to a one of these. Or would you always be thinking GS.
I know you have a soft spot for triumph but you ride a GS. The big GS is probably out of my budget unless it’s been well used . Also not sure I want the extra weight.
Great review Andy - it’s certainly one to consider rather than the significantly more expensive 900s. I take your point about wondering if you should get the more advanced model if you do opt for the 850 but that argument belies the whole purpose of this, I.e., it is less expensive and for the majority, needs must! This whole deal about a centre stand is easily fixed though; buy a paddock stand that can be shared with other bikes in the garage or use one of the simple roller plates for raising the back wheel, put the side stand down and rotate the rear wheel when lubing the chain. Anyway a lovely bike and great job as always! Yours aye, Alan
Cheers Alan, always good to hear from you....!
I think the light on in front makes sense as it tells you drl’s are on so in the evening gloom the light will prompt you to switch over to full lights. Also it would get your attention in the dark for the same reason.
I disagree of course but fair enough if you like it that way around!
You need to view it as switch up = DRLs on, as indicated by the DRL green icon on the dash. Switch down = dipped lights on. It's the same on my previous and current ST RS.
Same on my Speed Twin too - don’t like it I’m afraid!!! It is a small point though to be fair…
@@TheMissendenFlyer The march of progress I guess, seems pointless though, as everyone expects DRLs to be on all the time, but hey ho.
After putting nearly 25,000 kms (i'm in Australia) on my Tiger 800XRT, my dealer offered a great exchange against the 850 Sport. I have covered 13,000kms in the last 6 months and absolutely love the 850. I agree pretty much with all Mr Flyer's comments. I'm not a fan of the TFT graphics, but I do much prefer the 850 paint scheme over the 900's. The only extra I added was the heated grips after being surprised how often I used them on the XRT. I had found I only ever used sport and rain mode on the XRT, I never bothered with the cruise control and didn't like the Heed speed shifter the original owner had fitted, so the less expensive 850 Sport was a no brainer compared to the 900 for me. As there isn't a centre stand, I invested in a Tutoro chain lube system and highly recommend it. Easy to fit, and only very slight oil on back wheel. I already had a cheap paddock stand for other maintenance. The Michelin Anakee tyres have been excellent and will be replacing with same soon.
Thanks for the real world feedback Steve!
how high is your fuel consumption?
Love Triumph. Will try to get a test ride on this bike. I’ve had three triumphs which Have been completely trouble free. More than I can say for the eight BMW‘s I have owned.
I love the simplicity of it and recon it would be my choice of the Tiger family. Bit like what BMW did with the numbering which is a bit deceiving.
Yes a very strange move by the marketing department!
Many thanks Mr Flyer. Firstly I totally agree about the lights/switches it's the same as my Street Triple R - bloody annoying - come on Triumph sort it out! Secondly the chain lubrication - most bikes don't have centre stands nowadays and couldn't even if you wanted one, so we all need a pit stand I guess. Thirdly it seems that Triumph have needlessly downgraded a few features on the 850 just to make sure it's big brother (900) stays the premier version. Forthly there's no oil in that bike!!! - LOL sorry just couldn't resist. I look forwards to joining you on your next excellent video. :>)
Cheers Peter! Stay tuned - another video on Thursday….
I love mine :)
This is a very nice bike, and would, probably, be my choice if I was buying a new Tiger.
You did, however, highlight a problem with, pretty much, all bikes with ' Daylight Running Lights' and that is that they're useless. You decided to put the bike in the shade - to give us a better chance of seeing them - which, kind of, defeats the point of having them in the first place, and makes them, basically, a decoration.
Modern bikes all have running dipped lights anyway and, when riding in daylight - which, for me, is nearly all the time, I use my main beam. It, definitely makes you more visible, without blinding oncoming traffic. If the weather's very overcast, or it's dusk, I switch to dipped beam. I don't think I've ever been flashed by other cars, and never been warned by police.
Nice review, as always TMF
Cheers Geoff - good tips!
This is exactly how lm thinking if l got the 850, would. I be wishing l got the 900!
Nice video as always, TMF. Your audio quality is always a league above the rest. It occurred to me today that the 850 Sport costs almost exactly the same as the Yamaha Tracer 9, i.e. not the GT version. Given that the Tracer has adjustable suspension (debatable as to how important that is to normal riders) and more electronic aids as well as more power and torque, how would you rate them in comparison?
Well I prefer the Triumph personally - not keen on the looks of the new Tracer although clearly it’s good value!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I agree. I'm not a fan of weird semi-futuristic designs like the Tracers and MTs, various Kawasakis and most KTMs. I wouldn't mind adjustable suspension, though, but that usually comes at a price.
A couple of observations as a 900 gt pro owner. The tool kit is useless... no spanner to be able to adjust the chain. I should have kept my set from the 800!
Nice to have a centre stand though. It would also be good if the led spots worked with just the daylight running light on. Otherwise a good bike and review.
Every bike with a chain should have a center stand.
I agree with you about the lights. I (would) always use the standard lights on, day or night. I want to be seen.
I’ve ridden those light green laning roads with my sports touring bike with normal tires. No problem at all. Just don’t ride too fast.
If you’re tiptoeing when standing still on a normal road you can get in trouble on an uneven surface or in a corner. If the ground’s a bit too far away, then try to keep the bike upright. I couldn’t once.
So every superbike and supersport should have a centre stand? No.
Fit an auto chain oiler. The Scotoiler on my T100 goes 2600mls on one fill, no brained!
@@MichaelWilliams-jc2ui you need a centre stand to easily clean the chain.
@@palantir135 never cleaned a chain in my life and I’ve been riding chain driven bikes for 47years!
@@MichaelWilliams-jc2ui how long do your chains last?
Top notch review as expected. Few comments... I agree with you about the light switch configuration. It's mental and should totally be reversed. In fact, why is there an option of making the DRL brighter? That switch should have dipped beam and high beam, that's it. The overpass trigger should be left as a trigger, not controlling the low/high beam. Secondly, finding the N in the box a bit fiddly, isn't it? You struggled finding the neutral in the parking lot. Lastly, I wished the 850 came with the hand-guards as standard.
Glad it’s not just me that doesn’t get the light switch set up! ….and generally I found the gearbox to be excellent…
min 7:30. it has threads. for spools. so you can put it on a rear stand 10mm I believe.
literally just bought one. upgrade from z650
I was looking at this as a possible upgrade for my cb500x, what a coincidence. There are some nice middleweight adventures coming out soon though. I do kind of like the lack of electronics.
Yes there’s a lot to be said for keeping things simple - I think this bike is pitched just right…
Great review again - especially showing night riding. One request...could you add coolant level inspection to the practical stuff in future please? My bike is a moderate faff and is something I would consider in any future purchase. Cheers.
Good idea! Thanks for that…
Great review again Mr Fly. I'm with you on the light switches, very counter-intuitive. I think all bikes should have a centre stand, like when I started out in the 1980's, with the exception of sports bikes that are trying to save weight. In the real world they are essential for routine servicing.
Totally agree Michael!
Buy a little one tonne jack, no need for a centre stand on every bike apart from adventure/touring bikes.
@@gamekeeper687 I think that may be problematic on bikes with belly pans and 4 cylinder bikes with collector boxes. Great idea for naked singles, twins etc and if you have the luggage capacity to carry one.
@@michaelmclarney1994 never had a problem in my experience as a bike tech working on all kinds of bikes, if you can’t get a paddock stand on just a little trolley jack for bikes does the job.
@@gamekeeper687 that's true, I always think of when I go touring and end up adjusting the chain at a b&b. At home in the garage it's not a problem. Have a good week 👍
I'm yet to watch this TMF but I am looking forward to it. Seeing it pop up in my feed reminded me of a question I had for you: BMW 900 XR or the Tiger 900 GT? Is that something you'd be able to opine on (and of course I'd love a video but I understand the logistics of producing such a thing).
I prefer the Tiger personally - I think these are great bikes….
@@TheMissendenFlyer I shall test ride them both of course because you have to make these decisions yourself, but without having done so I was certainly learning towards the Tiger too. Especially in the Pro guises with all the nice toys on it like the heated seat, cruise, electronic suspension etc etc
Or as you're alluding to on this video, strip it right back and get this with a few options (like the quick shifter).
@@TheMissendenFlyer I was just thinking that I should leave this to MCN, and now catching up with Bike News I find they have done it.
About the "850 marketing". There's something cool about having 50 in the name. The new Forza is 330cc but called 350. The 250 2-strokes are legendary icons. The middle ground between 600cc and litre sport bikes is 750, even though 800 is bang on middle. 750 somehow sounds cooler.
There's talk about MotoGP downsizing the engines to 850cc. If that happens, that will affect how people think of engine sizes and marketing a little bit.
Not bad at all for a touring bike. Just wondering why they complicated the 'light switch'... following BMW is not always a good idea.👏👏
Not sure what the confusion is about. Switch in default position is typical low beam, flick it up to DRL position when riding in bright sunny weather. Seeing as it's mostly dull leave it in the low beam position for the majority of time.
Only complicated if you are a bike reviewer…
Not sure that adjusting the screen while doing 70 in the outside lane is the best plan!! That said it did look easy but could go wrong! Another nice bike from the Triumph stable which looks competent at its intended purpose. Good review as ever Andy, but I don't think I'd pick it over the 900!
Fair enough Mick!
You should add more adverts. It makes the content really engaging.
I don’t have any say over when where and how many adverts CZcams decides to serve I’m afraid….sorry about that!
Lovely review, would I go for that or street triple? 🤔🤔 they both have positives and negatives. Hey Andy, are you intending to review the Voge 500, I have heard good things
No plans Ian I’m afraid….
2:06 nice gloves 😍
Cheers
Great insight. I appreciate the pros and cons. One off topic question. I struggle to find amber sunglasses. What brand and are they prescription by chance? Thanks for any guidance.
They are prescription and from glasses direct (el cheapo!)
I think this bike would make a good all arounder for a rider who could only have one bike at a reasonable price. You must might be able to work a centerstand into the deal. Cheers!
I had a Triumph 1050 RS in 2000 which came with a twin headlamp but only one worked at a time. The dealer did quick fix to make them both work together. I wonder if this would still be the case. might be worth asking the dealer about it.
Thanks for another great review...any thoughts on how this compares with the BMW F850 GS Sport, in your opinion? Thanks
Much easier to live with (lighter to move around - BMW is top heavy in comparison) - the BMW has more tech and a better TFT....that's my summary!
Top vid TMF, would like to know why centre stands are not standard on many bikes, routine maintance on my 250l is a chore, blocks of wood & all that just to clean the chain?
Yes a right pain isn’t it!
Nice bike but if you had a choice between getting a new one of these with the extra bits or a used good condition BMW GS1200 what would your choice be ? . For me I think it might be the used GS great review as always Andy .
Tough call Malcolm - if the used GS was in great condition, low mileage, good price and serviced then yes, I’d probably go for the GS. Close though…
Needs an Atlas throttle lock and 10H.P..(detuned) less then 900 but only happens
in top of the rev range and basically most folk never go there.Even 2 up good to go.
good review ,good bike.but try getting hold of one near impossible,two dealers wouldn,t except an order untill next year!!!!!!
Really?!! Crazyville!!!
Why don’t we make more of a fuss about luggage in tourers?? 1300 is about 15% of the bikes price. That’s ludicrous!
Luggage is crazy expensive isn’t it…
I agree. I think manufacturers are taking the mick with hard luggage pricing. I can’t blame them though as the ‘global trotter’ look is still fashionable so would be foolish not to sell it. I also believe riders are habitually over speccing what they need for occasional touring taking an unwelcome hit on price when it comes to sell. After market soft luggage is much better value.
Could you get a Honda NC750X DCT for your next long term review? If I remember correctly, you have a DCT Goldwing and I thought it would be interesting to review a more affordable DCT Honda.
I agree with regarding the twin lights should both be come on & bikes not needing too many electronic aid gizmos .I reckon all bikes except trial & trail bikes should come with a main stand especially if bike is chain driven .It’s awkward to squat down trying to stretch up holding one handle bar grip ,whilst you try & asses the oil level in small sight window. I have had to order a stand for my newest machine ,never had to do that before .The manufacturers are being tight fisted money grabbing shysters ,shame on them all .They are only supplying about 97 % of a whole machine ..Good revue Mr Flyer ,not too keen on modern triumphs but must admit they make nice triple engines 👍
Glad we concur!
I think you should make a point about fuel tank size and fuel range. as a prospective touring bike, I like to know how far a bike will go on a full tank of fuel. I always run a new bike dry to see how far I can go when that low fuel warning comes on. Obviously I have some spare fuel on board to carry out this test.
Yes I’ve always though I should do that!
I have the 900 GT pro which I think has an identical tank. It holds 20 litres and is good for about 230 miles.
It is always good to know the extras you would add but but it would help to know the additional cost. Manufacturers’ mercenary treatment of “extras” such as centre stands, heated grips etc hides the real price, especially when you add the cost of fitting. I am always equally concerned in these days of silly mudguards about the vulnerability of radiators and and rear shocks, and whether protectors would be necessary.
It is incredible that the whole bike can be built and sold at a profit for around £9k but the luggage costs about 15% as much, at some £1300.
Yes the price of luggage always surprises me!
"Stand down" :) Tell me i am not the only to have dismounted without remembering to but the stand down first. Only needs to happen and you will never forget again.
True…
I never use the side stand, so that problem is non existent 😁
Nice bike. Shame you can't spec cruise which makes such a difference for motorway schleppage.
Don't agree vis-a-vis the 850 (instead of 900) name. I think it was a great idea and got rid of the low spec 900 bike nicely (which wasn't selling). Also glad to see that the futile mobile charging box under the rear seat was not included in this. Waste of good space that was. Have the vibes been fixed? I had the Rally Pro (Unfortunately totalled) and the handlebar vibes were unbearable at times... The main reason I din't replace the bike with the same..
Quick question, Is the back light on when you are in drl position? Here in france we tend to ride around with dipped lights on alll the time anyway.