Asgard's Walls: Keep the Enemy OUT
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- Interpreting myth: Verses 25/26 in Vǫluspá refer to the same myth found in chapter 42 of the Prose Edda book Gylfaginning which tells the story of how a Jotunn in disguise deceived the gods to enter a deal in which he would build the walls of Asgard in exchange for the sun, moon and the hand in marriage of Freyja. This is one of the most misunderstood myths of Norse mythology so I have decided to explain it as best I can.
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Now that I think about it, germanic mythology is absolutely filled with gods having to sacrifices of themselves either by losing body parts or damaging their reputation. There's a strong theme of equivalent exchange and putting yourself at risk for a higher purpose.
exactly
Well Greek God's are Immortal and invincible effectively. They have nothing to be concerned about. (Except conversions of their followers.) 😉 😉 The Norse God's know they face some impending doom. So being Heroic is something the Norse God's can be through facing dangers. Not Greek.
Can you recommend a good place for me to start, to learn about Germanic mythology?
Manus and _*Yemo_
In the ancient Indo-European Aryan tradition man is a microcosm of the universe and the universe is a macrocosm of man.
There is no giving without taking, and no taking without giving.
@@fiddleback1568 Indo-European gods are Immortal, but not indestructible. Even they will end.
“We’re gonna build a wall, the best wall. It’s gonna be amazing. And the Jotun are gonna pay for it!”
-Odinn, probably
It sort of actually happened that way 😄
And then the mad lad actually built it and made the Jotun pay for it! Incredibly based
@@MrFredstt and he got a pretty good horse out of the deal as well
Make Asgard Great Again
Yup, except Odin follows through on it. The jötuns actually paid for it
“The Medium is the Message”, and Myth is the Medium of the divine. Know your folk’s stories and the oldest gods will teach you wisdom. Also, There’s been an uptick in StJ content lately and I couldn’t be happier.
I noticed the term 'uptic' appeared early last year or late the year before. After a slow start, it was used more and more by people who really wanted to say 'increase'. 'Uptic'! Who invents things like that?
Well said! Myth is precisely that! The attributes and activities of the gods and their interactions with one another and with us.
@@abbasalchemist Nice to see you here! Love your channel.
@@GarrisonFall It be handy if you like germanic words better than romance ones.
@@varalderfreyr8438 I can't remember why I posted that comment. Maybe I replied to the wrong one?
Please don’t ever stop what you are doing! I know our community has been slowly dismantled but many of us still love this kind of information and the people that take it upon themselves to convey / protect it
Missed your uploads. Can't wait for your next documentary. My favourite Indo European historian on CZcams .
I'm so glad there's people like Jive around to really educate us on our pagan history. I see leftists and Christians alike constantly twisting and misrepresenting what native European paganism is
Unsurprising considering that leftism is itself a Christian heresy.
Ha ha. Y’all good at losing Chud. You are doomed. We are able to make our Own reality while you cry and whine.
@@gabeyo5071 ..What?
Awesome video Tom. The Reddit pagans have attempted to woke every element of the stories. Keep up the great work.
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, ‘Good fences make good neighbors.’
we don't allow anyone hailing loki or his offspring in our circles. I think it is a good rule of thumb and anyone who disagrees is usually bad news.
One doesn't choose the Lords of chaos, they either choose you - or hopefully, for your sake, they do not.
Those people are the type who would have been cast out by our ancestors and probably died in the wilderness. We must make this practice acceptable again. The curse of over abundance albeit of a superficial and artificial variety, has made our folk fat and lazy and prone to apathy. Or the worship of false idols and outcasts. The adoration of the so called anti-hero in our postmodern society has given rise to the adoration of discrepancy and freakishness. Or worse, the worship of absolute evil.
Fantastic, I'd never thought of that tale in such a way but it's obvious now you've put it in that context. Thank you!
@Black Lesbian Poet in English...
Tom you’ve been on fire with the uploads. Appreciate the hard work!
"What the poets and story-tellers say-that the wicked prosper and the righteous are afflicted, or that justice is another’s gain? Such misrepresentations cannot be allowed by us." - Plato
Tom, I would love a video focusing on the differences between the Indo-European religions vs. the Abrahamic religions. How they evolved, what they say about marriage and childbirth, the roles of women in society, and what Europe (sadly) left behind when Christianity spread throughout the Roman empire and later Germany. Great video, as always. Cheers.
Such a dystopia way Semitic culture genocides European ones. Reborn must be European identity and culture.
There's also some weird similarities like the divine twins
@@Jemelly Not really. The divine twins of IE myth are horses or horse men hybrids of some sort, and they are identified as rescuing a solar goddess and being sons of the sky god. Nothing like that exists in Abrahamism. Cain and abel are humans, the son of humans, no horse association and no rescue of a sun goddess. There is not enough to make a comparison.
@@Survivethejive A compare and contrast between European folk religion and Abrahamic faiths is a good topic
@@Survivethejive Centaurs then!
I can't tell you enough how thankful I am for your channel. There are too many liberal Pagan channels that I just can't listen to. It's so nice hearing someone who understands the importance and the very foundation Paganism was built on, Natural Law. This story is a great example. They understood the very serious issue of outsiders or outside forces working to destroy their people and homes. Our ancestors fought and died against any and all invasions, whether it was from different cultures or different people. Thank you for being a rational and traditional Pagan.
Glad you're back.
This is comparable to the myth of the creation of the city of Rome. The city (Urbs) was encircled (Orbis) by the Pomerium. This was supposedly done by Romulus.
Roman myths are often Indo-European in content but often converted into quasi-history.
Actually this interpretation was eye opening, I never understood the norse myths this way but it makes so much sense. Hope you do more in the future.
This is a topic or question I have been wanting a comprehensive explanation on for a long time, and so a very valuable video. The Aesir are often now depicted in unflattering terms in things like 'American Gods' or 'God of War', and post-modern literature too.
Would you consider expanding on Odin's moral character in particular since he has been singled out for character assassination, as a 'con-man', in a couple of pop culture works. I know this is not your regular format, but that would be very much appreciated.
Beautifully presented, interestingly enough; this story could align with the British story of “Thor fighting the Devil” that you covered some time back. It would also be nice if you would cover the common pagan conception that “Odin broke his oaths.”
Tom, also take note that Freya's name is etymologically linked to the word 'Frith'. Not only is she beloved of the gods and conducive to order, but her name has explicit links with tribal wellbeing; frith being the result of "harmony with one's own race/kin".
are you sure about that? I think it just mean "lady" in the noble sense
@@Survivethejive Hmm. I used the Old English Wiktionary entry for the aforementioned root, but I just checked my Proto-Germanic handbook by Vladimir Orel and he has it linked to "foremost", essentially.
I may have been a bit hasty in my conclusions, but I also wonder about the Old English entry on Wiktionary. Are we dealing with a simple case of false-friends or a homophone?
@@ingefot4817 freya is the feminine form of Frey which is from Proto-Germanic *frawan
@@Survivethejive Thanks for your reply. I can't find any scholarly dissent on that link, but in my reading, I found that Frigga (OE Frig) is indeed linked to the word-root that I firstly spoke of.
They absolutely did not break their oath. The Jotunn deceived the Aesir from the beginning (you literally just said that my friend haha). You're so perceptive and insightful. I agree 100% about folks being tempted to worship the Jotnar for the wrong reasons. As well as trying to force Loki into a transgender box which is completely wrong. If Loki's transformation signifies anything it would be how magical and inhuman he truly is. He's a shape shifter and a Jotunn with a level of (anti)divinity far beyond human comprehension. You're awesome, man. 👍
Transgenderism is not a "box." In fact, it's a phenomenon that transcends and blurs status quo social boundaries. Many mystery cults, including that of the Norse (skald tradition, et al.) featured esoteric dimensions of gender, many of which are 'hidden' in Middle Earth. Loki is not "inhuman" or "anti-divinity." That's a goofy modern presupposition of alterity.
As a Mexican, that wall comment was way too hilarious, love this channel
The paralells go even deeper: just like with the modern equivalent there are great people decended from the Jotun helping and being part of the forces of order ... even Thors mother is a Jotun... translated into the modern context: a decent american of mexican decent should aid in buiding the wall to defend against cartels smuggling drugs and promoting child sex slave trade..... it has nothing to do with honourable people of Mexico! (They are just "not sending their best".)
10K thanks! What an amazing educational video. Thank you for standing up/representing our culture.
This was a great video, thank you Tom! I really quite enjoyed this lecture-style myth breakdown and interpretation.
> Looks at video title
Finally, people are starting to notice the geopolitical elements of Norse/Germanic myth.
Geopolitics transcends time and culture because it is inherent in all living things.
Thank you for doing a video on the Germanic faith again. it seems to have been a lifetime since the last one.
In sanskrit/hindi we have "garh"->gardr, for same idea.
Garh is commonly used for Fort.
Garthr-geard-yard. Protec your Yard!
He is hard
He is Bard
But most importantly
He protecc yard
Just what I needed, spent the whole day yesterday in church attending a friends child's baptism. So this will be my "Great Spiritual Reset" ;)
Thank you for your work Thomas
Thanks you! Your work is honourable
Hmm....I never really considered the "anti-god" concept until this video. It makes sense, looking across at Greek mythology - Titans vs. the greek gods.
Ettin is the English word for Jötunn in Norse. They both mean “eaters, gluttons, large/big” but never translated directly to the word most of us use today. The word “Geant” in French is where we get the common pronunciation and spelling of the word Giant, which comes from Greek “Gigante” which means the same for what ettin and jotunn translate to; “large, strong, mighty.” Titan comes from greek with many guesses at to what it can mean, Titanen/Titanes, Tito; Can mean sun, or glory. “One who bears strain/cursed ones” as it was said Uranus so named them for the future they would bring about, betraying father sky.
Today all of these words can mean Giant, Large, Big and Strong. In mythology, the Gigantes and The Titans are rumored at being the same instance, Gaia bore Typhoon to avenge the Titans after Zeus and the Olympians are triumphant, ik the gigantes come from Uranus blood technically all the divines that live with ichor in their veins get it from Earth and Sky. The Jotnar to the Norse are the Titans to the Greeks though few will explain the similarity as I will. The Jotnar come from the Hrímthurisar(Frost Giants) who are the first creatures and Gods to exist growing from Ymir, the first Giant/God/Thing. In the “lullaby of giants” there’s a kenning that they are neither divine nor mortal(kennings are play on words that go over peoples heads when they read them literally.)
Until Buri the Jotunn were gods, but then Buri has Bor from an unnamed lady Jotunn wife, then Bor seeks Bestla to have Odin, Vili, and Ve and now we have Æsir=Olympians. To get Odin you Need Ymir, to get Zeus you need Cronos. Ymir is taken down by the three young Æsir(Titanomachy) Bergelmir saves the Jotnar race by surviving the deluge(The Nephilim were on the earth in those days And After)
There are countless examples from many cultures everywhere to show the Titans and Jotunn are Giants, the religions themselves and what’s written about them are what differ. But as you can see the Titans were as much primeval nature spirits as much as The Jotnar Are. This comes from a lot of study abroad with other cultures, it’s not 100% credible certification like a scientist has, I’ve just been grateful of gaining as much experience in theology and cultures that I posses today, hope this helps :)
@@AerYdmyg Thank you for the comparison and the knowledge! I greatly appreciate it!
@@jsharveyPRIME more than happy to share what I’ve learned, as soon as I saw your comment my inner nerd took over lol. May the Gods bless to you and yours friend❤️🌏
I must say you sound like a priest almost in your interpretation and telling of the story and I mean that in a good way.
Because our beliefs are not just "folk tales" or mythology to be studied in the sense of it being "historical". These are relevant and timely topics for the IE people of today. We should begin treating them with such reverence and importance as the RCC treats their's.
Good to see you back tom
Epic STJ sweater! Hope to see some more content on Traditionalism soon
did you see the video I did with @modern platonist recently?
@@Survivethejive Ah I see, seems interesting!
Excellent as always.
We appreciate you immensely, Tom
Absolutely superb interpretation and explanation. I came across this accusation that it was the wrong doing that got them closer to ragnarok and it was the beginning of an end described in this myth. It was kinda shocking to read and I couldn't belive it. Now I can't even recall where was it but possibly a academic paper from late 90's. To me the myth didn't indicate at any. Point that they broke the oath. They were just hoping that the lad won't be able to build it in time therefore they agreed. They didn't intend to brake it. And they didn't. The builder didn't manage to finish building it in time. More please.
Well stated, good sir!
In swedish the word became gärde and gård. Meaning acre, field and garden
Gärdsgård, heh
"Gard" in norwegian means "farm". Which usually is fenced in. By a "skigard" in the old days, which is a type of fence (google has it).
Gärsgård in swedish is the fence around a farm
@@helenaedholm1162 Interesting that Sweden has such different terms on fences. Skigard is specific "hankgärdesgårdar". I think actually the word gard (and in swedish even more prominent: gärs/gård) could be both a farm and a form of defence. Maybe related to "Guard".
Wonderful video. Thank you! This is one of my favorite stories.
Great video mate.
Great job on this video the work you do is very appreciated
Thank you for such a thought provoking and multi-layered discussion! I grew up with these stories but never made a comparison to our present day challenges. Order vs Chaos. It all makes perfect sense now.
In general I wish people would try to keep their political opinions out of myth and history.
One can have political discussions regarding modern day issues without having to force myth and history to fit their world view. I address that to the “left”, the right” and whomever would consider disregarding the sacredness of myth for their own benefit.
You can disagree with an interpretation but must always check that you are doing so for legitimate reasons and not disappoint that it doesn’t back what you already believe.
People can even disagree with the position that their subscribed religion holds. There’s some dissonance in doing so but there’s a reason why we seperate church and state today.
There is no distinction between church and state in paganism
@@Survivethejive Church, state, logic, and the early foundation of Europe's modern psychology was all the same to the development of the Jesuits Order. On one hand the Jesuits debate on cold military strategic logic which their order was founded on, the other hand 1980's and current USA Southern Baptist focus more on invoking emotion to win debates. Such as President Bush Jr. and Trump being republicans savior from god non sense, then Obama had the same glorification from the religious democrats.
From what I seen in the media over thirty years of my life and dealing with people, I got democrats and republicans to agree with me at my factory work place, but once I said I didn't believe in the Jesus myth they didn't want to hear anything more from me about politics. Also I was at another factory where I was loading 75lb truck bumpers having a religious political talk and once I spent 3 minutes dismantling the Jesus and Moham myth I had five people walk off the production area, it was an eight person work crew and only a black woman and two Jews remain. The USA Indiana Christians and Muslims walk off refusing to work with anyone who refuses to believe in their view of what god is.
Publicity USA government has the policy of separation of church and state, the people/Christians voters seen no difference between their religious views and the state government. It is not a pagan or Christian/Muslim view it is just a basic human view that religion and politics are one and the same.
@@Survivethejive You are right.
Though my point more was saying if someone was a person who was inclined to deliberately subscribe to the misinterpretation of the myth due to political beliefs, they can still hold those beliefs without having to force-fit paganism into supporting them.
Though to do so holds a certain degree of dissonance, to acknowledge the moral lesson of a myth and disagree with it.
Tom really enjoy the way you put the old ways across to the modern day listener.
You’d think these ancient myths are quite obviously important life lessons not only to ancient peoples, but that many of them would still apply today. But apparently modern interpretations matter more
Really like these myth interpretations
Great video. You never cease to please. :-)
I can see how the alphabet brigade would twist this myth as a kind of coping mechanism, they never miss a beat. Oh well they failed, again, but I suppose its the taking part that counts 🤭
Awesome video.
I miss seeing you on CZcams.
Thank you for this.
My sergeant in the Paras used to say ona march , pain goes away. Shame lasts forever.
Much truth still remains if we still listen
Good one! I support most of your thoughts in this video and as you know I have some additional aspects (narratives) from a Scandinavian perspective, nothing which disqualifies the other. All best, Tom!
I would love to hear about those Sturla
@@Survivethejive let's set it up. Would be a nice chat 👍🏻
@@VikingStories let's do it
There are certain classes of divine or mythic figures that are hermaphroditic, exhibiting both masculine and feminine in equal parts. Often these are associated with creation or transformation due to their implied ability to self reproduce and contain the totality of creation within themselves.
However, in this case, not only does he not exhibit female personality traits, but also he is only female while as an animal. Mythic transformation into different species is rarely (never that I know of) indicative of some personality trait, but rather a move towards some aim.
In regards to the jotnar, it seems that many people these days see the ancient opposition to the gods in a similar view to demons in Christianity, equate them in fact, and then lend the same sympathy they gain for their dislike of that faith towards other antagonistic forces. Ignoring that Christian demons are creatures of chaos as well, and chaotic creatures in any mythology are, if not innately evil then so difficult to use for constructive ends that it is nearly useless to try.
Ymir is the primordial hermaphrodite that is sacrificed in the beginning
Certainly a fresh interpretation of this myth. The modern attempt to pick out the aspects of humanity that are popular in our time, the LGBT etc aspects. It’s understandable because these aspects of humanity have been ignored and suppressed for some time. The rebirth of it is inevitable. It’s understandable to look for things that are identifiable to these aspects in the old myths. However, not everything means what you want it to mean. I feel for these people that they go so far to prove their point when it simply is wildly misguided and out of context.
Simply put, the meaning of these myths is skewed to fit a certain narrative. I don’t believe it’s out of bad intentions. We shouldn’t attempt to rewrite history out of context. There’s already enough of that going around as it is.
"And thus, Glaucon, the myth has been saved and has not perished, _and will save us if we are obedient to the word spoken;_ and we shall pass safely over the river of Forgetfulness and our soul will not be defiled. Wherefore my counsel is that we hold fast ever to the heavenly way and follow after justice and virtue always, considering that the soul is immortal and able to endure every sort of good and every sort of evil. Thus shall we live dear to one another and to the gods, both while remaining here and when, like conquerors in the games who go round to gather gifts, we receive our reward. And it shall be well with us both in this life and in the pilgrimage of a thousand years which we have been describing."
- The Republic, Plato
Great insights in this video. Please do more of this, and let's go deeper!
Amazing video.
well said well explained thankyou
I dont know what you think about this but maybe: the fact that Loki was so treacherous and knowing he has a hybrid background, this coult represent the dificulties of mutli cultural societies, or siply a person with parents from different ethnicities? its like he doesnt know what people he should favor and help haha
Thor hates Starkad because of his Jotun ancestry, which is ironic because Thor himself is of part Jotun ancestry.
@@Survivethejive good point, so do you think there's a meaning behind that?
@@AnfalasHerdsman It has as much meaning that you want to put behind it.
In one view Jotun is chaotic lack of self control with no self discipline having no Order in life. You have no bank savings cause you barely hold down a job and waste all your money on alcohol. Fire burning through all you have to feed yourself gluttony. Something in regards of coming from a family of alcoholics and having a strong bias against people drinking. Such as smoking, drink, and dancing is a Sin.
Asgardians are self discipline creating stable society and creating long term storage building wealth.
Well, in some stories Thor and Sif had some thunderous arguments, and stormy thundering skies without heavy winds nor rains to tear off roofs was said to be Thor arguing with his wife again. Then again at that time the people had no understanding of weather so they had to come up with something to explain what was going on.
@@krispalermo8133 yeah absolutly, i liske to give it a personal meaning too and i agree with your way of viewing it, interesting stuff. Also we assume they had no knowledge of weather "and what's going on" but can we prove that?
@@AnfalasHerdsman Regards to the physical science of weather. Most what we currently know of weather physics have only came about after we got space satellites in orbit. Weather is global and not .. local.
Solar evaporation and where ocean current come from was unknown for most of human understanding. Cause we didn't have the .. big picture.
Form what I have found from thirty years of my forty four years of life, unless it is a simple story to explain something. Most people don't have the brain power or patience to work through large time consuming math problems.
And my views come from coming from an alcoholics family and see members get on or fall off the religious Christian band wagon dealing with the sins of addiction and other such nonsense.
The Goetic demons of Solomon part of Judaism are in bases physiology and I just applied that to Norse Jotun.
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I like that you differentiated the types of people seeking to glorify Loki and The Jotunns as Agents of Chaos, in opposition to those who worship Cosmic Order. Order and Justice vs Chaos and Anarchical Tyranny.
💥”Where you recognize evil, call it evil, and give no truce
to your enemies." -Havamal Stanza 127.
I am so pleased to see you make this video Tom. We must not let our heroes, our Gods, our Myths and our Pagan beliefs fall to the same type of corruption that the Abrahamic religions have fallen victim to. Some might argue that those religions were always susceptible to such influences and manipulation. However it does not take away from the absolute fact that postmodern Neo liberalism have eaten away at them.
Never ever allow our folk to fall into hedonistic nihilism.
A1 content my dude
I remember seeing a program about the bride to be kidnapped by the groom and friends in a ritual played out before the wedding day. I believe it happens still somewhere in Romania but I might be wrong
Cool jumper!
One topic that I see that is not often talked about, that I think you should make a video on, the fighting techniques in these norse texts, because there is a surprising amount of them, a guy called qays stetkevych actually wrote a thesis in college about the many wrestling techniques outlined in texts like the sagas
Wonderful video Tom the gods are smiling on you 🔨⚡️🔨⚡️
The English words garden and yard are both related to the Indo European root gher-: "to grasp, to enclose".
A yard, as we know, is an enclosure, as in a courtyard or a lumberyard. The word is, out of all of current English, the one that gets the closest to being a one to one translation for "gard", as in Asgard.
A garden now means an area of trees and other plants.
The Swedish word for garden is trädgård, which means treegard (treeyard).
Does the word yard come from geard? Edit: After searching apparantly it is.
Thank you
I actually wish you would make more myth interpretation videos.
IMO a good translation for Jötnar is Devourers, as the root is related to eating
Is there something symbolic in Thor using a hammer, a tool of creation, to smite those who would seek to destroy the foundations of reality? I am aware that him using a club is also related to beings like Heracles and others using blunt weapons, something I'm only aware of thanks to your videos,, but I thought that maybe there might be more to it.
Great content as always.
You might enjoy this wrt to the symbology: czcams.com/video/X1PduS2ocl8/video.html
Yes, I wonder why that is...
His hammer seems to be a "War-hammer" not a hammer for building , if I remember correctly the name mjolnir means crusher
Check out Dan Davis history Channel he has a great video " was Thor's hammer made of stone" it's about connecting Thor's hammer to the stone axes of the megalithic times.
It's really good and has some great pictures of various stone hammer axes. Basically saying stone axe hammers were both a tool and a weapon at the same time.
@@Randy-1967 I think Mjolnir means lighting.
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Thanks for this.
Tom, is there a translation of the Eddas you would recommend?
I have read the Karl Simrock translation which is in german.
Could be a good idea to read an english translation as well.
I guess this correlates somehow to the swedish "Gärdsgård". Thank you for another great video
I liked this type of video
love it
Great respect for your awesome knowledge and storytelling skills. I watch your videos often and agree with your views. So liberating to know theres still a oppostion to the new world order. With regards to Eastre/Oestra not being mentioned in norse sources, i know there exist a maurish written source of a muslim traider arriving at Hedeby in springtime. He describes how the city holds rituals for the goddess of spring/light by hanging pigheads outside their housedoors and celebrating with mead and lewd behavior. Several danish historians have connected this to the cult of Eastre/Ostera Thanks again for your work. Hail from Denmark
I’m curious as to what you mean by New World order?
The concept of walls and borders is very strong in various cultures, not only the IE ones: the Etruscan were convinced Etruria and it's borders were the sacred lands their gods gave them to them, and were tasked to preserve these borders until the prophecied end of their civilization, around 800 years after the day their holy books were given to them by the Tagete. This is the reason they rarely moved for war of conquests.
I have a couple of questions:
1) Why did Odin, Villa, and Ve dislike Ymir enough to kill him?
2) Surtur and Mullspellheim (and Niffleheim) existed before the other seven Worlds. I am unaware of any interaction between Surtur and the Mullspellheimeans with anyone from another realm until Ragnorok. Why did Surtur and the Mullspellheimeans side against the Asgardians?
I read a theory that believed that the giants had killed Auðumbla which was what angered the Gods, also I've heard it said before that Surtr is simply a being of destruction that survives from one age to the next each time forging a weapon of destruction for that age to use against order and those who support order .
The way I see it the Gods were giving the Jotun a chance to be virtuous. They even let him use their horse. It's possible they didn't think the task was impossible because no one could do it in that time but that no one would do it for the cost of destroying the world. The Gods gave the giant the chance to do something good and take his time. He then used the opportunity to pursue the end of the world. This would mean the Gods are generous; they are willing to give anyone a chance to act with honor, even one of their enemies as it turns out. The Jotun attempted to use the noble nature of the Gods against them, act dishonestly, and pursue destruction. This is why the Jotun are evil and why the Gods are good. This seems to be a very important myth in that regard and so a pious interpretation of it is extremely important.
Well done and thank you for this video.
New to this channel, I was wondering if you get the chance could you possibly talk about some of the first settlements of vikings around the UK, Near where I live in Liverpool, there was settlements in runcorn & St Helens & surrounding areas,I find it really fascinating and would love to know more on areas around the North West where vikings settled or conflicts happened like in Bromborough
Cheers dude 👍
18:23 There's also the idea that an oath should be given in "good faith", an idea with ancient roots. I'd argue that if someone tricks you into giving an oath - tricks you into a bad contract - that you were never bound by your oath in the first place, because the other side made a two-faced oath with important information they didn't give to you, knowing it would have meant you wouldn't give your word. You can't be bound to your own destruction if an enemy tricks you, that's totally a time you're allowed to say "I wouldn't have given my word if I knew you were an enemy!"
I believe to have read that geard means enclosed piece of land in which only grows what is approved of by the person gearding it
At 13:25 he talks about the root of "wed" is to kidnap - can anyone tell me what video he talks about this in? I find it fascinating.
22:55 That's biological sex, not "gender". The ideologues sometimes insist on the difference, so lets nail them on that. They only use it interchangeably with biological sex to confuse people into believing more of their hogwash (and probably because they're as prude as they are degenerate).
That aside, the ideologues also despise those with the actual condition, as that proves biology rather than dismantle it; instead the ideologues prop up pretenders with Münchhausen Syndrome, born from Narcissism and other disorders. "Transgender" is also deliberately misnamed, as none of the actual patients change their "gender", their personality, interests, etc stay the same; and the non-ideologue patients understand not only that but also that they cannot change their biological sex entirely either; only the phenotype can be affected and also sufficient. The main symptoms that causes the pain for these patients manifests as something that seems best described as a full-body-phantom-limb. The brain assumes to be interacting with a body that had grown into the opposite sex and thus gets tons of "wrong" or "missing" signals, which causes distress. This seems to be the result of anomalous brain development (not simply just towards the female archetype, see Kilpatrick et al, 2019) as well as and likely the cause of the former, a borked androgen receptor. Meaning the testosterone couldn't even properly connect everywhere it needed to and thus caused subsequent anomalous developments (hence why "just give em more testosterone!" is not useless, it was tried for decades and never worked, and it's tiring that people still think they found the holy grail for coming up with that basic idea (and then never want to hear about the age old results)). For those with the real condition, cross sex hormone therapy does alleviate the psychological stress/pain after just a couple weeks; long before any phenotypal surface changes have occurred. I am not aware of research data of what happens if the HRT is stopped after certain intervals, though it is known that a resurgence of testosterone is quite the emotional rollercoaster.
The real patients you find all across the political spectrum. The Münchhausen activists that also twist everyone's mythology, history and science into absolute delusional nonsense, are only found in the extreme authoritarian left (a lot of them think themselves to be liberal left, but just talk with them and listen to how authoritarian their demands of society and other people are). These quite literally insane people, at least spouting cluster-b-personality disorder as well as other issues, or simply those lost from broken and abusive families looking for escapism and belonging, are taken in and propped up by the Communists in their quest to tear society down, to weaken it to the point that they can take full control; until everyone who'd stand against them is not a threat anymore, or simply... "gone". Which is why they go for other people's children - not just because they often don't have any of their own. It is why they always go for the education ministries first, and any non-communist/non-socialist party needs to realize that the first thing they need to wrangle out them when getting enough power, is the education ministries and reform education back into sanity and away from socialist indoctrination - it has to be ideologically neutral and it has to teach rational thinking and tickle the brains of kids to learn to think for themselves. Real critical thinking.
The Jotnar as 'anti-gods' seems similar to the Sanskrit Dasyus, who are also a monstrous enemy of the gods. The mention that at least some Dasyus have multiple heads is interesting as it's similar to the Anglo-Saxon's two-headed ettin, whose name (also attested as yttin, yettun and yotun) is obviously equivalent to jotun. The Dasyus (whose name, intriguingly, means something like 'slave' or 'devotee'), are often read as mythological analogies of the southern Indian nations threatening Aryavarta, so it's interesting to see that the Norse had something similar.
I think the Indian equivalent may be the Asuras rather than the Dasyus
Sleipnir also was associated with death, as traditionally there were four bearers of a body, with a total of 8 legs, it is the fastest horse as it carries the being into death, an event which occurs quickly
Thank you for the inspiring talk. I wondered though whether there could be another interpretation of Ve's name. In old Danish ve means both a sacred space but also pain. Odinn, vile and Ve could perhaps also mean divine inspiration/rage, will and heart/feeling/emotion
About the GEARD word.. It reminds me of the word Garden. Also because in Slavic languages gród also means an enclosure/city and ogród means garden.
It's dangerous to partake in shady deals with shady people, even if it may seem lucrative. It jeopardizes both your profane and spiritual well being (your wealth and your honour). Fortunately in this case, the asir managed to make it out with both somewhat intact.
A deal that's made with devils, is a dangerous deed indeed.
Marriage by abduction used to be well known in Western myths - for example the Roman story of the Rape of the Sabine Women, or even "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" in modern myth (when Hollywood was interested in telling stories).
Divine Rage to defeat danger
Willpower to not give up
Sacred Space in which to prosper
Bride kidnapping is still a practice in Kyrgyzstan, would you happen to know if this is connected to the IE bride kidnapping you mentioned?
I do not know but it could be. Bride kidnapping traditions still exist in the Baltic and among Roma Gypsies also
I used to live in Aysgarth Yorkshire Dales... has links to order of knights of Lazarus... resurrection
An enclosed military fortification for the gods seems too material, or ''wordly'' for ''gods''which is another word for light-beings. What about a ''field''? An enclosure of electro-magnetic nature? Could explain the specific measures too...
Dig ur Chanel fellow alchemist 👍