DETROIT RED WINGS '23-'24 SEASON IN REVIEW - Winged Wheel Podcast - Apr. 21st, 2024
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- It's that time of year as we recap the entire 2023/2024 Detroit Red Wings season.
Tune in as we start by discussing the forwards, including Dylan Larkin's leadership, Lucas Raymond's star performances, Alex DeBrincat's first year in Hockeytown, Patrick Kane's impact, J.T. Compher, David Perron, Robby Fabbri, Daniel Sprong, Michael Rasmussen, Andrew Copp, Joe Veleno, Christian Fischer, & others (4:15).
Next, the defensive group, led by Moritz Seider in the trenches, Shayne Gostisbehere, Ben Chiarot's turnaround, Olli Matta, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry, Jake Walman up top, and Simon Edvinsson's arrival (51:30).
Also, the goaltending, as Alex Lyon, James Reimer, and Ville Husso had a lot of ups and downs, and not much in between (1:10:15). After that, Derek Lalonde, Steve Yzerman, and the entire management/coaching staff's performances, as well as our thoughts on overall team trends, expectations, MVPs, favorite moments, & lots more (1:14:10).
We also give a quick notes on exit interviews from Patrick Kane, Steve Yzerman, Moritz Seider, & others (1:32:55) before we give a preview of our NHL Stanley Cup Playoff bracket picks (1:36:25) before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:38:20) - enjoy!
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I think one of the best things I can say for this season is that I wasn't ready for it to be over, and I'm more excited for next season than I have been in a very long time.
First time regular listener/watcher this season. Red Wings fan for 30+ years but have lived 20 minutes away from St. Louis my entire life.
Thank you all for what you do! I wish I would’ve listened to you guys since the beginning, but can’t wait for the content for next season. It’s been a very long time feeling this kind of way about this team!
Love that - RW fan living in St Louis.
Seeing Patrick Kane skate across the Blackhawks logo at center ice in the Winged wheel all alone with the game winner on his stick was unreal.
You could literally see Raymond do things, certain movements, etc, on the ice that Kane regularly does. It was noticeable that he took things from Kane and implemented them into his game.
I think this is the first season since I started listening to y’all (2019 or 2020) that you made it to the season review before a single prospect profile !!!
"The Sun is shining, and so is Moritz" 🌞😎🐙
-Moritz Seider
LGRW 🐙
Watching Raymond at the end. If he can do that over the entire season. I think even more 40 to even 50 goals. His confidence is what was holding him back, but not anymore.
WWP, great episode as usual.
Here's my 2 cents. Overall a very good season, even if my heart can't handle their roller coaster. I'm not a fan of dump and chase hockey, we don't have the players for that style.
Lark, most impressed by his continued development to improve his two way game. I find it hard not to state that today he shows that he is 1C, impressed. We have known for several years that he is the team's best player.
Raz, the only thing I can complain about is that he should shoot more. We Swedes are a little like we are trained to be. However, once he gave up, and made his own decisions, it ended with a hat trick. It will be very interesting to see what he and best friend Rasmus Dalin do this summer. Then like many other athletes, he has difficulty maintaining the weight over a long season. He handled the year very well and it was clearly noticeable in the last 3 parts of the season.
Cat, had no expectations of him. Would like to see him get stronger around the wall. He checks by being there, takes away the first quick pass or surfaces, sure. RW has close to 0 players who can lock the puck in the O-zone, except for Lark and Raz.
Kane, sign him sure. However, the possibility is small. I entered 40% during his closing press. Interprets it as it is about Term and Who he should play with. Might be a bridge too much for S.Y to carry out. Can improve by moving his feet instead of standing still in the O zone, as the opponents already give him so much space.
Veleno, took initiative in the first part of the season to become more invisible as it suffered towards its end. He has speed, strength, some IQ. However, he lacks all the tools to win the puck around the wall and he loses pretty much all of them. Hard to say if it's a player question or coaching/system question. Guessing, both here.
The rest of the team is a mixture of depth players and some surplus fat. The depth we got this year is perhaps our achilles heel as the team still has an extremely difficult time playing defense that keeps the NHL st. There is the occasional gem among these players, sure.
Red Wings only had more regulation wins than 6 teams in the entire league. 27 regulation wins isn't going to get it done. As close as it seems they were.. they are further away than we think especially if some of the games they won this year go the other way next year..
Arizona Coyotes had one more regulation win than Detroit for some perspective. Wings were closer to the bottom than it seems
It was Kasper that broke his knee cap.!!! Not Ras
Could have Atleast 3 gems at forward and need more RH Dmen but we have some that should compete for a spot because why wait 3 years and try for the playoffs and then add the young players and they are going to miss the playoffs and get use to playing and make the playoffs again, just move up the players that are ready and get them playing so we can get to the playoffs and stay competitive longer than wait for them wanting to be traded because every team is playing the young players and we watch them rot in GR
It is interesting Kane said he didn’t have a pre-season for this season due to surgery and he will be even better with a full pre-season.
Thanks for the insights! Love the podcast. One note to add...Griffins improved from 64 pts last to 86 pts this year. Future is 🌞 Hope they have a deep run in their playoffs.
I am optimistic about a few of these prospects, like Kasper and Edvinsson, becoming full time Red Wings in the near future. I think Cossa has at least a minimum of one more year in the A.
Why did you bring up Marc Staal… I just finally forgot about his antics
My NHL mock draft lottery: Wishful Thinking🤞
1. San Jose - Maklin Celebrini
2. Utah - Ivan Demidov (+ 4)
3. Chicago - Cayden Lindstrom (-1)
4. Anaheim - Zeev Buium (-1)
5. Columbus - Artyum Levshunov (-1)
6. Detroit - Berkley Catton (+9)
7. Montreal - Cole Eiserman (-2)
8. Ottawa - Zayne Parekh (-1)
9. Seattle - Sam Dickinson(-1)
10. Calgary - Tij Iginla (-1)
11. New Jersey - Anton Silayev (-1)
12. Buffalo - Carter Yakemchuk (-1)
13. Philadelphia - Trevor Connelly (-1)
14. Minnesota - Konsta Helenius (-1)
15. San Jose* - Adam Jiricek (-1)
16. St. Louis - Liam Greentree
My biggest concern is if Kane doesn’t come back how they’ll replace his production, not to mention he is a blast to watch play.
I truly hope Kane comes back. If he doesn’t, I feel like we are in for a similar season to this season with a couple rookies moving up into the lineup. Yzerman will make the best moves he can, just hard to replace a Patrick Kane
4 years for Kane. I don’t know how a team like Detroit can let a point per game walk.
It’s really if he wants to stay, if he doesn’t there really isn’t anything to be done, im sure if he wants to stay, Yzerman will pay the man
The big problem Red Wings has regarding Kane is that there is no one in the system that can even mimic his playstyle. I guess maybe that is who Kane is, one of a kind
In 4 years we have the best D lines in the nhl!
To me, letting an 8 point playoff cushion slip away coinciding with Larkin's injury takes nothing away from the season and only leaves the season as a massive success because THEY HAD A LATE 8 POINT PLAYOFF CUSHION. The team is BETTER than the final results, whereas a lot of times teams will get hot late when nothing matters and cover up for crap play most of the year. And that with playing 2nd/3rd string goalies almost the whole year.
They only had 27 regulation wins this year. Only 6 teams had less. Arizona Coyotes had more regulation wins than Detroit for example. They weren't actually that good.. they just had solid offense at times during the year. They fooled themselves in thinking this goaltending was gunna be good enough
I 💯 % enjoyed this season 😊 , the near future is so fn bright and promising that it's gonna b a blast to enjoy and maybe a few more Cups on the horizon 😁 and possibly a dynasty , GO WINGS
I really hope Steve can bring kane back.
I watched the game and felt nothing but deep resentment lol. They do not belong there. Yes, we probably would’ve lost the series but it would’ve been much more exciting hockey.
Lyon😂 yeah lyon around the crease hoping the puck hits him....did he make a big glove save? I don't remember....
I know this kinda sounds lame but I've been looking forward to this off-season because with the results of this season both as a team and individual players performance wise I think Yzerman and the rest of his team really have their work cut out for them to make next season as optimal as possible to make their playoff contention more viable than this year was. Will anyone else be brought up? Who will be let go or resigned? Mo and Raymond contract talks. Will any FAs be signed? If those questions weren't tough enough you have all be compounded by the salary cap and this is where I hope I see some real high IQ Yzerman problem solving and will it be adequate.
Did the Wings win a single game this year without Larkin in the lineup?
Lyon, I think, was leaned on far too heavily (out of necessity), but I thought he was fine. Sure, he let in a couple really bad goals, good for a couple squeakers a week, but most of his bad nights, the team in front of him let him down. Husso didn't look great most games, but I hope next year is different? Reimer can go duck pucks for another team.
Lalonde, I have no major complaints. He needed, as stated, to get this team ready to start on time, and he needs a few fundamental changes (unwillingness to change goaltenders mid-apocalyptic period, unwilling to use a timeout, etc), but Lalonde was good overall. Yzerman filled our ranks with whoever was available while our prospects ripen (and overripen, in the case of Edvinsson, because damn he looked good), but giving Holl three years was bad. I was a defender of Holl too, saying that maybe he'd be a better player for us without eleventy thousand members of the Toronto media breathing down his neck. Man... was I wrong.
Just a couple thoughts on the roster.
They didn't have much of choice but to lean on Lyon. I think they fooled themselves thinking goaltending would be fine.
Lalonde isn't a good coach. He's too soft and laid back and a lot of his comments towards the end of the year just don't sit right with a lot of fans.
I get they were expected to finish towards the bottom of the division but they had like a 10 point cushion and there were some people, I know me included that had them 3rd or 4th in the division. Just feels like the team gave up on the coach.. I could be wrong though
Does a vet coach shut down seider after the hospital and nagging injuries?
Probably depends on the depth of the defense. Im guessing we didnt have much of a choice than to put him in. Im sure they didnt "force" him to play...he probably told them he was good to go. What a warrior!
Kane puts butts in the seats and as Yzerman said, gives the team "swagger" - 4 years is certainly not out of the question BUT Kane was also talking fit and by that I think he wants to either have Larkin as the C or the Wings will need to find a way to get him one.
I think by the last few games of the season, Kane was paired with Perron and Compher, not with Larkin or Cat. So that might have rubbed him the wrong way. I don’t think he liked his deployment by the end.
Arizona Coyotes had 28 regulation wins just to put into perspective of Detroit barely missing the playoffs with 27.
I'd be much more excited if this team looked more like Montreal as far as a rebuild. They have a few core players that they are building around but they are filled in with a whole lot more rookies, prospects - that are getting playing time and are learning the way to play and maybe win in the NHL. Slavkofsky has come a long way these two years and are going to become elite before long. We all saw Lane Hutson play the last 2 games of the year - he will be a great rookie next year - and they have lots of those types or players. Sorry but that is a lot better than Petry, Chiarot, Copp, David Perron. Of course, we have those guys on contracts for a few years still. I don't know what you mean about people not complaining about Petry - it seemed like all year long - they never let up. No way should he be top 4 at this point in his career. Goaltending is the weakest part. I have said it before - imagine what this team would have been like if it weren't for Kane and Lyon - neither of whom were expected at the beginning of the season. Playing with a lead is something that they have to learn to do. So many times they had significant leads - 4-1 early - and let teams back - that is inexcusable - they need to learn how to put teams away early.
Emotionally Larkin will likely not fully recover until he is holding a baby in his arms.
Source: been there.
Sign Copp and overpay him ✅
Sign Compher and overpay him ✅
Sign Holl and overpay him ✅
3 to 5 year contracts ✅
Give Kane a 3-4 year contract and get value? Nah eff that.
I don’t understand this mindset from Yzerman tbh.
18M combined AAV to Seider and Raymond
Yzerman will try to squeeze that number to closer to 16
Can anyone in the media try to explain WTH happened to the #2 Defenseman Jake Walman? Do you realize he had 1 assist in his last 30 games!
Why was he a healthy scratch?
When was he "physically available"? apparently the last couple games he was listed by the Free Press as available.
What caused him to go in and out of funk?
He had a high amount of blocked shots and a brevity of hits...just weird.
He is a really great skater and huge hard shot. Talented guy.
He was injured and wasn't 100%. It's probably as simple as that.
This has been answered by everyone, across all platforms, on numerous occasions. He was cleared to play. Injury was nagging, wasn't playing how he's used to. Stopped playing. He will be good to go next year.
@@DJBumblebee12 now that the season's over we learned of Sieder's hospitalization on the morning of the game. Usually we learn of player's specific injuries.
Did you hear specifically what was Walman's injury then?
it's all about ice time he was dancing acting like an idiot out there...... at least Hronek had trade value. many guys can shoot 100
@@kevinkelley332 No, just a lower body injury.
91 points? That’s a problem with the present goalies. Go get Markslem.
Love the program boys, but please don't compare the Wings to the Lions. The Lions haven't won anything in 74 years. Its only been 16 years since Wings last championship. Everything is relative..🤔
Don't compare the Wings to the Lions because the Lions are a much better ran organization at the moment and are much closer to a championship than the Wings.
I'm not even sure if the Wings make the playoffs next year or the following years going forward. Making the playoffs is the bare minimum goal for the Lions.
@johnnyslokes2712 you poor bastard 😂
That Labatt as is so bad lol
Lyon was way better. He needs a good partner. So they can push each other
“This guy might be a dude” - Brad
Red wings were only tied with Washington for the playoffs because we award teams for not losing in regulation. Wings only won 27 games in regulation. Theres only 6 teams with less wins in regulation.. the Wings are actually a worse team than we realize. If you got 2 points for winning and 0 points for anything else.. Wings only have 54 points.
I feel like they probably shouldnt have signed a couple dudes they signed and had a couple more young bucks in their line up
Bergren is better than Veleno.
Look I know u cannot just get a full roster of all star players and good players that you want. If u could, every team would be really good. But this entire lineup is underwhelming. Every single player is below 50 pts except larkin raymond kane debrincat. Minus those 4 players ever single player on the team is the definition of meh. I do not see anything changing for a while. We have so much money tied up in these extremely average players. If u look at how good the really good teams are, The wings have a very long road before they will be competing for a cup. Yzerman will be on his 6th year. I look at the good teams and see the puck management and stick handling and how good their defense is and how involved the defense is on the offense. There is 0 creativity on our offense....none. no one knows where to be and when to be there or how to get in tough gritty spots for scoring opportunities and if we lose kane it will be worse. And we bring the younger guys up we will actually regress next season. So I dunno what people think is going to be happening but until we get some actual talented guys who work really hard. We are stuck in this boat of mediocrity for a long time. The offense wasn't actually bad earlier in the season. I have no clue how everyone just forgot how to play hockey since February. No one seems to be able to pass correctly for even handle a pass for that matte. To much bobbling of the puck and turnovers of these ridiculous long stretch passes. I do not know what this team is going to do or what the answers are. I have no solutions in sight. I wish I knew. But the fact that yzerman has been here 5 years and we only had 2 of his drafts playing (3 finally when they brought edvinson up) since he got here in 2019. A complete rebuild should take no more then 4-6 years, by the 6th year u should at least be making playoffs. Considering how bad holland left things inhave given yzerman my patience and benefit of the doubt. And seeing them blow a 9pt lead and missing playoffs was a disaster. They have got to set the goal and expectation for playoffs next year. It will be 6 years next season and they have got tonat least make playoffs next season. If they do not, I will be questioning what is going on.
It kills me to see how Tampa, Boston, and Toronto - even Washington and Pittsburg to a lesser degree - lose good players but are able to reload on the run while Detroit languishes in constant rebuild mode. Also, although he made the playoffs in his rookie year, I fret that Dylan Larkin - even though he’s in his prime - might be one of those higher-end players that won’t make the playoffs again. I hope my feeling is dead wrong, but even if he and his Red Wing teammates are able to make the playoffs in his era, as far as a Stanley Cup is concerned - IMPOSSIBLE.
You don’t think the Red Wings will be a competitive team within the next 8 years??
Those teams have stacked top end talent and/or an elite goalie. We don’t have multiple 100 plus point scorers or multiple 40 plus goal scorers. That is the offensive side. Think our scouting overvalued the 200 foot game too much and undervalued scoring in offensive players that needed to develop on defense. Prospects could be “not a net negative” but they didn’t have the game to be a net positive offensively IMO.
those are completely different situations. Those teams that you mentioned - are built around very high end core players - Stamkos, Kuch, Hedman, Vas - in Tampa, Marchand, Pasta, Mcavoy, Lindholm in Boston, Marner, Mathews, Nylander in Toronto - those are all elite talents that are the core of those teams. The rest of complimentary that the teams are built around . Detroit does not have those types of players - It is hoped that Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson are going to be those types of players so far they certainly look as if they could be - but they are not in that category yet. Those elite players on those teams are core -and the rest they fill in around. That is what Yzerman is trying to do - he still needs a couple centers and a goalie. If they can get those three players - I think you can consider Larkin as one - of those - so they are another really high end center and goalie away. You get those two - and then they will be much more in the same caliber and they will be that for a much longer time because they are younger obviously.
@@davidclick5344 you can pick up defensively responsible players pretty cheap though. You have to draft or pay through the nose for 70 plus point guys. That is my point. Much easier to plug in defensive specialists to round out your team than to try to continually trade for or bring in free agents to do it. Much less stress on your cap if your drafting produces them. Too many bottom six projecting drafting than home run swings.
@@davidclick5344 Yeah, I got you.
Kneel to the Ottawa Senators you poverty franchise