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A look at what BART could have been, what it still has potential to be
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- čas přidán 10. 02. 2019
- Plenty of riders have criticized BART over the decades, but to really understand it's strengths and weaknesses, you have to ride back even further in time, to the battles that raged before the first shovels even broke ground. abc7ne.ws/2TFKxpq
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You can thank NIMBYS for the original plan coming up short.
Basically having no vision of the future.
In Eastern Contra Costa County, we have been paying for a BART extension for decades yet we wound up with a toy ebart diesel train that forces riders onto narrow little trains for one stop before having to get off and transfer to the real BART trains. The Antioch station which services hundreds of thousands of people and is one of the fastest growing parts of the bay area, got a small parking lot that is full by 7am. Now they added a new parking lot yet cities like Walnut Creek just got another huge multi-level parking garage. I guess no BART board members live in Oakley, Antioch, Brentwood or beyond.
They should build future Bart lines on the lower level of the Bay bridge and use the right of way for the old Key System Electric Railway that connected San Francisco to Oakland via the Bay bridge from 1938 to 1958.
Bingo!
@Va Sr I meant in the form of an LRT, not heavy rail.
@Va Sr That's impossible to know for sure without a study. But we do know that BART was specifically designed as a extremely light system capable of going on automotive bridges. It is not at all farfetched to assume that a relatively light BART train would be ideal for the Bay Bridge lower deck. The Bay Bridge is after all a rail bridge that was retrofitted to accept cars on the lower deck. It was not designed for cars originally.
@Va Sr BART is a superlight system that was specifically designed to run on the Golden Gate Bridge. A BART car weighs less than a semi and the lower deck of the Bay Bridge was designed for trucks and trains originally. And those old steel trains were heavier than aluminum BART cars. A full ten-car BART train weighs less than 10 semis.
The bridge can definitely take it. If anything, having a million cars stuck in traffic on what was a rail bridge is probably more damaging to the Bay Bridge.
loving relations with the government mom and roommates!!!!!!!!!!! and the teachers and the school............
Just wait till VTA is up and running with the new BART extension. Once that opens, you will have a ring of transit around the Bay Area. BART to VTA, VTA to Caltrain.
Cute
I wanna try todo the loop
the only problem is it wouldnt be integrated :/
@@ladder3257 BART and Caltrain are already pretty well integrated. The largest problem was Caltrain's low frequency. If the Caltrain was late by more than a few minutes, BART simply couldn't wait for the transfer so you were screwed.
But now that Caltrain is being electrified and brought almost to BART standards frequency-wise, this will be a perfect pairing. You'll be able to transfer between the two systems even easier.
@@TohaBgood2 that is true. big RIP to north bay though
Just at the start of the pandemic. Little did anyone know what the next 18 months would bring.
The movie fruitvale stTion was about bart
Make the original vision a reality... again! Clearly it's needed and wanted by the citizens and yes develop it along with TOD's (Transit Oriented Developments) Hong Kong actually makes money on their trains via high density mixed use property developments adjacent to their stations...
Hong Kong is unlivable look up cage homes
Bart is doing that high density property development adjacent to stations too
@@Angela-cd9bj But not nearly enough, fast enough... Too many NIMBY Karens blocking developments based on fantasies of living in a small town within a huge city... Good luck with that!
@@qjtvaddict Go away racist troll!
@@stickynorth This! We need most of development both housing and office to be located right next to our transit stations if we want anyone to take transit.
If you live thee miles away from transit and your job is located two more miles away from the closest station then you've just doubled your commute by taking transit.
The only way to fix it is to simply allow development primarily at transit stations. We need to do this asap.
Dion is amazing.
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Boy, this didn't age well...
Good luck.
No one needs to put BART over the GG Bridge. Just build another tube, call it the "Golden Gate Tube", and you can now serve North Bay customers. Of course that is easier said than done, but I don't see it as an impossible feat.
It would be extremely difficult to build a tube at the Golden Gate. Much more feasible to run them on the bridge.
What about the mysterious thomas wooden railway bart? A toy on which there is pretty much no info and only 3 low quality images.
And still the North Bay gets screwed?
THANK YOU! i live in marin and car is the only option besides golden gate transit :/
Add in a bridge bro
how about build the 2nd transbay tube underneath San Mateo bridge.
how about converting the under utilized VTA light rail into BART. the one running to Santa Theresa should become BART.
June 13th your wish comes true! BART will finally connect with VTA! :)
Too expensive just make the light rail go where people want to go plus BART now links to the VTA light rail and rapid 523/500 buses
there si not future for those awho dont ahrd in theusa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you dont subjet yorusefl to the nation state!!!!!!!!!! adn work ahrd with grit and finish all your work and assingments then youll be arrested or fried!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! two exams for stats and 8 quizzes and one exams for environment two reading quizzes!!!!!!!!!!!
ai bussew ton ceom fr onaoer 5y ears and subwya ownt come fro naother 2 years. one miel 90 mintues 40 mitnues a card and key to get to school and back everyday on tuesday and thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bart fee's should be based on income
This is what happens when you DON’T have a vision for the future. You end up having to pay more down the line.
They had a very good vision for the future. The Karens and Kens of yesteryear prevented it from being built. They blocked a ton of lines and prevented transit oriented development at the stations. They all wanted to drive to BART so we got what we got.
It's not enough to have a good vision, you also need the people's support for it to be implemented.
@@TohaBgood2 That’s what I meant, actually. The Bay Area could’ve had a public transportation that rivaled New York City. But, the NIMBYS of that time couldn’t see it.
VTA should go north. Its faster than bart. Its better than bart in every way. Thank GOODNESS it didn’t expand that garbage.
vta is actually a top speed of 55 mph. bart is almost 95 (clocked it before)
@@ladder3257 But the waiting time of 20-30 minutes, constant delays, getting into the station and just the plain hassle of BART is the problem.
@@jayjohn9680 the ‘hassle’ is there but it’s not like it isn’t with vta and the speed def makes up a lot of ground that you say is lost from the hassle
@@ladder3257 Your reply is cool and all but when Im going there and upon handing a ticket I needed help with the agent is literally yelling at me and other agents pester paying passengers while a guys aggressively panhandling inside a station for hours on end… VTA is just hands down a better experience.
@@jayjohn9680 vta is more comfortable for sure. not as practical though, the expensiveness and speed hurts it
i smoke a lot cigarreetes cigars and tobacco pipes.
One Dead System since the 90s past Worthless and A General Ripoff