Destiny Finally Takes Gloves Off, Debate Ends In TEARS
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- Destiny reacts to Lav talking about him on other streams and finally decides to take the kids gloves off after she jumps into stream. Debate ends in tears and possible bridge collapse...
Date: 23 Oct, 2022
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00:00:00 Start
00:00:48 Lav isn't interested in teaching Destiny
00:03:00 Lav, Erudite, Brittany discuss drama
00:10:15 Nobody came to MrGirl's aid
00:16:14 Stardust joins call
00:22:18 Lav joins stream
00:31:26 Lav crucifies ppl and then changes her mind
00:41:35 Lav impresses Destiny, thinks Destiny's feelings are fair
00:47:17 Destiny's honesty and charitability towards Lav
01:04:23 Presenting relationship problems to other ppl
01:08:55 "I don't how to ask what I want from you"
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Destiny, how do you do it? Seriously. I watched that fucking train wreck of a conversation with Lav, and watched the train wreck of a conversation with Max last night. They're two birds of a similar fucking feather. They're both legitimately insane, lying, or stupid at this point because they've pushed shit SO FAR that I can't think of them as normal at all. So these three choices are the options they have and I have no idea which one it is. Destiny, you gotta talk to more people with common sense to keep your damn SANITY. I mean jesus fucking cthulu, hastur christ. I would end up leaving these two high and dry, and here you are trying to explain shit to Lav. You got more patience than me, man.
Hey I think people need to realize lav isn’t stupid. She just doesn’t understand what the words she’s using mean. She has a large vocabulary, and just throws words around she clearly doesn’t know the meaning of .
As an ESL person myself , I think she would benefit from doing some vocab games with words destiny often uses so she can go back to copying his style. This MR GIRL arc she is having is a dead end.
Why don't you play these games with more feelings... everything you do in game is so.... efficient... :D :D :D
Sorry but those ladies are supposed to b sex and bdsm teachers their main friend evie lupine is the biggest idiot of them all gives false info I pulled her up on a few topics ps I been in the lifestyle since she was in dipers
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae in short term stupid
I think lav was getting emotional because she felt like she was losing what was basically her only female friend on the platform
GIVE ME MY NAME BACK!!!!!!!!
@@richardortiz7193looks like you two have to fight to the death for it😔
lol
none of them ever get me. yours did lol
Fuckkkk took me a while to understand this joke
Lav: Introspection and honesty are synonymous
Everyone: no these are two different things
Lav: yeah i know
That's an unfair assessment i think, iirc she says "yea i realize what they meant yea i realize it now " or something. I don't remember exactly but it sounded like somethign she immediately corrected.
"My personal dictionary was wrong"
Motherfucker there's no such thing as a "personal dictionary", that defeats the entire point of a fucking DICTIONARY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@wren4077 this is true, youre right. I thought she was grasping at straws but it kept falling through because brittany and the other girl were calling her out for all the bs she claimed. But it was just a big cope of an excuse for her behaviour and reactions to things.
Ironically, this whole thing started after Destiny called her a "dumb-b****" because she wouldn't acknowledge that lying implies intent. She says dumb things and won't take accountability for them.
When you're so tired of everyone treating you like an idiot, you forget the importance of subtlety.
@@midas2030 so destiny being based set off a chain of events that lead us to this exact moment in time? He is getting closer to achieving Godhood by the second.
Hearing Destiny say that it was a mistake teaching her entire generation psych terms made watching this whole hour worth it. FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT
Destiny himself uses them incorrectly all the fucking time.
@@tgreetsy1201 erm proof ?
@@tgreetsy1201 he probably does but that shit was still true af lol
Trueee. Basically looking for any term that can be used to say "it's not my fault" without saying it
YES! Thank you!
Destiny had a really good point when he contextualized why this entire conversation was happening: It starts with him expressing how upset he was toward her comments to his stream. She then takes it upon herself to jump into his discord and have a conversation with him in the middle of this, and then proceeds to make the whole conversation about herself and her feelings. The problem is, he never asked. He didn't care why she was saying what she said, or what she was feeling, or what she meant. He didn't reach out to her. He didn't demand any kind of change in feeling or behavior from her. All he did was express his opinion and feelings about the things that he watched her say. Literally nothing she said in this conversation was even remotely relevant to him. The only reason she came on stream was because she knew she was going to look bad to his audience, and she felt the need to stop his perspective from being heard unchallenged.
Quit teasing Destiny! His gloves are perfectly normal adult size. Peace be upon him
Adult small, let's not skimp on specifics
@@ember4303
Adult Xtra-small. Bespoke; delicately woven fabric. For the dainty hands of a diminutive debater. Whose feminine name is embroidered upon them.
@@ember4303 no they're micky mouse glove silly
he accidentally wore Vaush-sized gloves.
if the gloves doenst fit, you gotta acquit.
When Destiny stops playing video games in a conversation you know it’s about to get spooky. When he breaks out the Notepad, we have ourselves a full on horror film coming.
My favorite is still MS Paint
@@TheOsamaBahama MS Paint is where real men are made.
@@TheOsamaBahama MS Paint is such a bad tool, every time he whips it out and draws a ven diagram or a parabolic curve, I'm like "why tf are you blowing my eyeballs out for something this simple"
@OP
*cue One Winged Angel
@@JackPorter You would be surprised how little math people retain after high school. Parabolas are considered to be a little advanced, so you have to draw a diagram.
when Destiny said he wanted to kill himself I laughed so hard, he must've finally realized he has a female name, poor guy.
Lav is… the embodiment of someone I would never want to date in my life. Can’t apologize, but when she does it’s insincere. Doesn’t take responsibility for anything and deflects. Gaslights. Interrupts. She’s a putrid human being. Gets upset when you act the way she does towards you. It’s not hard to stop and say “I’ve said these things and I recognize how they can affect people and moving forward I will do x,y,z differently.”
Forget just dating I wouldnt want her as friend or even an acquaintance. She is literally the most toxic type of person and completely unapologetic about it. Dont forget about all the projection she does too
Haha, you two will date someone like her and will also act like her. This is all part of young people growing up and making the older folks cringe
@@dudeorduuude5211 i don't think people like lav grow out of it at any point this isn't an age thing
Pretty girls get away with this behavior a lot.
You described a lot women's behavior
The Lav guide to taking accountability:
"Ok but I was emotional"
"Ok but that was my anxious attachment style"
"Ok but we have mommy issues"
"Ok but that was just what I was feeling"
"Ok but I'm new to this space"
"Ok but I had to protect myself"
(pick at least 3 per fuck up)
I'll take a double order of the whole menu!
You forgot the old mentally ill excuse or I'm I'm trying new meds.
Starts every other sentence with “I feel”, but never mentions an actual emotion.
@@Solkard I feel like you're making that up to gaslight me, *abuser.*
You hit it right on the head. 👍
Why is Lav's definition of taking accountability "I may have done some things not perfectly but it's your fault for being bad and mean" and why is Max's definition of empathy "I acknowledge your feelings but they're wrong and I only care about what I feel"? Destiny's orbiters are legitimately living in alternate dimensions I guess idk
OMG. Literally perfect description of what Max thinks empathy is LMAO
Why am I listening to dumb women arguing about bullshit? I miss nick.
Level 5 take!
Its because they dont really have empathy and if they do, they just dont take it into account. If you notice in these conversations they always seem to boil down to, "well you're right, but you are making me feel bad 😥". They dont care about anyones feelings but their own.
@@cake1159 are you "the" cake :o
Destiny never ceases to amaze me on how grounded he is when facing the most manipulative opponents
I get the feeling he's had a loooooot of experience
if he was "grounded" he would stop letting his pee pee get him into these situations with the most annoying, immature and dramatic people on planet earth.
"Knowing that I can't interact with you in that way, I'm going to get my feelings hurt because I can't control you" - Lav
she just told us everything we need to know about her and explained why her and Max get along so well. Destiny sees through all of their manipulative bull shit, and they hate it.
People like Lav are the most abusive partners in any relationship ever. The blatant self victimization, gas-lighting, abuse of psych terms, and baby talk is the most fucking disgusting, vile, and triggering thing I have ever listened to in my life. I am legitimately getting PTSD to a relationship I have never had.
It's crazy, maybe it's my inner demon incel, but the vast majority of relationships I've had with women have had this archetype. To cry or just say "yeah you're right my bad sorry" to get the conversation over with, and then immediately go back to doing what you did before. The constant like "oh you don't understand why I did this, or why I feel like this" when I understand completely. The talking in a condescending and belittling tone when they are the one who is wrong. It's fucking infuriating. Unironically far more abusive than people give credit for.
Can you imagine living with someone like that and not have a choice to leave? The world you live in would look so much different, and you be always wandering “why can’t I get anything right?”.
Oh god and when you do have it .... I guess I was lucky I had the early 2000s version before it was well defined on the internet w/ the playbook already laid out by so many online for all these types of ppl to see. My ex crossed some lines that those more skilled at the art today don't do and I was able to pull my head out of my ass and see what was really going on before I did something really stupid like marry her.
Yeah it must be so exhausting to be on the other end of it
"Abuse of psych terms... I am *legitimately* getting PTSD to a relationship I *have never had.* "
Pot, meet kettle.
Destiny took his gloves off, but now his hands are cold…
Her*
Baby hands
Ok that got me lmao. Peace be upon him!
I hate that i know that meme
May the bridges burned light the way....and warm our fingies
My mother does this sh*t to me. Drives me nuts. (Well, she used to. We had a huge fight, I think I shocked her with how loud and mercilessly direct I got after 30+ years of me being pretty docile, and things haven't been nearly as bad since.) The biggest issue was she's a licensed psychologist so her arsenal of gaslighting was full of real zingers it took me years to unravel.
EDIT: Worst thing you can do with a gaslighter is try to explain how they're gaslighting you. If they're doing it, they know they're doing it. You never try to reason with them, you only tell them to knock it off. Anything else will cause them to look for excuses. They'll always end up with a pile of excuses, lies and half-truths a mile deep for each and every counter-argument you make. Just call them out and resist the urge to take the bait and argue.
59:45 - Destiny: “Can you please pet that cat next to you.”
Oh, Destiny: so rough around the edges and yet so pure of heart. Gotta love him.
Destiny's ability to NOT disconnect a call is astoundingly impressive.
The patience is outstanding.
On god
Fr fr no 🧢 on a biiiiig stack homie
Frfr on my momma no kizzy
he was def thinking this dumpster fire was stacks of easy content.
tbf it's probably not a good trait. Maybe it works for him, but 98% probably shouldn't even attempt to be like this.
I don't know why Steve doesn't love Her. She is literally his favorite thing: Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.
you mean the internet.
@@wvance0316 She's the Internet?
Everything All At Once All At The Same Time Everywhere
@@LunaTulpa
Omni-present Lav...
I don't know how Steve (or anyone, for that matter) enjoys that movie. I saw it as a terrible Matrix knockoff with cringey, unfunny jokes/concepts (hot dog fingers, everything bagel, etc) sprinkled in.
The near 2 and a half hour movie of hopping between parallel universes and fights ends with a preachy message of acceptance, which we really needed, because that has never, ever been done before.
That was an unbelievably perfect end to the video, i almost cried a little
'Can you please pet that cat next to you ' watching this whole drama dialogue was worth it for that moment
Actually got chills in this conversation, when Steven defended his own emotional well being and stood up for himself, asking: "What about MY feelings?" Absolutely chilling, I have not been moved this close to tears since I watched Steven talking about how the last 45 minutes of Everything Everywhere All At Once made him cry. Utterly tearjerking and incredible. Almost as much as the emotional depth he showed when the Flooded City dream occurred. Destiny has emotions just the same as any other woman
Calm down lol
timestamp?
I'm not a regular here but yal be wildin in this comment section 💀 🤣 😂
I nearly started crying after 45 minutes in the PREVIEW.
It's honestly wonderful to see these hardcore debaters and dramatubers to actually show REAL emotion. And it works out best with Destiny because he's having REAL conversations with all kinds of people.
SOYBOY LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the confrontation everyone has been waiting for
Wut why?
@@LeonShuriken lol
Just to have the gloves put back on right after this.
Who the fuck are these people destiny brings on? Twitch is such a cesspit of annoyingly immature people it’s insane
Who even are these people?
Watching this with some hindsight is incredible
Dang, seeing Destiny and Lav talk and all the words and wisdom Destiny gave Lav and all the stubbornness and naivety Lav had towards that wisdom really opened up my eyes on how stubborn and naive I am too. Damn. I appreciate your video, now I know what I need to work on.
Just learned that I have actually been dealing with a narcissistic person so ig what I thought originally doesn't apply to me. But I'm still noticing some of the narcissistic traits I have picked up and need to change them.
I've seen this so many times.
"It's understandable that you're mad with me for what I did but also I'm not entirely at fault for being that way and so you shouldn't really be mad with me and I admitted that I fucked up so stop being mad also let me explain why I did what I do so in the end I really didn't fuck up".
This is literally just gaslighting.
This is exactly it. I'm guessing she's never really gotten pushback for it so she probably does not recognize her own behavior. she likely sees herself as trying to do the right thing in this conversation. Admitting she fucked up on super small things with excuses and trying to rewrite history with her "feelings". she wants to minimize and rewrite what she has done while placating and gaslighting until Destiny tells her things are ok and that she fucked up but its not that bad or, It wasn't her fault or that she was right actually somehow because of her perspective. it takes a bit of growing up to know when to just say "I fully fucked up and i was in the wrong. there isn't an excuse, i understand why you are mad and that i may have destroyed the friendship"
@@semimad100 This is extra clear from 50:30 on.
It's fucking wild, people like this think "responsibility" is something you take to avoid backlash.
YUP!!!! Thought the same thing, cause that whole sentence is filled with contradictions in order to confuse the fuck out of the person she's talking to.
You have a great read on this behavior and describe it very thoroughly. However, it is not gaslighting. We really need to rein in that term and start making sure it’s used accurately again. Wait, is this reply going to be considered gaslighting about gaslighting?
Seems like Lav's entire personality is shaped by the fact she's a pretty white girl: she's not used to getting any pushback so she just runs her mouth all the time and has no understanding of accountability. You can almost see how smooth her brain is from never having to think about her choice of words beyond a shotgun blast that's vaguely in the right direction of what she feels.
Yes
Ya and her being a brat
She's Jew not White
Add to that that she gets her entire self worth from the attention of men
I want to be charitable to her and say this comment thread is gross, but... yeah. Yeah this is all facts
That semi-conclusion was so satisfying, "crying didn't get me anything? WTF?" loved it.
50:53 money shot
Lav: says aggressive overly emotionally charged shit in stream to someone. Expects people to just deal with it.
Also Lav: gets super sad and in her feels when people call her out for her dumb shit takes and critique her.
Lav is that girl in your class that was super nice in person to you but shit talked you behind your back to ruin your reputation. And when you confront her about it, she bursts out in tears in front of everybody to make you look even worse.
@@sargeteg5927 oh yeah she totally is bro, fucking good one, zinger. i mean u really hit the nail on the head there. u r so knowledgeable and well spoken
@@leahmeriwether2995 i mean it does kinda describe how she acted in this situation
mad and bad
@@leahmeriwether2995 lol found the girl who talks shit about people behind their back. You done got called out sis.
This still feels like he's wearing kids gloves. She is utterly removed from accountability in her own head. Putting yourself forward leads to push back and any time Lav receives even a nudge she starts talking about the way it makes her feel.
“Steven i’m so sad, it hurts me Steven, I wanna be your friend Steven, Steven plis Steven.....Steven, i'm so emotional Steven teeheehee UwU”
What is about Steven and women begging him to understand them.
Has he figured out the secret code?
She is absolutely insufferable, and really dumb - very hard to listen to. It's like arguing with a 14 year old
@@More_Row Not a secret code, just a result of winning an argument with a specific kind of person
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I really like destiny doing voices and matching tonal energy. It's really funny to hear him do it to other people
I think Destiny called it when he pointed out that Lav customizes what she says to enhance her connection with whomever she is talking to, instead of looking inward and representing the truth, regardless of how it rubs up against others. This comes from being a people pleaser and being high in openness and agreeability. People like this end up learning the hard way what it means to develop integrity. The truth requires boundaries and I don't think she has developed those. Trying to be everything to everyone means you don't know who you are or you are afraid to be who you are because it means really putting yourself on the line. That is what true vulnerability is. You could almost appreciate a person more who unapologetically shit talks about other people and doesn't tip toe around it. But you can't shit talk someone and then rewrite history after the fact "with hindsight". Your hindsight about what your inner process was when you shit talked the person is utterly irrelevant to the accountable apology they need from you now.
When her thought process is probed, it tries to overcompensate by taking on various testable positions, which seem reasonable to Lav but to the aggrieved person seems dodgy. It's not about finding the "best fit" explanation or what happened, it's about acknowledging that you hurt somebody, that it was fucked up, and maybe even describing some actionable things you will do to avoid it in the future. The information on how to do this comes from empathy. You feel another person's suffering due to what you said/did and act from that. It's not an airy fairy intellectual exercise. Fundamentally, she doesn't want to see herself painted as a bad person, nobody does -- but personal development requires having your flaws pointed out. Where is the humility?
She's making this complicated only because she is trying so hard to shoehorn a certain conclusion into the facts, whereas Destiny just wants an accountable apology. So what did we learn from this? That Lav has a constructionist view of accountability and probably doesn't know who she is. It's why she can't reckon with someone like Destiny who just calls a spade a spade. Maybe the difference is simply maturity.
Her crying was real, but the crying is just what happens when you commit to the lie so hard that your frustration of not being able to win turns into genuine tears.
my slaves are being taken away 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@cheatyhotbeef2636 ?
That's a nice way of saying these are crocodile tears
@@amin29202 crocodile tears are fake tears. what he is saying is not that she is fake crying but crying for the wrong reason.
@@spankbuda7466 Where is the contradiction?
You know Destiny is serious when he pauses Factorio and starts taking notes whilst deeply analyzing every db coming from his headphones.
This is an insane conversation to have with someone that you really don’t need to talk to…
I literally feel like I watched someone lose a friend in real time because the friend wouldn't change for the better. I almost cried when he brought out the game at the end just to calm down and get back to his headspace. God that was hard
Lav's ULT won't put out the bridge fire.
Nice one
Let it fucking burn.
This conversation is eye opening to me, In arguments I have I always apologize or try to say I'm emotional. I can see how that comes across when someone else is doing it. Thank you for this conversation
I used to have the same problem! I would apologize but provide excuses for my actions. I have realized however, that if you are truly sorry, there should be no "but" at the end of your apology.
Being good at apologies is actually a deceptively hard skill to learn, one that I myself have only just learned to master, so dont feel too bad about doing shit like that. Its natural to want to cope and explain how some aspect of your actions werent your fault, or how you were also a victim of your actions. It pays to think through an apology before you give it. Dont apologise whilst still in the heat of emotion or guilt. Give the other person time to cool off, genuinely think about the things you did, how that affected the person and what you can do to make it better going forward. Prepare how you are going to communicate this to the other person. If you need to write it down, do so. Dont be afraid that it will make you seem fake. It shows that you considered the nature of your mistake carefully. Then just move off the topic. Dont pressure someone to forgive you even if you felt like you gave a really good and sincere apology. Thats where I used to go wrong. Give the person room to breathe and come back when theyre ready. If you consider the person's feelings in all areas of your apology, then you will avoid making excuses.
@@ashleycabrera24 Correct!
It's a hard line to tether in relationships, where your discribing yourself while not minimizing your own personal blame in the situation. More or less reframing yourself as the victem. I guess it does ultimately come down to relationship based expectations and once you expect more from the other person then accepted it becomes very morely grey.
Is this a documented case of someone introspecting and having a realization about themselves? Woah.
I hope you are happy Destiny.
Epically funny ad moment on CZcams for me just now.
I was at the part where Destiny said tell me how you’re feeling right now , go.
Then an ad plays and immediately I hear “it takes two to make a thing go riiiiggghhht”
Timing was fantastic 😂
>Destiny finally takes gloves off
But what if his hands get cold
That's why he's burning the bridge
Wait I heard there was no stigma around wearing gloves, why does he feel the need to take them off now?
As a man, I would never let a girls hands get cold.
@@Other_Jeremy xD
It is actually impressive how she could not take full accountability for a single thing she said or did without making some sort of excuse. Truly impressive lol
She’s got the Nimble feat which lets her turn any incoming hits into mere glancing blows. Top tier build shit
@@haydens5321 Lol "Charisma? Won't be needing that!"
no she called them liars because she didn't like their attitudes which she thought came across as dishonest despite all evidence pointing to the contrary and she thought her not liking their attitudes was synonymous with lying,which she just realized 5 seconds ago isn't how it works. so she doesn't think that.
Women☕️
Reminds me of my mom
That little part towards the end where she desperately says " pay attention to me" was very emblematic of her whole time in the Debate sphere
Much love from Kazakhstan.
*Steven forcefully calling out hypocrisy*
*Cat jumps on table*
"Please pet that cat next to you."
♥️
You gotta be kitten me
@@BlackMita I'm catsolutely serious.
59:45
Destiny, do you love cat people.
Steven is a Catorio streamer building optimal catories.
While he took the kid gloves off, it felt like he reached under the desk to put the dad gloves on. A lot of the end really felt like a father trying to make sure that his child fully understands the consequences of her actions, the route that lead to the bad decisions, and how to better navigate around the pitfalls in the future. It's not about being sorry, it's not about admitting fault, it's about truly learning and growing.
💯
Facts bro it's so embarrassing
The question is whether she learned anything or if she only takes away that Destiny is a meanie who wouldn't let her whine and hear her out.
I probably agree with Steven here but I didn’t even remotely get that impression. It didn’t seem at all like Steven was like “it’s not about admitting fault, it’s about truly learning and growing”. In fact Steven’s main thing was that she wanted her to admit fault, and when she did, Steven was saying that she’s admiring fault now but she wasn’t saying this before or that she isn’t admitting fault in the right way and king of beating her over the head with it. I agree with Steven’s overarching point, but Steven’s point clearly was about admitting fault and explaining to her the different ways in which she is wrong.
@@sargeteg5927 The latter as proven by her crying at the end.
The reason I subscribed to Destiny is stuff like this. The patience. Fuck I couldn't put up with this kid for more than five minutes.
im glad that everything resolved and everyone is in a chill place playing factorio
Something Lav needs to understand is: just because you apologized doesn't mean you have the right to forgiveness. Forgiveness comes from another person - and they can refuse to grant it.
In addition to a verbal apology, I believe you must also show genuine remorse, refrain from committing the same act in the future, and take steps to repair the damage you have done. I haven't followed Lav closely, but it sounds like she has only done a verbal apology and showed a little bit of remorse.
Even taking every possible step, however, does not guarantee forgiveness.
okay but what the fuq are u talking about, she wasnt asking to be forgiven, she just wans't admitting she messed up, instead she said it was her emotions or this or that, that was destiny's whole point.
Changing your behavior is more important than apologizing.
How sorry can you be if you keep doing it?
@@BlooCollaGal I agree.
@@dddaaa6965 She admitted she messed up. She just acted like it was no big deal.
Winter is coming, Destiny needs to burn some bridges to keep him warm.
It's my 1st time seeing a girl get this emotional and open up about her feelings, her eyes were tearing up, I didn't think simple words can hurt her.
also lav was really mean to her the whole time
Lol you had me in the first half!
Good rendition of the meme
She's very annoying, but somehow Destiny finds her schizo style of conversation mixed with manipulation challenging, even though she got him triggered and that's a rare thing these days for Destiny. I think he's willing to compromise because it's some sort of debate brain gymnastics training session for him.
For her it's all an aesthetics game. She doesn't have any real positions, just juggles to the first thing that will make her appear stronger, dominant, in control. That's her only consistent thing and she even said that in their first interactions, it also explains her frustration with Chaeiry. They play the same game, but Chaeiry it's a little more calculated. She was so quick to unmask Chaeiry's accusations, they know they play the same boring game and call each other on it.
It was amazing at the end, her manipulation tactics are so engrained, instinctual, she can't stop doing them even when she wants to be real and take accountability. She almost cried not because she cares, she got frustrated by her incapacity to stop the manipulation and emulate some empathy, she can't help but use manipulation as a way out of any situation, funny but sad at the same time.
Maybe the obsession with this game of always seeming you are right and strong it's a borderline trait. Brittany Simons is also borderline and very similar to her, but fakes consistency better, her stance switches are also very quick but more subtle so they could temporarily seem to be mapped on reality, that's why she gets away with it before you can call out her bllsht. If you do call her out, she will just play around and pivot around the subject until you get bored, frustrated, or make you seem crzy.
It seems like by default these people feel so empty inside that they compulsively have the urge to refill their sense of self to the point of delusion. It doesn't matter what is right or wrong, they are always in need of an ego boost. They know it's all fake and they still do it.
That's why we find these people annoying, for a normal person that's mind boggling and makes no sense. Their game becomes obvious, but they still continue to play into delusion. A neurotypical may sometimes play this game but mostly for fun and stops when things get real, but a borderline narcissist will never stop, they may rarely pretend to concede in a condescending way at key moments just to feed on your frustration.
Maybe online they are fun to watch, but in real life they are like vampires, they drain you because you are interacting with them in good faith and they are just playing their self centred validation game that doesn't have much to do with reality, you can't have conflict resolution because they will always try to convince you it's your fault, you just have to avoid or minimise interaction with them and move on.
Well she says real stuff there though... Destiny struggles interpersonally
Why Destiny keeps debating with a wall?
The wall has nudes.
becuz walls can crumble
@@VA-gu1jq (space)
@@VA-gu1jq zherka was right
I love it when two women fight intellectually.
Peak comedy....🤦
Okay I appreciate the joke, but Destiny is actually handling her how a man should; not putting up with her shit and correcting her whenever she tries to pull out something shady or dishonest.
If he wanted to, he could probably smash, but I'd advise against it because this girl is mad as a hatter.
@@stupidanon5941 one thing you learn is you dont stick your meat in crazy, but men always fall for it cuz its the best.
@@iplayfoofee3547 I've come close a couple times, but I've not yet succumbed.
@@notmyr3lname538 You're a weird comment.
But seriously. . .
"and the argument Lav makes about destiny's community is spot on tbh"
I wouldn't know. I actually don't have any idea what any of this stuff is about, and I don't care. I barely pay attention to Destiny at all, but I have a fine-tuned BS detector, and I know BPD when I see it, because I've dealt with it before. Frankly, I'd be surprised if she was right about Destiny's community, given he's a progressive (I do know that much about him) and I'm pretty sure if I started expressing my actual opinions here, which lean right-of-center, I'd straight-up be banned, _after_ being accused of being a groyper and a misogynist. . . which, to be fair, that second accusation is definitely true of me, but it's not like I don't have my reasons for that, most of which involve knowing how to read and having access to statistics, and personal experience. I'm only even commenting on this video in the first place because CZcams put it on my recommended list. I think they're trying to 'deradicalize' me, as if I haven't heard before the arguments Destiny commonly makes. I did watch the debate where Undead Chronic fucking _slaughtered_ him and Lauren Southern though, and that was good for a laugh.
The destiny we need 🙏❤️
New to destiny’s atmosphere, and just want to say highly entertaining .
Even if the bridge burns, Destiny is still a girls name
@@yamatasearayasu7885 Or you can take it as a D because destiny is a girl name.
@@BruceWaynesFactory amazin
I liked how Steven said he enjoys speaking with Lav because she is at a transitional age in her life. I respect how he is holding her accountable and pushing her to grow as an individual. Lav should step away from streaming for a few months and figure out what her goal is in these communities
based take
"Grow as an individual" all that goes out the window the day Steven decides to retire enitirely, and i mean that for everyone in the online debate space.
He is the only guy that hold them accountable and without him they will retire to fast food jobs/sex industry etc.
Nobody will watch these people on their own, enjoy it while it lasts.
I think she’s admitted that she loves this shit (drama) on a Chud Logic stream. The video I’m referencing is on Chud’s page about her backstabbing Destiny and lying about a stalker.
tru
@@kyleyjs true, can’t teach to those who dont wanna learn
I had no idea who either of these people were until I stumbled into this video through debate search suggestions. So this is quite interesting as I have no allegiance to anyone here and no history at all . I’m in the football niche space I have no idea about twitch streaming or videos games . Here are my conclusions
1- she needs counseling - the internet is not going to be healthy for her. Just from this conversation I know she’s too sensitive for this . She wants the good parts of being online but cannot handle the downside. It doesn’t work like that . She’s not built for it. At least not right now. That’s 100% clear. She’s all over the board . It’s a mess
2- after this debate I went to some others before coming back to comment because now I’m interested and wanted to see what other interactions in this space are like . Here’s some observations
-most of these people who debate this guy think they are debating but they aren’t . They are just saying what they think then googling 2 studies to support it . That’s not debating they just want to hear themselves speak . There’s little to no intellectual strategy . Very disappointed . This guy needs more worthy opponents
2- I come from the football space of CZcams and twitter. I take and give shit every day. It astounds me how soft and weak most these people are. It’s not a “debate” to say you think another guys tweet may have been taken the wrong way or was too harsh. That’s what half the debates are about . My response would be so what to everybody . Who cares if you don’t like my tweet? Who cares if it came off wrong to you and who cares if you disagree with me . Everybody in this space cares way too much what everyone else thinks and feels . The littlest micro aggressive tweets or Reddit posts or bans end up in 3 hour debates. It’s hilarious . You all take everything way, way too personally .
The funny part is, he can nearly always convince them to the point they entirely agree with his statement, they just wish he said it nicer on twitter. And his response is always the same, fuck no, I have no obligation to be nice.
And personally, independent of any obligation, people need a little school of hard knocks. If that comes in the form of mean tweets to immunize them slightly for the real world, so be it.
You´re the man Destiny! Hahahaha Tapping to the beat afterwards
The thing with Lav is that undue concern leads to contempt, and that's clearly happened with her and the community. It's unfortunate Lav and Destiny don't recognize that. Her expecting more leniency than others while often being one of the most caustic personalities on stream is ridiculous. She needs to learn to keep that same energy. She can't walk around big and bad and then crumble into tears the moment Destiny treats her how she's acting.
It’s funny you say that. He’s literally just giving her the same energy she puts out.
I’d have phrased it like
It’s okay to be undecided.
It’s kinda weird to be undecided and coming in at 100mph.
I think with her it’s like
Yknow when someone doesn’t know something so they just default to repeating what they think the smartest voice in the room says but they say it like 100 times more intense to compensate for not knowing?
That’s her.
And I think that shit is fine for theoretical concepts and ideas.
Cause like an idea is not gonna get offended.
When you start doing that to PEOPLE though that’s a bit Fucking weird.
Can you explain "undue concern leads to contempt" because that seems like a very interesting concept to me.
@@AliceinEntropy In an unequal relationship, that being the undue concern, you will always expect the same amount of investment you give, and because it is an unequal relationship you feel slighted when you don't recieve it even when it's your own fault for not being aware of the dynamic.
it's honestly amazing how much of a grave this girl can dig for herself.
Not everyone NEEDS a grave digger
Thank you for the introduction....that lil glimpse at what the rest of the video would be like saved me from watching anymore of it.
That little “pay attention to me” answers every question I had on her personality
D: The problem is you coming on and crucifying people over stuff that you change your mind on the next day!
Lav: I'm doing the Max thing where I feel like you're not taking care of my feelings but you shouldn't have to..
1 day later..
Max and Lav: It's literally abusive of you to not take care of our feelings.
Nope. I did not agree with max.
@@Sigmaphemoid I'm sorry but ur acting like a lil girl trying to b an adult I'm sorry love Steve aka destiny is in the right here
@@Sigmaphemoid gender I don't next vid conversations with trans hmmm love I'm sorry but like destiny he's right about u
Pay attention hey girl noooooooooooooo wrong choice of words u say that to me I just walk
Thanos wud teach lav how to a decent person through punishment
Women wear gloves because their HANDS ARE COLD
They’re an article of clothing that usually isn’t worn
But destiny took hers off
This sounds like a young lady that has been on favorable terms with everyone her whole life, but now that she’s getting older, she’s being held to a higher standard. She’s being treated like an adult that’s not loved unconditionally, and she doesn’t like it.
The perfect 900 at the end was just clutch
Love how level-headed Erudite is - we need more content creators like her and Steven that can see both sides of an issue/perspective.
Erudite and Aba are easily my favorite 2 people that [Insert girl's name here] interacts with. They actually feel like normal people.
@@gewy982 yep
i don't really watch erudite's content but every time she shows up i get excited. she's very level headed and is a damn good mediator.
I do like when shes around
@@gewy982 Agreed. Aba and Erudite are probably my 2 most favorite orbiters. I also like Brittany, but I can understand why she's not everyone cup of tea.
31:50 Finally Destiny tells Lav why she gets the shit she does. It's because of how she treats other people. Her obsession w/ Mr. Girl is also creepy. Also, if someone says they're empathetic, and try to tell you how you feel like Max and Lav do, RUN. These people will bring nothing of value in your lives and will wear you down.
Also, I'm a married woman who has watched Destiny's content for years. The audience has an issue with Lav not because she's a woman, it's because she makes no sense and acts like an entitled spoiled child.
We call them 'cluster b personality disorders,' includes things like general narcissism, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and so on.
Yeah, I get triggered hard as soon as someone starts explaining how the person they're talking to feels. It's condescending, manipulative, arrogant... I just lose my ability to remain at all objective or rational when people start doing that shit.
Dude this is awesome hahah
I'm a simple man, I see Lav in a video and I don't watch. The woman is insufferable.
I think this is comedy gold. The funny part is, all Destiny has to do is give her the Destiny, if you know what I mean, and she will calm right the fuck down and shut right the fuck up. I've dealt with women just like her before. He's already reeled her in by demonstrating he won't tolerate her shit. Now he's got her but for the asking.
I usually bail when I see her on stream, but I'm gonna watch this
Destiny nailed what the purpose of telling the other person how you're feeling is. It's to be nonconfrontational while communicating your experience. "I'm sad," not, "I feel like you're a total bitch." Quite emotionally astute. It's weird how uncommon this knowledge is but I blame the shitty comedic trope of the couple in therapy.
Yo. I really like Destiny. There is not a single person he talks to regularly that I can even stand for a second.
As a new viewer of this channel, are their any debates with certain people any of you could recommend I look for?
I didn’t even notice the voice thing till it was switched right after it was pointed out
The words "i'm sorry" have never meant less
Amen!
awesome!
The 900 at the end was muah *chef's kiss*
To me the saddest part of destiny being the literal deity that he is now is that because of the height he has reached, no matter who it is or what situation he can't really go fully unhinged and destroy someone, even now when he "takes off the kid gloves". It's even reinforced by destiny saying how he want's one week, just one where we all go sicko mode and just destroy everything, fully let loose just for the sake of doing it.
We will go all out, just this once
Who is "we?"
If we're thinking about the same quote, then it seems like his reasoning is to show what it'd be like if he was actually some sort of monster who tried to destroy people's lives or that uses his his fan base to mass harass people. So he wants to pick one person, for one week, and actually mobilize his fan base to destroy someone's life then at the end of the week pay them and apologize.
That way to show these people what him being a totally unrestrained monster actually looks like.
That would make me go from a semi-ironic Destiny fan to a completely unironic Destiny fan. Please, man with the girl's name, if you see this, embrace your hate, give in to the dark side, and make the whole drama-debatosphere soil their undies.
This is a very recent change, as of this year actually. Destiny has seen a lot of growth this year, but it's probably more a product of his newer more empathetic approach to conversations, not the other way around
Back when he was the unrivaled top dog in streaming politics he was a sadistic bloodhound
His views have changed regardless of his reach
I'm not sure why the Lav arc happened in the first place, glad to see the brainrot seemingly come to an end.
Finally!
Amazing
Luv has gotten a leniency to say whatever. She been the biggest shit stirrer on the platform on multiple times to trash talk other streamers. Destiny has possibly been too charitable to Luv tbh.
Enabled and platformed her until she started talking about him. Then he gets mad 😂classic steve
My boi said, “You’re using the manipulator voice when you get caught doing some dumb shit in a conversation or trying to AGAIN avoid responsibility” 🤯😂
Only speaking FACTS 😭
It's nice to see that when given the ability to broadcast to the whole world about anything, streamer culture has organically created The Real World.
35:53 she just basically said: tell me what I want to hear 😂
My favorite thing from this was the sudden stop to “Can you please let that cat”. 😂 .
the thing that erps me the most is how many times she interrupts, get extremely defensive when interrupted, rolls her eyes, and literally word vomits thinking she shouldn't be held accountable for what comes out
I agree with you. But technically the word is irks, not erps. DggL
@@DaveChappeleIsGod cmon thats advanced english and im just a small asian man
Call me an incel but many men will give their experiences and tell you that it’s a trait that unfortunately ALOT of women have.
I’ve seen many comments on this video of men even giving their experiences of relationships like these. Women aren’t taught to take accountability the same way men are.
@@lawrencelord9777 Because it's also a trait A LOT of men have. This is how 49,9% of humanity argues.
one of the better arcs
Her biggest problem is that she has no idea how her actions affect other people and then takes no accountability when anyone brings this up. She just says what she was trying to do rather than looking at what other people see by it. Hitler was “trying” to make Germany better. He’s still a terrible person who hurt millions.she needs to stop saying “I’m sorry I did that but I did it because…” you need to just say sorry and do better next time. The reason her apologies mean nothing is because her actions never change.
Destiny seemed legitimately bothered by the fact that she didn't pet the cat without instruction.
It is literally impossible for Lav to act in good faith. Will do anything except claim accountability and is experienced in the manipulation game. Just, wow.
Best part is shes not even manipulative in her own mind while being the most manipulative toxic person ever
Lmao the end of the stardust convo “bye, love ya, babe”
“Wai- what?”
😂
Guys, take notes. That mid-fight, "Tell me what I'm feeling." is an absolute combo breaker if shit is either looping or getting way off topic. Doing that, and following it up with asking if what you're feeling is real, and then making them do it to themselves gets results and moves things forward. If you're with a girl, this is an essential piece of tech that you need to understand, and we only got to witness this because women never want us to see the techniques they use against each other.
This is what you should do to emotionally manipulative people, period. Believe it or not men use these tactics too.
What I come away from this conversation with, is Lav is doing everything she "wasn't trying to do"... consistently.
Truly the greatest show on earth bravo ladies.
As someone just a few years older than Destiny, it's also very frustrating hearing people's vocabulary that sounds like it's straight out of the DSM-5. A whole generation so badly needs therapy that they all talk like strip mall therapists.
And it wouldn't be so bad if it was actual science but a lot of it originates in the universities. The pseudo-scientific shit like micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, fat phobia, and "my truth". People today have an entire vocabulary of victim language and it's gross.
I agree. I think this fact should be evidence for the "progressivism is taking over universities and having a bad cultural influence on young people" vs. "but it's just the universities, they're a niche part of society, it won't affect culture" debate.
This kind of language is so good at making people feel smarter and more introspective than they are. It's so attractive for young people.
53:35 You can see Steven catch it in real time just by watching his eyes lmao. She did the thing! Literally in a conversation where they talked about how she does this, she uses her Uno Reverse Card to ditch the old take at her convenience. "Yeah I've changed in the last week". I've never met someone with such extremely fluid takes and emotions. Maybe she would understand things like non-binary better if someone explained it in a way she would deeply understand: They feel about their gender the way you feel about literally anything you've ever said or felt in your entire life; they just don't have any attachment to it.
Teenage personality phases last longer than her stances on anything.
She literally might have BPD traits.
No wonder I’m getting trauma flashbacks
@@DeadpoolX9 don’t do this. We need to stop
I dated a girl that was basically Lav 2.0 and it honestly was the most mentally abusive relationship I’ve ever been in. Constant “im a victim” rhetoric, gaslighting constantly but then say that I was the one doing it, would cry if you pushed too hard against her blatantly wrong shit and then would turn around to do the most petty stuff but then act like she didn’t do or say it/ bring up some random stuff in the past to make a false equivalence.
Women like Lav are the reason why red pill men exist.
Redpill men realize that majority of them are like this. Some are better at hiding it.
@@YuRMoMiNHD Don’t agree. Men and women have their issues but people like Lav are a special breed and it’s not exclusive to women
Wrong. The exact qualities lav exhibits are also often exhibited by men 🤷♀️
@@thedawnhasbeengreeted3571 yeah and they’re probably the reason FDS women exist. They cause harm in romantic relationships causing the victims to be ready to toss out the entire gender, which is pretty fucked
I am pretty sure it's more about the age than gender or Biology.
Some people are like that at their 20s