‘Hong Kong is my home’: Expats explain why they’re staying put
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The implementation of the national security law (NSL) in Hong Kong has some members in the local expatriate community wondering whether it’s time to leave. But not everyone is ready to say goodbye to the city they call home. The Post’s Laura Westbrook speaks with three expats on why the NSL does not worry them.
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"I'm rich and privileged, I see no problem with the way things are."
Same as in any other country.
You think the Jan 6 rioters in the US Capitol were rich and privileged?
@@user-qw1er2ty3ui4o not sure what connection you are making but the insurrectionists were not *poor* by any measure. They travelled considerable distances to get to DC.
that means I don't care about the people of hong kong.
@@canto_v12
A bus ticket or tank of gas is wealth and privilege to you?
These expats are all well off or have a high income with a family here. Of course, they would not want to give up their lifestyle / luxuries in HK to start a new life all over again in another country. For the mostly working class population, living in HK is extremely challenging.
It would be great if we could see the perspectives of some younger expats who have been in HK for less than 5 years with a lower income.
They could ask me
@@johankhadka7157 Will you stay or leave?
@@thomaslau1214 I already left when the pandemic was in its early stages.
EXPAT? you mean immigrant?
I'd actually love to see a follow-up survey in 5, 10, 20-years time to see if their opinions have changed, especially as 2047 approaches.
If you think in UK they have more freedom in HK, that might slightly incorrect my friend, there are freedoms in HK that dont exist in UK, example : freedom of savely walking at night for women, freedom of not being randomly stabbed, freedom of having decent and clean transportation infrastructure.
Toilet paper in public toilets as well that’s not common in the uk
Try the same in NY and see what you would get.
no racial profiling, don't be so naive have been influences by all kinda media...
HK is immensely safer than London which itself is considerably safer than NYC.
@@sopdadope Those protesters/rioters don't "want" safety since they have no regard for it to begin with. They want "freedom," namely, the freedom from getting caught for riots and organising sedition and secession.
Little do they know that freedom from consequences is a myth.
Wait, did that architect just complained about working hours in Spain in comparison to HK? She must work for a decent company in HK.
Average work hour surveys are unreliable. So much hearsay especially for people who are salaried and not paid hourly. The official average for Hong Kong is 45 hours which is not that high. I typically work more than that here in the US.
Once the political issues are settled the Chinese government should crackdown on real estate monopolies in HK as I feel housing is a major reason for the problems HK is facing.
Real estate monopolies start from the rarity of land that was released by the current autonomous democratic government. The latest auction of land reached sky-high price.
🤦♂️ in a sense, the voters bring this upon themselves?
@@gemhunter616 They should reform the monopolies of the tycoons. Saying the voters bring this upon themselves is a tat misleading
@@signumxmagnum That sounds like a great plan. And there needs to be a way in which it tripples down to the bottom 50%. Otherwise the HK government just gets richer (which they already are)
Although I hate the ccp I agree with this. Why is there a monopoly between the property magnates and the gov? Both are criminal.
@@unvaccinatedAndPureBlood This has nothing to do with the CCP and was partly a problem inherited from the colonial days. Actually when CCP came to power, the then Chief executive of HK proposed to build X amount of new apartments in HK in X years. The CCP got swayed by the tycoons that they knew what would be best for HK and shot down the plan of the chief executive (probably they had in mind that they would not change things for 50 years). This was a mistake. So they got misled and the lack of affordable housing had partly caused the discontentment leading to the massive protests in 2019. However, it is not too late for the CCP to repair the housing issues and massively restructure housing in Hong Kong. It is something they have to do.
As someone that lives in Canada that goes back to Hong Kong every few years, the grass is not always greener on the other side (Canada). Increasing political, social, and crime issues are deteriorating the quality of life here in recent years. If i was already in Hong Kong and really know what it is really like in North America, I wouldnt leave.
Why call them expat? They are just white immigrants in Asia.
Just like Asian immigrants in western country
Why suddenly a white immigrant get a fancy title ‘expat’??
If a Asian entrepreneur or business guy living in or moving to US, 99.9% the time, people would see him as an immigrant. But a white man move to Asia to be a little English teacher and start a life, people call him ‘Expat’.
Why? Because Expat sounds way more fancier than being called immigrant, immigrant associate with poor, coloured disadvantage people, while Expat sounds more business, entrepreneurs, here to make big money rather than running away from something in your own country.
So tell me again, why this white guy lived in Hong Kong for 54 years, he’s still a Expat, and not an immigrant?
expat's are just people living in another country different to where they were born in. All immigrants are expats.
Then all Europeans in America are expats.
An expats is someone moving for work an immigrants is someone moving definitely in the country . Most of people in Europe are immigrants because they don’t have paper and they are not allowed to be here and they don’t come for work as first objective . It answer the questions ?
More pay better job position
I agree
Millions of Indian economic refugees would like to go to Hong Kong I can tell you that. Indians would go anywhere just to escape extreme levels of poverty and hardship in India
@JO-BE
Capitalism is the problem, this is why communist party central government must step in the take full control of Hong Kong and put in socialism NOW!
@@Anonymous------ that's why the oligarchs and NED have a hand in the riots and unrests.
@@Anonymous------ Yes we need socialism so that poverty can be spread globally.
@@harisadu8998
Most countries in the world are democracy, that is why most of the world is in poverty! Look at India, world's biggest democracy, half of its people are starving, don't have job and access to clean drinking water. Makes China, world's biggest socialist country, looks like a paradise in comparison to India.
@@harisadu8998 yeah, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians etc. very much like us and allies democracy (their b0m bing, regime change, invasion etc.)
Many westerners also apply to become Hongkong citizens in exchange.
Another great incentive is free medical for residents. A person can be resident after 5 years stay.
@Roz Henderson you did said "majority". Difficult to say what is your majority.
I had a reply form an expat on free medical in HK on another occasion. He is making use of HK free medical.
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You can’t be a HK citizen, HK isn’t a country
@@platoze Yes, you can. That's what it means to be a "Special Administrative Region". Part of China but not China itself.
Home is where the heart is. Not everyone likes the same thing.
One question, would these guys be willing to give up passports or is that the red line.
it is just money talk
Do you think, Singapore more freedom than Hong kong?? have you ever seen Singapore any strike or demo?? they control the media even stiffer ?? They just like China they want to make sure all people will get decent life ??!!
A laowai can never become Chinese by law!
@@paulmac8450 Not true. A few prominent white men have become Chinese citizens such as Mike Rowse, Allan Zeman and Paul Zimmerman.
They are migrants, not expats, with privilege. Will SCMP interview other migrants from SE Asia as well to give a more all-rounded picture?
Hello how are you doing
SCMP is just a tool of the propaganda of the CCP, why would they do that??
@@MrK-js3it Propaganda is a matter of perspective. How about apple daily?
"You have to wait for the mud to settle", that's Lao Tzu.
Some naive Hong Kongnese who emigrated to the UK are already regretting it and wanting to return to Hong Kong.
Some naive foreigners who emigrated to HK are already regretting it and wanting to return to their home country.
Ouh is it, why they're regretting it?
Any prove?
HK is no better either. The salary gap between the entry level work to that pf high level has big difference. One cannot rent even a 1 BHK apartment with menial job in HK. Plus the living conditions is very dilapidating as well. So compared to HK, in UK and many European and American nations if one is willing to work hard, one has the chance to lead a comfortable life.
@@jklok doubt it. If they're foreigners like an expat, they get nice salary, most likely rent is paid by their company too
''If you're a law-abiding citizen, I don't see where the fear is coming from.''
Being law-abiding in China includes not telling some truths including what happended on Tiananmensquare in 1989, not critizing the CCP's wrongdoing, such as the inplementation of one child policy, not expressing aversion about the government, like saying "I dislike Xijingping" on TV or newspaper.......
But for sure, although China press freedom index is ranked at the bottom of a list of 180 countries, it's still quite better than North Korea.
Know what one of my friends working in Beijing said about CCP turning Hong Kong into a mainland city? "We should have done that much earlier! What makes them having so many more privileges than us?"
Laws are whatever the ruling tyrants want to impose on the people. Trying to equate fundamental rights for citizes with authoritarian regimes characterized for the nonexistance of check and balances is a mistake. Let's remember slaves were also self abading citizens, hence not all laws abide by the principles of justice and liberty ....🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
So, if you're a person with resources, and means, then you have lottle to nothing to worry about.
A doctor, an architect, and a fine arts dealer. Yep. I'm sure they have absolutely no clue as to why the paupers, and commoners would be protesting.
Did they give up their foreign passport in exchange for a Hong Kong one?
"If you're a law abiding citizen, I don't see where the fear is coming from.".........Never a truer saying.
So you’re saying the HK protestors were all paupers, and harm will be caused to them because they are poor?
A lot of the protesters are affluent students, unemployed or marginally employed youth, etc. who have a lot of pent up frustration with the hyper-competitive society. Not necessarily poor people, but unhappy people who can easily be swayed by stirring ideology.
@@littledrummerboy9080 no no one in Hong Kong should need to do that it part of Hong Kong people’s basic rights
Hong Kong is safer than London by far. Anybody that says otherwise is either foolhardy or terribly ignorant.
True. My sister stayed in London for a short while before. She told me how the place she stayed was broken in and she was hiding upstairs with her friends.
@@r.a.8618 These democracy worshippers will find that voting don't stop crime, doesn't put food on the table or a roof over your head.
Pretty much all of East and Southeast Asia is safe for anyone.
My friend in HK told me..some of his friends..about 20 - 40 years old, migrated to uk and now they're jobless there. LOLS..
These foolish people are now beginning to understand that the grass only looks greener on the other side. It doesn't mean the grass is truly greener on the other side.
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That's what happens when the movement is leaderless and subject to the whims of disillusioned youth and fringe members of society. Can't make a living in the hometown, commit a crime, flee before the warrants get written, taste the freedom of a new country, oops, can't make it there either. Come back and hope the cops forgot about me.
My friend in HK told me..some of his friends..about 20 - 40 years old, migrated to uk and now they're working in ibanks. LOL
@@ColinsMatas Those are the people that other countries are interested in and were likely to move out of HK anyway. Your average protester/rioter would be a very different story. People are always moving in and out of HK, it's a place of transit for those with the means.
130,000 professionals have left HK since 2020, most in the financial services industry and half the foreign firms with offices in HK have said they are at least "considering" leaving HK.....
What kind freedom or liberty when your home is size of a coffin? There are lots of poor people. There only concern is how to survive the day!
Ouch! I was an expatriate in Rwanda immediately after the genocide, and then South Africa during post apartheid when violence was growing - but I was always profoundly aware there was a big big difference in the privledges I had while living there and the ability to up and leave!
I m so touched, thank you SCMP
They enjoy the colonists privilege. If they return back to their own country, they would lose that special feeling.
What you have said could describe a whole load of wealthy mainland Chinese living in HKG too. You think mainlanders don't feel superior here.
@@alvindurochermtl ic. I never thought of rich mainlanders moving to HK before. Interesting points. Thought most would go overseas.
I used to live in Hong Kong for over 30 years and it is such a safe and peaceful city. I only left because have to look after my Mom. I was so sad to see all the violence back in 2019. Alot of people are just so naive and have not seen how worse in other countries are and does not appreciate what they have. Hong Kong is not perfect and do have it's problems especially the housing which the govt should really resolve this.
Life was not completely great even then... There were a lot of murders too.... And uprising... Cos people does not know how to speak to each other. Or who owned what.
Well said, and all very genuine. thank you for sharing your views and experience.
HK is great for the rich, that's all there is to it
Yes very true.
Which cosmopolitan cities aren’t great for the rich???
@@billinsf88 Toronto
@@CanadaOtter why? the rich will have a better time in any cities than you or me.
@@CanadaOtter I have lived in HK. The great thing about HK is the varieties of different food from super cheap or super expensive, don’t need to be rich to eat well in HK. Many outdoor activities are free. Housing is expensive, but not much more than San Francisco my present home. HK is Great for regular folks also.
Why not? the place is a heaven for Expats. If you're white or a person with a foreign passport who speak fluent English, people treat you like a king in Hong Kong.
At least they can flee to their home countries one day if the situation is unbearable. But most of the Hongkongers don’t, that’s why we grab this chance.
I am perfectly fine with your choice. just make sure you don't come crawling back to Hong Kong.
HK is a decent place IF you have at least one property to live in, and a stable income at least enough for u and ur family to sustain on.
If u dont touch HK-China politices, u will be fine.
Of course, nowadays, its a privilege to have even one property to live in, let alone a stable income.
if most HK people can have a decent place to live in, like seen in singapore, many issues can be solved.
However, many Hk people are fighting for the same chance to get government housing against the newly immigrated Mainland Chinese citizens, competing for the small enough housing resources. Hence people are angry.
A majority of HK's land is empty and why?
@Ben Chan so millions of hong kongers who actually care for their basic right of freedom and actually care for their special city of HK,
actually really only want to go to the west? Yes sure
@Yakov Isaacs Dude, Israel is also doing it and British was also doing it in Australia and North America.
LOL
Move to UK then
@Ben Chan sure my friend only a few thousands although I have been there and saw the biggest sea of people I have seen in my life spread across few miles protesting.
I came back on new years eve and yet again happy people celebrating on the street became a huge chant of freedom for HK. Simple people who actually know what freedom is will fight for it !
The fact that all those Chinese are brainwashed so hardly against those people across the border is sick.
99% of them were as civil as they get
Fat salaries, free luxury apartments, Membership of Jockey Club Golf Club, Cricket Club etc....most would get all these perks when they leave !
The first guy is soo optimistic!
I don’t expect anything less in someone who make his living selling art to rich Chinese people.
@@jklok lol, selling "art" you're spot on 🤣😂👌
He is optimistic because he is a realist who understands that now mainland China is truly the ultimate government of Hong Kong although Hong Kong is still governed by the local people themselves. He is an optimist because he knows that as long as he doesn't try to meddle in the governmental matters of Hong Kong, the Chinese government will leave him alone and that he can live a relatively free and uninhibited life in Hong Kong which is the truth.
Yes he’s optimistic, that’s for sure. But also, he appears optimistic given the overly critical and pessimistic Western reporting of Hong Kong.
I really like that British lady that has lived over 50 years in Hong Kong. She reminds me of a disappearing generation of Westerners that was once numerous in the past. And that is, people who had an affinity for China and the Chinese people.
But as China rises, there is a growing population of Westerners that have a nationalistic attitude towards China and the Chinese people.
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Yeah when you have money and the white/foreign privilege, of course you can say all these.
That's exactly what I walked away with from this.
I agree to some extent, but those that leave are running away from this to another similar situation. HK is like many other cities around the world. There is a rich and poor divide. Instead of fighting against China, those that feel disillusioned should be rallying towards the HK government. The system has failed those that need housing and affordable housing. Many young people are getting mixed up between no hope with control from China. If this is true, then why has China become the second largest economy in such a short time? The Greater Bay Area was opened up for HKers to slowly seek their fortune and build their business and home there. Hong Kong is crowded, and this is the solution. The education system also needs an overhaul. More stringent measures are needed to monitor teachers that abuse their position.
Until you can't.
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@@borderless2223 This is correct. People are incorrectly correlating Hong Kong's stagnation with "Chinese influence." The fact is, Hong Kong's influence has been waning since China figured out how to grow its own industries without Hong Kong's help. The handover to China is just a convenient scapegoat.
Surely, no sane person should have expected Hong Kong's 1980s trade monopoly to last forever? What country would be happy with "making cheap goods for richer countries" for all eternity?
Totally agreed with the first gentleman - a true sane mind!
Agreed
Great interview! All three can leave Hong Kong any time but at least decide to stay for now. First one still find Hong Kong is a place to make big money, second one reflect that her opportunity is better in Hong Kong (this is probably true for most people in Hong Kong). Third one really like Hong Kong and talk the common sense. Just like vaccine, there are risk and benefit.
As long as Hong Kong still let you to leave then it is your choice. Now most Hong Kong people can go to UK, US and many other countries are making it easy for Hong Kong people to stay and work. It is better for Hong Kong if whoever want to leave - leave. You can not change the fact that Hong Kong is part of China, but you have your choices but do expect to start all over again when you head to other country.
I left a high-paid job in Hong Kong and started all over again in another country back in 80s. Never regret about it. Opportunities are everywhere but there are no free lunch.
As HongKonger's privileges of freedom of speech has tightened. Some residents are not used to it. I felt the same when Saigon had fallen in my teenage years. Communist implemented numerous restrictions to our life, thousands of boat people were fled the country in 1978. Freedom is priceless.
Some Hongkongers think their leaving would be a terrible lost to Hong Kong. I personally think it's a blessing for Hong Kong and China as a whole
Why? Them leaving is nothing but a loss.
Do u know how much the HK economy depends on them?
these people are obviously part of the hk community, losing them would only be a loss. hk is a cosmopolitan place, why would it want to lose residents who obviously like the city? china is a diverse country, and is part of what makes it interesting.
and you do realize that as a korean you'd also be an expat/immigrant in hk, right? you're being a little 🤏 unpleasant.
@KK Loo we were talking about foreigners in Hong Kong. Are you calling all foreigners terrorists?
I agree, hong kong is just too crowded. I just hope all of them will just leave faster.
I think so. Politics aside, I think it's extremely unhealthy to whine about everything done by Hong Kong and Chinese governments all day everyday.
I think these people should grasp the opportunity and leave. No need to be so negative about every aspect of life.
Thumbs up ...can't believe it...a SCMP video documenting accurate perspective of Hong Kong,...a narrative held by majority of people living in HK but rarely presented by media....made my weekend.
@Green Fog hi bot detector
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@Green Fog That's a pretty weak comeback. I'm a HK American and I celebrate the return of sanity to Hong Kong. Protest movement of 2019 literally fabricates its own victimhood and has none of my sympathy.
I think as the mood calms down people will quit the useless ideological struggle. Hong Kong has a lot of practical problems to solve, and "we used to be British" is an increasingly weak trump card that HK needs to stop playing.
Pipe down, fix the problems, and Beijing will give Hong Kong all the autonomy it needs.
Abuse that autonomy to play political games, and it will be taken away.
@Green Fog Ahhh, the random internet commenter trying to tell me who I am. Thanks, I was so confused!!
So what kind of riots were there in 1967? Curious as I want to learn more about the history of HK.
Many people who rioted were not happy with the HK government due to high unemployment. Many wanted Communism to come to HK. The British killed people in trying to control the riots.
It was stimulated by the Cultural Revolution going on across the border. Hong Kong was still dirt-poor in the 1960s. If you think today's people are vulnerable to questionable political ideologies, it was even worse back then. Anyway, there were violent riots and terrorism plots, and the British administration suppressed it with martial law-like emergency restrictions that curbed various human rights.
I wouldn't compare it with the 2019 unrest, though. Different era, different environment, different needs at the time.
Cultural Revolution and Grest Leap Forward Death Rate: 10,000,000-100,000,000
Bro... They are not middle class.
If i live in hong kong and have tens of apartment or house i wouldnt leave either
Of course they regard HK as their home since they better live than most of locals; if they weren't, they would be the same as Serpentza or Laowhy86.
you probably have no idea how much Serpentza earned in China... 🤭
@@chrisyip2983 But CIA paid more
@@chrisyip2983 They used to earn a lot in the past since english used to be a rare skill in China, however as the time goes by their skill is no longer rare and they can no longer live in a luxury life style like before.
@@songhanshan9843 Whatever as both of those you've mentioned lived well in China and they choose to left simply because they didn't feel safe up north.... By a way, I'm waiting SCMP to interview those 10000+ expats who left HK since the NSL in effect.
@@chrisyip2983 - if you believed these 2 , serp and lao, I have a big house for sales in USA for 2 dollars.
Well it's just a matter of time before clamp down of various kinds hits all segment of HK society, including these wealthier expats who now can't foresee any negative changes that will impact their way of life. Who wants to leave if your business isn't yet suffering, but that's far from the case with the large majority of HKers who don't have even a fraction of the wealth of these expats! It's ironic and sombring that native HKers with very little are the ones exiling while foreigners feel no threats!
Amen. Been living here for 17 years and I appreciate gratefully what this City has offered me.
Safety, stability, and everything else in my current life.
of course cuz you rich and your company pays for you
@@yomommastupid Nope. Not rich and my company does not pay for me, I freelance. Used to even live in a basement in Berkeley in California. HK has possibilities and opportunities if you are open enough and willing to try and work hard.
Most people have real jobs don't want to move unless their companies relocate. Or you are rich or wanted by the police.
This is NOT going to age well.
This is in fact the reality and I’m glad those idiots are moving aboard. It’s finally the turn for the people truly love this place to rebuild our City.
moving aboard or go back to usa?
when you have money you have mobility. these ex pats have jobs that pay well
*these people great and very brave I'm proud of them!* ⭐️
Mans is spitting facts, why worry about these laws when you’re a law abiding citizen. I understand the precedent it sets against 1 country 2 systems but I feel like it’s been blown out of proportion by the youth who have nothing to vent their anger out on 🤷♂️
Laws are whatever the ruling tyrants want to impose on the people. Trying to equate fundamental rights for citizes with authoritarian regimes characterized for the nonexistance of check and balances is a mistake. Let's remember slaves were also self abading citizens, hence not all laws abide by the principles of justice and liberty ....🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
The problem is when the so-called "laws" make up whatever laws they want, and target you accordingly. Governments can be very dangerous when they want to be.
yes well said. if you are a law abiding citizens what is there to worry as in any country. NSL doesn't change anything.
Laws are whatever the ruling tyrants want to impose on the people. Trying to equate fundamental rights for citizes with authoritarian regimes characterized for the nonexistance of check and balances is a mistake. Let's remember slaves were also self abading citizens, hence not all laws abide by the principles of justice and liberty ....🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
HK is still the same HK
it will be great as she has always been
Such a little amazing real story.
Cool story, I love it, thanks for sharing
Why would they go away? Would they be better in their country of origin? Maybe, but most probably not. They are having a wonderful life here. There is no point in going elsewhere.
I smell " Tax Evasion "
that is not true, NSL destroyed the riches in Hong Kong. All left already
1:07 Housing prices beg to differ
If you've lived in the city for 50 years,basically it's your home and it's very difficult to go back to your home country (revised cultural shock is terrible)
will go visit the gallery next time I am in HK
Unless your name is Jimmy Lai, you have nothing to fear in Hong Kong.
Jimmy Lai is OK, living in safe quarters. I hope he stays there for a long time.
The Expats have enjoyed a better life in Hong Kong. Otherwise, they all be gone a long time ago. Some have a real love for Hong Kong and its people, others just for the money and opportunity. Not all people are hypocrites and evils.
That music is way too loud
I have been to Hong Kong 3 times, I would go back to meet her 🥰
Of course they do not want to leave because they cannot part with their affordable domestic help . Also they can always leave if things get worse. Knowing you can matters a lot .
I like the lady's attitude to life. She sounds so positive and upbeat.
99.99% of Hong Kong people are staying in Chinese rule Hong Kong, they refuse to go to UK despite the UK government offers them money to move to UK.
HK became much better after the British colonial regime left it, but the recent violent destructions caused by CIA/MI6 funded street gangster make HK a terrible place to live. With the new National Laws implemented, HK is now getting back to peace and order. Only those who are against a peaceful and orderly HK are afraid because their criminal acts are held accountable by laws.
For anyone in HK not involves with criminal acts there is nothing to worry about, HK remains world's top city with most freedom.
Freedom doesn't tolerate criminal acts, fake news and hate speech.
It makes me mad that the first man knows about the financial difficulties without addressing that because of his status and ability to buy whatever's on the market, he's contributing to that issue.
Excellent video. I love Hong Kong.
I love HK so much so its my loved home. Do you ever hate your HOME?
Lovely art work behind Mark.
Hi
there are tens of thousands of HK people leaving HK after the NSL. But this is a population of 12 million, so it is not a large %. Also how many from HK apply to move to other countries annually before the NSL? If you remove this number from the number after NSL, you will see there is hardly any increase
To most expats, Hong Kong has always been a stepping stone to somewhere else. The NSL is not going to suddenly change that dynamic, although the protesters will try to tell you that Hong Kong is now a ghost town.
keywords "I have my dog here"
Don't run away. In the USA, the rich & educated have been leaving the "Rust Belt" Midwest states, moving out to California, Texas, and Florida. Cincinnati Public School District had 70% school kids in poverty.
Can I get a visa for mainland China from Hong Kong? I was able to get a work visa in Mainland from Hong Kong in 2018.
yes, provided you are already in Hk
@@dicky-duck6632 Unfortunately, I'm not in HK.
@@dicky-duck6632 However, if I went there now, then what?
@@donaldthomas7753 bio.visaforchina.org/HKG2_EN/ this is the place you apply for your Chinese visa in HK. If you are already in HK, it's much easier to get visa than when you are overseas. In writen, it might sound same requirements in documents and reasons when you are overseas, but in practice, it's much easier
@@dicky-duck6632 Thanks, D-D
Some HK people like SCMP continue to ask “if” and cry like a baby before anything has done to them.
You know, we call these kind of people as “green tea”.
Look at people in this video, you feel how HK change. You feel you decide you choose. Don’t ask “what if”.
Is SCMP also contemplating moving back to the UK because of HKSAR NSL?
Umm, no. Ask their editor-in-chief. He has a lot of choice words for those “protesters.”
I talked to one of my mainland friend about how the Chinese government is turning Hong kong into a mainland city.
My friend: "We should have done that much earlier! What makes them having so many more privileges than us?"
Hongkong is back, with a more peaceful future.
Enjoy youtube when you are still able to. Later you need a vpn
Housing affordability, economic inequalilty, plus the rapid rise of the mainland China, HK has become less revelant to China in term of trade and technology exception only financail market. Let's face it, HK is now the poor cousin of China, decades ago it was other way around. Younger HKer unlike their parents who has strong root in mainland China, they are searching for their own identities...
Because the central govt has been pushing HK to become a city specializing in financial & legal services, while SZ/DG specialize in technology and innovation. You can't blame HK for its lack of tech industry when the central govt dictates what roles Chinese cities should play.
@@twist777hz sure but HK is supposed to fix itself, I thought nobody wants China to fix HK. This is the paradox of HK.
"NSL does not worry them".
That because they aren't molotov throwers. A very important point in HK.
Reporters and Chief Ed. Of SCMP throwing "worded molotov" and should consider moving to Taiwan like BBC and Apple
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HK will finally integrate herself into china economy, but will be a better place in future due to low tax and open policy.
China does not have low taxes nor open economies. However Hong Kong has one of lowest tax and quite transparent (for now at least)!! until (as you said) integration into China ----- But what about the 50 years no change as promised by Deng XiaoPing?
@holly wood I disagree.. because the government wants to change the "basic law" - instead of waiting for 50 years.. the communists want to change it now. Hence common people riot.
@holly wood nope .. ccp did
@@Sophie-yy6tc : How much tax do you have to pay in the mainland ?.
@@MeiinUK I have never worked in the mainland (my expat friends paid) and it is a progressive tax rates. Hong Kong is just a flat rate of 15% or 16%. (personal tax)
Hope that Hong Kong will be wise and graceful about those who contributed and help build economy and communities and pay taxes for years opposite to places like Singapore that are expelling and blocking expats of stay there even after years of make a live there ...
please report the accounts that spamming this channel for many days already like IslamicKnowledge and AdikAxl.
Always do, but nowt been done as yet.
Indian trolls obviously
hopefully they are gone from this channel forever.
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Hong Kong is a fine place to live if you are apolitical, and you think the law is always right and always just.
Even if you do not think the law is always just, if you keep your mouth shut and stay out of governmental matters, Hong Kong is still a fine place to live.
furry rupert so it always is with tyrants.
@@PhryneMnesarete ....By the way, the law is made by the government just as the law is made by all the governments of all countries. Such that if you have the audacity to break the law of any country (Hong Kong included), then you must also be prepared to pay the price.
furry rupert and sometimes governments are tyrannical and cruel
@@PhryneMnesarete .......The Chinese government in enacting and enforcing the National Security Law upon THEIR province of Hong Kong is only wanting to restore back peace and stability to Hong Kong society. There is nothing cruel in doing that and it is the same thing that all countries of the world will do to establish peace in their country.
Not one of these people feel the pain of youngsters and have not protested once.
As a Hongkonger born and bred in HK whose nationality is Chinese, I can't wait to see the government limit the rights of those non-Chinese permanent residents, i.e. those who have foreign passports. Those foreign citizens should never have the rights to work in government organizations, participate in elections and be eligible to receive government subsidies. It's not fair. It's time to put things back to the way it should be. It's time for HK to take citizenship seriously.
I don't care how many 'expats' or immigrants call HK home. Rights between citizens and non-citizens should be clearly identified.
What about those born in HK ? Not everyone is Chinese there.
Some people are commenting here without understanding HK. All these so called expats, whites and non-Chinese have privilege living in HK city. Majority of the HK Chinese, were born here or not, have less privilege. All the supreme judges are non-Chinese and they are as white as snowman. Most of the higher positions with authority to make laws are occupied by non-Chinese. Most of them are Brits. Do you think UK handed HK over for nothing? Do you think the Brits are going build HK so Chinese can enjoy it. The answer is NO. They are going squeeze money out of HK as much as they can before 2047.
A Chinese person can become British. British law. A British person can never become Chinese. Chinese law.
@@wsmithe2209 How are British supreme judges going to squeeze money out of the HK economy ?
Another question:
What are the rights of half Chinese people or say an Indian born in HK? How do these race based laws work?
@@SerBallister - You misunderstood the statement. White judges are sitting there with high salaries until 2047. Judges are not going to squeeze money out of HK economy. Many big Brits businesses are going stay in HK until 2047, like banking, trading, airline (Swiss) and other import/exports big companies. That's where the money is going back to UK. Chinese/Indians are at basically the same level in HK society - running small business, like restaurants and so on. Some white people also do too but their privilege may not be at the level of before 1997. You don't need to guess, you can see when you walk around the city of HK.
BRAVO! Excellent explanation!
The HK national security law cannot even compare to the USA and UK national security law! Every country needs to have their national security law! The HK national security law will only bring stability and security to HK! In other words, NSL will help fight outside forces trying to destabilize HK by trying to radicalized simple minded HK people like what they did in Myanmar, Afghan, etc...
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USA National security law is toughest in the world, see how they caught independent journalist Julian Assange from UK , under security law they can ban anything they want whether it's muslim people from 8 nation of middle East or any companies.
Get rid of the background noise
By definition if you're an expat then this is not your home
And with cheap salaries of domestic helpers, live in helpers, one.of the luxury these expats enjoyed in HK
If you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to be afraid of....where have I heard this logic before?
I wouldn't have said it that way; it is a slightly ad-hominem argument. But if you're not a rioter or secessionist (things generally not legal in any country), you're fine. You can totally "protest for democracy"...but that is far from what the 2019 movement was doing.
Why worry when you are not a politician or racial.
Expats? 🗿
No pin for me
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Easy for the first two people interviewed to say that HK is still a great place to live, when at the drop of a hat they can move back to where they came from 🙄 They have the ultimate freedom that HKers are fighting for.
Yes exactly, than why haven't they left? Or maybe the protestors are misreading the situation?
The point is, they have the freedom but still have the confidence to stay in Hong Kong. To prove your point, they would need to actually leave.
How can you guys live in Hong Kong. I’m used to live in a detached house all of my life, no way I live in a high rise and crowded city like how.
This is part of Hong Kong's problem. Raw unregulated capitalism put all the housing in investor hands. Average people live in sh*tboxes and are forced into buses and trains like sardines. Grumpy, tired whiners grow into grumpy, tired whining parents and raise kids with terrible self esteem issues.
Then a sketchy movement selling an idea of "freedom" attracts the more marginalised kids and gives them a sense of belonging that they never had at home and in school. A few get nabbed for lobbing things at cops and they now have "proof of Communist oppression!!"
Capitalism starved Hong Kong of living space and it does bad things to the brain, and none of that is China's fault.
@@canto_v12 - These small living spaces for HK families were built back in colonial day. I had seen the living spaces way back before 1997 handover. Most of apartments were built inhumanely, toilet and shower were in the same corner.
@@wsmithe2209 Yes, and that dates back to the origins of public housing--hastily built to accommodate millions of refugees fleeing the war in mainland China. Public commodes, 10+ people per unit, etc. was very commonplace in the 1960s and 70s. My parents were no exception. FWIW, toilet and shower occupying the same space is very common in other Asian countries, not just Hong Kong.
Public housing is much nicer these days, but the square footage is still very small compared to other developed countries, and the supply of private housing is intentionally restricted to keep prices artificially high.
Still, it's daft to blame a government that left 24 years ago rather than dive in and actually fix it. This is neither Britain's nor China's fault now.
some may argue "he's rich, so he will stay", but which country does that not apply to? if you want to have a better life you need to work hard and smart, and Hong Kong hasn't lost that edge yet. We still have a vibrant economy with unemployment rate staying at 5.5%, which is not bad during COVID.
I have two expat superiors in my company (one American one British) and they both plan to stay put in HK. They are not ridiculously affluent but they do like it here. Thye both claim NSL has not affected their decision to stay because as long as the economy is feeding them, they won't have a problem.
Most people who are leaving ironically are the locals. Grass is always greener on the other side, I wish them luck in leaving, but when they start regretting once they get there, ima tell you "i told you so".
... you got it wrong. HKers could not applied for British citizenship. Even if they like to apply for citizenship, British govt did not offer British citizenship for those who (wishing) to apply. Instead pre-1997 HKers who are holders of BNO* passport are only provided with embassy services outside GB. *The true nature of BNO is that holders can not reside/work in BRITIAN Island. Instead they are allow visa free visitation. However, Boris govt make a policy attachment/exemption to allow HKer BNO holders (only HK BNOs) temporary residency, a pathway to permanent residency/citizenship to spite China. Note this new policy is not a permanent amendment to British legistration regarding citizenship for BNOs. Furthermore, HK BNOs arriving in Britain are not refugees. Thus they are not entitled to social aids, public housing, welfare or unemployment assistence. Meaning they have to survive on their own with whatever monies they brought with them.
How attractive are Singapore and Taiwan to HK people that intend to migrate?
Singapore is an equally safe and secure place to migrate to as well as a very well managed city and country to live in. The famous Chinese actress, Gong Li, is not just living in Singapore; she is also a Singapore citizen as well. To the surprise of many, Jet Li is also a Singapore citizen there while Jackie Chan is a permanent resident of Singapore. Also one of the co-founders of Facebook , Eduardo Saverin is also living there.
The protesters worship Taiwan as a haven of "freedom and democracy." But of the small number that have fled there, most of them struggle to make ends meet due to their lack of work experience. Many have congregated at dedicated dining establishments that Hong Kongers have established to harbour others who have fled Hong Kong.
This is the sad reality of Hong Kong's unrest--most of the rioters and assailants are disillusioned youth who are having trouble making ends meet in Hong Kong, and harboured illusions that they can make a living in a place with "freedom." Many interviewees admit that they are stuck in limbo--unable to find a place in Taiwan's community, and unable to return to Hong Kong for fear of prosecution for rioting and assault.
The more of these troublemakers that collaborate with foreign (mostly western) gov'ts leave, the better HK will be. Actually once all of these people get their British passports and realize their dream as true UK subjects, HK will truly belong to HK-ers.
Many will never get use to living in the uk and move back just like before 1997 many came back from Canada and Uk
@@sko1beer , you are correct. Or they can’t stand working like middle-class westerners and they will start businesses that specialize in trade with China. It’s happened so many times before.
@@richiesd1 Another prospect, the glass ceiling norm in western societies that invisibly and silently casting overhead on Asians in general; they'd be lucky enough to be able to work like the middle-class.
They are immigrants not expats
What I see here, even just in the title, is a lack of commitment.
If "Hong Kong is my home", then you are not an expat; you are an immigrant....
...And if one is an immigrant, it is best to integrate and be assimilated.
Other Hong Kongers do not have the option of "going back"...there is no "going back".
Home is here.
No matter at the end of horrendous game from Beijing, they will leave safely because they are expatriates. Now they still have interest and profits keeping them stayed, when it is nothing left let see what happens?
Dr Mackay has had a very interesting life.