Aragorn's Bow and Quiver from LOTR
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- I made Aragorn's quiver from LOTR and it has everything I need for my Ranger Kit. Versatile, adjustable, and easy to make.
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Fight on Kramer, The ancestors smile in your presence, I hope to one day see you achieve your dreams ✨
Thank you Mannulus!
One great way to have the benefits of both a hard, and soft quiver. Is to use the hard quiver, and insert a soft quiver inside it. It's how WETA did the quivers in the trilogy. They called it an "arrow sock," and is also what folds over to protect the fletchings. It really is a great system that combines the best of the soft, and hard quiver.
Yep! I figured that's at least what Aragon's was. Nice thing about my little prototype here is that I can easily just insert it into a hard shell later if I want to do that, or take it out if I just want the soft quiver
Very true! I've also seen where people have added parallel leather straps to the outside of a hard quiver, approximating molle webbing. Might be an easy way to attach the bow cover to the quiver
@@LivingAnachronism AragoRn (!!!!!!!!) 🤓🙃
@@gingerbaker_toad696 Aragon's use of the bow was well known in his fight with Ultraman / Godzilla ;)
"Welcome to the floor." 😆
Great setup, Kramer! That soft quiver is so cool!
I've seen historic Native American examples of bow kits just like this, one even made of mountain lion pelt. Very cool.
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One neat little trick for when costumes (be it cosplay or larp) have things that stick out far, is to play some "shoulders knees and toes" in preparation for wearing it and touch the tip of every sticky out bit to make sure you know how much space you take up. Almost as if you're callibrating yourself.
It is very useful when you're heading to a crowded event
Bow before the formless quiver!!
But seriously, a quiver that forms around your arrows to keep them from falling out is very useful in some scenarios. I love it
Cool side note: Aragorn's quiver seems to be a rigid design like you said, but with a cloth arrow bag stuffed inside. That allows the arrow bag to wrap over the top and also provides the benefits of both a soft and rigid quiver!
I would add a third small pouch holding extra bow strings and possibly a small fire making kit, tinder/flint/steel, and possibly some beeswax to rub down your bow strings. A friend of mine uses beeswax on his handmade bowstrings for his 40 lbs horse bow, he said it helps to protect them from moisture better.
EXCELLENT idea, I will see what I can cup up with!
Wonderful build! Beautiful and great utility! Keep up the great work Kramer
Thank you!
Am I the only one who thought the music of that played during "putting it together" was amazing?
Love this! Super slick
Thanks! Figured you'd like this one ;)
Nice timing. Wearing my ranger garb now. Irwindale Renn Fair day 1 starts in 1 hour!!
Have fun!!
What are the chances, eh?
Great build, very inspiring!
A few ideas that came to my mind while watching:
- you could use the spare leather at the bottom end as a compartment to hold a small bag with spare parts for your bow and/or arrows, like spare nocks, arrowheads, string, etc.
- you could get/make buckles from horn or bone, it would make a lot of sense from a poor Ranger's perspective and give your build an edge as well as an advantage.
- to prevent the top strap from sliding through your knot, you could add a small piece of branch or bone as a stopper. That way you wouldn't loose neither the adjusting capability nor your strap.
I love how positive all the comments are on your videos. You deserve it!
Love these videos showing not just the "how to make it" of a item build, but the thinking behind the design choices and practical functionality of it.
I have been exposed to deer skin and elk skin since I was a kid. When I discovered deer tan cow leather if felt really really close to elk skin just a tad heavier which impressed me greatly.
0:51 Finally, someone else who uses that technique to nock an arrow! I've always done it, and this might be the first time I've seen someone else thread the arrow between bow and string instead of just putting it on either side.
I do not see why backpacks of the fabric and leather variety would be considered historically inaccurate when it seems very easy to get the idea to add some straps to a sack that you would then stuff full of items and proceed to wear on your back.
Also thanks Kramer! You have helped me with the flexibility of my vocabulary, as I did not know that thongs had any other meaning than a particular kind of underwear. And the soft quiver, that was perhaps my favorite part of the video, as it revealed to me its neat utility and aesthetic.
To add to your knowledge of rarely needed vocab, thongs is also a word used in some countries for flip-flops. Dictionary says "a sandal held on the foot by a [rubber or plastic] thong (a strip, especially of leather or hide), fitting between the toes, and connected to a strap across the top or around the sides of the foot." 🩴
Bought some Mytholon pants and a tunic from Medieval Collectibles per your suggestion, and couldn’t be happier! Thanks!
I like how the talk about better audio and support avenues is a separate cut, in case the audio isnt good.
An outright piece of board at the end of the quiver for the arrows not to poke a hole through, maybe? And maybe its easier to start at the small hole and catch the strap through the quiver mouth, rather than fishing it out through a narrow slit?
Pretty sure another pro is when you run out of ammo you don't have a wooden tube strapped to your back willing to fly around, let us know how it goes ! Great build !
Yes, I definitely think that's a pro
Once you start moving to bodkin tipped arrows or even broadhead, you could get some scrap wool or cotton, maybe even make a baggie with the hole punched remnants and use that as cushioning in the base to help protect the structure leather and give the arrowheads something to sit inside of.
Excellent craftsmanship by the bowyer and yourself Kramer. The practicality is off the charts. Aragon would be proud.
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Just what i need to make
Thx kramer
Only thing that I can see is that you might want to make a second quiver for LARP arrows, just one with a larger section at the base of it due to the size of the safety heads that tend to be used and having a decent number of arrows available to you. It looks great for normal arrow types
It appears that Arragon's quiver is a soft quiver with a hard shell around the center. Look at the top and bottom. Those appear to be the same soft dark leather with a hard ox blood shell to protect the arrows from breakage in the field/allow for attaching the bow.
I really appreciate your sharing of how the function informed the form of this design!
I dont know much about bows or quivers but i know that i like that setup and it looks great on you, nice work 👍
Kramer, that is just beautiful! The versatility, simplicity and Ranger vibes that setup gives melds to an almost perfect system for your needs. I rather think that a making video would have been superfluous - it would have required another video (or make this one too long) and your explanation of how you designed it was as useful and interesting as the demonstration of its practicality. Superb video, and great videography too!
Thanks very much! I think I prefer doing video like this rather than the full build process unless it's absolutely necessary in order to understand. I want to provide enough visual information that people can watch a video and really understand how a thing works, but not lock them into thinking that they have to make it EXCATLY the way I did or it's wrong, and leave some room for modification, interpretation and creativity. Cuz that's essentially what I do anyway :)
This is probably one of my favorite videos from your Ranger series Kramer, dope looking bow and quiver!
Thank you Mitchel!
Wow, I've gotta make one of those soft quivers.
That demonstration really blew me away, with all the problems I've had with my hard quiver and arrows falling out constantly.
Very nice quiver. I'd say yours is much more accurate to the would be lotr rangers than what was depicted in the trilogy. Make no mistake 35 pounds is enough to kill an elk. You shoot human or orc with that with right tip it will poke through. Now you need to make a set of arrows to match the bow!
I definitely want to make some more arrows. I have a little bag filled with bodkin points just waiting to be fitted! It's mostly the fletching that I have to learn how to do
You're mistaken in your understanding of bows. This bow was described as 35# at 20in draw length. That is comparable to a 20# bow when sized up to a tall human shooting conventionally. My first bow at age 12 had more energy than this, and it would only be suitable for small game like Kramer said. Critters and birds, not deer and boar. Of course not an elk. The orcs in the Lord of the Rings were armored. In mail. There is a reason that Tolkien described Legolas' bow as a "great warbow". The Rangers of Ithilien used great bows of almost man-height. Aragorn was never mentioned to have a bow. He only carried the shards of Narsil, then Anduril, nothing else. Even the Uruk-Hai used yew bows of dimensions like those of Men.
Soft quivers are perfect for everything but barbed heads. I've found those can be problematic with barbs. But for bodkin war arrows and diamond hunting heads, MUCH easier to work with when moving a lot
That looks great, really clever way of putting it all together. Now I want to make one myself. I've been thinking of getting a Ranger bedroll from Grommets Leathercraft and then wrap my bow, and possibly arrows, into the bedroll itself. Not sure if that would work, though. But honestly, this looks great and you really captured the feel of something a Ranger in the wild would put together on their own. Great video and great build!
Thanks Linus! I think this would integrate very easily with a bedroll. if the bedroll is heavy, I might put it on first, and then put the quiver on top, so the heavier thing is supporting the lighter one.
I'm glade you got one. I was trying to make some short bows out of Osage last year. But I got a bad batch of staves. They all had problems I didn't want to pass on.
I will say though...while 35 pounds is a good draw wight....short bows like these can easily get up around 45 to 50
Hang a dagger and possibles bag on the strap, low in front, and have one piece to grab rushing out the door.
I am awestruck by this! I have always wanted to carry a bow in my kit, but never could figure out how. This gives me the inspiration to try and make one of my own! Thank you so much for sharing!
Every new build you do goes to the next level! I plan to start working on my kit soon and I really like the idea of the soft quiver!
I've seen bows like this in the 60 - 80 lbs range. I was amazed such a tiny bow could be so powerful, and in terms of a movie replica would probably be as powerful as Aragorn's short bow. Would love to get my hands on something like that.
Just as I was looking for inspiration for a bow kit that slings across the back! It seems like any time I’m working on my ranger build, you come out with a video that is exactly what I need. Just such good quality content. Keep it up, Kramer.
Well done Kramer! I really like that setup, both the efficiency and the cool adventurer asthetic.
I’d love to see you try your hand at making a matching set of crested arrows
Seeing you on Shadiversity brought me here. Very glad I found this channel.
I’m happy you like your bow, and that quiver is beautiful. It looks really functional too! I made my own quiver with an adjustable strap so I can switch it between a back and hip quiver. It takes a little bit, I have to take it off and adjust it and then put it back on. I’ve never seen anybody just slide the thing down to their hip. That’s so smart I can’t believe I never thought about it!
Thank you Joe! This bow is a joy! If you have a woven strap for the quiver, or cloth, you could even just slide it down and then pin it with a brooch or something to get the strap adjusted quickly.
Great video Man. Might have to try something like this myself.
Very nice, have been waiting for this. When I did saxon reenactment I had a linen back quiver with tablet weaving colalr to keep open, renactment arrows with large blunt ends are a pain, a lot of people had huge leather cylinder side quivers but you couldnt run with those as arrows would fall out, mine was very fast to shoot and no movement hnrance, i had top attached to strap of knapsack, and bottom held in place with thong to belt. 24" arrows shot very quickly from short ish bow shot from chest not cheek. We found manuscript evidence of saxon archer with back quiver from i think 10th century in The Bod, so it was done... Shot bows and back quovers done get enough love in european fantasy or renactment...
You can use a bunched up cloth at the bottom of the quiver to protect it from sharp arrows.
A lot of your problems with a soft quiver can be resolved (in a historically accurate manner) by attaching a wooden rod to the "arrow bag". It should be roughly the length of the quiver with the cuff folded and can be either external (bag tied to rod) or as I prefer, contained within its own pocket sewn along the seam. The carrying sling attaches to this rod, and the bow can be strapped to the rod, or a bow case can be attached to the rod rather than the arrow bag. I would suggest that you could try a wooden rod mounted externally to your existing quiver if this sounds interesting to you.
Very interesting thing. Some thought on this: I heard that bow string should be protected from the elements as much as possible because the materials it was made of. So there should be something like a flap maybe?
Very well thought out and presented.
I would recommend learning about the Asiatic thumb draw & potentially the use of a thumb ring. It keeps the arrow stable on the draw hand side of the bow, making "snap shooting" very, very, fast without a loss of stability.
Is that what the character Arondir was using in Rings of Power? When he draws the bow, the placement of his hand looks different from all of the other archers I've seen. If he was using a thumb ring, that would make sense then.
@@dronesclubhighjinks Yes and no, lol. It looks like he is using a thumb release but his hand is inverted which some think looks cool but is pretty inefficient. Do an image search for "Turkish archery thumb release"
Cheers
Beautiful build. You are so talented and creative. Very inspiring to me to just take the leap and try some of the things floating around in my head. Thank you so much for all that you do.
cool. great work man I'm working up something similar for my survival bow and arrows. trying to figure out the con version from back to hip and you gave me an idea or two for that. fine craftsmanship and much thought put into this. keep it up man. love it.
I love the design. many notes for future projects have been taken while watching this video.
You should do a video on Medieval Arrows some time.
Nice Idea to put both things together. I like the video.
So cool! Love your videos keep them coming your channel is awesome Kramer!
Thanks for good video. Good luck on your adventurers!!
Finally! I was waiting for this episode.
Excellent build! Also, this video couldn't arrive with a better timing, I'm actually planning to build something similar in the near future when my LARP shortbow arrives, and I was also eyeing Aragorn's setup lol.
Best of luck, that sounds awesome!
Greetings from Croatia !!!
Shad says it's better to shoot from the outside of the bow. ;)
Greetings! I do both actually, outside is definitely faster for me
that's so clever to have it hold the arrows from the pressure of the strap. my quiver is hard so it makes a lot of noise when i walk and run and like you said the arrows want to fall out when i bend over forward to pick up something
Making this! Great video thankyiu!,
Awesome build :)
I agree with you, i can't see a ranger carrying a warbow and massive quiver.
Something between 30 and 45 pounds is suitable for hunting (40# is the legal minimum in my state, but fantasy rangers play by their own rules) while still packing enough of a poke to dispatch the occational brigand or goblin.
And as for quiver size, same thing.
Sseems like the bow would mostly be used for small game hunting so you wouldnt need a full sheaf of 2 dozen, but a hand full of spares in case a couple break before you go back to town makes sense.
Between 6 and 12 feels good.
Excellent! Love the practical and budgetary considerations as always. Do you think you'll be attempting fletching or arrow making?
Yes, that is a skill I'd like to learn, honestly the sooner the better because I NEED new arrows and that could get expensive
nice idea. thank you
Well, I know what my next project will be lol. Excellent video as always, Kramer!
I'm so pleased that you got a ranger kit :)
And your bow looks really nice.
That hide you're using must be very expensive though.
Always love your videos Kramer!
Hey Kramer, got a question for you. A while back Shad made a Hunting Monsters video where he broke down how he would hunt different monsters from DND. Would you consider doing something like that, as its something adventurers would need to consider and it would be interesting seeing your take on that kind of thing.
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@@texasbeast239Yeah, would be boss to watch.
Dark elf ranger Drizzt Do'Urden and human fighter/archer Catti-brie of R.A. Salvatore's novels have shared a magical longbow named Taulmaril the Heartseeker over time. They also tend to travel with the quiver over the shoulder, and fight with it at the hip. The bow is said to go up over their shoulders, but that's as much detail as we get.
Good work. I just have a personal gripe about it.
If it looks like a sleeve, you should be able to fit your arm in it, with a sleeve. I know it sounds dumb, but humans will human. You'll get something stuck in there near the bottom (I don't care what, it'll happen, it is... inevitable), you'll stick your arm in there to fish it out. The next thing you know, you're undoing the sheath one-handed because you got your arm stuck in it too.
Nice build man
Thanks Darrel!
Very nice. Makes me feel kind of bad that I've always been to lazy to make a quiver myself.
This is the kind of bow setup i want.
I have a 6 ft hickory longbow that I might need to try this for... I suppose the extra length would add a bit of a challenge though.
I imagine this same idea would work with a longer bow as well. Might want to leave the upper half of the bow sleeve unlaced if you can, kind of like the "Shabbard" so it is easier to deploy and use a slightly more rigid material than I did
Yeah, upon considering further I was imagining something a bit like that!
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Just now getting into my Renfair costumes, and want to double them for LARP. Loving your videos. 2 questions, Have you been/plan to go to Bicolline? And what bow would you recommend for LARP'ing? If you have a recommendation.
Now.. build Legolas complex quiver setup haha 💪
Accuracy>draw weight as I've been saying to my friends
looks good
hey man, loved the video! Just be careful with those square knots your tying, try tying right over left and then left over right, if the laces lay parallel to the standing ends and the knot appears to be two loops each around the other you are using the "strong form" of the knot. when the laces lay perpendicular it indicates you tied right over left and then right over left again and they will come loose more easily.
you made a beautiful build and I'm excited to see you make your own bow, I would just hate for the quiver to come apart if it gets snagged on a thorn or branch and the knots come loose. also I apologize for my pedantic obsession with knots, I work at a living history museum and portray a 17th century sailor. I can't wait for your next video and love the new audio setup!
Very nice leather work. What kind of leather have you used for the quiver and what thickness?
Inspirational as always.
I was thinking that if you sling the pack over the shoulder to hang straight down, the corresponding arm still be constantly forced to keep it behaving - what do you think about adding an extra strap on the shoulder point of the quiver pack to knot it to the shoulder? I think it could help, but maybe I'm overlooking something.
I love it! And love the jacket too, btw.
Thanks!
This is cool. I always like learning how the oft-overlooked logistics of medial life/travel were handled, and seeing that it was often quite easy or at least doable.
Would the simple leather wrap you use as the bow case work with something bulkier, like a high-poundage recurve bow, or would it become too wide at that point to the bow in place?
Very cool setup. I'll have to save this video for one of my up coming projects. I noticed that you shot over your knuckles and your thumb; do you have a preference?
A note regarding believably of the clothing (etc.): One of the biggest red flags that shout "COSTUME" is when clothing looks new/just made. Adding some weathering does wonders for making things look believable, as in lived in. Obviously, it's best when things weather naturally from use, but unless you're wearing these items daily in a rough environment, it will take way too long. Carefully using a knife, wire brush, sandpaper, or other abrasive object on certain areas of the clothing and leather can make things look much, much better. Just go easy and take your time, checking the look periodically. These techniques, along with putting the clothing in a dryer with rocks, checkers pieces, etc., and even dragging costumes behind a car or bicycle on a gravel/dirt road have also been used in films like The Lord of the Rings, Willow, Raiders of the Lost Ark... Also using leather dies to darken certain spots can work well.
The advantages of the sleeve quiver over the basket quiver are self-evident, but where do you stand on the fan quiver?
Nice-looking rig! I think I’ll make something similar for my bow. I appreciate the details you gave about how and why you designed it the way you did.
Why not thread the shoulder strap from the bottom, so you don’t have to fish it through that hole?
I’d consider a way to protect things from rain, as well.
You could make a shoulder-crossing strap and a diagonal strap from right shoulder to left hip to stabilize the bow in “rifle-carry” mode, which may resolve a lot of issues with mobility.
Looking good
awesome video as always!! do you think you'll ever make videos or feature clips from the actual crafting(if ur able)? i'd personally love to see that! also, have you heard of a channel called skill tree? they make tons of larp crafts(though they're not focused on accuracy at all)
I hadn't though about including clips, since the full video of how it was made already exists. Love Skill Tree, Kit and Madi have become good friends of mine! We've even done a few videos together if you haven't seen them ;)
The youtuber Fandabi dozi also made a short bow and quiver system like this. Both this video and his are equally informative and entertaining.
Awesome video! I need to add something like this to my kit! Side note, where did you find your boots?
Those boots were a thrift store find, they are my backups now, I made a pair of long boots with the plains moccasin pattern from Tandy Leather. Those are being repaired at the moment, so I wore these one for this video
Damn nice quiver and leather work.
Personally I think 35 pounds is too weak for real adventurer that might meet wolves or even boars, but for small game it is okay as you said. And it is better to carry a bow which you can draw and shoot comfortably.
As a former scout, I've got to tell you to learn how to tie a square/reef knot. It's just better than the granny knot you're using.
That said, I like the sort of scrappy aesthetic of it. It's functional and doesn't look bad.
I have a 55lb black recurve bow and I love it because of curve gives it a sexy look. The regular bow is hideous.
I have a black tactical quiver for my black arrows and it makes alot of noise because of the plastic thing inside the quiver. Thank you for giving me the idea to take out the hard plastic out of the quiver because I want my arrows to be quiet.
I also have a black bow holder for my black recurve bow and I don’t need to take off the bow string in order to stick my bow into the bow holder.
I might try to find a way to attach the bow while it is strung for an even quicker deployment, but I can imagine it snagging on more things if I'm crawling around in the woods. And generally I store my bow unstrung anyway to try and lengthen its lifespan
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Good idea for unstrung the string to save lifespan. I keep a backup of strings incase one is broken and I also have string wax to help keep the strings stays together. My quiver comes with a pouch where I store extra strings, string wax and different types of arrow heads.
I was gonna recommend the rode wireless go mic, so it's great to see you getting good use out of it
I'm still figuring out how to use it optimally, but it's a heck of a lot better than my setup before
Epic!
Great video, that soft quiver is such a slick idea. You may have already heard of this channel, but if you are interested in making more bows, Dan Santana Bows has a ton of very informative videos and links to other great bow making channels. His videos helped me to make a bow without cracking it (yet, fingers crossed). Keep up the great work, and I hope you have a good week!
Yes.. or just a flat scrap piece of metal... You can use that edge to scrap.. just the very top layer off. Whatever you want to do it on...
It's a bit safer than a piece of glass..
But yes glass works to
Been waiting for this! Needed this so bad for my ranger garb. 🙌🏾 GREAT VIDEO.