TAKING CRITICISM - Terrible Writing Advice
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- A writer must stand ready to battle all foes. In this case that would be mean people in the comments section and reviewers who fail to recognize the author’s genius. They must be put in their place at any cost! Watch this video and an author will be ready to feed any troll… I mean fight any troll and win. Internet arguing is another form of writing after all.
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A word of advice
A hater is vague
A critic is specific
A bully is personal
Wouldn't hater and bully be one and the same?
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. nope, bully goes after you specifically, hater just seeks his own drama relief and gives zero shit about you.
Maniac From the Doomed Planet well depends on how far the haters go.
Is that a personal attack or Something?
Thanks Jigsaw
"She sobbed tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like the shimmering sapphires of shimmerness" Such poetry
*Shimmer*
As she sobbes shimmering tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like the shimmering sapphires of shimmerness she looked down to her shimmering clothes and said "I have to glow, i'm the main character."
And those who understand that are just idiots and don't understand art. XD
I wish I could write that well...
Not enough wings.
If all else fails just rely on the age-old trick. Tell them that if they don't like or value your work, then don't read/ look at it! It's a foolproof way to defeat all criticism!
UN-Capital Just ask Aubrey Sitterson!
Pietro Lucchese it can't. It's the "No u" of the writing world.
Never mind that human beings are not psychic, and cannot detect whether a piece of media is good or not without first experiencing it, it's the critic's fault for having too high standards and wanting to form their opinions AFTER they've seen something first hand. What level-headed person would do such a thing?
or you can call them racists and mysoginists
They hate it so you're doing something right!
You could also make your main character female, then call all haters sexist (regardless or gender)!
Good idea, I think I might do that.
You can also make the characters black or gay/lesbian, just so you can call your haters Racist Homophobic Bigot
Albert Daddy what do you mean by Islamaphobe?
CookieCakeEater
They mean religionism in the branch of hating and discrimination on those of the Muslim religion
Heck, you don’t even need to do that. Call them sexist, racist, homophobic regardless of who/what your characters are and what they do.
"Have YOU ever wrote a book? Made a movie? Created a video game? Composed a song? I don't think so! So shut up!" is my favorite response to criticism.
ThatGenericGuy59 I know, right! Where does this mindset that you need to write a book in order to have a less than positive opinion on a book come from?
ThatGenericGuy59 Just saying that I might not know how to make a pizza, but I can tell when one isn't made with yummy pizza luv it's supposed to be made with.
"This pizza tastes like cardboard!"
"Well, since you have never made pizza, I should definitely just ignore you and continue to praise myself"
Yea when people say to me "do you know how to make a game?"
I say to them
Image if an airplane take off and crash right away than the spokes person says "How you know that the plane was faulty do you know how to build one?"
ThatGenericGuy59 actually I have written multiple books
To quote TV Tropes, " It doesn't take a carpenter to recognize a poorly-made table"
He forgot to mention blocking and banning people on social media
I know right?Amateur.
And of course you should loudly proclaim that you are doing that.
-I'm going to block and ban you from all the Internets, and I will report you to the CZcams Police Department for insinuating that TWA's video wasn't perfect!!!-
-I'm definitely not a sock puppet, why do you ask?-
The Internet will never know if I delete my posts, GrandmistressD!!! :p
Yes, that advice is soooo 2016. This year we nuke those reviewers with DMCA strikes.
jonathan holland Steve Shives? Is that you?
_"They're_ the ones who are _reading_ it wrong!"
YES! Finally someone who gets it! And _furthermore,_ the fact that such a large portion of my audience is apparently misinterpreting my work should in _no_ way give rise to doubts or otherwise reflect poorly on my simultaneously Byzantine and poorly-edited writing style! NEVER IMPROVE, MY BROTHERS! ONWARD! THEY'RE AAALLLLL JUUUUST JEALOOOOOOUS!*
*Other acceptable battle cries include: "Don't like; don't read!", "It's _my_ story!", "Let's see _you_ write something, then!", and variations.
One day the "Let's see you write something better," line is going to inspire a best seller.
@@willow1wisp It probably already has.
actually deal with some people who actually say things like that
nan
YaS! Tannk u 4 stroking my aLreedie blowted eGo!!1!!!11!!!!1!
If I can read someone's review and point to all the reasons they're full of shit, I am within my rights to say so. Having the right to an opinion, does not give one the right to be taken seriously.
That Troll Hydra may be the most accurate thing I have seen all year.
It shows that feeding the trolls never makes them go away.
A shame one can't end it by cauterizing the stumps...
@@generationm2059 nothing a good old molotov can't solve.
Hail Hydra
@@teenfoe Yes if I remember that one webcomic right, the only way is to find out where they life and seduce their mom.
You forgot vague comparisons to Hitler. Internet arguing 101.
Liberal argiung 101.
**Trump*
@@vladt6550 Typical "Reducto at liberalum".
All socialist should be moved to venezuela so they can enjoy the socialist paradise they want so bad.
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 He also killed Hitler
If a critic tells you that your work is rubbish without elaborating, their opinion is not worth listening to.
If a critic tells you why they think your work is rubbish, then their opinion is worth listening to.
That's pretty good advice!
Now that's is a real critique which I would love to read and think.
A critic could be anyone. They don't have to be a paid person. They could be: a reader, someone you know or a creative writing teacher, the publisher, editor, a friend who is helping you out etc. So yes, whilst the term critic includes the kind of professional critic you're talking about, it covers a wide variety of individuals from all walks of life.
I don't think any work is perfect. Also any criticism is subjective. What works for person A may not work for person B and vice versa. However from criticism you can gauge how to hold audience interest and how it can be lost. Yes some people will trash your work. The important aspect is not the score but what they say.
Even if you disagree with the criticism, it is still useful.
Bobby Ranger he never mentioned anything about professional critics dude lmao
Fair point.
My mom once said that one of my characters was "too boring" to have as the protagonist of my planned ten book anatholoy series. So I put her in a coma! THAT'LL teach her to criticize my genius :)
At least your parents actually critizes. My parents tend to go toward everything you write it pure gold, although they at least point out what in particular they like.
@Eric Lee 😂
Now she's to boring to be your mom! Hows that for ironic punishment!
a comma pun would make this joke funnier
“Too Boring” is still too vague. I think an explanation of “why” the character is boring, not “that” the character is boring, is what criticism should be.
"Wait just a minute! I figured out why everyone hates my writing! Why didn't I think of this before? In my writing I'm telling the absolute truth and there's a conspiracy to shut me down, they want to silence me! But I'll show them!!!"
Your comment clearly reflects that you write good sarcasm
WORST COMMENT EVER!!
@@archmageofpizzamancy2471 yeah. Frick him.
@@archmageofpizzamancy2471 I agree with archmage. We definitely don’t have an agenda.
whisper: Hail Hydra!
I remember reading someone's writing, and I said "I love the story and your idea. However, you should double check your spelling and grammar before posting to make for easier reading" or something to that affect. I got blocked, reported, and hate messages from that person's friend. And I actually liked their content. It was literally a practical issue I critiqued.
bookl0ver Jesus christ. Did he really block and report you just because you said his grammar could be better?
Someone's a little touchy
Getting blocked by someone whose work you love really sucks. Happened to me with the historically accurate Disney fan artist. But you have to remember that it's their problem, not yours.
@@lizzychrome7630 Yeah, but it's such a shame when you genuinely like someone's work and their response means you will be unable to see that thing you love reach its fullest potential.
A reasonable reaction to such heresy.
0/10 not enough love triangles
Edit: Holy crap, 1000 likes already.
1/5 stars. I thought the Mary Sue's ego was too much and she gets rewarded for everything. The "tragic" backstory of her is too underwhelming and cliche. Oh, and this was one of those easily predictable "chosen one" story. It also seems like she's the only character around until the prince charming male love interest appears. I agree, needs more love triangles.
dragonpotter I agree. The story could definitely do better with a love dodecahedron...
Having love triangle between author, critic and fan.
LOVE DODECAHEDRONS, DANGIT!
No, we want more erotic icosahedrons!
'Readers are only there to praise you work'
sounds like tumblr
Kayleigh Cailer 🤣
and Behind the meme
Joeseph Stalin Kebab Removal Flags and Mapping I think you mean when an artist drew Rose Quartz from Steven Universe. Idk if she was an amateur or she didn't know how to draw fat arms, but she didn't know how to accurately draw Rose's arms and they came out a bit thin. Everyone on Tumblr insulted and harassed her and claimed she 'fat-shamed'- I think they even sent her death threats? -and the girl committed suicide.
And Wattpad.
Louisania TheMagnificent Why would you make your warform a kindly fat lady in the first place? Now that I think about it as far as I watched they never used their shapechanging ability for jokes
"I hate the prophecy!" Angsted Mary Sue "for it states that I have to choose between Jeff and Steve!"
Terrible Writing Advice for Anti Heroes?
I can't like again, so I comment
Or Roguish anti-heroes? :D
What are they, some kind of suicide squad?
Zollock Buster Me just liking both comments wasn't enough, so I commented.
An anti-hero is a character without traditional heroic traits. He is not a knight in shining armor, now some authors like to explore what makes the anti-hero like he is. Maybe he used to be a typical hero but became cynical after a series of defeats or by viewing the corruption of the people he was supposed to fight for. That way we can look into what it is that makes people want to fight and explore the cost of loyalty and even examine how people can fight for a cause even if that cause is imperfect.
Nah- lets just describe his bad ass scars and guns!
I have to pause two out of three screens just to get all the text jokes. As funny as your delivery is, the text jokes are gold ^_^
midgetelantrian8 I was just vocalizing this to my wife who kept asking why I was pausing the video so often.
agreed!
midgetelantrian8 Whoa is me!
Did you just criticize his work? How dare you. You obviously didn't get the point of the video.
@@shadowsgate0 i like the not clickbait one
i've just realized no-one cares about my art and stories enough to even critique it-
Same
Ikr
*I’m in this picture and I don’t like it*
wait everyone who wants a read send a link
The worst fate your creation can get is one comment that just says it’s ok
“She gazed forewarning into a mirror at their perfect figure. “I hate the prophecy!” Angsted Mary Sue. “For it states that I must choose between Jeff and Steve!” She *sobbed tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like the shimmering sapphires of shimmerness*
Bootiful
Oh my goodness that is the best writing and story i've ever heard 100/10 best story ever oh my goodness im dying please help me please help me please help me now im dying im dying im dying im dying from laughter hahahahahahaha all hail jp
It all comes together like a beautiful tapestry!
Pfp checks out, very sapphirey and shimmery
Those sapphires were so blue and shimmering with shimmering shimmery shimmerness I choked on them
There couldn't have been a better metaphor for reacting to trolls than that Troll Hydra.
PrismaticAngel yeah keep slicing
Of course many take this to the other extreme and declare that all criticism is trolls and refuse to listen and engage in a productive way.
@@thegatorhator6822 Of course! The ‘faceless enemy’ must be dehumanized and ignored at all costs.
"Writer's groups and Beta Readers are only there for one reason! To tell you how great and awesome your writing is!"
Sad part is that I once knew a guy who took a writing class that was exactly that...
RebelRocket I may have gotten in trouble for taking a guy like that's story, filing off the serial numbers, then making it better. I.E. fixed the kindergarten level grammar, removed superfluous characters, fleshed out the ones that remained, and refined the villain's plan. Then titled it "How to Write." I thought it was funny.
@@angrytheclown801 Tbh that's mean and kind of pathetic. There is a difference between critizing and being an asshole.
Plus, how much credibility do you have, being in such a group?
@@francisthompson3772 The difference is sometimes you have to be an asshole to prove a point. And he wasn't treating any constructive criticism like it had any value. So a nuke is needed sometimes.
@@angrytheclown801 Ok, but did you really had to call it:"How to write?".
@@francisthompson3772 It's all part of the asshole part. If someone gets to the point where they want to avoid criticism in anything at all costs half measures won't work. Sure, they might shrug off the blunt brutal truth, but they'll ignore you if you're nice. Keep that in mind, sometimes you gotta be the total asshole.
0:38 before the internet, more specifically social media, if you hated someone you had to write a letter. You had to put pen to paper then put it in an envelope the. Go to the post office and mail it. I bet the majority of people would get halfway through said letter and think “Dude, what the hell am I doing?” Then stop and throw the letter away and go on with their life. If you got hate mail, that person really hated you. Now anyone can just write out a quick tweet or comment and not have to think twice about the vitriol they spit
And you had to write the return address, so someone could show up at your front door the next day with your letter in hand.
Or you just shot them.
Either way works!
Boy, you don't really know anything about 18th century reviewers, do you? Maybe look into the past before assuming they were nicer, because they were not.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 i don't think they intend to say they where nicer, but back then they certainly had more time to think and collect your thoughts, which certainly made people produce greater criticism more often, rather then lazily saying something mean.
What’s about road rage and other ancient forms of harassment?
I’m convinced Derek Savage watched this full video without ever even realizing that it was meant to be sarcastic. He honestly hit every note perfectly.
Who?
@@daleketchup7434 he’s a wannabe filmmaker who directed/wrote/produced/acted in Cool Cat Saves the Kids.
@@claytonharbaugh308 And threatened to set ISIS on his critics.
*cough cough* Derek Savage
And I'm Cool Cat, and I love _all_ kids!
Especially Babies!
Poetically so.
More like Uwe Boll
Christian Weston would be a better example. Especially with the cataloguing thing.
Also remember that something is immune from criticism if it is available for free or if you label it it beta or early access.
Don't forget, it's also immune from criticism if you make it a Source mod! Never mind the fact that the damn thing costs $9.99, the person spent a lot of time developing it, so it's okay!
@@LotsaJunk (Flashback back to a certain Half-Life 2 fan-mod staring Keemstar as president.)
This is painfully relatable
The funny part is that those things exist so that the creator can get criticism so that the final work can be improved.
Why is this exactly Yandere”Dev”?
The only diference is that its not writing but making a game
@Gabriel 2020 what talent? all he knows is else-if 🤣
Gabriel 2020 “not that bad”? Are we thinking of the same game?
Gabriel 2020 if/else go brrrrrr
I used to be really invested in what Yandere Dev was doing, it really sucks for someone you really liked to turn out to apparently be toxic af
People change, it's not always a good thing
@@charlottehook7387 I remember being excited a few years back for it development, he blotched it in a few month afterwards and I slow became less and less interested, fast forward to now and suddenly I'm hearing all about him again and not good things, I take a look at the project and lo and behold it didn't change since the last time I saw it almost four years ago, thats insane.
2:07 exactly the situation I've been in with a co-worker. The main character intro was just her screaming at her class for not being good enough at dancing. When I finished my coworker asked, "Isn't she a bad ass?" I tried to explain as delicately as I could that that wasn't the impression she was leaving but I was told, "I have to show how tough she is." I just gave the compliments she wanted so I could get back to work.
I'm an illustrator and I'm constantly given terrible writing by people who want me to do all the art for free or after royalties or that we because we both aren't famous yet but will be after this awesome novel series comes out. Please don't do this to your friends that do art.
Have you seen r/choosingbeggars? About half of it is people whining for free art and then throwing a temper tantrum when the artists actually want to be paid for their time and effort. I don't know if you'd find it more amusing or frustrating, though.
I think being blunt works better in those situations. Though if the person asking your opinion is unprofessional, well, then it could backfire.
I think the true issue of criticism (that obviously only arises once you've come to the conclusion that not all criticism is a personal attack by imbeciles) is separating valid and invalid criticism. One person might say that they didn't understand what was going on in this one part of the story even though it was stated multiple times if only you do some basic reading between the lines; in other words the person in question might be used to the spoonfeeding variety of exposition. Another person might say that the exposition is too blatant, but really they're just really used to stories with obscure narratives that expect a lot of detective work on the reader's end. And then finally you might have a person who says that the exposition was fine, but the protagonist was too quick to figure stuff out, this person being valid as you accidentally informed your protagonist more than you should have since you already had all the info in your head before writing it down.
So the real challenge of criticism is knowing when they got fair points and when they genuinely just don't understand your work or for other reasons present flawed criticism. Which is tricky, because you gotta choose this based on personal preference, making it easy to fall back on the "All criticism is bad and all praise is good". When my friends review something I've written I often feel that it's justified to point out that their criticism is flawed and the things they're complaining about is actually not present, and this always makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong. Even though I'm well aware they might be wrong too, I don't like dismissing criticism.
zzz43452 having a fan base can be difficult
You are WRONG because you misinterpret.. something (sorry too long didn't read). And your a troll.
Constantine N. maybe you're just a terrible person
how do you know they're a terrible person?
Loquacious much? Read or not no audience wants to sit through 2 paragraphs of text in a CZcams comment. If you want more constructive criticism maybe focus on being less like Cormac McCarthy
You know what's the best way to deal criticism is?
You sue them for abusing free speech!
Coach Renaldo has it happened?
I'm not sure. but would you be surprised if it were true?
You referring to Digital Homicide?
Maybe probably yes X3
Simon yes.
you forgot racism and sexism accusations. happens all the time when you criticize people.
Boohoo! Stop discriminating against me because I am incapable of seeing things from different perspectives! Whaaaa!
Especially on the internet.
Not really since some people do be really racist and sexist online so yiu can really play with that
3:16 he addressed this one lol
Sexism and racism accusations are kind of played out. Now homophobia and transphobia accusations...well that's untouched territory right there. You can also do classist accusations if you're feeling brave enough, but I don't think those go over well.
2:41 "She sobbed tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like the shimmering sapphires of shimmerness." My sides.
Your profile pic brings back very pleasant memories
Well, to be fair...
The CZcams comment section isn't exactly anyone's ally.
How DARE you sir?!
En Garde!
The CZcams comment section is everyone's ally, and everyone's enemy, because it had literally every single opinion.
unless there is a shipping war. then you can call on the other rabid fangirls to be your allies and defend OTP
So, basically, the collection of the entire youtube comment section makes the Joker. Good to know.
Jack Lant Tell too many writers with bigger egos than talent that, though.
"Such an overwhelming negative reaction to my work must be there for a reason." Yes. Clearly, your work is so good that a group of rivals has mounted an organized campaign to slander you, and all of the critics are either conspirators or their sockpuppets. Just tell them you're onto their scheme; that should demoralize them.
I read this comment and remembered a kitchen nightmare episode where the owners of a burger restaurant deluded themselves into thinking Yelp was out to get them. Good times.
Yeah, that episode was actually one of the incidents I had in mind, too.
Banazir864 genius!
KingofUSA85 Yeah, I always find that the Internet has a way of universally hating clever, nuanced, and original stories for no reason. Especially the book reviewing section of the Internet.
The ignorance of the masses.
0:16
It’s Ego the Living Planet
My lungs have seized function from laughter
Daddy Dereck, Onision, YandereDev, the writer of Empress Theresa, take your picks people. All are valid.
Not to mention every lolcow who became a lolcow due to bad art and poor reactions to criticism.
Uwe Boll
Urbanspook
The Epci Journey of Mary Sue!
She gazed forewarnly into a mirror at her perfect figure. "I hate the prophecy!" Angsted Miry Sue, "for it states that I must choose between Jeff and Steve!"
She sobbed tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like shimmering sapphires of shimmerness. "Why must I choose between love while also inheriting the magical power of pure beauty and the ability to melt people with a mere thought. Whoa is me! I guess I will go stop the dark lord now with the power of true love, and maybe with a side of the power of friendship."
Percy Jackson in a nutshell
"her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like shimmering sapphires of shimmerness. "
10/10 would almost choke on my tea again.
And then she was purged with a flamer for being a Chaos-tainted filthy mutant. The end.
=P
"stop the dark lord now with the power of true love, and maybe with a side of the power of friendship."
Every romance or shonen manga in a nutshell.
Since when does Percy Jackson defeat enemies with the power of true love, he defeats them with the power of swords
You think you can take criticism well?
Alright, then.
Your videos are to good, they keep me from sleeping. Stop it.
too*
Be sure to analyze this criticism.
How dare you criticze his comment. In the Republic of Kekistan we are forbidden from using two consecutive "os!" Now I'm in a bad mood...
Shadilay.
His videos are Mary Sues.
Inspector Javert your criticizing his criticism criticizing his criticism and I'm criticizing your criticism
critseption
Sonic the hedgehog fanfiction writers watched this and actually took it to heart.
I once tried to give feedback on a story my friend was writing, and they responded with, “Well, it’s just a rough draft.” The problem was that the grammar was so bad, I literally had no idea what the story was even about.
"Grammar isn't important in the first step, that's for my editor to fix"
Waot you mean gremmer bad? It just draft, you must are bad!!!!
Grammar can be bad, but it has to be comprehensible.
What if someone tells you that your story SHOULD have a love triangle?!
Dear god... The universe might implode.
They're a troll.
Tell em to gtfo. Love Decahexedralagons or bust, chumps.
... now that's actual constructive criticism!
Negateaux that is sir is a good question
2:50 "What idiot keeps telling people to shoehorn love triangles into their stories?" LMFAOOOO 😂😂
please step away from the keyboard
Probably the audience of TWA for making Love Triangle into a dead meme
probably legend of Korra fans
That girl is so pretty, but she’s in love with someone else, and she loves me too, WHOA!
>Devoted wiki page
>Considering trolls fans
Are you referencing Chris-Chan I swear to god if you are
zain naqvi link me to his wiki please
It actually sounded more like Empress Theresa to me.
nah they started to troll him because he goes around with a sign im a 24 yl virgin who needs a girlfriend
I thought it was Tom Preston. Then again, he's an artist, not a writer.
@Fluffynator "Bob's game". That guy got angry because he wanted the developer kit for the DS, when he thought "Nintendo's ignoring me, time to glitterbomb their shops!"
Norman boutin viciously taking notes.
Forget love triangles.
You need love pentagons.
why not make it an icosahedron
t850terminator. A love infinity-gon.
t850terminator love decdagedrons
LOVE MENGER SPONGES.
We need love 4D hypercubes.
... However *that* would work.
Don't forget: if everyone thinks your work is bad, you must work even harder to convince everyone else their work is worse.
And/or that they are bullies out to discredit you out of competition.
I submitted a piece of a Sonic fanfiction I'm writing for people to read, and I only got one response and the person said it was pretty good but could use some more scene description. And you know what happened next???!?
I recognized the problem, agreed with the person and aim to fix it. I want this fanfic to be the best it can be, so I'll take constructive criticism over false praise any day. It's not hard, folks.
And thus, a fanfiction writter has just proved to be smarter and more mature than most other "proffessional" writters out there!
Can I also offer some advice?
Try to come up with a story in a new universe with new characters rather than base it on someone else's existing work. There's already tons of Sonic fan-fiction out there, and you could stand out more as a writer if you were to make your own original characters. Plus, it'd allow to use your creativity a lot more.
Sonic the Hedgehog is a nice game, and I'm a fan of the series (SA2 and before anyway). But, you would really grow more as an author if you were to try something new and create your own works.
Just a friendly suggestion.
@@TheDr502 fan fiction and writing novels have pretty different objectives though. Fan Fictions are just for fun and games, it's more of a hobby than anything else, you're not trying to sell it
Salty Green Arrow Fan True, fan fiction isn’t in the same realm as professional writing. It’s a hobby, through and through.
My point is, there’s so much Sonic fan-fiction out there that, in my honest opinion, adding another one to the mix isn’t very creative, and it’s likely to get lost in the sea of Sonic fan-fics floating around the net. Plus, I think they’d challenge themselves a lot more if they were to create something new and original. Doing something new might improve their writing skills in the process.
But, it’s up to the writer what they want to write, ultimately. I won’t stop ‘em.
@@TheDr502That's what FictionPress is for.
But if you have a few followers already for the fan fiction, you're really just doing it for them. And besides, a hell of a lot are painful to read, you can really make a difference when you know what you're doing and others just may take notice.
Finally, some anarcho-neo-pagan vegan cyborg representation!
As you know, token representation never backfires! This video will be perfect forever!
You know, I actually wish I had people that read my short stories and commented on them with criticism? They assume I'm fragile or something and just give positive remarks, but I just want honest criticism so I can seriously improve my work!
I Don't want honest Criticism, Because I DON'T WANT TO IMPROVE MY WORK!!
+Artsy Aries Just put _Contructive criticism is welcome!_ in your author's notes
A writers' community website will do that for you. I recommend scribophile.com (but then, I may be a bit biased. 😁 "Other writers' sites are available.")
well at least you have comments.
Love triangles are old & stale. My question is where are the love tetrahedrons?
Rudofaux YOU MAY NOW ACCESS THE L O V E O C T A H E D R O N
what about the *_L O V E T E S S E R A C T S ? ? ? ?_*
WHAT ABOUT THE LOVE
*_R H O M B I C O S I D O D E C A H E D R O N_*
"How to handle criticism" :
* Proceeds to stab people with a pen *
I like where this is going already (^^)
cil
Criticism often sucks. Not because people are telling you what’s wrong with your work, but because they’re not. I’ve given my friends some of my stories before and most of them say either: “it’s good” or “it could use some work” that’s great and all, but what part was good? What was I doing wrong? What was I doing right? That’s the part where taking criticism gets hard. When they won’t explain their opinion.
that throne of pencils was beautiful
Notumengi who will sit the Graphite Throne?
Games of Graphite
As a Anarcho-Neo-Vegan-Cyborg, I find this video offensive.
As an apache attack helicopter, I find your comment offensive.
“There were no mean people before the internet..”
Adolf hitler: *laughs in dictator*
Josef Stalin: _laughs in gulag_
@Eric Lee Fidel Castro: _laughs in Bay of Pigs_
@@yogurtgaminglol Mao: laughs in Great Leap Forward.
Rishabh Bezbarua Mussolini: laughs in
s p a g h e t
More of a personality test.
I could only think of Chris-Chan and Norman Boutin when I watched to this episode.
Change the cannon on twitter to appease the new social movement
cumquatrct3 I think the original comment was referring to JKR's habit of retroactively claiming that every established Harry Potter character was a vegan transgender Muslim in a wheelchair the whole time, despite that clearly not being the case in the actual books...
Because she’s so busy.
Just make your main character gay and if anyone criticizes your shitty writing just call them a homophobe it works wonders.
classicslayer456 Is it wrong that I feel like that's the sole reason they made Korra gay at the end of Avatar LoK?
Matthew Coyle wait Korra is actually gay?
SUNUVA
Winter Larsimé Yeah creators came out and confirmed it. Not that is matters, she still sucks as a character.
classicslayer456 Or just call the criticizer himself gay.
And don't worry about giving them personality besides their sexuality. Instead, constantly emphasize it with stereotypes and bring it up in the story over and over; it's not bigotry, it's progression.
It’s good to keep an argument balanced fairly. It’s quite hard for some writers to change their style of writing when they think it works. Some people can overly praise somethings without looking at it logically, and some people can be overly hateful, without taking in and understanding what can be improved upon, and just mentioning the bad stuff for an angry and passionate view. It is good to listen to criticism for improvement and understanding, but only those ones that seem valid and deal with both good and bad aspects.
Internet trolls being a Hydra is the most perfect thing I've ever seen.
A general tip to any writers watching this:
You should also be wary of the writers groups you join. I'd say around half of them are just circle jerks for egotistical writers looking for validation. To find a real good one, make sure that the people criticizing your work can also handle *you* criticizing their work. If they can't handle it, then their critique might just be retaliation for their hurt feelings. Being able to separate good advice from bad is a skill all writers need if they're going to improve.
"The purpose of the story isn't clear enough."
"You just don't get it."
The logic of Zack Snyder and his cult of a fanbase.
@@Xehanort10 Like Marvel is any less of a cult. I dropped Marvel after Endgame because the story was done as far as I was concerned. Not to mention I hadn't even watched all the movies in the first place. I don't watch DCEU either, since I am a DCAU fan.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 I've not seen any Marvel fans treat the MCU films as deep meaningful perfect masterpieces like Snyder fans do his films. Nor do they hail a pretentious hack as some genius filmmaking god.
Everyone please repeat after me:
"The more important my story is to me the more willing I should be to receive criticism. If I really love this story I should want to make it the best it can be so the readers can love it too. Constructive criticism isn't hate, it's help.
It is still worth noting that no matter how obviously correct the criticism I will try to justify the mistake to you before I change it.
I don't necessarily think this is wrong per se. INFPs like myself naturally want to make it clear why they made the mistake they did and I honestly think that 1/100 times the justification will be totally valid and make the criticizer change his/her mind.
If you disagree with me on this please feel free to make your case :)
@@Kashi_Mochibean
If you didn't realize, this channel is just sarcasm and dead memes to be taken satirically.
I see where YandereDev gets his notes from
Lmao
Actually, he "borrows" the notes.
@@shadysam7161 yes and then never fixes or improves the asset- I mean notes. Yes notes.
@@iljaradenkovs7150 make sure not to make that mistake again, or you'll be getting banished to the realm of tommorrow by the wrath of YandereDolt.
wher chalice ;_;
I really enjoyed this video and anyone who didn't is factually incorrect.
Matthew DeSantis you sir are OPINIONLY RIGHT
No, they are factualy right and your claim that this fact is just an opinion is wrong.
Yes, Phantom is right and you are wrong, they are also very smart and handsome and beatiful.
“Aaaa! A PARADOX?
Don’t think about it! Don’t think about it! Don’t think about it!”
Could you do a episode of Terrible Writing Advice on the climax, final battle, or ending if a book?
Make sure to undo all the progress made in the ending so the reader feels like the entire story was a waste!
For instance have Mary Sue bring all the dead characters no one cared about back to life.
That one guy I was kinda thinking the opposite to an extent. The most recent example I can think of (though not an absolutely awful one) is samurai Jack ie the time travel problem of "and none of it ever happened and none of the characters you liked will ever be born" or the even worse option which is "and nothing changed or got accomplished because the heroes are suddenly idiots and my story is edgy!" But yours is equally valid as a bad ending that ruins the whole story.
That one guy be sure to have a plot twist that subverts the expectations in a way that requires an impossibility or stupidity on the characters side rather than an outside force or an unexpected but justified choice that will leave be audience surprised rather than insulted.
What a tweest! What a tweest...er!
I swear CZcams must be cataloging my brain waves, in bed last night I'm just thinking to myself "I don't take criticism well, I should get help" I wake up, watch CZcams, first video I get for my recommended is this video
New conspiracy theory
I joined a writing group on Facebook once where you were supposed to put up blog posts you'd written so others could critique them. When I joined, I saw that nobody was reading each other's work and commenting, so I commented on a few suggesting some structural improvements. Got reported and kicked out. Good times.
What's the point of those writings then? 😅 People are weird
@@nurnadhirahsaing6169 -This Video should have mentioned Norman, the Author of Empress Theresa,
who is so hyper-legendarily-bad at taking Criticism, as its HE who made everyone aware that
theres actually a Comment-Limit on Amazon-Reviews: 500! I swear, NO ONE knew that before him.
-JP, Critical Drinker and Hbomberguy resemble each other so hard; they do Criticism right.
-Krimson Rogue once said "Criticism - maybe the Best Tool ever!"
Thanks for reading my incoherent rambling. Here, have Cookie.
@@nenmaster5218 Ah, that guy 😂 I remember watching a review of his book on this other CZcamsr channel (didn't remember his name but he wears glasses and have a long hair). Oh boy, it was one kind of a review 😂👍
@@nurnadhirahsaing6169 Not to mention the Legend himself: ONISION.
Oh, and Chris Chibnal.
I love how that guy was put down by a FIVE HOUR REVIEW filled with VALID AND POLITE Criticism by 'Jay Exci'!
In fact... correct me if I'm wrong but... isnt constructive Criticism getting more popular? Hbomberguy, Critical Drinker, Jay Exci, many did great with it (have this Recommend!), yeah?
@@nenmaster5218 i didn't watch too many book reviewer CZcams channels but some of that you mentioned, I do watch them.
Can "The Epci Journey of Mary Sue" be a real thing?
Josh Legacy. Sure why not.
Probably there is more than one running around the internet. And each one is as gloriously dumb as the last
No, I mean like an actual book called "The Epci Journey of Mary Sue". It would be sarcastic, self aware, and is secrectly a guide on how to right a good story.
Josh Legacy yeah it's called Star Wars: Episode 7 The Force Awakens
ZombieSlayer123four Or just the first starwars movie.
You know what's worse then a bad writer attacking criticism? A bad writer using his/her/it/whatever the fuck unearned fame and "experience" to try to destroy good writers. Especially startup indies and such just because they can make better work. I'm not even joking, there are actual writers that are envious of others better work.
Pyroskies and you know what's even worse than that... the Tau.
+Inquisitor Thomas "All work must contribute to the state" meaning it's all boring Propaganda, the Imperium at least allows for some creativity.
+Inquisitor Thomas How about we weaponize some Mary Sues (Adeptus Sueroritas) and *PURGE* all the filty xenos scum.
Julien Pleijte But we already have Ultramarines?
+Inquisitor Thomas Really? You want to send out the Ultrasmurfs? They might have a shot thanks to Guilliman, Calgar and Cato Sicarius, but I find them the most annoying loyalist chapter that exists. I also had the sudden inspiration for Adeptus Sueroritas lol.
Looks like YandereDev watched this video and decided to listen to this advice.
Depressed Man LMAO
"A pen is mightier than the sword if the pen is very sharp and the sword is very short."
- Sir Terry Pratchett
I don't know who he is, but he is a very wise man
Encyclopedia Dramatica. Documenting internet drama for years.
And being a complete arsehole about it, starting it's own drama.
Don’t forget the RationalMind wiki and Cwcki websites. Not sure if I should mention Conservapedia, but hey.
"This is a battle of endurance" lol basically any internet war.
"Whenever nature leaves a hole in a person’s mind, she generally plasters it over with a thick coat of self-conceit." - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Also remember you can win any argument by saying "no u"
Pan Lis Or send them the Reverse Uno Card
But what if they say "no u" back?
PENCILS FOR THE PENCIL THRONE!
I have been procrastinating writing all year probably because I am afraid of my own criticism.
Plasticplas1 Just don't tell yourself that you're going to write seriously until you're done with your session.
I have the same problem sometimes, and sometimes that helps me.
I know how crippling your own pressure on yourself can be and, honestly, the only way to cope with it?
Just realise that it's OK if you're not a Mary Sue, and remind yourself of how an amazingly cool potential you already have due to this simple fact.
I hope it helped, and if not, just keep this in mind: relax and try to not take yourself too seriously that you end up completely paralyzed. Seriously, just relax so it can flow, and after it flowed, you can polish it.
Cheers, and wish you the best!
Edit because autocorrect it's untameable
Me too. I'm thinking it might be time to set my current novel aside and find the passion in a new book.
Good keep it up
Just don't be a fucking troll.
Nah, you just suck and you know it
Why do I feel like this is him low key calling out Yandere dev
Any advices or conversation that talks about taking criticism are bound to be calling out Yandev, either intentionally or unintentionally. Because he's like the prime example of what one shouldn't do, so yeah...
more like chris chan and the empress theresa author (don't remember his name)
@@yanstein8464 That's exactly what I thought lmao (the authors name is Norman Boutin)
And every other art centered lolcow.
How to take criticism! Remove the dislike button!
Too many dislikes can pressure the creator, therefore we must remove the button.
It's not like it has any use to critize your video to tell if it's actually bad or not whatsoever!
Not like the viewer would like to know whether a popular video is controversial or not!
Oh yeah and let's make the dislikes visible to the creator, thus rendering the whole thing about "Not pressuring them" useless!
where my Anarcho-Neo-Pagan Vegan Cyborgs at
Ron Rom right here in the future
Ron Rom in California
That's my gender.
England is my gender
Ron Rom Only eliminate everything except -borg and you discover what I want to be.
Resistance is futile.
Ah the video I've been waiting for
Send this to yandere dev now.
I used to be this type of person. Taking even one single bad review of my work as a personal jab at my entire state of being until eventually, it stopped bothering me all together. Realized I'm not perfect, I need to improve and no one is more blind to my own flaws that myself and getting a fresh opinion is a good thing, even if it hurts some times
way too many people on the internet are represented in this video
War Stories should not be represented with gruffy old men, you need a love triangle!
Of course! Bay's Pearl Harbor taught us that!
A love triangle between gruffy old men.
yandere dev watched this before making the game.
He was too dense to feel the sarcasm
I like how this advise can translate to all arts. A lot of people have the same problem in other arts, especially musical works. The only wrinkle is that there, interpretation between person to person differs to either save or sink a work.
Or architecture, the ‘art’ form no two people have ever agreed on.
"She sobbed tears from her shimmering blue eyes that shimmered like the shimmering sapphires of shimmerness."
10/10
Also, say that anyone who doesn't like your work is racist and sexist, and ignore all the successful works that had plenty of diversity.
Also, claim they are against freedom of speech and are trying to ruin (insert your country here) even if they don't actually care.
Mr ThoughtCrime *cough* Marvel
Mr ThoughtCrime Sometimes true, yes, but if you've bit them in the sensibilities hard enough, such critiques can indeed be sexist, racist or what have you. The slew of hate mail Rod Serling got after the Twilight Zone episode He's Alive is a good example of the latter in action.
There's not _that_ many, shariq. They're just loud.
If they say "YOUR CHARACTER IS GAY MURHRHRHRHRHR" obviously that's homophobia
If they say "could you not just constantly blare in my face that they're gay I want more info about them than just they're openly gay" that's _not_ homophobia, that's WANTING TO KNOW THE GAY PERSON BETTER.
etc.
Be sure to call them a degenerate communist who's trying to take away your freedom of speech while completely ignoring what all of that means.
Mary Sue: because if you’re going to be accused of it anyway, why NOT write one?
I was ripped apart in-person by a bunch of established writers when I read a chapter to them aloud of my first draft novella. I recoiled. For the previous read I was contrastingly lauded. Those experiences helped me not take things so personally and write more for me instead of for others. And others’ opinions are just that, opinions.
They’re especially helpful when they cause me to go like, “Whoops, I didn’t see it that way.” But I find often opinions are to a preference and I don’t usually write to a preference. Getting feedback is always good though. I’d rather messy feedback than none at all.
This kind of behavior is really common in so many spheres beyond just writing.... sadly.
Art is a big one lol. I've seen so many spoiled brat children making art, and attacking anyone who believes their art is imperfect.
You mean like our president?
Terrible Writing Advice on Adapting Mythology. I have no idea where to go with this topic, and I'm kind of at a loss here.
Yeah ignore the cultural backgrounds the myth comes from and just take it from any adaption from a movie, and disregard the original myth who would be interested in a detailed history, and morenize it, and you need a love triange.
Don't
Be
Disney
@@fyrefrost1898
Agreed. The sheer number of things they get wrong is hilarious.
The _really_ sad thing is that their myths would work amazingly as original stories. (Well, maybe not Hercules, but there's no fixing that movie.)
Well... That explains why CZcams removed the Dislike button...
Who TF needs criticism?
-This Video should have mentioned Norman, the Author of Empress Theresa,
who is so hyper-legendarily-bad at taking Criticism, as its HE who made everyone aware that
theres actually a Comment-Limit on Amazon-Reviews: 500! I swear, NO ONE knew that before him.
-JP, Critical Drinker and Hbomberguy resemble each other so hard; they do Criticism right.
-Krimson Rogue once said "Criticism - maybe the Best Tool ever!"
Thanks for reading my incoherent rambling. Here, have Cookie.
I’ve honestly only ever heard of readers attacking a writers story for the characters racism, political views, etc. Not the other way around. You learn something new with every Terrible Writing Advice video.
Go on a fanfiction site and you’ll see loads of this crap.
You should take advantage of dualism and make this same video from the opposite perspective: "How to give criticism"
"Today we gather in the memory of Billy, his final words were: 'Are you sure that was Jupiter?'."
This truly is terrible writing advice... Subscribed.
Its 2020 and this topic still relevant to this day