Tractor Tune Up Didn't go Well - Allis Chalmers D17
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- My Allis Chalmers D17 won't run. So I have ordered a carburetor rebuild kit and a tune up kit. I am going to change all the spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, spark plug wires, condenser coil, and points. Also I will rebuild the carburetor and give the antique tractor a complete tune up. But changing all these parts at the same time makes it hard to troubleshoot the problem when it still doesn't start.
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Great job. I'm 71, I used to go to my Uncle John tractor shop. I can remember as a kid seeing a tractor split apart. Now I know more than I did as a kid.
$200.00 in parts is alot cheaper than a new tractor payment plus the knowledge you learned.....priceless...Nice job.
Good job Evan, I admire you for taking on this project and not giving up.
It's so funny watching you experiment your way through and testing the terms, In the 60's what your doing was a way of life in the country. Really good job.
Excellent troubleshooting. Thanks for the info!
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I remember my father using a nail file on points.
that is funny you say that i always remember my grand father saying i need to file the points
You can actually still buy point files. I’ve bought new ones of fleabay. I believe NAPA (not a sponsor) still carries them.
Next time you're at the parts store get the gallon parts cleaning kit.
I felt your relief when the darn tractor finally started, well done perseverance for sure, good lad
Allis Chalmers is a very good tractor the old ones may have trouble but you can still work on it be careful of the new stuff
You made the first classic mistake (for an amateur mechanic) that's working on two or more things at the same time. When it failed the first try, you had no idea where to start looking.
The sweet smell of success!! Always good to know your way around your tractor, so all the extras, maybe not necessary this time, but get you higher up on the learning curve and will help you trouble shoot in the future.
Happy for you!
Well job done!
Good job Evan 👍👍
The carb needle was definitely the problem. The original points probably just needed to be filed down. Lots of new parts are China made junk so use the old parts for as long as you can. Still, you got it running. Great job!
Also, be sure to use ethanol free gas and put some stabilizer in it. Cleaning out your gas tank and putting an inline fuel filter and shutoff valve may not be a bad idea.
Generally the old tractors had fuel shutoff and sediment bowl at the tank.
Cheers
Me Chinese me play joke me go wee wee in your coke!
You'll have a lot less trouble and cost with the Allis Chalmers than you would trying to maintain the mechanicals and wiring on a modern tractor. Service it properly, keep it clean, shed it always and it will probably see you out, old as it is. Col the cornstar's tractors are 30 - 40 years old and look and drive like new. He repairs everything and polishes them every year and they shine !
Kudos to you for solving the problem.
When it didn't start I thought about the difference in rotors. Shows how much I know .. or don't know. :-)
Nice job !
That's awesome. I love tinkering with old stuff. Trying to see if it will ever run. And the naysayers it will never run, trash it. All it needs is some TLC and yes even that gets aggravating every know and again just take a break and come back later and try again. Way cheaper than a new shiny one
Thats a good ol tractor.I enjoy watching your videos.
Good job of hanging in there. Remember, experience is "goof ups" that don't kill you. LOL
I appreciate folks who keep the old iron in working shape.
Oh how I rejoiced when that tractor finally started. Clapped my hands, stamped my feet, danced a jig. Well done.
I have same D-17, 10543 hrs. Use non alcohol gas, use lead additive which lubes valves. Check your sentiment bowl screen. My load jet is set between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 turns. It had to be spark or fuel. Enjoyed your video, brings back a lot of memories. I’m talking to you while watching, check this or that. Get another set of points, once you file them, they burn. Good learning experience for you. Good old tractor. Thanks for sharing.
Remember that these old gals have solid lifters. Do not forget to set your valves.
You should go to Tractor Supply to get an I & T manual for your tractor.
I&T manuals are the Bible for old tractor owners!
Points usually need to have contact surfaces cleaned when installed. You need to put some grease on the back side of the rubbing block where it rides on the distributor shaft to prevent wear.
non-electrical grease, on the shoe of the points
Glad you got it running
Good for you buddy. You always save money when you do it yourself, a little trial and error but, thats with anything!...Nice job.
Completing projects like that are very satisfying 🤙
GOOD VIDEO ENJOYED IT
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing your efforts with all of us.
Good job.
Evan, great video. Love your channel
D17 sounds great, new subscriber here binge watching your videos, love how you keep things real...keep on keeping,on.
Well done!!you have bigger ones than I have for even attempting it.
Congratulations and thanks for showing us.
Rod
Brings back memories of my father repairing the carb of our BF Minneapolis Moline on the kitchen table. Every spring he had to change the gasket. He eventually ended up using one of those old cardboard coke containers and it worked.
Excellent video . You're a better man than me . There is no way that I would have the patience to do something like that . Changing points . Brings me back to old days when cars had points . I would have used that new axe on the table and let that carb have it . LOL Better yet I'd tell my dad he needs to buy a bigger tractor and I know of someone that would buy his old one . LOL You can hear the rain hitting the steel roofing . It's loud .
Again, love the videos and enjoy watching you two working side by side. It's refreshing to see a couple doing what makes you both happy. Keep up the great work and best of luck in the future. Chris from Brenham Texas.
I appreciate you taking the time to film everything, even your struggles. I am getting ready to do this on my 1962 A/C D-17 series 3 next weekend after my parts show up.
Great job 👍
Evan, I'm proud of you. You have no shortage of instenal fortitude! You find a problem and jump right in to fix it. Good job! 🇨🇦
Oh the joys & aggravations of working on old equipment. LOL Glad to see you got it going. Stay safe.
Great tractor repair, the mistakes make it a better vid, the more you work on it will make it your best friend and look forward to see you running all those attachments with the old girl.
Enjoyed this video ty
Wow. I really enjoyed the video with the carb and then getting the tractor going That was so cool. Thanks for the tips... great job.
Awesome video that’s no bad looking AC tractor I have watched some of your other videos you are making he homestead look good looking forward to the next video y’all stay safe
Great job! Way to stick with it and troubleshoot the problems!
You did good you learned from your mistakes that what life is all about. Real good thanks
Thanks I enjoy your work with the tractor
Hey! You got it to work!! Great job, even if there were some bumps along the way!
Best video you have made other than the fish videos and.the barn videos. Congratulations! Good work!
Good job good luck
Glad you got it going. We just spent 20.00 on a seal that doesn't belong on our tiller, even though it was supposed to fit. Lol The at home mechanic struggle is real! Great video.
Good job!
Good job, seems like I remember my Grandpa using a small piece of sand paper on the new points before installing them. Looks like you are taking away some useful knowledge from this
Glad you got it running, I have to tune up my old TO35 Ferguson so I feel your pain,
Do not know where I heard it or learned it, but somewhere along the road of life,
I was told after you install the points, take a thin piece of cardboard, like a part of the box the points come in, drag it between the points, this action cleans some type coating off the point contacts,
Again I do not know where I got the information,
Good job on getting it running,
You did a great job . I rebuilt a carb from a WC years ago
Great job ! Shouldn't need to file all new points yet not a bad idea !!!!! Happy to see you got it going !!!!- i have a d14 that probably needs the same love and attention !!!!! Thanks for the inspiration to get er done !!!!!! Love your channel !!!!!
Good morning Evan and Rebecca, patience is one of your best tools. Searching out the correct way takes patience. The wrong parts get costly. We all have lots of extra parts on hand that don’t fit what we own. In the end you have the tractor running and that’s what matters. Sure glad you were able to save the carburetor and fix the points problem. Both have to be precise and then they work so good. Close only works in horse shoes and hand grenades 🤗. Thanks for sharing with us and glad you came out on top.
Thank You for the information on points, I’m having the same problem with my wd.
The greater the frustration, the greater the satisfaction when you succeed.
Love the old Allis tractors. We threw a timing light on our D17 and D19 after new plugs and points....made a big difference on how they start. Hit the key and fires right up without grinding the starter. Congrats on your victory.
The points problem is quite common today. Also you need to put a little lube on the distributor cam to prevent rapid rubbing block wear. There is a special grease for this. You showed real determination Good Job for a first timer.
awesome tool wall in the background in your work shop....
one of the best all around tractors you can get , and easy to work on
Glad you got it running. BTW those new lights look like they are working out well.
I spent a lot of my first 30 years on a tractor with a loader just like that one! Always like the D17' s. Finally got a skid loader it was so much easier and faster to load with.
My first car was a 1964 Chevy Belair. I learned how to tune it up, myself. In Junior high I took small engines, I learned so much. Love watching your video. I never herd o points having a coating, but they might do it now to extend the shelf life.
Nice sequence of walking us thru the repair steps. "now lets see if that will start" Nope.. now lets try X and Y ..
It makes for a great show!
Cheers Mac
I enjoy your videos Evan, Thanks. I grew up in Illinois on 186 acre Farm. I now live in Florida and just bought 28 acres in GA. Going to plant Hay as well. Keep up the great work.
Our AC model WC had an updraft Zenith carb too from 1939ish. Enjoyed this very much.
Good job working through the points. I gave that up for the electronic ignitions only been disappointing once in the last 18 years.
Glad you tried to fix it yourself.
I'm impressed with your attention to detail and the concept of filming everything as you disassemble and rebuild. As for your mistake with the very small needle valve... Its all part of the learning curve(s). In the end I suspect you'll be pleased that you "over engineered" your repair job as you now know what's available, what works and what might need tweaking before its perfect. You done good!! Keep 'er up!! That ole Allis Chalmers will most likely serve you well for some time to come.
Very good video. I had a similar issue with starting on a car, years ago. Turned out to be a bad condenser (brand new). So goes to show you sometimes the new parts are not perfect.
Nice job ! Gotta have a tractor runnin
AC used 2 different carbs. Marvel was the most common, but when I had an engine fire several years ago, the dealer put a Zenith on as he thought they were better on my 175. Also, last summer I put in 3 different set of points and every one was junk. I switched to electronic and wished I had done it years ago.
Yep, went thru the same issue on my old Ford backhoe. First with cheap points from the Rural King, then the good ones from NAPA. Finally bought a cheap electronic ignition kit from fleabay and my ignition problems went away...
great job I grew up with two d17 series 4 tractors in fillmore il great tractors
The series 4 were the holy Grail
It’s aggravating but you’ll know the old girl well and it’ll make troubleshooting easier down the road. My ‘53 Ford was very reliable but need a carb cleaning every now and then.
Nice job. I say if you plan on keeping it a while, you may as well upgrade like you did. so, glad it all worked out. I am impressed you did the carb rebuild. I am always afraid to jump into those projects. afraid I will end up breaking something that makes it worse instead of better. or.. would miss something so small yet so frustrating like the points that wouldn't work. grrrrrr.
Great job nice tractor
Wow I never knew how that stupid little spring worked for the needle and float. Now I learned something!
In my mind, it is amazing to me that you can STILL get a carburetor kit for a tractor made in 1959 ... that's incredible. And sooner or later, all those parts you replaced would require replacement anyway ... so you got that done and out of the way. I know this was a frustrating adventure. Just be glad it wasn't a major health issue like some folks have to deal with ...
You did a great job Just the knowledge gained was worth all the work. Karry On. Watch all Your Video's
I know nothing about tractors but I enjoyed your journey of repairing it. The smile of success on your face made it worth while.
Wow Evan! You can teach an old dog new tricks! Good Job, great video! I had fun watching you thru the whole process. It brought back memories of high school auto mechanics back in 1978! Lol My own OCD was screaming "Paint that damn carburetor before you put it back together"! Haha
nice job!
So the lighting still looks good
Next time you need to do that valve lash. Then maybe you have done that already ? I Liked this video. Thx.,
Tip for those old gas tractors. When done for the day Always turn off gas and run gas out of carb.
You might want to find an old dwell meter. When working on old breaker-point ignition systems, keep in mind that setting the points by gapping with a feeler gauge gives you a starting point. Dwell meters are available at flea markets and yard sales for pretty cheap. I bought my SUN Diagnostic Center, new, back in 1963... no doubt you can find one of those still working for about 1/1,000th of the price I paid. At any rate, once you get your engine running, then set the dwell angle. I'm guessing the spec will be somewhere between 37 to 43 degrees. Then you can set the timing. Take note of the order of the tasks... point gap, dwell, timing. Good luck on your new adventure. In a few years you'll be one of the few who still knows how a carburetor works.
My grandpa always files the points to where they are shiny and that’s what he’s always done
Also get a delco one wire alternator and convert to 12 volt system
Great job! I kind of cringed when I saw you working on both the fuel system and the ignition system at the same time (assuming that it would at least start prior to beginning). Believe me, I've made that mistake before.
As far as the points, I learned how to change/adjust them at an early age. My first truck (bought when I was just 14 years old) was a 1963 Chevy that had points, carb and a mechanical fuel pump. One of the best things that my father gave me was an actual shop manual (not a Chilton's or Hayne's manual common today) that had all of the information that I needed. Keep in mind, there was no internet or CZcams in the mid 70's so the book is/was all that I had (along with my father's experience to guide me). I learned how everything worked on that truck and did it all myself through my high school years.
I would love to find an older model gas tractor to resurrect and use on my property. It can be frustrating working on that older stuff, yet satisfying when you make it work.
I would like to thank you
Your efforts do not go in vain God bless you always keep up the good work your doing a great job
Perhaps you can let the people know that helpful critiques help everyone but bitter comments help no one
This just popped up on the same day I broke my 5020 Allis Chalmers. I had just reinforced the from bucket arms. I broke the back left arm then snapped connecting bolts that connect the front axle (4x4) to the block. I'm bummed, but glad to watch your build. Nice
5020 is a great tractor
Sounds really good, but looking like you could use a little bit of exhaust work keep up the good work gr-8 video 🤟
Good job, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, replacing the extra parts won't hurt a thing. I'm like you I think it was the carburetor. Great job.
Jimmy
You are doing a pretty good job, whenever you set up your point gap you should run a piece of white paper between the gap with the points closed. What this does it removes any dirt that you're feelers guage may have had. Also try to get the point gap as close as you can. If it off enough the gap can change the ignition timing. Have fun buddy