***Mechanical or Computerized*** What's The Difference? Which is Better? Let's find out the basics!
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Time to learn the basics of analog and digital sewing machines. Let's understand what they mean when they say the machine is computerized. Which one do you think will last longer? Let me know in the comments.
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I was impressed by your video today. I am a retired IT professional and electronics tech. I worked for Singer manufacturing for 12.5 years. I began in 1968 with the 600 touch and sew. In 1974 I was inducted into the factory as a field tech. They brought us at that time into the Elizabeth plant and took us into a special room where they displayed the electronics to be used in the first computerized sewing machine ever. I was stunned to say the least. I never dreamt that the industry would embrace that technology like it did. I left Singer and got into computers and digital electronics. By the time I was running Windows 3.1 the sewing machine industry had adapted the technology full force.. Your explanation of the difference to people I'm certain was very helpful to many. You are a blessed communicator and I pray God Blesses you forever. (and yes, there are many 2001s, 1200s, 760s, 560a, and 2010s still out there doing the job!):)
I have the Athena 2000. Wasn't that the first? I would have loved to work in that factory! Lol
I have a really nice computerized Juki and it drives me crazy. at this point it's just a really expensive buttonhole machine. I prefer a mechanical machine probably because I've been spoiled using industrial machines at work. I'd get a Singer 20-U if I had the space for an industrial in my apartment but I don't so I got a Singer Fashion Mate 237. that thing is an absolute beast. straight stitch and zig zag only, nothing fancy. no stupid plastic gears inside. probably could use it as a weapon if I really needed to
My experience with electronics makes me feel like digital machines can be made to last a very long time. The circuitry is very unlikely to suddenly stop working in several lifetimes, the electronic components that experience wear are generally standard sizes and are usually commonly available for those that know where to find them. So things like servos, reed sensors, thermistors, etc are all pretty easy to find and replace with a little knowledge.
I’d like to see a user programmable machine based on open source engineering similar to arduinos or reprap. Something like that would break the mold on realistic serviceable lifetime.
Thanks Wes, what I liked about your video is it explained WHY there are differences and HOW they operate. I feel more empowered to understand which machine to choose for a given task. Great video, thanks!
That tan japanese made model KZM on the shelf behind you at the start of the video... My grandma had one of them that is still in the family. I just picked up a 70's Kenmore 158 for almost nothing and it's a tank!
I *just* realized that I have two mechanical machines and one electronic. I like them all for different reasons
This was a REALLY GREAT video. It's always important to me to really "understand" things when I make a decision. I'm about to purchase a second machine because of a single option/function that it has. Now - I think I may not make that purchase after all. But even if I do, I cross that line with my eyes fully open because of the knowledge you so kindly and generously filled me with. And the BEST wisdom of all was given at the end - "What works for me may not be best for you." I think that is the single most important thing you bring to the surface. THANK YOU ! ! ! !
I trust analog over digital as there is less chances of malfunction or out of place stitches and less error messages in between sewing! It has served me well and it is much easier to fix up though digital wouldn't be bad to use for very precise stitches! Very informative, made me brave enough to try out a digital one for once!
Thanks for sharing such a great video helping to learn more on analog and digtial sewing machines. I had a mechanical Jaguar 415 sewing machine with me for over 20 years and it is still working fine now. I loved the machine providing support for me during the covid stay-at-home period and helping to create so much fun and comfort when sewing face masks, bags, clothes and many other little projects for myself and family members. Take care too!
Did you know that Jaguar made quite a few of the Japanese-made machines that Sears used to sell? I have a collection of Sears Kenmores from the 50's - 70" and they are excellent mechanical machines.
And I agree with you - sewing and working on my machines kept me nicely occupied while we were quarantined. My husband doesn't understand, but he's a die-hard golf fanatic. So I once told him, sewing and sewing machines are my "golf". He rolled his eyes and said nothing, so I'm not sure he got it. But he hasn't bugged me about it for a while now, so maybe it worked after all!
I was rather surprised to learn how well-made the Singer Heavy Duty machine is and it’s good to know that so many of its integral parts are metal. I’d never thought of it previously, but obviously today’s plastics must be much tougher than those of 30 or more years ago. And of course, the Singer is WAY better than the $69 throw-away specials sold in big box stores.
I’ve been sewing for over 60 years (Mom got me hooked when I was truly little) and love both sewing and sewing machines. I have a collection including seven vintage Kenmores (my favorite brand), a White Rotary 77 (Mom’s machine) a 1980’s digital Baby Lock and two modern digital Brother machines, one of which weighs in at 46 pounds and has an exceptionally large harp for quilting.
Some of my vintage machines were acquired in excellent condition and needed little more than cleaning, oiling, perhaps new motor brushes and a bit of love. Others required a bit more work, but I enjoy it and have been quite successful so far. I can maintain two of my digital machines but the big one is so sophisticated that I let the professionals handle it. I had 25 years in the technology field and know how easy it is to “blow up” a circuit board if not careful. It’s a magnificent machine and I love all the bells and whistles it offers.
But my all-metal (and almost all-metal) vintage babies are a joy too - and they all seem to have different ‘personalities’ in how they work. I have a 158-1040 that LOVES using double needles and hums along beautifully when I’m sewing knits. My 158-1400 hates double needles but is a wiz at creating fast gathers. My 120-490 is a noisy beast which uses a chain rather than a belt and a 1.5-amp motor which, with the right needle, allows it to chomp through layers of canvas and such with ease.
The bottom line, for me anyway, is that both vintage and modern digital machines have their place; just as you said in so many words. Having a choice of which to use is best of all. I know that my digital machines will ultimately end up as recycling plant fodder but my vintage babies, if well-taken care of, will live for generations to come.
And no offense, but that wonderful little Singer Heavy Duty, as good as it is, will be long gone while many vintage machines are still humming away happily. And probably many of those will be Singer 201’s, a fabulous machine that I’d love to have if or when I can find one that’s affordable!
Your videos are WONDERFUL and a blessing for someone like me who eagerly absorbs every scrap of information on machine maintenance that I can. Thank you! And please keep making them!!
Plastics definitely have come a long way. The key IMO is really the discovery of glass fill which reinforces the plastic massively. Rifle magazines such as Magpul for example which are just nylon with a proprietary glass fill, absolutely dominate the durability of older Russian AK magazines made from bakelite. Also 3D printing expands the opportunities to duplicate plastic parts as needed which IMO further improves the useable lifespan over a machined metal part that one will not be able to easily reproduce unless one can cast zamak or has a small machine shop. In fact, on my mini lathe I replaced one of the zamak gears with a plastic 3D printed one and it is still going strong years later!
I’m not as sure. Having worked on electronics most of my life the inner workings of the HD machines aren’t really all that complicated.
The vast majority of components that can wear are very common in the electronics hobby so, I imagine someone with just a little soldering experience and access to sparkfun could keep an HD running for a very long time.
I sometimes regret not adopting my late mom's Elna. It must've weighed 6 tons and had cams to be manually installed to change the stitches.
If it's the Elna Supermatic (from 1952) it doesn't weigh a ton, because it's aluminum, not steel or anything like that.
This is a very nice video West ! I have a collection of about 25 machines from a 1910 New Home treadle, a Durkopp from the 1950,s with a wooden slide on table a bunch of mechanical Berninas, and a newer Brother Innovis. I like to collect and I have a fascination of the early computerized ones, Singer and others, and I have and use a few of them and I would only buy a computerized one in a new machine unless it is a serger or a specialized very heavy duty mechanical one.I like to take machines apart and see how they are made as well and keep them serviced ans working well. Thank you for your videos.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video! Great content, keep it up!
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing!
I'm not a dressmaker, but I have two analog or non digital machines.
Greeting,
I have been sewing on Bernina's sewing machine from 830 Record to 750Q and from 1901 Singer hand crank to 1932 (electric), since I was 6years young to now 62. I have a total of 14 machines and 1 Bernina Serger 2000DCE (mechanical). I was very disappointed and to find out I can no longer get computer boards for my 1630 and Artista.180E. When you think how much money you bought these machines for and how tough they are. I now have to sell them for parts. Breaks my heart. And for my 121 years old machine, no repairs just me cleaning and oiling. My computerized Bernina 750Q is my last one. Just for maintenance service $195. I am keeping my serger.
I have an 1130 that had motherboard issues. Bought a 1958 Favorit to keep sewing. Then 4 years later, found that motherboards can be REPAIRED! Yay! problem solved. Repairs cost more than the Favorit did, but I bought the 1130 before I had kids, and it's been very faithful.
Great presentation!!! Good, usable information. Thanks!
An advantage to the computerized machines that was not mentioned is that many are universal voltage. Something to be aware of.
Thank you!!!! I enjoy your informational video. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Great video, thanks. I am considering a computerised machine from the singer heavy duty range. Do you think it would still live up to the heavy duty label?
Perfect thanks for sharing this knowledge.
I still use a Pfaff 2170 for sewing. The embroidery unit works, but I have newer machines with larger hoops that I use. For quilting & sewing though, I love the reliability and durability of my 2170.
Okay, now I have seen the video. Good explanation! Thank you! As a garment sewing teacher who provides sewing machines for my students during classroom use, I have had good luck and enjoyed using the analog Bernina (530, 730, 830, 1008) sewing machines and Singer Heavy Duty (4423, 4452) sewing machines in my sewing studio. I’ve also used Bernina computer machines (1130, 1230, 1090, 325, 475) with good luck. I have not had such good luck with Janome sewing machines. They’re okay, but don’t seem to hold up as well. My personal sewing machines are a Bernina 790+ for the features and the way the software works, and a Juki DDL 9000 industrial sewing machine for the power and accuracy.
Great vid.👍
I've worked in the sweatshops for years and love the mechanical machines...I recently bought a computerized one and Hated it so Give me the Mechanical any day! btw, after your review on the singer 4452 I went and bought one and it's great!! Thank you :)
Yeah, really I don't understand the appeal of computerized sewing machine. If you are going to spend that kind of dough, it would only make sense for something like getting a machine specifically for embroidering patches or something. If one wants the convenience of quick thread changes, you can just buy multiple analog machines. Maybe it might be good for making doll clothes or something where the stich matters, but I primarily make functional stuff.
I can understand why you say that Dave. I have about 15 mechanical machines at this point (I think anyway; I haven't counted them lately! 😁), and 3 electronic ones. Of the electronic models, there's only one that I truly love, but it's not good for carrying back and forth to quilting meets - it weighs about as much as a cast iron Singer 201! But it does have VERY useful features for quilters like me. So as far as I'm concerned, you've hit the nail on the head. As one who worked in the technology industry for 25 years, when I buy a new computer, I buy one with the storage , processing speed, memory and any other "goodies" that I need for how I'll be using it, not because it's the latest and greatest. This applies to sewing machines as well, particularly if you're a one-machine person. (Unlike us wackos with VSMAD - Vintage Sewing Machine Acquisition Disorder). It makes the most sense to determine what one is planning to sew before acquiring a machine. I love my mechanical beauties and use them in turn to keep them running well. They can do a lot that my big electronic baby can, but not enough for quilting. Still, they're keepers and will still be running strong when the quilting machine is toast (probably longer than I'm around too!)
I agree, there are no creature comforts on this machine. I learned to sew when I was 7 years old on my great grandmothers turn of the century treadle and have always used basic machines which have served me well. I might go to a mechanical Janome at some time. I have this machine and for less than $200 I can live with some of its awkward ways.
Great now I know no digital for me also the fact I am very sensitive to emf and it’s the motor being so close to the body for hours any suggestions what has Low electromagnetic sewing machine e guess there’s the treadle option but thanks anyway
I don't have a computerized machine, but I do have a Singer Scholastic, and having personally seen how beefy the internal components are, I feel good about it. I also have a Viking 6430 that was made sometime in the 50s and a Necchi 537L from sometime in the mid-80s, but that last one has issues, so I don't really use that one very much. The Viking, on the other hand, works great for its age. A little finicky, but let's be honest, what machine from that era isn't? It's also got some really weird decorative stitches that I've literally never seen on any other machine, so I think I'll be holding onto that one for a while.
Hi! Do you have a link for those scissors you were using in the Singer unboxing?
Thanks!
Before I listen to your video, I would guess that analog lasts longer if the machines are of about the same quality in the way they are built; however, I think computer sewing machines can last a long time if they are used properly and tuned up by a knowledgeable technician on a 1-2 year basis, depending on how much you sew. I am a sewing teacher and provide sewing machines to my students for classroom use. I have used both analog and computer machines and have never had any trouble with either type. I do take care of my machines, clean and oil them often and have them serviced when necessary. Now I will listen to your video.
1970s electronics use thru board components that are far more durable than todays surface mount components. Surface mount components have run limits much like light bulbs. That is why boards are changed and not parts on the board. When replacement boards are no longer available, you have a paper weight. Digital machine don't just have a stepper motor, they have many. Those are the parts that tend to price repairs over new machines.
Surface mount components are repairable by hand tools, if they are available, but you must do diagnose to know which parts need replace.
Your videos are very informative and educational. Thank you! Also, Ireally enjoy the bible verses you run across the ticker at the bottom of the screen!
Recently I wanted to take my Singer 20yrs old just for checkup, oiling and was told it would cost $170 .... what???? so I'm tinkering with thought of buying a digital machine for mongramming function (alphabets) .
I have the HD 4452 and when they came out with the computerized HD machines I was considering getting one but saw a comparison and the computerized one didn't cut the mustard.
A donde viste la comparacion
Super informative. Thank you. I just purchased a Singer 6800c ...their computerized HD machine and it is still 'returnable' for the next 3.5 weeks.. Do you have any thoughts about it? So far I've found it is really labors sewing through 2 layers of sofa seating leather (fairly thick stuff) along with a piping covered in glove thin leather ...so 4 layers of leather ...2 thick and 2 thin. The stitches get short, the machine gets noisy at the needle end, and it really struggles and sometimes just stutters until I help it by manually turning the wheel.
I have a 'REX 607z' which can do it so I'll use that for any 'upholstery' projects. It is a poorly machined beast on which I've had to adjust every moving part and even shim and file out the presser feet so the needle would not slam into them. Works OK now though so can use it for the small amount of leather sewing I do.
I had planned on getting down to ONE machine so I sold my Brother CP7000 and upgraded the Singer 6800c, holding off selling the Rex until I tried out the Singer.
You had mentioned in your review of Singer Heavy Duty machine that you were planning a review of the digital and I thought you meant the digital Singer HD like my 6800c. Are you still planning to do a review of that particular machine or did I misinterpret? If you were closer (I'm in Winnipeg) . I think I'd pay and challenge you to get my Rex working really great. It runs nice and quiet now that I lubed everything with Marvel Mystery Oil. Wow ...did that make a difference! Wonderful stuff in my experience. But alas, classifying that as a precision machine would be like authorizing chain saws to be used for brain surgery!
Anyway, keep up the good work. Really enjoy your vids.
The fewer plastic parts the better. I have a mechanical janome 6919qc but part of the needle plate is a built to fail plastic that keeps cracking. I am now looking for an all metal with a built in needle threader.
Just watched two of your videos on the Singer heavy duty machine. I would like to know what you think of the new Singer HD6600 computerized machine. I just ordered one and love the combined amount of stitches on it and the heavy duty features. Since this is a fairly new concept in heavy duty machines I was skeptical of buying one. Please advise? Thanks so much for your time. I tried contacting you by email, but it did not give any place for contacting you .
How do you like your machine so far? I bought one last night from Walmart and looks like Joann has the HD6800 I am comparing it to.
Now I know why I drive a manual transmission truck. Less to go wrong and robust as heck. As for my go-to machine, it's a 1972 Kenmore 1410; NO plastic internal parts and very simple to operate. Can we say reliable.......yes, yes we can!
My CG singer sewing machine the needle bar is loosing. Even it's been screwed tight, it still can move around. So that it hits the bottom sewing ring. How can it be fixed?
I disliked my computerized model because every time I came to sew over a previous seam it would stop and give me the machine jammed code when it wasn't. This is a humongous problem for garment sewing.
Hello, how are you? I have a sewing machine from the brand FINESSE and it is zig zag but the zig zag is not working, I have been trying for a long time and I can't find a solution, I don't know if I can send the photos to be able to help me.
Dude. What are the hopes of rehabbing A Husquvarna Designer I? It stopped going into reverse stitch. I found a pcb and I'm fairly mechanical. Got a guess?
I'm trying to decide which machine to buy. My options are Singer Fashion Mate 5560 and Singer Heavy Duty 4423. I just want a machine that can do everything you may need to fix clothes and start making my own clothes. I don't want a machine that cannot sew determined types of fabric but able to cover all the ordinary needs. Pleas HELP
I need repairing my electric toothbrush because its soft rubber like plastic torn apart after three years use. Plastics are not long live. Earlier my headset torn apart after couple years use. In sewing machine, silicone oil might be safer, because plastic eater microbes not grove in it.
I have an older mechanical Necci but having trouble with loading the bobbin it keeps jumping back to the left after I try to load it with thread🤔
It should be very easy to find the cause of the problem and fix it.
On my older made in Taiwan Necci with the top mounted bobbin winder, there is a cam on top with a tightening screw that adjusts how full the bobbin needs to be before the finger jumps back to the left. Under the cover (only one screw on mine) a rubber wheel rides on the hand wheel, and spins the shaft. An A shaped spring applies the tension on the finger. The mechanism is designed to open fully when pushed open past a certain point. Possible problems there are the spring has worked loose, or broken. I don't think your problem is a worn rubber tire. If the rubber tire is worn, the bobbin shaft would just slip.
You should be able to push on the finger and feel good spring tension and the light switch like snapping action with no bobbin in the winder. If not, look at the spring under the cover. Otherwise see if that cam screw is loose or the cam just needs to be turned a little so that it pushes less on the bobbin spool.
If the spring has broken, then look for a replacement on line at a sewing parts supply or ask your local repair shop. Many older Asian machines use interchangeable parts which can still be found. Good luck!
The 9960 I purchased new in 2014, stopped sewing forwarad in 2020. Can't blame it on the virus, just made that year even worse.
Would anyone suggest a singer HD 6700?
A bit distracting and a little odd to have bible verses on the bottom… I just want to learn about sewing machines :( good information otherwise. I loved seeing them without the casing and that’s good to know that an analog machine can keep going despite there being a problem and to be wary about that
Hmmm... I don't find it odd to share a little scripture in a video. I must agree, though, that it was a bit distracting, but that's not a complaint. I was trying to listen to him AND read the scripture at the same time, which didn't work out well because I was more into the scripture than I was into listening to what he had to say. My solution? Read the scripture, then click back 30 seconds and continue watching the video. 😁
juki hzl 12z-??? q opinas de esa?
Please, how do I convert an American digital sewing machine with 110v input power supply to a 220v/60hz power supply? Thank you.
You can change the power or change the motor. The power conversion is considerably more complex than a plug adapter, but the good news is that there are a lot of maufacturers.
bro, which machine made totally from metal. no plastic parts and no belts except for motor belt.
If my mechanical Singer motor stop working, I can put hand crank in it knob and continue sewing. My profession is automation mechanic.
Mechanical ones forever.
I have a digital machine making a “knocking” sound- Yet it keeps on sewing-What could that be?
Time to take in for clean/ adjust. You get your car tuned and maintained? Sewing machines need that too.
They can drift out of adjustment, which is likely your knock. Get it fixed.
Thank you- will do!
@@anniecortes6450 Did you do it? What was the problem?
@@ike7539 I changed the needle- and cleaned below the feed dogs …no more noise!
You have to ride an analog machine into the ground over many years to see wonky stitches. Why you get it serviced every few years.
Love the script.
Analog. Why? Because it'll still work if the power's out.
Thank you God bless 🙏🏻
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Why is cleaning/oiling maintenance for sewing machine so expensive?
If you watch my videos, you will see that working on these takes a special skill that not everyone has. Also, it takes many hours to fix one machine. What would you expect to make as an hourly wage plus the required tools and monthly rent. Unfortunately this is a space where it may not be worth it for inexpensive machines and we end up contributing to the disposable lifestyle.
@@SewingMachineRepairGuy , totally understand your position and i'm always thankful and awed by people in business catering to us (mostly because of high rents and less profit for the renters); that's why i wish a person like you (mechanically minded esp. sewing machines) was my neighbor and i'd pay him $$ just to check over & oil my mechanical machine.
Da coraje cuando uno ve un video y solo habla ingles, por lo menos ayuden con la traducción en español.... En los subtitulo.. Que también sale en ingles... 😠😠😠
Mechanical is better!!