S3#8 Beached As!!! Don't buy a boat till you see this..... SAFETY AND LIFESTYLE benefits...
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- Join Barefoot Doctors Sailing as we share the unknown secret benefits of beaching and shallow draft boats.... We are "gobsmacked" that so few people understand all the benefits and why so few brands offer these options.
We take you through the benefits and risks of beaching your boat - monohull and catamaran and how to do it successfully... After you have experienced the benefits, it is like sailing a catamaran after being on monos - you won't want to go back!!!!
Make sure that you watch this video before you buy a boat because you need to make that you do just buy what is available but actively decide what you want in your future boat and make sure that you get those features.
More importantly, there are many safety features in yachts that the usual brands completely ignore and sell essentially highly vulnerable yachts with high risk features such as:
- watertight bulkheads (that are not actually watertight)
- inadequate air tight voids (so your boat will sink if holed)
- bilge pumps that are so low volume they will not help when holed
- bilge pumps wired so they stop working when the hull half fills with water
- inadequate fire suppression systems
- no fire ports
- ability to sit on sand if dragged
- ability to get into safety of rivers or shallow bays to escape hurricanes
- and much more
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I could not agree more.
Once your seamanship skills are developed most events are controllable.
What can't be controlled are other boats. Seamanship skills vary greatly and a thunderstorm in a crowded anchorage can quickly become a nightmare.
Exactly Larry!
WOW! 😮 Thank you John and Ellie for introducing us to the advantages of a shallow draft on a boat! Never would I have thought about the accessibility to such beautiful destinations only reachable with beach able catamarans. I can see so many advantages. I’m so excited to visit these hidden areas “virtually” with you both! Thank you again for the most excellent tutorial. 🥰
Glad you enjoyed it Mango!
I watch a lot of sailing channels and the information covered in this video is pretty unique.
Thanks Tim, glad you found it interesting! Yes we are surprised so few people seem to now about it....
Growing up in UK with +15’ tides , beaching and running aground was part of life.
Old long keel boats would dry out on steep shingle banks and anti-foul , one side at a time. We used to dry out mid season with out deep keel boat mid-season on ready made posts to anti foul. Many English boats have twin or bilge keels and live on swinging mooring and go high and dry every tide!
Cheers Warren
Thanks for the info Warren and for following. Yes the UK (and Brittany) sailors are well experienced in the big tides and drying out but hopefully the understanding will spread more broadly esp for the Bahamas...
Another informative video. When I was younger we had a shallow draft boat that could beach and that was fun.
That's great, Prof! Thanks for watching and obviously you're going back to some of our older videos!!!
What with the mosquitoes and other humidity mud rich soils insects?
Thanks for watching and for the comment Jan! Several people have mentioned the possible problems with mozzies etc but really we have not had too much trouble to date. Insects only bother you on still nights so for those nights you can anchor out in the water away from land (as it will be calm anyway) but when the wind is blowing and you NEED the protection, the mozzies will be hiding away from the wind too so they will not not be a problem at that time.
Also the insects in seawater mud and sand do not seem to fly but the insects come from the plants or mangroves on the land.
Great video! And yes, I had both and will definitely go for beachable next time!
You should and we are sure you will be happy with it Jero!
Excellent episode and great explanation with real examples...
Thanks Doc!
Thanks! Let me add a couple things to your "obvious" features list. I'm amazed that these folks on monster multi-million $ O55/O5X stress about a few extra kilos of tender weight. Especially on an "expedition" boat, you want an "expedition tender". (a) engineer the rear of the boat to handle as big of a tender as you'd like. (b) don't limit us to a 3.6-3.8 meter tender (c) make it easy to launch, board, and re-hoist in chop. I'd go so far as suggest you challenge Portofino to engineer you a modest weight tender that has a seriously sharp angle of attack on the hull to slide through chop. It's all well and good when we take off in the morning in flat water to that remote beach or dive spot, but the wind comes up in the afternoon and we beat ourselves silly for an hour getting back to the boat.
I love the forward cockpit concept and many manufacturers tout their "large drains" and emptying time. But especially for a metal boat, why not just make the entire floor of the front cockpit one big grate that is all drain? you can put some reverse scoops underneath to stop splashing up.
One last one. Side decks are nice, but often seem excessive for what you really need - especially compared to what is completely workable on a mono - and if you have a front cockpit, they are less important. Make the house wider and use that extra space - see the Chris White A47, the house is super wide and you can make use of that interior space. (shelf space, light into the hulls, storage, plants :-) ?
Thanks the all those good points Mark! All excellent detail. Raffaele has talked about a grate as you suggest in the front cockpit so the water runs away even better and nice points about the reverse scoops..
The heavier tenders need the davits / lifting platform to be built to that weight which is relatively easy but we have always gone for the lighter dinghy to allow us to pull it up the beach or over rocks on the shore ourselves when there is not suitable place to leave the boat in the water.
Good points about the side decks being relatively low value and the inside space being much more useful as well!
woooowww,very good info,thx !!!!
Our pleasure, D! So many folk are not aware of this and just accept the big brands fixed ideas and fixed keels / unable to beach options....
Great episode guys😊
Thanks very much Finn for the comment and for joining us on our journey!
Excellent episode. This is the first CZcams video I have seen on the topic even though beaching ability is such an important feature. It is almost like a secret nobody talks about. But as you pointed out, this opens up all the best spots all inaccessible to deep keelers. And I couldn't agree more about Hill Inlet. It must be the best anchorage on the East coast, possibly the whole of Australia. It is by far our favourite.
Thanks Tim for following and for your comments! Aussies often know about beaching but it is so unrecognised in most other places! Thanks for confirming our “gobsmackedness”!!!!
I’m sold! Being in places where other’s can’t go, priceless! And better sleep!!! ❤
Hi Jay, exactly - it is SOOOO GOOOOD! Glad you enjoyed it and hope you can enjoy that experience too!
I bet the time on your Mac26 remided you both on how much fun beaching is, i loved your adventures in your mac26m and purchased one a year ago, shallow draft and beaching is a major feature for me too here in North NZ.
Good to hear that Marcus! Yes once you have enjoyed the benefits, it is REALLY HARD to lose it!
Really good tips👍, It would been nice to see a sketch of the Portofino solution/design in terms of rudders and daggerboards etc.
Glad you enjoyed it MK and there was a diagram of the centreboards in an episode or two back and the technical rudder kick up designs will be shared later.
Another excellent video! so educational, thank you for sharing your experiences! Could you maybe compare/contrast the Garcia Explocat and the Portofino one day?
You are very kind Derek - thanks a lot!
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Thanks for that info - sounds good!
You have a beautiful quest ahead of you. What has helped me tremendously is to remove the emotion from the purchase and make it super rational through various ratios and hard numbers. I created an Excel spreadsheet of important factors and weighed them accordingly. I also established a maximum budget and looked at how far I could stretch the manufacturers to their maximum capabilities within the budget. The Excel spreadsheet now consists of approximately 40 performance indicators, such as certain length and weight ratios, as well as building materials and much more. In short, remove the emotion from the purchase and it becomes much simpler. Best from The Netherlands!
Yes that is a really good way to go! We did have a list but not quite as technical as yours and we were struggling just to get the REALLY IMPORTANT things made for us. SO when the polars showed promising results, we were very happy that there was a solution for us!
Hello Doc's out of curiosity what is the largest sized boat you can safely beach? Such a great feature and your so correct very few builders offer this.
Thanks Arthur and good question! Size fies not limit beaching but rather draft. The tide has to be big enough to sit the boat down and then float off again. Really big boats are usually steel or AL so are built strong enough…
Great vid' guys, thoroughly enjoyed it. I like my Mono's and unless I bought something with bilge keels, about the only boat I'll ever beach is my Tender! Speaking of tenders, someone mentioned about one that could cope with chop etc. I've tried RIBs, Polycraft, Tinnies etc. We now have a N.Z. built SmartWave 3.5m fitted with a 15hp, soon to be 30hp. We love it, sure, it's reasonably heavy but it is unsinkable, planes well, 23knots two up max' speed and is a dry boat in a chop (within sensible reasoning) I have had it outside when it was white capping, sensible use of the throttle, we stayed dry! The flared bow pushes most of the water to the side. Pulling it off a beach one up is not going to happen, maybe some fold up wheels in the future! Keep up the good work and hope you guys get well soon.
Thanks for letting us know Tex and we hope everything is going really well for your endeavours too!
Interesting discussion and good points raised, one further consideration about beaching a boat would be having few people around. Take care
Thanks again for your support, Ian and you make a good point - you are right, we can get to very private places with no-one around....
Add one more benefit to the list: antidote to nervous, grumpy skipper syndrome. 🤣🤣
Good point - thanks!
What a great episode Eli and John!!! Loved it! I've always hated beaching my boats as I then knew I'd have to get off the damn thing and risk stepping on a stingray, the buggers which I've come close to doing a couple of times. Make sure you splash about before putting your foot down! My brother got nailed by one once and it was not pretty. You are correct though. The manufacturers are only producing boats they want to build - not the boats that people think they can ask for, and so consequently they don't try. Of course, cost comes into it to some extent, but if all manufacturers started building all the bits that you want then the cost would come down and the standards would go up! How's your knot tying going? I know you're going to pop a segment in - When? Could you also consider re-stitching by hand a sail that has popped an eyelet/ring, as an emergency fix type scenario. What is needed? How hard is it? What to do to make it last till you reach a port? etc. Perhaps other maintenance issues like: keeping furlers, winches and pulleys freed up might also be good.
As always, I love your work. Fair winds and Following seas to you both. OH ! we have another good 'beaching" spot down near where I live at Cronulla, Sydney, so if you ever get you Portofino back this way, pick me up and I'll show you where it is...and some other stuff/spots you might be interested in too.
Great points Garth and thanks for the offer on your beach in Cronulla - that would be really nice! We'll keep your suggestions in mind and usually show what we have to do but hopefully those can be covered anyway!
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Fantastic insight. I understand the safety factor during storms, but what happens if you have a large storm surge? If your boat lands up high and dry on land after the storm, the are no heavy equipment on remote beaches. Love you guys!
Good question Lourens! Even if there is a storm surge your anchor should hold you when you started and after the storm surge passes you will lift off and land at the same levels of tide.
However if you drag anchor during a storm and end being pushed up the beach at high tide, then that could be a potential problem - see our S2 episode with the McGregor 26 "When will we get off this beach?" or something like that...
U make sure uv got a bloody big shovel on board, an just thank the universe ur not ripped to shreds on some rocks or reef somewhere. Like the Drs said, tie off up high to trees or embankment. 🌈👍
Thanks for the episode. Future Bluewater sailor here so love hearing all your experiences and advice before I buy my boat. I was set on a HH44 or Seawind 1370 before finding your channel. What are the options for shallow draft boats? (Or where can I find a list) Maybe Seawind 1600 if that can be sailed short handed.
Hi Clint, Yes a few people said that they wanted a list of reachable and shallow draft boats and interestingly the Seawind 1600 has both and we looked at it very carefully as it ticked a lot of boxes.... And yes the Seawind is set up for short handed sailing too!
Catamarans/ Tris that can beach :
- Portofino (obviously), Seawind 1600 (incl shallow draft) and the other Seawards with fixed keels can beach too...
Garcia (not shallow draft), Odisea, Rapido and only a few others
Catamarans / Tris that can't beach as far as I know :
Leopards, Lagoons, Bali, Outremer, HH, Kinetic, Windelo, Marsuadins, Neels (6 foot draft) and most others...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 wow, thanks for the great info! I’ll need to watch your Portofino progress very closely! Sounds roughly same price as SW1600 but with all the benefits/safety you’ve before mentioned
Interestingly theres a new channel where they are planning to build a Schonning cat but are planning on using a Basalt layer below the waterline for its abrasion resistant s and resistance to penetration. 🤔🤞🏼👍🏼
We were looking at Schionning designs before going with the Pescott Whitehaven that we built. Basalt under the water is obviously better than GRP but we are certainly happy with Aluminium...
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Have you ever looked De Villiers designs of NZ... They also have a range of designs for Aluminium performance Cats and steel and Aluminium monohull explorer yatchs.
Hi Family, it's me, ur Sister from another Mister😂 as per last comment , hope the vitamins are going down the hatch, not good ur both unwell.😩 life's research, can't beat it, ur both so full of intimate knowledge re: all things Sailing, navigation, safety and the list goes on, so when u say Shallow draft boating is an EPIC way to see the world, people they know what their talking about. I don't have a sailing boat, I have a 9m trailerable pontoon houseboat that I built myself and she can go into all of the shallow areas of enclosed waters and it's as the Drs say a lifestyle all its own. People always watch us and u can see them going, oh wow look at that.!
It's also a fab benefit when u have pets, they can jump straight off and do their thing, no getting the dingy ready, driving into shore, worrying someone going to steal it when ur walking the dog. I love it. I'm looking forward to the passage on ur friends 50, be safe, be happy, love yas. 🤗🌈🇦🇺 oh can I get, buy a Barefoot Drs Sailing shirt please, pretty please even.
Hi again Karlene - we didn't hear from you for 24 hours and were a bit worried! Great points about pets and shallow draft - we need to add that to the list.... Glad you are enjoying that part of boating life anyway.
We don't really have a "merch" shop but if you want one, we have those short sleeve white swim shirt type ones so let us know you size and we can see if we have your size... Our friend in Oz can mail it to you - send us your details to our email jmcintsh@tpg.com.au and we will link you to her..
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Oh how sweet, u both missed me. I'm afraid to say ur both stuck with me!! Thank u so much for the link for the shirt, I'll wear it with Pride. Oh and let me know when u both get tired of me saying how Awesome ur channel is, ok. Luv yas later. 😂🌈🇦🇺
Good on yer for leading the charge
Hi Mark, seems like you were th only one to notice it and certainly th first to make any comment about it! Is everyone else not that interested to force standards of boat building up?
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 I guess like everything in life that we engage/consume folks do so in a variety of different ways from passive through active and on to positive engagement.
Like your pro shallow draft craft - One con; You left out is the night time the moored near a tropical beach is pesty sand flys and mosquitos... SV Skoiern IV
Good to hear from you again John! Several people have mentioned this but really we have not had too much trouble with insects to date. Insects only bother you on still nights so for those nights you can anchor out in the water away from land (as it will be calm anyway) but when the wind is blowing and you NEED the protection, the mozzies will be hiding away from the wind too so they not be a problem at that time.
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Good to remain in contact... I'm excited for you both, as I like your boat project because of the detailed layout planning and changes. I have a couple who are good friends who have converted from a monohull to an Aluminum 52' Cat. They used to dine on my 15-meter Aluminum masthead cutter, which is a monohull. But now their cat is so roomy it's the preferred place to socialize, so now when it's my turn to entertain, I cook up a meal and take it over to their boat?
KRAZY! I know you mean well and all BUT; imagine the NIGHTMARE scenario if everyone and their cousins could get into all the wonderful excluded places in the world - they'd all be ruined!
It's the same with surfing - I've always sought the quiet breaks away from the crowds - and kept them secret (locals only)
Where I live now is a mecca for all the fashion-victims with all the gear who turn up in summer to be seen at the scene. But the best surf is off season when you need your hood and gloves - the posers are thankfully nowhere to be seen.
Many times in the past I've had to weigh anchor and leave a perfect spot because "new neighbors" have arrived with their music and jet-ski's, all night partying etc. . ...
Thanks for your comments Dan. Fortunately I do not think "everyone" or even too many people will get beachable boats as no-one makes them and also fortunately there are a lot more beaches to use than good surf breaks! Even when we are out sailing we have to go long way to get to good surfing spots...
Absolutely agree with the party boats blaring music at night till 3am and then going home to sleep all day - unfortunately that happens with the boats at anchor already.... esp in Italy!
My friend has a submersible pump with about 20 feet of hose which allows him to run his generator when it's on the beach.
That's commitment! Thanks for the info, Mike - presumably to run the AC as most other stuff can be managed with batteries alone. We hope to have lithium and be able to run the AC overnight without running the genset.
Hi Mike, it just occurred to me that that would be a perfect spare bilge pump and a fire extinguisher as well! Do you know the brand and was it 12V ?
Good one Docs... Prior to this the best i saw was Sea of Japan beaching his 50 odd foot wharram... He scouted out the spot previously ...
Boats built for beaching/drying out tend to be more robust in their hull construction..
In British shallow waters you have to watch out for Weaver fish... but stonefish and rays are something you need to bear in mind ... even an experienced naturalist can get it wrong ...like sadly the late Steve Irwin.
And then theirs small but seasonal potent jellyfish like Box and the Jehrangi ... ? Sorry thats a phonetic attempt at spelling it ...basically its tiny but excruciatingly painful and potentially leathal.
Thanks Clive for the comment again and you are right - the boats do need to be designed from the start to beach so the props and sitting down sections are reinforced.
All those nasties in the water are their if you beach or not and it is the Irakangi jelly fish that you are talking about - pinkie nail size and can cause death from heart attack in less than 30 mins.... Fortunately rare!
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Wearing footware in the shallows can help negate some of the problems like our weaver fish but you just have to do your homework and take good advice come the rest. 😉
Its still a magical world 🌍 where we haven't messed it about too much.
I’m sold. I want a shallow cat now 🥰
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Yes indeed, Chris - thanks!
Really enjoyed that, thanx. Any issues with insects being that close to shore or getting sandblasted during a gale?
Thanks Scarlet! Interesting thought about the sand blasting effect that I have never experienced or thought about - I think the reason is that the sand below the high tide mark is compacted a wet so does not lift off like beach sand does... So that is not a problem.
Mozzie Issues : Several people have mentioned this but really we have not had too much trouble with insects to date. Insects only bother you on still nights so for those nights you can anchor out in the water away from land (as it will be calm anyway) but when the wind is blowing and you NEED the protection, the mozzies will be hiding away from the wind too so they not be a problem at that time.
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 The sand blasting effect that I was referring to had more to do with loose material blowing off of the landmass rather than just the wet sand near the boat. Storm Debris. I was just curious if you would get hit by more of it closer to shore? I suppose the obvious answer is Yes, but it doesn't sound as if it's been an issue. Thanx for taking the time to answer my questions. I'm definitely a fan of yours.
Hi John and Ellie. Another great video. I was hoping for a list of cats at the end of the film that were beach ready... do none of the main brands allow their boats to be beached? Those long skegs are not designed for beaching? Rudders too long? Sail drives too low down? On a different subject I would love to see you do a video all about how to explore the Med from a Schengen perspective. As a Brit, thanks to Brexit I am in the same category as you Aussies! With Croatia now part of Schengen I wonder how you plan your Med cruises. I have researched it a lot and understand about the 3 month rule and the Schengen Shuffle (sadly not a new barefoot dance craze!) moving from counties like Croatia to Turkey, to re-set the clock. To make things more complicated, there is the digital nomad visa and many countries are allowing sailors extended visas to open their countries up to cruisers revenue. That’s just for humans! Then there is the boat issue of VAT and where to be Flagged! I know it’s not a sexy video, but it’s probably my greatest concern about sailing in the Med! Politics and rules! Damn that David Cameron... we should have stayed in the EU.. in my humble, sailing loving opinion!! Love to you both. ⛵️⚓️♥️🦶🏻🦶🏻. Ps. When is your L45 going back in the water for more barefoot adventures??
Hi Rob, I absolutely agree with you about the absurdity of Brexit and now all the Brits have to suffer the Schengen shuffle like the rest f the world!
Catamarans/ Tris that can beach :
- Portofino (obviously), Seawind 1600 (incl shallow draft) and the other Seawards with fixed keels can beach too...
Garcia, Odisea, Rapido and only a few others
Catamarans / Tris that can't beach as far as I know :
Leopards, Lagoons, Bali, Outremer, HH, Kinetic, Windelo, Marsuadins, Neels and most others...
The VAT issue is not hard because you have 18 months to get the boat out of the EU for only a day so that is much easier than the human part of the EU issues... I am sure you are already aware but the 90 days limit is in any 180 days so you have to stay out for the 3 months too before going back into the EU! Hopefully the cruisers visa will help a lot.
We are heading to South Africa to sail on a friends Leopard 50 from Cape Town to USA in April and then go back to our L45 for the rest of the summer season in the Med
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thank you John & Ellie. I really appreciate your reply and I am sure so will other cruisers. I didn’t know some of the seawinds could beach… I love the look of that new aluminium Odisea cat too, although still prefer the one you are getting from Portofino. That chap who posted the video about his Odisea design v other performance catamarans has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons 🤣 Seth from HH / Sailing family had a few comments to make!!! Hard to compare apples with apples when no-one agrees on how to measure apples!! Thanks for all the MED sailing comments too. I didn’t know about the cruisers visa. I will get googling! Yes the boat VAT is simple to overcome… for now! Let’s hope that rule stays. Cruisers should be able to visit EU countries as long as they live on their boats and are not trying to take money/benefits from each member state. The sailing from from SA to USA sounds amazing. Look forward to seeing those adventures unfold. Have a safe and amazing passage. Did you see sailing Florence’s passage from SA to the Caribbean? Looks like an incredible route across the south Atlantic with stop overs at St Helena etc. take care 🦶🦶❤️
@@rdholmes2007 Its a pleasure Rob. In fact I believe most Seawards can beach as they were designed in Australia where beaching is much more standard. Yes we have been following Peter from Sailing into Freedom and Sailing Florence as we will be following their path... Nahoa is also about the do that crossing and we might even meet up in Cape Town if they don't leave too soon!
The Cruisers Visa is still in its early days and uncertain about how it will be implemented but does have great potential....
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thanks John. Hope to meet you both one day, out on the water or at a boat show. 🙏⛵️
None of the catamaran sailing channels have covered the essential safety aspects of bulkheads and shallow draft weather evasion, as you "barefooters" have done, so thanks eh!. In your travels through the cat design world I see you found a solution to a rear deck lift, did you find out if anyone is designing a lift based on pneumatics instead of electrics/electric motors? It just that the whole stored energy question tends to be ac or dc based, and ignore the obvious large fire/explosion risk of lithium batteries in salt water environments. I think your Portofino? design has a diving/compressor room yes? Perhaps instead of alternators or generators on your engines, air compressors linked to air tanks and plumbing may offer a safer design philosophy? I cann't find any discussion about this concept. Grateful for any thoughts? Cheers.
Hi Pete, thanks for the interesting ideas and questions. Regarding hydraulic lifts, I am sure it is possible as there are hydraulic steering wheels and the principle is the same but I have not heard of any done like that. Perhaps it is that the hydraulics are used more for high pressure uses but will ask about...
The dive room and air compressors will be present but something has to power the compression and the 3 options are AC, DC and fuel as I understand it.... Has anyone created an air compressor directly off the the engine that works to operate the DC boat systems to get rid of the batteries? I have not heard of that yet...
wow only 60cm (2f)draft. Do you get lower insurance? Can you sail in stormy weather areas and keep insurance that isn't crazy expensive? Sailing would have been a dream life for me, who can't stand a lot of people. But I don't think I could because of seasickness. So I would have been stranded most of the time ha ha
HI Magnus, unfortunately the insurance is not lower and the cyclone areas are still excessing expensive.... Sorry to hear about your seasickness limiting your sailing abilities. The Sea sickness does go away after about 3 days on long passages and some of the round the world sailors did be sea sick too....
Of the two previous catamarans I owned never had one I could beach. Never thought of it as a consideration before buying the one I have now.
Never had to think about the risks of having too shallow a draft as it pertains to heel angle and rotational force imparted by waves. Something you did not cover in the video. Answered in a previous video by having retractable keels. Always assumed retractable daggerboards because you kept throwing around the word "performance" around. Aluminum is a consideration for weight , and once your previous catamaran turns into a Viking burial ship. Nothing Spartan about that catamaran. Was able to follow all the modifications made. Manufacturer lost me as to why the DC vs AC genset was needed. Perfectly obvious when you throw that much into a catamaran. Way over the $1 mil US dollar mark. I'm happy for you.
Beached a pontoon house boat in the Grand Cayon once. People getting on and off the boat was a hassle.
Open to new ideas always. Not going to ever be far away from the boat off a secluded beach anyways. Nobody around means nobody around to complain about the eyesore in the eyes of many beaching a boat might be on a pristine beach.
Thanks for your long comment Loki and glad we have started your mental cogs turning! Heel angle on cats is unaffected by draft as it is created by the floatation effect of the hulls far apart from each other only.
The centreboard that rotates up compared to the daggerboards is a decision related to limiting damage if you hit the ground and both are equally good for performance.
The AC / DC generator issue is that in one hour of running the engine you can put 7.5KW power into the lithium batteries but with an AC generator you are limited to only about 200- 400W depending on your charger. So you have to run them for 10 hours or more to get the power of 1 hour with the DC generator.
The boats on a beach are an attraction and many folk come and photograph the boat as it adds added interest. In Mikonos, we had thousands of people photographing our boat (close to the beach) in sunset as it was such a gorgeous sight. Being beached means you don't hav veto use your dinghy to get in and out but at the end of the day, it is a personal choice and each one of us makes up our own mind.
Many great points! Hope to experience beaching someday.
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Glad you liked the video and hope you do get to enjoy the benefits one day!
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Thanks Billy!
When you beach your boat what happens about the propeller?
Thanks for the comment P Bear. Any relation to the one from Paddington? The prop is above the grounding level close to the rudder at the stern so is never on the sand.
How does the draft affect stability/safety in heavy seas and what about performance ?
Thanks David for the question and for following. Stability on cats is created by their two hulls being apart and their floatation resists the heeling pressure. So shallow draft does not affect this at all.
Mono hulls rely on their keels to rotate outwards and the weight then provides the resistance to heel so the deeper they are, the better they work. With cats, the further apart the hulls are, the better they work...
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Another great video! Which are the maximum draft to be considered ed a shallow draft boat? In the Med we probably don't have tides (?)
Hi Claudio, that question is a bit like defining a "performance cat". My view is that anything under 3 feet is good because that opens up more places to get to... There is no absolute figure though.
00:48 Mmm - What words were cut out there. Haha
Yes JC - we cut out our usual "you said show!!!" banter which you've all seen before.... but the "this is our life" was spontaneous and unscripted!
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Thanks for the reply.
Mmm - the question was more of a joke. The reason I saw it, is because I follow you. There are many vids on sailing, and most of them screams of "making money out of this". Love your channel.
Salo drafts you get too much windwards push to the side. I.e you crab walk to much. You need a lifting keel for it to work on the sea and on the beaching
Yes the shallow draft boats have either a daggerboard that slides up and down or a centreboard that rotates up and down. You only need to have the boards down when going upwind and in harbours to prevent sideways drift (as you say) but the boats hold their course fine downwind and the resistance is less cause the boards are up.
I see that you Doctors are out of the box. I have an idea that is even further out of the box. Dynema is 9 times stronger than steel and it floats. Make an innertube/tire with rubber-coated Dynema that is about 2 meters in diameter then mount them between the hulls at the center of gravity. You can kedge the boat with anchors or with driven wheels this would be a skid steer. My 21,000 lb backhoe only uses 20 lbs of air pressure. Because these are not road tires they would be deflated and light for storage.
Wow, Rick - keep up the creative thinking! What an amazing idea! So are you thinking of using that to move around the beach or go over sand bars into areas that you would not normally have access to?
As a second thought if you took the inner tubes of a large truck and coated them with Dynema cloth and reinforcing netting of Dynema it would hold the shape of the tire perfectly.
Excellent video....but if being able to beach the boat means not having the creature comforts(weight) that's a pretty big sacrifice for a full time live aboard couple......hope we can have both
Thanks CB for your interest! Beaching is not only for light boats - so beaching does not lose any creature comforts at all. It is performance that is potentially compromised with weight…
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Awesome thanks for clearing that up....Hey since you are doctors have you ever thought about teaching people about the benefits of grounding?.....I kinda thought that's maybe why you are the barefoot doctors?
Great video. Design and quality flaws. Those are the 2 major shortcomings with all boats. Why? Cost. You are tossing the dice when you purchase a boat or RV from a production builder. As well, Phil Berman was fond of saying: Never buy a boat that you cannot repair yourself in Tonga.
Thanks Paddy again. Yes we like the beaching cause it allows us to be much more independent of the need for boat yards and lift outs - even fixing through hull fittings when they leak...
Hi, off topic ,
I was curious if you had seen videos from these folks since you previously had a new leopard catamaran .
czcams.com/video/MgaCqxSGXZs/video.html
‘Travel sketch’
They do seem to be having bad experience With their new boat
Cheers Warren
Yes Warp21, we have seen their videos and they seem to have been extremely unlucky and seem to have had multiple problems. The warranty claims with the big brands is usually very round and about and fortunately we have not had any such serious issues.... We wish them well hope their problems can be resolved.
We have experienced significant issues that are "unfair" as well with our claims and we work very hard not to let the negatives in one situation overtake other pleasures in th rest of our life - otherwise significant personal emotional and health problems will arise. I hope they are able to separate their frustrations with the boat warranty issues from their personal feelings so they can still enjoy their "journey".