The TRUE story behind “The Miracle in the Cornfield” - Ural Flight 178
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Within 90 seconds, Ural flight 178 went from taking off, to crash landing. Why were these pilots treated like heroes, and is it really what they deserved?
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Final Report:
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Admiral Cloudberg’s Work:
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Thanks to Drzewiecki Design for use of their scenery:
www.drzewiecki-design.net/ind...
Scenery:
UUBW Zhukosvkiy Beta-Version: AltayCompany
flightsim.to/file/46996/uubw-...
(UUBW) Zhukovsky International Airport (Ramenskoe) - Lighting system: ImPReZ
flightsim.to/file/30994/uubw-...
Engine Test: marioyhector1
• Real Flight video Boei...
Engine Test 2: Phil Requist
• Bird Ingestion Test
Passenger Images:
x.com/JacdecNew/status/116187...
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x.com/OnDisasters/status/1691...
STRINGER / REUTERS
www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fl...
Birds:
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Hilarious, I have listened and watched you twist yourself into a pretzel so you never, ever put any blame on pilots. I guess you don't feel the same way IF the pilots are Russian. LOL
Please do DHL 611 & BTC 2937 mid air collision 💥
Hi Captain, on timestamp 23:23, a dialogue subtitle belonging to 'Tower Control' is labeled as 'Phuket Approach' (magenta background, lower left corner), this is repeated several times until the end of the video. Other than that, keep up the awesome work, you guys are my main source of aviation understanding. I actually study your videos, going back and forth and pausing every time I need to understand some engineering or aviation detail. I enjoy my flights when I travel mostly because of your videos. Thanks a lot!!!❤🇺🇦
Petter, respectfully, whenever you use a (muzak) soundtrack, I tend to (have to) stop watching because I find it terribly distracting on YOUR videos. I can't be the only one who feels this way. Am I a minority?
Not the first time an Airbus managed to land itself safely despite numerous efforts from the pilots to crash it...
Hahhaa
Everything that Boeing does, only in reverse
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12😂😂😂
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12 🤣🤣🤣
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12 That's not actually far from the truth, because Boeing's design philosophy (aside from that MCAS shit) is "pilot in final command". If a pilot wants to crash a Boeing, the Boeing would let it be crashed.
Here's the sentence I didn't hear before: "The engine was subjected to more bird ingestion than it was certified for"... just like me during Sunday dinner😂😂
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That was funny Robski.😅😅
For the sake of variety, it really ought to be the case that both lambs and cows fly...Great comment
And pigs. Don't forget the pigs🤪🤪@@MichaelBrodie68
😂
In Soviet Russia, the plane flies you.
And thank goodness it does.
😂😂
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Did you mean "In Soviet Russia, the French plane flies you"?
@@deadlymecuryAirbus is actually build by a couple of countries, mostly France, Spain, the UK and Germany.
Comment of the day
This is why in Hungary on Budapest Airport they use trained hunting birds (falcons) to scare away birds from the airfield.
It's harder to "getting used to" something that eats you ;)
Ermm, i might have something wrong here, but aren't hunting birds dangerous for planes aswell?
Falcons are predators, they're smart enough to avoid engines.
@@KillertoastGaming they're trained dude, they get called back before any traffic. that's like saying "don't snowplows obstruct the runway?"
Many airports do.
I would gladly pay a Falconry Surcharge for my airplane tickets.
A-321 be like.. “enough of this bullsi**.. I’ll handle this myself”
enough birdshit
Why does the plane not warn about the extended gear after such a long time in the air and increasing speed?
@@EgonWiPilot verification of gear position in such a situation is sooo basic. Might as well eliminate pilots if another warning or automation for that is felt necessary.
@@bw162 There were countless other incidents where pilots forgot to put the gear up discussed on this very channel
@@EgonWi Because of alarm/notification saturation. The pilots here were already failing to deal with the ECAM messages in this situation. Adding another would not have helped.
24:29 Never ever I thought that I am going to hear Mentour Pilot swearing in Russian lol.
A true gentleman is someone who calls a bird "bird" even when it enters the engine of his airplane.
And with a really heavy accent, it sounds kinda funny
Paused to read comments to find exactly this HAHAHA
He will never understand what it means "to ruff your brass" (ёрш твою медь).
this was hilarious indeed
Your ability to explain and simplify Airbus systems whilst you're only rated on a Boeing 737 is underrated and you're probably explaining it better than some Airbus pilots. It goes to show the amount of work and research that goes into producing these high definition and quality videos that are unparalleled on CZcams spaces.
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As a coastal Scottish woman, I appreciate the seagull facts. One of our seagulls in Aberdeen gained international meme fame for walking into shops and stealing bags of crisps (chips). They’re very smart and understand humans need to open the automatic doors so they can gain entry, all to steal crisps!
I've seen that video, absolutely amazing to hear that this is a reoccurring issue with this bird! Do they have a name? I'll definitely have to visit to meet this seagull!!!
I like the recent video where it steals an entire sausage roll from a guy’s hand when he turns his head for a split second.
I was a school secretary and seagulls descended at exactly 4 pm, when the last kid pulled away. The custodians had much less work to do because of them cleaning up the outside eating areas.
I’m also a hundred miles from an ocean; they’ll go anywhere for food.
@@MetsterAnn It is common for them to congregate towards the end of large events, quite how they work out when it is ending is something that needs study, because they arrive just before people start leaving.
Here in Sydney, Australia, we have several species of birds that recognise the audible door closing warnings on our public trains and they will jump on or off to travel by train to the next station. Pigeons are especially good at this. They will jump off the train, grab food or at least look for it and then jump back on as they hear the audible warning message play.
Incredible when you think about it.
How many flying hours did the Seagulls have?😂
Seagull flying or seagull monitoring?
Probably more then both pilots combined.
@@essiebessie661 Brilliant!!!😆
Yeah, and the type rating is also important - rated for just flying or flying-and-shitting mode also..? 😅
@@WoodFamilyRu 🤣😂
I feel Airbus automation gets a bad reputation for not having the pilot fully in control, but this is one of those case-studies where I believe that limit to angle-of-attack actually saved the passengers
For every incident where an automated protection system made things worse there are 10 incidents that either would have been disasters or never even happened because of them... but we humans like our heroes and don't trust machines so the data never quite aligns with what we want to believe.
I flew a USAIRWAYS commuter just before they merged with American. We used to ask them about Sully, and they were admitted that he would have crashed that plane otherwise. That being said, Air France 447 Qantas 77 and a few others crashed or almost crashed because of that same system. It's had a lot of faults.
@@jhmcd2 AF447 definitely crashed not because of High AOA protection, because it was inactive due Alternate Law reconfiguration. They crashed because pilots were unable to recognise that stall upset they were in and recover correctly from it. Imperfect pitot tubes were just one hole in a cheese.
@@VergilAckerman was about to point out the same thing
Because we mostly tend to focus on serious incidents, we don't fully appreciate how much those automations help.
A-321: Well, Seymour, I made it... DESPITE your piloting.
LMFAO
"Is that your only remaining engine surging?" "No, its...the nice flambé we're having!"
@@Rasta8889 “it’s a Pratt and Whitney expression”
Gulls are great. They love facing into wind, meaning that they have their grey backs to you when you line up on the grey runway.
Clicked for Ural 178, watched for seagull facts
There is no such thing as miracles, just moments God missed the mark.
Seagulls are dumpster eagles
Despite living in a costal city and seeing seagulls just in a yard occasionally this is the first time saw fledglings. I guess they just as illusive as pigeon hatchlings
as a seabird rescuer for 20 years I can confirm they're very soft
@@MrMediator24 whaa-? They don't nest on your roofs and fall into the street on a daily basis in breeding season? I also live in a coastal city and see the fledglings all the time. They can't fly well and get run over frequently.
Turns out the real heroes were the flight control computers we had along the way.
I'd credit the programmers and designers of said flight control computers :)
In this incident our friends in Toulouse really saved the day.
@@justanotheraviator2357 Again!
This is like in DnD when the party continuously makes mistakes and acts like a bunch of idiots, but the DM has the mayor give them the keys to city anyway lol.
I've run some games in a modern fantasy setting before; I haven't had my players land a plane...yet...
True story - during a notoriously brutal module our DnD group was playing with about 8 players and a dozen high level characters (years of work), we reached the end of the module and did the dungeon crawling, fighting and puzzling stuff to wrap it up.
The final "puzzle" was a floor with colored tiles that changed each round. We had to cross it twice to get an item and then go back. Each round some tile colors changed and we were spending round after round trying to figure the pattern or significance of. All the while moving characters to different tiles, making actions, etc. Occasionally throwing a save roll. For probably a dozen rounds easily.
After moving on and ending the module that night the DM burst out laughing; it was a random pattern by dice roll and if you were on the color red it was "save or die". Dead dead.
We putzed around inside the trap while the dice just kept falling in our favor and we were all intact by undeserved sheer luck for long enough to get bored of the situation. Mr. Magoo'ed our way through the final bit.
@@RRVCrinaleyou need to run SpellJammer if you're running second ed (I think it can work with third ? But we don't associate with anyone of that persuasion 😉) DnD in space with its own lore, mechanics and items.
I wanted to run a campaign roughly putting our players and characters through Battlestar Galactica.
It's a really flexible framework and the battle mechanics include ships you build, battle and maintain, as well as the usual battle mechanics. Pick up the books or find a PDF of the originals (they're older now - our group uses Google drive with PDFs of stuff hard to find, they're out there digitally if you know where to look)
its called damage reduction.
just as the mayor is trying to get the party to move on to a different region with minimal damage incurred, the flight computers are trying to force the pilots to reconsider their career options without turning the plane (vehicle) into a plane (flat ground)
The captain of this flight actually decided to become a pilot at the age of 36, and was previously a lawyer :) Great video by the way, I had no idea about the real circumstances of this incident and I am from Russia.
Interesting fact about the Herring gulls, their scientific name is "those chip stealing bastards" 😂
Common name is "Shitehawks"
We call them flying rats
🤣🤣🤣
On a famous L.A. beach, they are aiming for fish, not chips. And not a cheap one either. Very well trained for the prizeworthy swoop, these were.
I remember reading the article by Admiral Cloudberg, and notifying your team of it.
I’m glad you got round to analysing it on your channel!
Glad you enjoyed it! I was working with Kyra in this one.
@@MentourPilot That was indeed great, thank you very much!
О, наконец-то выпуск про наших "сельхозавиаторов"! Спасибо, Peter! ❤
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Надо сказать Деноканю :) Denokan
Даа уж, не думал что всё так плохо у нас
ну то есть то, что мы все давно знали, Петер постарался, собрал это воедино и сделал понятным и ясным для ВСЕХ, даже самых тугодумов. Жаль только, что на русском языке, ни на ютубе, ни на тв мы этого ничего не увидим и не услышим. Они ж у нас "герои". Фильмы про них снимают.
@@freshname да, мне вот тоже захотелось поискать русскоязычные расследования, но не нашёл ничего кроме восхваления и превозношения
In the Miracle on the Hudson, Captain Sully called for APU start as soon as he suspected that both engines might fail. Starting the APU before the ECAM actions called for it ensured continuous AC electrical power and no ram air turbine deployment. As soon as the RAT deploys, there's no more Normal Law for the rest of the flight, even if the APU generator comes online seconds later. Without Normal Law, there's no Alpha Protection. Engine 2 is the hero of the Ural flight. This crew would have been in Direct Law with the gear down if they lost that engine, and they surely wouldn't have managed an off-field landing without fatalities if not for the computers holding alpha max. Frankly, Sully probably couldn't have either. His quick call on the APU was brilliant.
This. I'm so tired of people discrediting Sully, when a less experienced pilot wouldn't have thought about the APU, and might have made a completely fatal and failed decision to try returning to the airport when it was already too late to make it back safely.
Sully has zero chance of flying his plane, because he had zero engines. Meanwhile, this pilot crashed a functional plane due to a critical error. Sully managed multiple coherent messages to air traffic control, while this pilot only managed a single message with little information. Sully's copilot, Jeffrey Skiles, managed to complete the entire engine failure checklist before the crash, which investigators found difficult to do in simulations. Meanwhile, this copilot never managed the basic job of making sure the landing gear was up.
This flight was in an uninhabited cornfield, while Sully's plane failed in the middle of one of the most densely crowded places in the world. These pilots flew a straight line with no real troubleshooting, while Sully and his copilot made multiple navigational decisions to return to their original airport, then abort and make an emergency landing in the Hudson. Sully gave a brace for impact message to the passengers, while this pilot didn't utter a single word to his passengers.
There's a world of difference between these two crew members. Here, we see how an incompetent captain managed to crash a plane that could have flown, while Sully shows how many useful and important actions a captain can take in a handful of minutes. Yes, Sully didn't do everything literally perfectly, but here, we get to see a prime difference between a competent captain and an incompetent captain. I'm disappointed that people call Sully incompetent, when we have actually incompetent captains like this.
Is the moviesequence different from the report. Sully first saw both engines rolling back to idle, did the re-ignition procedure, that didn't work. We see lights going out in the cabin, and next thing Sully mentions 'I am starting the APU'.
On my birdstrike training instructor said “if it smells like fish it’s seagull, if it smells like chicken it’s another bird”
A'ight
Captain: why are you opening the window, what are you doing?
Me: Oh, I'm just gonna climb out real quick, try to get a whiff of the engine, gotta determine what bird it just sucked in.
@@Galatz_Tirah i'm assuming this is a joke but in case it's not, bleed air
So...all birds are "other birds" unless they smell of fish. The actual quote is hilarious!
I doubt you're even a pilot and definitely don't believe your 'instructor' said any such thing.
@@MichaelBrodie68 Let's go, let's confront a duck, that he is just "another bird" 😆.
Ok, so, I wasn't expecting mentor pilot swearing in Russian lol. Caught me off guard.X)
Haha! It has to be tried
Definitely that was not on my bingo lol!
@@MentourPilot nicely done, I have understood every word)
@@MentourPilot You should do this more often, it's very expressive no matter if you understand Russian, or not...😄
Starting 37:40 Phuket approach is answering😮
If you might still be thinking their psychological evaluations sound really bad, remember that this is "under stress" and thus is measuring adrenaline responses. Both pilots primarily showed "fight" behavioral responses, which is completely normal under the conditions they were in. None of the typical adrenaline responses (fight, flight, freeze/flop, fawn) are good for aviation emergencies, but also, *everyone has them*. People who perform well under stress often have specifically trained themselves or been trained to do so, and that just makes it easier to cope and focus, it doesn't actually prevent the adrenaline response.
As a pilot from Russia, I confirm that information about bird activities is an essential part of ATIS information. However, there could be no presence of birds at all. It is the only way for an airport staff to shift the responsibility for a birdstrike on a pilot or nature. So usually, we really do not pay any attention to this part of the information and do not include it in a briefing at all.
There are many more things that seem to be done not to provide safety but to fulfill the requirements of government, authorities, or some rules
@@tol31999So true, so true
US the same
Was fishing the other day and saw a sea gull that looked like he was 20 pounds overweight
Man had neck rolls
Thing was practically a turkey dinner with all that weight
Well that tend to happen when you are the biggest and meaniest bird around (poor pigeons).
aww maaaan, and you really finished the turkey dinner comparison with that roasting XD
@@mormornie hmm... roasting.... might as well try it. :D hmmm now to look and see what the recommended herbs are.
Christmas 2024. Squirrels in parks get hugely overfed since covid and beyond, make a decent starter?
@redboyjan my aunt used to feed the squirrels in the back yard peanuts. Like several pounds a week. The squirrels were fat and they would bury peanuts all over the place... there were random peanut plants sprouting. The neighbors hated it. I found peanut shells under the hood of my car
Additional reason for slow rotation could be that they flew A321. In Russian companies there is a wide known and applicable technique to rotate slowly and hold a bit at pitch 7.5 on A321 to avoid tailstrike, though this is not an official procedure. And the fact that it took 3 years since the accident for the report to be written is pretty much self explaining. After pilots were honoured, authorities didn't really wanted to reveal the truth about "heroes", but we, the Russian pilot community, knew that it was an Airbus aircraft who saved the day. And because of this very attitude of the authorities this very same airline had another forced landing because of poor crew performance several years later. Looking forward for a video about that accident from Mentour team. And thanks for this one.
It doesn't really hurt anything to allow the "heroes" to be heroes.. Everyone DID survive, and injuries were nominal.
@@MarinCipollina Unfortunately, prematurely conferring the status of "heroes" on these pilots meant that lessons were not learned from the incident possibly resulting in future accidents in which people _were_ injured
@@rustybrand8103 Presumably pilots have been briefed on the report, even if not released to the public. At least I would hope so, not to do so would be highly irresponsible.
@@MarinCipollina This report by the MAKS was never officially published and in fact it was brave by the Investigators to write it after President Putin had honored these Pilots with the highest available Honor of the Russian Federation.
@@MarinCipollina / We're talking about Russia here. A country not known for it's stellar record of integrity or of taking responsibility. Putin let all the men on the Submarine Kursk drown rather than let the US help.
Pioter, would you consider doing a video on the people who do the incident investigations? i am curious as to what sort of qualifications these super sleuths need to do this highly interesting and very technical work. It's one of those careers no one thinks about so you might be able to inspire some young minds! Your content, as always, is awesome. Thank you and your team. I do miss the lazy dog in the background though. Peace.
That would be neat. Though his name is actually Petter, and he is not russian. haha.
@@lordlundin6495 Must be the colloquial language skills that caused the confusion.
Long-time lurker here. I was hoping you'd cover this incident, Petter. A while ago, I listened to Russian pilots' perspectives on this particular case, but their insights were mostly speculative due to the lack of publicly available information.
As a sidenote, I used to only fly Ural Airlines until around 2016. In the early 2000s, while flying over Eastern Europe, our aircraft encountered a particularly stormy patch of weather, and the plane's movements became incredibly erratic (lots of abrupt nose dives and then climbs). All the passengers fell silent, essentially preparing for the worst. The pilots executed a forced (emergency?) landing, and fortunately, no one was seriously physically injured. Even today, I still can't tell you what happened, as the passengers were never briefed on the situation. This incident made me a nervous flyer for the better part of two decades, but I am in recovery now, thanks in no small part to your videos!
Tackar! Bra jobbat som vanligt!
And thanks to the team!
P.S.: My grasp of aviation terminology is still incredibly lacking, hence the edits.
Note to self: choosy fliers choose Airbus. I was unfamiliar with this accident. When you started talking about angle of attack, and the captain's inputs, my head went straight to the laws of physics, and I thought they were going to get so far behind the plane they'd stall it. Then you said alpha floor protection, and I was so relieved. Yes, Airbus was the real hero here. This accident radically changed my opinion on those protections.
Thanks for the great upload!
Airbus have their weakness too. Amongst those a tendency to stay on sidestick when that isn't enough, but yeah, Airbus Computer 1 - Pilots 0!
The Airbus stall protections were also crucial in saving the day during the “miracle on the Hudson”.
Look up Air France 296. The problem has never been fixed and is still in every Airbus jet. It's been linked to nearly 20 crashes. But it'd also responsible for the miracle on the Hudson.
@@jhmcd2 Which ones and what Problem exactly? Air France 296 was simply disregarding any safety rules in aviation and ups, they did crash. Yes, over the years, pilots did find many ways to pierce the protections. But where possible updates happen. But unless you want to remove the pilot altogether, pilots will keep finding ways to crash despite protections. Still, trying to autopilot a crippled craft, would likely lead to worse outcomes.
I think, and I may be wrong but, as I recall someone did the math about the number of people automation has "saved" and "killed" in airplane accidents, and the numbers roughly equal out.
90 seconds? It felt like a lifetime
Your enthusiastic swearing in Russian was blieting brilliant!
The amount of information you provide on almost all of your videos is astounding. So much that a pilot friend of mine has said that most new pilots should watch your channel on their free time to stay frosty. Keep it up Petter as you’re providing an amazing service.
Thank you so much! We do try..
Petter, you are absolutely right. The real hero is the aircraft. Airbus did a great job when they designed the fly-by-wire (FBW) system. Some critics say that the system puts the pilots out of the loop. Yes, it is great to have full control of your aircraft, but pilots can lose control if they are not properly selectred and trained, and then exposed to a stressful situation. There is no doubt that Airbus' FBW has saved many lives.
Indeed, and here it was probably the reason that this accident was survivable for all People on Board.
I must confess I first believed what is now discovered as a pure Propaganda Story and in fact a simple Lie: the Hero Story about the "Russian Sully´s".
It's also a good thing as many pilots, including this one, will try to keep the plane in the air rather than realize that it is time to fly the thing and try to land it as best as you can. This keeps spins and stalls and other ugliness from happening in those last few seconds.
As for mistakes, if you have a damaged engine, don't touch it as any change will likely make it worse. If you are still losing altitude, you're now looking for a place to land.
Stories how Ural land their planes in the fields can be a series 😅
it's true 😄
Yes, indeed.😂
And in both recent cases the landing gear was not retracted which led to the crash in the first place lol
Its the Claytons runway
They sound like the Aerosucre of Russia
Another great video, and better than the ones on TV. I was binge watching the other day and noticed you've not really done many historical ones, like from the 1950's, 60's, & 70's. It would be great to see you cover historical events with both what they had a the time, what improved, and what new safety features were added.
As a little side comment, I remember my mum telling me about a flight she went on for holiday before she passed away in 2012. The pilot said the following, if we lose one, two, or even three engines don't worry, if we lose the forth one then we've got a heck of a problem. This was back in the early 70's a few years before I was born and the air plane had prop engines.
Pilot error undoubtedly played a role in the crash landing, but let's not forget this all unfolded in a mere 90 seconds. We've spent the last 45 minutes dissecting every detail and misstep, making solutions seem clear-cut. But in the heat of the moment, under the immense pressure of a 90-second crisis, mistakes happen easily. This just highlights the need for continuous pilot training. The Airbus A321's design, however, deserves credit for minimizing the impact of the pilot errors and saving the lives of its passengers. The valuable lesson lies in learning from the pilots' actions and highlights how important good pilot training is to this day
42:54 Is literally the face of a man who has no idea how he ended up there lol
Pilot: I hope I remembered to erase the cockpit voice recorder...
The dictator or the pilot? I mean not the best photo for both.
😂😂i thought the same too when i saw it.
@@jimmyzhao2673 Indeed, something like that.
* insert the "office" handshake pic
Ive been watching a lot of accident investigation videos/stories from chemical handling accidents to offshore oil and diving to aviation and I can say yours are by far the best. So many channels try to embellish the story or characterize the people involved and often times only go over the actual events of the accident and exclude all the surrounding info. I greatly appreciate that you include things like pilot experience and training relevance and everything from briefing to push off to evacuation, AND the investigations conclusions and recommendations. Your videos are clearly about education and how we can learn from others and not about creating a riveting story, because the events straight from the report already give that intrinsically. People like you are why the aviation industry has such a good safety record
Check out "Waterline stories", he only embellishes the titles.
where do I watch chemical handling accidents? :)
Any other channels you would recommend that cover lessons learned instead of glorifying tragedy? In addition to Mentour Pilot, I recommend the US Chemical Safety Board and Brick Immortar. I’m always looking for more opportunities to learn, and implement a safety mindset in my own life and work.
@@amykathleen2 "Plainly difficult" covers accidents of all sorts. "Defunctland" covers why lorrercoasters were shut down, be it accidents or economic problems.
I think people forget that for some of these evaluations, it's not a pass fail. They're looking for any minute potential issue with you, which of course feels terrifying and awful. But in reality, they're not there to fail you or hound you, they're there to make sure your weaknesses are known and can be worked on. Thereby ensuring your own and everyone elses safety.
I think it's just hard for people to get out of that testing mindset. Like oh I better do this psych eval right or I might get a failing grade. They're just that, evaluations, not grades or scores.
I was involved with the furnish and install of the Podium Glass at the Freedom Tower in NYC. During one of our meetings with the owner's representatives, our team provided documentation that a large Canada Goose, impacting the glass at top speed, could fracture their design; they were mortified! Never underestimate the power of a bird.
I have a vision of corn getting sucked into the engines and coming out popped! To put a proper soviet spin on it: The popping of the corn propelled the jet back into the sky and our superior pilots flew gently, and triumphantly, on to their destination. 🤣🤣
Hahaha
So good to not have all my creators releasing on the same day. I, for one, appreciate the day change, Petter. Less overwhelming!
SAME
Yep, today is July 4th.
Don’t quite understand why I saw a commercial of Russian airline Ural Airline.
@@tankcommander6700 I’m afraid I’m not privy to the CZcams algorithm lol
watch one per day :p
Regarding being tripped by Procedures that are supposed to help you i can tell a Story: I am a professional Electrician and we have the 5 Safety rules (actually 3 since the last two are only for high powered equipment and such stuff):
(freely translated from german)
=> Switch Circuit off
=> Procect Circuit against re-enabling
=> Ensure there is no Voltage on the Circuit you work on
( => Ground and Short-Circuit )
( => Cover or lock other nearby Parts still operational )
That just for Context to my Story:
I had worked previously to make some space for RCDs in a Distribution Cabinet. This involved removing some breakers, where i have left the outgoing cables in their clamps previously. Now i had to move them to other Circuits since the Outlets wher these Cables were going wer still needed. When i started working i tried to tick off the safety rules, but immediately tripped when the Circuit i was working on didnt exist anymore.. well, i continued to work and when i straightened out the outgoing Cable to remove it i immediately got an electric shock. Turns out this Circuit was connected with another Circuir in a Box. and even on the same leg, so the breakers didnt trip before..
Since then i always say that Rule 3 is the most important of them, dont let yourself trip by the procedure if Rule 1&2 cannot be done.
The one thing I remeber most from electrical safety training "prove isolation". Gets you out of trouble.
This is an amazing testament to Airbus and their technology. I also remember from your video of the Sully event, the aircraft also potentially was a major contributor in saving the day by maintaining the speed in the last moments. Although both events involved poler opposite skill sets, both outcomes could have been very different in a Boeing aircraft.
if the plane was fully in charge
(or couldbe at the touch of a button),
probably many death could be averted
Ridiculous. The plane was going to crash. The absence of obstructions is the only difference in what the outcome would be.
Indeed. A 737 doesn´t have Alpha Protection.
Ahahaha, Peter swearing in broken Russian had me rolling XD
"What if the miracle happened despite the efforts of those heroes (=pilots)?"
You are so funny 😂
Miracle on the Cornson! LOL.
Admiral Cloudberg and her work are amazing!
Thank you for all of the time and effort you put into these videos, it really shows. A great watch!
Indeed!
So this video makes it pretty clear that they were zeros and just had an insane amount of luck to walk away alive
Production quality is on point! Awesome vids every time. 👌
Thank you!
@@MentourPilot Feels worth mentioning the only caveat: Tower controller has still the "Phuket Approach" label in the pan-pan call. Still a great video tho - thank you!
yes, both on the video and the airplane
@@MentourPilotare you making them in ms simulator? I think with ms simulator 2024 it would be even cooler❤
My god. The seagulls are immune to propane and propane accessories...
That boy ain't right
I’ll tell you h’wat
Immune to drone guns. Immune to trained goshawks. They always overwhelm by numbers. Even worse, every day they wake me up at sunrise.
i've only recently started watching the show. i wonder how many references are wasted on my over the years.
I don't know you *kick!*
The true hero here is the Airbus 321 and the amazing engineers behind it, managing to land safely despite the pilot's best efforts to crash it!
I love how you get so technical about tiny details that are not super important to the main story!
This is one of the reasons why Mentour Pilot is in my most favourite youtube channels!
This is such high quality content! I don’t normally leave comments but can’t believe the amount of research that goes into each episode - from the airport layout, the pilots, the aircraft, everything in between and in this case - the details about the birds and laws. Amazing Petter and thank you!
it's always a great day when there's a new video from this channel
Thank you Petter! And thanks to the Mentour Pilot Team for this fantastic job. Very nice done, all of you. ❤
24:27 Erdryonnyi vrod bliat’! - That made my day😂
Hahahahh, NOW I get your “😉😉” response to the comment on your previous video! Thanks for this video, appreciate it so much. Great quality as usual!
You are so welcome!
Thank you Petter and the team. Another brilliant video.
The worst outcome is that pilots never acknowledged any issues/developments points. Captain keeps telling that it was the best outcome possible and he wouldn’t change nothing in the way they’d operated - as you never know how retracting a gear could change performance of the aircraft.
Who is Peter?
@@Fitzrovialitter the host of the video.
@@Fitzrovialitterone who petes.
@@sinosinovski7804 Petter, not Peter FYI
Anchor comment
My favorite channel, by far. As a keen aviation nerd, the pilot perspective you provide is so much more informative as to the steps taken (and more importantly not taken) that lead to positive or negative outcomes in these reports. Great work, and I look forward to the next one.
I can tell your production quality has gone up extremely since the start of this channel! Love the video, as I always do. Fun fact, this was the first of two times a Ural Airlines A320 has belly landed in a crop field with no fatalities!
I got notified while in a meeting. I expected it on Saturday but even super excited to see it today. I have my popcorn ready and seated!
Seagulls: smart enough to learn to ignore bird scaring propane cannons. Dumb enough to fly directly into an oncoming airliner.
Ахаха, изюминка выпуска это услышать как Mentour Pilot матерится по русски 😂
Таки однозначно!
Glad you liked it
@@MentourPilot a good feature for your next episodes: retell cockpit swears on local language :)
the survival rate of 100% is nothing short of luck to the maximum. the Hudson landing was as well a miracle, being landing on water increases potential of breakup and drowning. the pilots involved in the "miracle of the Hudson" actually piloted well right to the end, the airframe staying together was the miracle. in the case of this flight the pilots lost awareness thus lost control of the aircraft. the airbus flight control systems managed to stabilize the aircraft enough that the airframe did not break apart.
well done airbus.
this pilots were in more problems than sully because they were way lower at the beginning
Didn't Sully also get saved by Airbus stall protection? It was that protection that allowed for the slowest possible "landing". Other than that not much in common, this was pathetic showing by the pilots.
Saying it was just luck doesn't give nearly enough credit to the Airbus engineers.
@@AxMi-24 That is true, but it was only possible because Sully ordered the APU start as soon as he realised both engines were in trouble.
Only with an engine or the APU active do you get flight protection.
Well, you could also state it differently, that if this would have happened in an aircraft with no automation systems, the pilot would know dang sure to push that right rudder pedal, and he'd know that the autopilot wouldn't do it for him. But here the airbus is like helping you, but not quite, you need to do the rest.
Disclaimer: I'm not against these modern systems, I'm just saying that the absence of these systems in this situation, wouldn't necessarily mean a crash.
Thank You Petter, just visited your channel to check when did you upload your last vide and then and there i saw this. Thank you for you work . Stay blessed, Stay Happy!
Just a side note, you uploaded this video after 11 days, not 12. we really appreciate you doing that!
Who is peter?
@@Fitzrovialitter Peter (capital P) is the man talking in this video! ;)
@@listenerererz oh never noticed the (P), thanks
@listenerererz There are no "Peter" 's or "peter" 's talking in this video.
@@Fitzrovialitter just fixed it, hope this is correct and thx
Best content ever! (btw that transition into your sponsor VPN was soooo smooth :D )
That was a nice surprise :) Didn't expect a vid until the weekend! Thank you Petter and team!
That direct call to the first officer to call ATC reminds me of something you learn in emergency response. People will get stuck in the bystander effect or get shocked into non-responsiveness. To break out of it, you need to indicate both the person and the action they need to take. "Someone call 911" is less likely to be actioned than actually pointing at someone and say "you call 911" because people often assume someone else will handle it and they don't have to get involved. A 1969 study showed that when alone, 70% of people will aid someone in distress; in the presence of other people, only 40% will render aid. There are a lot of variables, including group cohesion where once someone starts intervening, it is more likely the rest of the crowd will get involved as well, and cultural variations can strongly influence the response, but it is something to keep in mind during emergencies.
Indeed.
A good argument for two pilots on the flight deck. They keep each other honest.
Another amazing video Petter , you have helped me find my calling and inspired me to go to aviation school and get my pilots license. I start soon and couldnt be more excited.
Keep up the amazing content!
Good work! Follow your dreams and may they take you on wonderful adventures.
It's a good time to enter the industry, too.
I wanted to become an airline pilot. Life took me in other directions. I still love aviation and the sky, and with BasicMed I can at least work on my PPL.
Great videos. Thank you for explaining these events! Your insight and commentary is very much appreciated!
Your content and explanations are so great that even for a non pilot like me, it makes sense. After watching your videos for a while now, I finally joined your Patreon, you deserve support!! Thanks again for the awesome content!!
You know some animals are gonna die when they are the first thing Peter talks about.
Makes me glad he doesn't talk about his dogs anymore I guess... But I miss their cameos!
Who is Peter?
@@FitzrovialitterPeter the brown bear
@@Fitzrovialitter I'm dyslexic, but sure, go off because I messed up. You get 10 Internet points for being a jerk to a stranger on the internet.
@@jonchoweWhere ARE his dogs? I miss them.
OMG I've been waiting for you to tell about this accident for so long! Thank you Petter and Mentour Pilot team!
We hope you enjoy!
Outstanding video. Learned a lot from it: use of rudder trim, bird effects on engine, and reinforced checklist discipline. Good job.
Peter i love your work done on this channel (actually on both). Keep to good job going. Your work is much appreciated. And needed. Cheers from Gdansk, Poland.
This one is a really interesting one.
As the report mentioned, it was unclear how long the engine would run in it's damaged state.
The final outcome may actually have been better than if the engine gave out part way through attempting to return to the airport.
But we'll never know that for sure, of course.
Sometimes you just have to take the win.
@@MarinCipollina Indeed.
That's another masterpiece. Thanks a lot for the insights and the first class entertainment. No one makes a 45 minutes video of 90 seconds incident better than you. Very well done 👍
Another absolutely amazing video; I am always amazed by the quality! Small note since I haven't seen anyone mention it yet and I've noticed a couple times now: you pronounce ominous as "omnious" which is a very minor thing and still perfectly understandable but I did wanna at least mention it once! Again, love your videos; super educational and captivating at the same time. The detail in which you explain these incidents is so valuable. In this case, such a fascinating story and unusual situation came out of such an (perceivedly) ordinary threat of birds! Incredibly relieved everyone made it out of this safe and sound
Wonderful video as always! The effort you put into the research and creation is genuinely amazing. It’s weird I actually haven’t heard about the accident when it happened, considering I’m pretty much local to the area. I guess missed it somehow. Also hearing you swear in Russian was quite funny, and as a native speaker, I can say you almost nailed it
Whenever I see the Mentour Pilot upload a video, I say to myself sit down mf you gonna enjoy this 😅
💯
wow this video is doing so well!!! love u bro
Thanks for the new video!
NGL, Was looking if you uploaded and boom you did!! perfect timing
The miracle in the Cornson! HAHAH! Brilliant video and a new appreciation for the engineering on the Airbus.
Glad you liked it.
What's scary is the short amount of time it takes for these kind of incidents to take place, you really have to be on the ball there is no time for error. Love the work you do!
Fantastic dramatic intro and auduo mixing...il stay tuned! Greetings from nz
Awesome content, Captain Petter, as always, great for aspiring engineers and pilots such as me!!
Thank you for standing out from the crowd, and being an inspiration! ✈️
Those pilots are true heroes, being resourceful and quite well managed!! CRM can do wonders!
appearently, seagully are great at understanding threats when you try to scare them off but terrbile when it comes to actual planes
Like deer and cars.
Mentour Pilot: “This detail is worth remembering.”
Me: rewinds 15 seconds and takes mad notes
Quality of this video is detailed and amazing thank u for uploading in 4K 60fps...
I love your videos, thank you so much for making them and for putting so much effort into them. It really shows. Du är bäst!
14:06 This is strangely satisfying to watch.
I'm trading in my Ronco dicer for a turbo fan engine... It slices, it dices, it will cut a seagull in half in mere miliseconds.
Fantastic video, so detailed! Bravo as always!
@MentourPilot have you ever thought about ending the video with the simulation you show throughout the video but in real time? I'm always fascinated when you're telling part of the story for 10 or so minutes and then say all of this took place in just 12 seconds. It blows my mind how fast things happen. Love your ability to break things down so a non pilot can understand the inner workings. Keep up the great work.
I didn't expect to learn so much about seagulls!
Love how educational all around your vids are 😊
Hey, I thought this channel was family friendly! Watching this with my bilingual son, and I really had to blush…
Sorry! My translator didn’t really tell me how strong of a swear word this was.. I’m sure your son will be fine though 😂
@@MentourPilot it’s as strong as it gets. I mean, it doesn’t even get that strong in English at all lol
What are they and what do they mean?
(i'm way over 21, so you can tell me : )
The situation in the cockpit is in stark contrast to the ditching on the Hudson, where the pilot monitoring calmly and methodically went through all checklists while the pilot flying pitched for best glide.
Plus Sully coordinated with ATC, to shorten emergency response times, and gave a warning to passengers to brace for impact, and his copilot helped effectively troubleshoot the problem. I can imagine the Hudson landing would have been noticeably worse with less communication. Worst case, the plane could have crashed into the middle of a dense New York suburb if they made the fatal decision to return to Laguardia.
Hello Petter! This superchat is a follow-up to a $5 one I made earlier and sparked a lot of good discussion.
I think we need a new instrument which counts down (in seconds / fraction of seconds) how much time is left for a high speed abort - including AFTER TAKEOFF. This considers runway length (and crash barriers), speed, altitude, and aircraft condition.
Additionally, there needs to be a "crash stop" button similar to TOGA, but the exact opposite. It'll immediately go from takeoff thrust to full reverse. Max auto braking. Whatever flaps and speedbrakes will slow you the fastest. This button will ONLY work while the timer I discussed is above zero - but it'll work even if airborne as long as there's enough runway left.
I am not a pilot but right now it seems like the benefits of long runways are ignored (except maybe for the possibility to save fuel and money for the airlines). Long runways need to be factored into the equation for SAFETY.
Another idea is allowing v1 to exceed vr, but this has problems with exchanging speed for altitude, thus the idea of a countdown timer which automatically considers all factors.
Bro haven't even liked 😭
oh hey, my home town featured on the channel, nice