Would You Rather Have Kobe Bryant's Career or Tim Duncan's? | THE ODD COUPLE
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- THE ODD COUPLE - As Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, and Kevin Garnett are set to be enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame, Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss whose career they'd rather have.
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To be fair,
Duncan and Bryant directly affected each other's finals trips a few times in their careers. They played in the same conference on the same teams their whole careers
Correct take. I can’t fault anyone for picking one’s career over the other’s…they are that engrained and that close.
@@brandonrice2833 "affected" - sorry.
The same way Len Bias would have wrecked a few of Jordans opportunities.
And then Steph and the warriors from 2015-2016
Duncan’s Spurs won 50 games a season every year except the lockout season when he won 37 of 50. That level of consistency is to be respected.
So, in other words, Tim Duncan maintained a 70% winning average through his career, which is impressive. That also tops Karl Malone.
@@mazengwe28 sure .however Duncan never defended his TITILE nor was considered the best player in the league
@@lamargilmore4372 aside from the MVP and FMVP trophies.
@@dave210yt huh??
@@lamargilmore4372 he must have been considered best player in the league to win MVP.
Tim Duncan’s career hands down. It’s not even a real question. He’s an excellent player, leader, and teammate. He included everyone and made everyone better. Most importantly, he played selflessly and put the team’s goals above his personal stats. He is truly phenomenal.
thank you... thank you.... do u know that u typed more sense than stephen A bitch on this topic.
And was never considered the best player in the league for ten years like Kobe...😑😑. Ask LeBron...Vince carter..and Allen Iverson and Tracy mcgrady .
U smoking crack KOBE ALL DAY
You blow a gasket watts9300? I know it’s hard out here for a bot🤖, but keep Kobe all day. I got TD for-eva!
KOBE WITHOUT A DOUBT
The Spurs was my favorite team hands down. Kobe was the most entertaining player I've ever seen, his longevity and continuance dominance made him my favorite. He was always on TV and always showed up and was always the same... Great!!
Duncan was a bowl of cornflakes.. Kobe was frosty flakes🤣🤣🤣
Umm. Missing that 3ft shot to tie the game?
@@jonsnipe5484 But Duncan was better.
@@Abbad1579 I liked 24 Kobe.. 8 Kobe was too cocky.. 24 had to work hard to win another back to back by himself
@@jonsnipe5484 by himself?
Rob I appreciate you giving Tim Duncan his respect
Rob said he doesnt want to talk to you, sorry fella
@@rodrahama2344 I met Rob in Chicago and he was the nicest person I ever met nice try
Duncan should've been 6-0 in the Finals if not for that Ray Allen shot. Just imagine that. No issues on and off the court. Strictly basketball and business. Played the right way and had no problems with anyone. Duncan is a no brainer Top 10 All-Time player, the best Power Forward ever.
KG's MVP year is better then any season Duncan had his entire career ... His longevity makes him the best pf of all time but KG is better prime for prime
😂😂@ “If”
If my auntie had 🥜she’d be my uncle
It's more on Pop taking Duncan out and not have height for rebounds and to match up with Bosh. Pop went small ball line up and it cost them the chip that game.
@@messagestomylina I tell everyone if KG was on the Spurs he woulda won a bunch of rings too. KG and Duncan’s numbers are pretty similar.
Duncan, although Kobe was my favorite player growing up ⬆️ As an adult Duncan never missing the playoffs in 19 seasons is incredible.
he had good team,if kg was in that team 19 seasons now everybody would say that he is best pf ever:)
He's my second favorite player all-time. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is my first. His approach, demeanor, and consistency of excellence is basically mine. He was my model for how I perform work. KAJ is my favorite because of his intelligence, his dominance in the paint/ midrange, and that deadly skyhook. Kareem off court also. His passion for education, his philanthropy, his examples of protest for progress, and his composition of books and articles demonstrating intelligence.
Lastly his love of Jazz. As a saxophonist, I am equally as passionate about Jazz in its various styles.
@@ziginaigra if Duncan had Shaq - he'd have won 7 rings
@@erikpuka2627 7 lol they would have won 10 lol
@@erikpuka2627 7 lol they would have won 10 lol
Duncan was too good just completely consistent and dominant. He had a perfect career and probably is the the best PF of all time
He lost with USA team, Kobe NEVER lost with USA team.
@@ivamaistru2007 Not NBA Imagine using Olympics against someone 😂
Duncan was a bowl of cornflakes 🤣🤣 just plain nothing special but still fill u up🤣🤣
@@ivamaistru2007 lol
@@ivamaistru2007 Facts
Tim Duncan was making all defensive teams at 38. Kobe was done after his Achilles injury.
Duncan would have been done too after an injury like that at 35 years old
@@marlowstanfield6815 Duncan had a career altering injury at 2000 and changed his game he played most of his career with one knee
@@hardwoodthought1213 In 2000 Duncan was only 22 years old, its easier to come back from an injury at 22 than it is at 35, thats obvious...
@@marlowstanfield6815 right, but it doesn’t take away the fact that he still played most of his career with one knee.
@@hardwoodthought1213 I get you but do you think he comes back from that injury the same at 35 years old?
I feel like a kobe/Duncan duo would've won 7-8 championships. Duncan embraced his teammates.
Exactly!
You think Duncan and Kobe better than Shaq and Kobe?
@@highbackhand Shaq didn’t put in the work that Tim Duncan did. Kobe and Shaq have mentioned that.
@@highbackhand Shaq had a higher peak but Duncan's longevity is what would have keep them in championship contention every year. Gasol is 2 levels below Duncan and they went 3 straight finals.
@@highbackhand I agree. But if Shaq took the job seriously and stayed in shape they could have passed Jordan's 6. I was a San Antonio fan at the time and didn't like those Lakers. I had mad respect for them though.
Tim Duncan really does have one of the most flawless and untouchable careers ever. But Kobe's legacy will be more memorable because he was Jordan for the next generation of fans, a big brother and mentor for some of the stars we watch today, and one of the last superstars that we've seen that we can say "He loved basketball more than the fame or the money".
But Duncan career is better. And I think u agree with that
@@0624tre no
@@chantelparker9533 yes
@@chantelparker9533 yes
@@chantelparker9533 yes
Rob makes points about why Duncan had the better career.
Chris makes points why Kobe was more popular.
Being popular isn't apart of the career? The job is to entertain fans and sell tickets too not just win games my boy
Exactly!!! 😁😁👌👌👊👊👏👏👏
Fr 😂😂
@@edgabriel6639 Being popular has nothing to do with having a better career.
@@Abbad1579 I mean not necessarily popularity but when new players come up and say they look up to and modeled their game after you and everyone in the basketball community screams ya name when they shoot a piece of paper in the trash that’s just impact on basketball as a whole and hall of fame takes in your whole basketball career not just nba hard but if ur strictly talking about nba career man Tim Duncan is right up there with the best of them it’s all about what you value
If Tim Duncan was in NY, LA, Chicago people would respect him more. TD gave a city and franchise 5 chips
Yea yea yea
Why Tim never repeated?
@@soar1091 He also never led the league in any of the major stat categories pts, bl, rebs ect. Guess what? he is top 15 all-time in damn near all of them. He was consistently great for over 15 years and NEVER missed the playoffs or won less than 50 games in a normal season. Some had higher highs, but none were as consistently great for as long. People downplay his greatness b/c Kobe and Garnet were so expressive.
This era of ball hogs gonna go with Kobe but Tim Duncan was the truth no disrespect to Mamba but TD was a beast
@@grahamjl766 so still no answer for why no back to back
I've been a Spurs fan since way before T.D. was there and I grew up playing ball with Kobe and some of his folks, but I would rather have Tim's. Never missing the playoffs or having a losing season and being revered as the best at your position all time is pretty cool
Tim Duncan's
His career was pretty much drama free and I am a Lakers fan.
Yep Kobe is my favorite player and I said Duncan, his career had more stability. Kobe went through so many roster changes and Coaches. I think even Kobe envies Duncan's stability.
No one cares who you are a fan of just state your statement
This is so important. You will NEVER find ANY spurs fan that would say Kobe over Tim.
@@ralx225bwtf that got to do with whose better Kobe the superior player
@@diegochavez6203 Your comment makes no sense. You are one of those people who just looks to start arguments.
Duncan had more stability in his career. Kobe had to face more inconsistency in his career. Duncan has more MVPS and the same number of rings as Kobe and they both played in the same era.
I agree Kobe is the better player but Duncan had more team success. The Spurs never struggled to make the playoffs in Duncan's era. Where Kobe actually missed the playoffs and had more ups and downs.
I've seen Kellerman quote Broussard and its cool to see Broussard mention him as well. That's cool to see.
Kellerman never brings up Chris
@@patrick553 yeah I've never heard Max bring up Chris either
Right on!
@@LordMizukage_ This was back in 2018, I was living in Belgium so I got First Take and Undisputed around 5 PM.
I think it was a LeBron-MJ debate or something like that and he said "Chris Broussard had a good point regarding..." and then Stephen A. Smith shut it down lmao he went right to dismissing Broussard's point ASAP.
Rob said "Kobe and the Cosby kids " 😂😂😂
I mean I can’t see Rob Parker being Kobe. I can see him being Duncan lol
lol
This
A boring ass Nigga!! 😁😁✊🏾💪🏾💯
But I highly respect Duncan & Rob
Tim Duncan all day. Small market and "fundamental" style hurt him in the fame category.
Tim is better factually. People say Kobe because of emotion and how he looked while scoring. That doesn’t actually matter or make you better.
Exactly
People say Kobe because Kobe was elite for a much longer period of time. Tim slowed down after 06/07, while Kobe was the best player in the league. Kobe was great in the early and late 2000’s. Kobe was considered by most the 3rd best player in the league in his 17th season, while Tim was no where near that. They have tow totally different game but I would take the great guard any day, especially when Kobe was still the best when tim was slowing down
@@kobeb365 you sound crazy. Tim Duncan was in the finals winning championships and Kobe was finishing up his career with no sign of the playoffs.
@@kennethsmith6367 that was because of the spurs team not Duncan. Kobe was in his 17th season and still was a top 3 player before tearing the Achilles. Duncan wasn’t even close and he never had a major injury
@@kobeb365 We’re not doing that argument with players at the levels of Duncan and Kobe. If your stance is one great because his team is good, but the other is great with no real accomplishments reached at the same time. Just go back to kindergarten with that logic.
Think about it....Tim Duncan was the rare #1 overall pick that actually exceeded expectations. 2 MVPs 5-1 in Finals winning rings in 3 different decades and I’ll finish with this....he didn’t win back to back championships but he did win back to back MVPs and finished that 2nd MVP season with a championship and Finals MVP.
And..... never had a shoe HMMMMM🤔
@@unitedsouthenterprisesllc hell I’ll hoop in Sketchers if it get me 5 rings and being a goat at a position 😂
@@shaquillerollins708 My point was isn't crazy that he was that good and never got a shoe deal? That doesn't strike you as crazy?
@@unitedsouthenterprisesllc I’m just kidding with ya yeah I definitely agree not just shoes either but commercials too bro 😂 Timmy was a unique character lol
@@unitedsouthenterprisesllc he did. He rocked the Foams in his rookie year and then had the foamposites air max which are huge collectors for sneaker heads. Then he went to a adidas. His Halloween skeleton theme sneakers are rare and go for a pretty penny
TD 5x champ, 3x fmvp, 2x league mvp never miss a playoff
Kobe 5x champ, 2x fmvp, 1 league mvp
Kobe 5 time champ, 2 time gold medalist, second highest scoring game in nba history, 4th highest scorer in NBA history. Won 5 championships in his prime decade compared to duncan only 3 ( he won two after 2010). Beat Duncan multiple times in playoffs
@@hnn8759 and duncan beat kobe multiple times in the playoffs. What's your point? Duncan has more league MVPs and more finals MVPs. Also, winning gold in Olympics isnt part of NBA, plus the USA is expected nothing but gold every year. And wtf is this won 2 after 2010s? Isnt that suppose to boost his resume, because he literally won in 3 eras. 🤡
@@RKO859 he won as a sidekick after 2010. Tim played for Team USA and didnt win gold. Tim did not beat Kobe in playoffs as much as Kobe beat him. :)
@@hnn8759 15 all nba 15 all defensive team more mvps more fmvps and never has been a problem among his peers and the BEST at his position. And higher in the all time top 10. Ppl still struggle to put Kobe in their 🤷🏽♂️
@@DJDJ-iu7qr haters struggle bruh. Tim was a beast and a true competitor. He wasnt Kobe. Didnt score as many points. didnt last as long. Didnt drop 60 in his last game. Didnt go through playing with bums like Smush Parker. Never averaged 40 a month in an era with high defensive intensity. And was never virtually unstoppable in his prime. Tim did he ever even win back to back?
I respect Rob for keeping it 100% real that’s real journalism
Rob for the first time you hit the nail on the head with that. Kobe quit and nobody says a word not a word
Kobe’s beloved
@@LordBranniganThe He still has quitting on his resume. That's a fact
@@hardworkingcriminal4873 for sure, I’m not disagreeing with you. Just saying Kobe is more universally loved that’s why it’s not brought up. Compare him with Lebron for instance who is a much more divisive person, he gets criticized for the smallest things. People tend to give others a pass if they’re popular, human nature it seems
@@LordBranniganThe : Lebron is more Beloved/Protected by the Sports media than Kobe ever was until maybe recently.
@@gabrielalele8603 i was kinda referring to Kobe’s popularity as a whole including the fans.
That said there are a few ‘sport analysts’ and their entire gig is just to slate Lebron 24/7
Tim Duncan has never played with another player on the level as shaq and ended up with the same amount of championships. Parker and Manu on not top 50 ever and Kawhi was a baby when they played together
David Robinson
How was Leonard a baby and won mvp
on top of that he beat shaq on and kobe two top ten all time on the same damn team!!!
shaq , kobe, gary payton, carl malone phil jackson all on the same team. meanwhile tim duncan here with no other all stars on his team and winning lmao (2003)
David Robinson is a forgotten great. But Duncan had way more consistent talent. U forget he had Stephen Jackson, Steve Smith, or Michael Finley on top of Parker and Ginobili.
Stop pitting these guys against each other and let them just be great. Media is sad these days.
Facts
It's just fun to do - not that serious
It's just fun to do - not that serious
You're right they should just say every player is great and equal to each other haha
Dont watch then clown people can do what they want with sports and if they want to compare players to see who's better then can
Tim’s career is almost perfect.
6-0 if not for Ray Allen shot xD
That’s why Kobe had a better career Kobe dealt with adversity Duncan has had the same three-core his whole career. Rob Parker will find a speeding ticket when you were 16 and hold it against you
@joceja23 you’re crazy if you think Tim’s career isn’t also great. He won 2 MVPs in the same time period as Kobe, Shaq, Bron, KG, Dirk etc.
@@mrbigrzl Duncan didn’t deal with adversity in 03?
@@samuelpemberton literally mvps don’t matter anymore , if u wanna use that argument giannis is better than Kobe cuz he has 2
I’ll take Duncan never was a sidekick during his prime won more finals mvps more playoff success more mvps doesn’t have more than half of his rings attributed to another player and is 5-1 in the finals
Not sure when you were born so you not not remember so instead I suggest you go look at every series outside of the finals during that 3 peat, kobe was leading the team in scoring. Go look at the series vs the Spurs & sac kobe led LAL not shaq
@@christopherlowman772 that’s great he led the team in scoring bruh but that alone ain’t enough kuz obviously he didn’t win a single finals mvp I wish he had won a single one it would look great on his resume Kobe was extremely good and important to the team but Shaq got all 3 mane it is what it is
@@SILMANTV you know nothing about basketball when you only want to point is having Finals MVP, oh and Igoudala got his in GSW and Steph doesnt have one for those 5 runs? go back to the crib
@@asherclydedelarama3112
Duncan better player then Kobe
Finals Mvps ( individual player)
Duncan 3
Kobe 2
League Mvps ( individual player)
Duncan 2
Kobe 1
Rookie of the year
Duncan Yes
Kobe No
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6%
Kobe 44.7%
1999 NBA playoffs
Spurs 4 Lakers 0
Duncan swept Kobe with a prime Shaq O'Neal
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg and 61.1% fg and 16 rebs and finals mvp
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Bleacher report got Kobe #14
Kobe use to destroy the Spurs in their prime
I'm going with Kobe. I respect how he came from the trial in Denver to drop 45 on cats for weeks.
Facts
So you're going with off the court drama and how he played individually? Pretty selfish
@@kylemonsterdrywallfistbump5948 yep.he won the game and was 🔥🔥🔥. Kobe that nigga.
Do you remember why he was on trial tho? If that was any of us we’d still be in jail
I wouldn't, I think some of Kobes rings will forever be tarnished because of the referee cheating scandal in the playoff series vs the Kings
That part when they were asking Rob G about how L.A reacted to that game and discussing Laker fans not being use to down time was so underwhelming. That series was rough but we knew what was going on. We was very upset at our signings those few years and witnessed Kobe carry the Lakers to the playoffs. As for Lakers down time, if we're not competing for a title, it's not even worth our time to get excited. Only 2 decades in NBA history that Lakers wasn't a juggernaut. I question anyone who undervalue the success of that franchise. This is why fans wasn't tripping on Kobe like people expected them too. Lakers play for titles not inevitable eliminations.
i have duncan 5 and kobe 6 all time. even tho i’m a lakers fan and kobe is my 2nd favorite player of all time i can’t deny tim’s greatness.
Kobe at his height was better, but Duncan had the more consistent career. In other words, Kobe is Nas and Duncan is Jay-Z.
but Jay z is better than nas..
Nas only had 1 classic album
@@DavidLee-vp3nr even if thats true my point still stands. That one album is better than Jay ever put out but Jay has been overall more consistent.
And for the record, I dissgree. It Was Written, Stillmatic and God's Son are all classics and Life is Good is damn close. Hell he just won a grammy for King's Disease.
@@anthonyanderson9303 Give me a break...Nas has one classic album in 1994.
Jay Z had classic albums every decade. Jay z career far surpasses nas...Drake surpassed nas, eminem surpassed nas, 50 cent surpassed nas... J cole surpassed nas.....
Jay Z"Fell from top 10 to not mention at all"
@@anthonyanderson9303
Duncan better player then Kobe
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 3
Kobe 2
League Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 2
Kobe 1
Total Mvps
Duncan 5
Kobe 3
Rookie of year
Duncan Yes
Kobe No
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6%
Kobe 44.7%
Bleacher report top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
@@DavidLee-vp3nr drake is the only one I would definitely disagree with
And Duncan actually made his teammates better... Turned a no name coach into a hall of famer... Turned a 28th pick and a 57th pick into Hall of famers... Then there's Kawhi, who he helped cultivate into a hall of famer too
Kobe went through of drought of 3-4 years without having anybody on his squad , Tim Duncan had great players around him his whole career like Kobe got his championships from the mud
03 Spurs, his supporting cast was Parker at 20 years old averaging 14 points on 39% shooting, Manu who in 36 minutes a game couldn’t average double digit points, Robinson who was 38 averaging 8/6 and Jackson who was cut from the Nets. Duncan won a title with that, still has the highest VORP, Win Shares and Box Plus Minus for a playoff run
Duncan won 4 titles without a teammate making an all nba team, Kobe won ZERO with that happening every year he won Shaq or Gasol played like a top 15 player
@@hardwoodthought1213 Did you just downplay Tony Parker & Many Ginobli's career to buffer your argument for Tim Duncan???😂🤣 That's sad!
@@travisblair3189 Explain how they played well in 2003, I’m not asking about their careers, I’m asking how in their first seasons and Robinsons last they played well? If you’re just saying they had a good career they always played well how did Kobe lose playing with Shaq Malone and Payton and then Gasol Howard and Nash 🤔
@@hardwoodthought1213 your only argument is one series. Get some more material.
@@hardwoodthought1213 did you really just bring up STEVE NASH he was 39 ! old injured he only played like 20 something games , gasol wasn’t even gasol anymore Dwight Howard was a cry baby like see what I mean by these Kobe haters there arguments are so ass , that last championship Duncan won shouldn’t even count he was a role player in that series
If we talking career and overall greatness, it's Duncan very easily.
More MVPs
More FMVPs
More rings as the leader (and no help from refs)
Same all NBA
More All Def
Better analytics
No superstar help or superteams
Kobe only has scoring, popularity, and consecutive championships. That's pretty much it.
Are you serious. Who tf is Tony Parker, Manu, Khawi?
No just no. You can't find a hof bball player that would take duncan over kobe. Mvps are a joke too nash having 2 mvps is a prime example. It's more about popularity with the media than your play on the court
@@chadcole44 don't forget David Robinson and Greg popavich
Timmy PER IS below Kobe’s
Timmy never had a 3peat
Culturally his losing too
Tim has never missed the playoffs and got 5 out of 6, give me that.
He also had a consistent roster with all stars and the same coach. Kobe had so many roster changes and coaches
@@madjames2392 and Kobe is part of the reason why lakers had so many coach and roster changes. Can’t ignore that.
@@AgentJ2007 nah my guy kobe started out with a coach who put him on the bench. Then Phil Jackson comes along but historically he never stays anywhere too long. Thats not on kobe.. Mike brown and Mike dantoni are constantly moving around and getting fired and that has nothing to do with kobe. Tim Duncan ended up with a bill beliech type of coach and thats facts
@@madjames2392 but didn’t Kobe want Mike?
@@ericrivera5811 after Phil retired it pretty much don't matter if kobe wanted a certain coach or not.. the point is Duncan had 1 system and 1 coach for 20 years.
Chris: Kobe touched people, way more than Tim Duncan
Rob: I'm not buying it
😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Kobe made you touch yourself. Not all of us are into idol worship.
@@88smjls Boooooooo
Ray Allen's 3 pointer in game 6 didn't beat San Antonio!!
That 3 pointer only tied the game, and sent it into overtime..
I know this, but I don't get paid to know it
And it was game 6 they still had a game 7 to play
Momentum was loss at Dat moment 🤦🏿
you too literal. good thing you just use your brain in commenting here rather than on tv lol.
Duncan was a monster!!! So consistence, all around player.!!
Kobe from 2000-2010=5 titles/7 finals appearances, 3 peats, back to back titles
No one ever mentions Phil Jackson. It’s no coincidence he went from the bulls dynasty straight into 5 chips in 10 years. Obviously players are more important but Phil does not get enough credit at all, just having great players doesn’t win look around the league, Phil knew had to win with great player.
3 of the 5 titles he was the second option, don’t act like those rings are equal to Duncan’s
@@hardwoodthought1213 Duncan was never the number one option either lol that’s irrelevant tho
@@sds606 I don’t think you can go wrong with either career and Duncan was actually the main option his first 3 rings my guy. I was more of a Kobe fan obviously because I’m a Lakers fan but Duncan and Kobe are neck and neck when it comes to careers. Kobe had more flash so he just gets more attention.
@@sds606 wtf u talking bout, did u watch games lol
they're both all-time greats.it's just about preference.kobe was an icon.duncan is one of the best winners ever.but I'd take kobe's career over duncan's.
@BREAD KAI VECTRA kobe had style and substance > duncans substance
@@justthatguy1808
@Ad Il
Finals Mvps ( individual player)
Duncan 3
Kobe 2
League Mvps ( individual player)
Duncan 2
Kobe 1
Total Mvps ( league and finals)
Duncan 5
Kobe 3
Field goal%
Duncan 50.6%
Kobe 44.7%
Rookie of year
Duncan Yes
Kobe No
Duncan better player then Kobe
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Bleacher report has Kobe #14
Actually rings was yo logic clown since you brought up team awards and he didnt and based on yo logic Pippen 6 rings better player then Kobe 5 rings lol
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Dallas swept Kobe
You Kobesexual 🤣
@@artskyea13 thats nice. Kobe is 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs. Case closed.
Kobe has more points, assists and steals than Duncan. Kobe beat tougher competition in the finals than duncan. But the 4-2 record vs duncan in the playoffs ends the discussion completely. Everytime they faced when it MATTERED MOST Kobe shitted and Duncan. Particularily in 2008 when spurs were the defending Champs. Kobe beat Duncan 4-1 WITHOUT Shaq
@@justthatguy1808
Dirk Nowitzki 1-0 vs Kobe Bryant in playoffs since Mavericks 4-0 swept Lakers in 2011 NBA playoffs
Steve Nash 2-1 vs Kobe Bryant in playoffs since Suns 4-3 and 4-2 beat Lakers in 2006 and 2007
Chauncey Billups 1-0 vs Kobe Bryant in NBA finals since Pistons 4-1 beat Lakers 2004
Based on yo logic
Last I checked Kobe team Lakers 4-2 vs Duncan team Spurs
Duncan and Kobe dont even guard each other
Try again Kobetard
1999 NBA playoffs
Spurs 4 Lakers 0
Duncan led team swept Kobe with a prime Shaq O'Neal 😂😂
2003 NBA playoffs
Spurs 4 Lakers 2
Duncan beat Kobe with Shaq again
2003 NBA playoffs
Game 6
Spurs 110 Lakers 82
Duncan 37 points and 16 rebounds
Outplayed
Kobe 20 points
After thr game Kobe Bryant was caught crying on sideline with Derek Fisher
Duncan better player then Kobe like I said
Finals Mvps ( individual player)
Duncan 3 > Kobe 2
League Mvps (individual player)
Duncan 2 > Kobe 1
Rookie of year
Duncan Yes > Kobe No
Field goal %
Duncan 50.6% > Kobe 44.7%
Bleacher report top 50 best NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem AbdulAbdul-Jabbar
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant 😂
Kobe Bryant isn't even top 8 player all time
Give me Mr. Fundamental Tim Duncan all day everyday!!!!! Mr. Consistant, Mr. Reliable, Mr. No off the court issues!!!! I think folks just want flashy and that wasn't Tim Duncan!!!!!
Man I miss Kobe so much I almost started crying at 11:00 when Chris was going on about how Kobe touched his fans. And I never met him. Did see him once at his very last raptors game though.
Weird
Rob funny af he said im callin bank
Kobe gets more praise especially since he has passed. Kobe was more entertaining but Kobe said he would rather be in a system where be didn't have to do alot. Although Duncana career is more balanced. 5 titles 2 MVP back to back. Mr. Fundamentals
Kobe fans should be banned from weighing in on this!!!!!!!!!!! Kobe fanboys are the worst fans in pro sports history...along with Cowboy fans!
P.S. Duncan was great and made his team an instant title contender from the 1st day he stepped on an NBA court. It took Kobe several years to be that guy...and he had a prime Shaq for a lot of his career!
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MJ fan and mavs & bulls fan here but Duncan and the Spurs were a dynasty like the Patriots in the NFL. More of a longevity but still has several titles
Duncan was awesome. A truly great player. A winner his whole career, and dominant from day one. A great among greats. That said, we all know Kobe is who we would want to be. Either way you get 5 chips, and you can’t tell me watching the two of them, that you’d rather play like Tim.
Speak for yaself please ….
Robs argument was horrible, this dude brought up tattoos 🤣😂
What about the rape "incident"
@@Tony-qt5tn what about it?
Yea can’t go wrong with either one but I’d rather have a great center or power forward over a great point or shooting guard (plus Duncan played with his back to the rim, meaning his post up game was excellent as well as his mid range shot) Something the new center/power forwards know nothing about!
Tim Duncan had the better overall career Kobe had the more flashy high profile career
Facts
Kobe fell to lower depths but he also rose to greater heights. That makes for a much more interesting career.
What height did Kobe rise to that was greater than Duncan in 2003?
Tim won a title without another top 50 player, averaged 25/17/5/5 in a finals, was his teams best scorer, passer and defender, still to this day has the highest VORP and Win Shares for a playoff run ever. Kobe has nothing like that 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 y'all really love pretending like Stephen Jackson and Tony Parker didn't exist. Those guys were great that entire playoff run.
Also, Kobe had three consecutive years where he scored over 600 points in a playoff run, which is a NBA record. Kobe beat the defending Champion Spurs with Pau, the second best player, playing like a certified role player that series.
@@hardwoodthought1213 David Robinson was playing on that team??
@@vicshephard9231 He averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds in 03.
Proper HOF help fair play
@@atlien1988 Which is more impressive? Kobe with another franchise level talent beating the Spurs or Duncan beating a three time defending champion Lakers team with prime Shaq and Kobe.
Man you bring up one instance throughout his whole career
But that’s the point- other all-time greats get knocked for the one low point of their career. Kobe’s low point often gets overlooked compared to other dudes’ respective low point. That’s not Kobe’s fault, but it’s just a fact.
He had like 3 years of mediocre seasons team wise and the suns were in the way until Pau gasol came
@@kevinmurtagh4996 but we overlook tim duncan’s low points too.
@@OGSVN I always thought that Duncan was the only dude (other than Jordan) who never really had that one really bad moment. Or am I just not recalling it?
@@kevinmurtagh4996 he lost to an 8 seed as a one seed in 2011
Rob "I have video of that" lol we all do its called CZcams
Good cases between kobe and Tim... You can't go wrong with either one
Duncan's career, no Brainer. He's the greatest at his position, better defender, better leader, more IMPACTFUL. Respect and RIP to Kobe. Tim Duncan maybe the most underrated athlete ever.
Kobe seems to have gotten greater since January 2021. Prior to that most people would have probably say Duncan. I'm still Duncan. RIP Kobe
That is cap
It was always Kobe. Kobe was also 4-2 against Duncan in head to head playoff match ups, and Kobe was the best player on the Lakers every time they beat the spurs..
He'll na i would've picked Kobe back in 2000.
@@michaelx1511 2000? Nigga what
This segment told me everything I needed to know bout these guys in terms of basketball smh..
Kobe haters
@@darylpresley3577 No
These two are casuals tbh.
Rob Parker "I have video of that" he watches that once a week to reminisce. :) 4:06
Tim career was almost flawless, never failed to make it to the playoffs and competed on a small market his hole career with players developed there not stars or superstars brought from elsewhere .
Tim Duncan is higher in the all time rankings
Even though I am a Kobe fan, I have to say Tim Duncan. Kobe had to get it out of the mud twice.. pre-Shaq and post-Shaq. Meanwhile, Duncan has had almost a scratch free career. Won his first championship as a rookie and never really looked back.
How did Kobe have to get it out of the Mud pre Shaq? Shaq was aquired that off season when Kobe was aquired in that draft day trade. The Lakers were 53-29 the prior season. He didn't get it out the mud. Lol
The Kobe fanboys are ridiculous...they actually think that Kobe parted the Red Sea and walked on water. The guy was a volume scorer and a good defender for most of his career. He missed more big shots than any all-time great EVER. He has arguably the worst stats in crunch time in NBA history. Of course if you are the one who takes every big shot for the "Lakers" for 2 decades, your gonna make some. His shots were not even good shots, they just looked amazing when he did hit them...the few times he did. Real basketball fans with brains and IQ know who the better player and career was. It's about winning and having great team chemistry and comradery (I hope that's how it's spelled)!
P.S. Duncan never made his teammates feel left out or hate him. I would say over half of all Kobe's teammates couldn't stand him...just because he tried to be like Mike!!!!!!! Tim wanted to be like Tim and nobody else...that is class personified!
All you need to know about who is better is that there are Laker fans here saying Duncan. You will NEVER find a Spurs fan that will take Kobe over Tim. EVER.
Career win shares (same number of
Games played)
Tim-206
Kobe-172
That’s 2 seasons worth of difference
Seasons worn double digits win shares
Duncan-12
Kobe 1
Peak win shares
Duncan-17.8
Kobe-14.9
Duncan had two seasons that was better than Kobe’s best
Both 110 offensive rating for their careers. But Tim’s best was 116 and
Kobe’s was 110
Defensive rating 96 for Duncan 105 for kobe...Duncan had 10 seasons defensive rating under 100 Kobe 1 season
Box plus/minus
Duncan- 5.5
Kobe- 3.9
Duncan had 4 seasons better to Kobe’s best season
First take!! was out back in 2006-2007
I think it was called 1st and 10 back then
Tim Duncan was really the only guy who could do anything with Shaq in his prime.
Duncan: 50 wins a year, never missed playoffs, +70% win percentage against every team
Tim! He won in the beginning and in the end of his career and he has more accomplishments then the rest of his class! And won soo much without a 2nd superstar
Tim always had a 2nd Star .He won His First Title n 99 with David Robinson He was Legit at the time with Shooters every were .Then He had Tony Parker , Ginobli ,David Robinson ,Tim Duncan n that 03 ,n 05 Tony Parker ,Ginobli ,Tim Duncan and a Squad that beat the Pistons ,N 07 Duncan had a Damn good Role players with Parker ,Ginobli and n 2013 Kobe was Avg 27.3 points a Game and He tore His Achilles at the end of the year .And Kobe His last 3 years He was hurt and only Avg 21 Points a Game So that took His Career 27 down to 24 Points .And Kobe had Pal Gasol has His 2nd Star won 2 Titles ,They played Andrew Bynum ,Pal Gasol ,Bryant ,Derek Fisher and Trevor Ariza n 09 and Metta World Peace n 2010 that was the Starting line up. Lamar odom Came in and 1 or 2 decent Shooters .n 05 to 07 Lakers were terrible Kobe carried them to the playoffs n 06-07 He did not shoot My opinion cause He was forcing LA to get some people worth a something .And He won 2 more Titles more than Lebron will win and Duncan same thing I would rather have Him than Lebron .But Lakers were ran Horrible from 2011 to 2013 after Kobe won 2 Straight traded good players then Kobe got Hurt at age 34 .Duncan also had Kwia Leonard Who was a Scottie Pippen Who could Score to go along with that bench ,Role players ,Tim Duncan ,Parker ,Ginobli Kwia Leonard insane to say He has never had a 2nd Star When He has played with these Hall of Famers from beginning to the end.
@@brianblair6067 he never had a 2nd star. Ever. Maybe Robinson in 1999 but he was old. Only player to win multiple rings woth no all NBA teammates
I think I would take Tim Duncan. Because he would be the cornerstone of the franchise on the offensive and defensive ends. He is probably one of the best leaders of all time. He might not have the flash but his 2003 playoff runs was one of the best individual seasons of all time.
I think people go for Kobe because of the flashy factor and his game was much more pleasing of the eye.
. I agree 1 million percent with your entire comment.
He didn't quit that's why! Y'all said that he quit! Phil Jackson told him to pass in a game that was a blowout!
Exactly, media found a way to disrespect Kobe smh. He was criticized no matter what whether he jacked up 40 shots or he got 15 asts in a game. RIP Kobe
@@howudoingjonathan bruh stop being delusional kobe quit in the 2 finals,he is a great player but his career was vastly overrated
@@realabbzzy8856 stop it
@@realabbzzy8856 If you wanna define “quitting” as losing, bruh you must be delusional AF. Sure, Kobe could’ve done a better job of leading his team in 04’ Finals against the pistons, but he sure didn’t quit in 08’ finals against the C’s. They were tougher than us and better than us. Ya really wanna know how “quitting” is properly executed, go back and watch LeBron in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, 2011 Finals, 2014 Finals, 2017 & 2018 Finals. It’s a masterpiece.
@@howudoingjonathan you'd be better off just making your point about Kobe, which I agree with, rather than letting your bitch-claws come out against Lebron. It devalues your initial point
Nobody talks about Kobe quitting in game 7 because they were huge underdogs. Many ppl thought a sweep was coming. Nash was the mvp that season. The fact that his entire team was full of scrubs and they’re in game 7 was enough
Nope Actually it wasnt enough
When Lakers 3-1 lead and Kobe Bryant supposed to be the best closer in NBA history and blew a lead and lost 4-3 to Suns in 2006 NBA playoffs
Kobe Bryant CHOKED in that series and quit in game 7
Kobe Bryant tapped out
I dont agree with Rob Parker much but hes 100% right about nobody brings up fact Kobe Bryant blew 3-1 lead and lost 4-3 to Suns and refused to shoot game 7
I rather have Tim Duncan's career to be honest with the cultural impact of Kobe.
Haven't listened to a second of this and I already know this is going to piss me off
@kobebeabb2481 So people with their own opinion pisses you off? Grow up bruh seriously.
@@hardworkingcriminal4873 no, ppl with bad takes piss me off
Duncan had better longevity (2nd in MVP voting as a rookie and at 36 made an All-NBA first team) and peak. 03 Spurs were horrible, his second best player was a 20 year old Parker averaging 14 points on 39% shooting and he still won. Kobe had better help when he won, a slower start, a sharper decline and a ton of baggage. Duncan by far
no he didnt. LOL Duncans peak was about 5 years, Kobes was double that.
@@alxfonso4924 you’re confusing peak with prime, but either way Duncan made all nba teams between 98-2015, Kobe was 99-2013, so even Duncan’s prime was 3 years longer 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 Kobe has the second most all NBA first teams of all time. And he has more all defensive first teams than Duncan too. And he averaged 25+ppg for 13 seasons straight
@@beattheodds6219 He has 1 more All-NBA first team than Duncan, and whilst he has 1 more defensive first team (because his competition was weaker) Duncan has 3 more defensive teams total.
Duncan also played less seasons than Kobe.
@@hardwoodthought1213 Duncan played one less season than Kobe and was a superstar right away. Kobe got his all NBA first teams in a shorter span . Duncan has the most all defensive teams ever. Kobe has the second most ever .
There were two things that people forget. The game that he quit and when he threatened to leave LA..They act like he never quit and they act like he was a Laker for life and never wanted to leave
He never left so he was a laker for life lol
Tim Duncan for me more mvps regular season and finals
Duncan for sure! His team never missed the playoffs and is always a threat to win every season in the competitive western conference.
Duncan in his prime went 7 straight years with no finals appearances.....facts
This is one of those endlessly debatable questions because there is no wrong answer. Both careers were so great, both players were so brilliant, both stars really sum up the values of where their team is from.
If I were drafting to build a team, give me Duncan. I think he'll be much easier to build a winner around.
If I'm picking a career for myself, give me Kobe. I love the glamour and the flash of his game.
There’s no right or wrong answer to this. It boils down to personal tastes. Some flashier personalities will prefer Kobe and more low key people Tim Duncan.
We’ve mythicized Kobe to basically be what Duncan so humbly was.
What???
Learn some English too
Apparently there’s a need for English classes for a couple of individuals.
Because Kobe did things on the court that had you in awe. Duncan was "boring". Basketball is also entertainment and kobe was the best entertainer
@@abualzuaree I 💯% agree!!!
Tim Duncan hands down. It’s harder to create tradition than to carry it on. Plus he was a better teammate.
Ducan had the better team and still ended up with the same titles as kobe with 5 Tim always had a good team they never had to rebuild , the lakers had to rebuild and still won 2 out of 3
Riq Butler They only had to rebuild because of him he forced them to start all over from scratch. I don’t get what point you’re tryna make.
You could argue Tim Duncan had the most perfect career of any of the greats he never missed the playoffs 5/6 in the finals and his last game was a game 6 in the WCSF while Kobe’s last game was against Utah with nothing on the line
Sone kittens react positively to gravy when they are being weaned off being bottle-fed.
Duncan all day every day. He didn't want to be the guy who goes out on a retirement tour chucking up 50 shots. He was busy winning 50+ (60+ actually) games as usual looking for a title. Won 5 titles in 3 different decades playing a huge variety of team styles.
Didn't Tim Duncan blow a series with 2 bad point blank lay ups? 6:55
The fact that you vaguely remember something that mint might or might not have happened tells you everything about Duncan. Meanwhile Kobe cost the Lakers in '04, '06, and probably '08.
@@blackphillip564 haha! good point. in general, i agree, however, they made it sound like he never messed anything up which is such a blanket statement.
Kobe was told by Phil Jackson don't shoot that much so he followed the gameplan
He didn't wait to follow the "gameplan" till the second half when they were down by double digits. He stopped shooting because he was pouting. I love Kobe but I can't defend him when it comes to that second half against Phoenix
@@stinger5127 if you listen to his explaination. The suns didnt care if he scored or not. Alot of nba teams could be demoralized by him scoring. he shot 15 or 16 times in the first half and it didnt matter. The only other option was to get his team going
Phil Jackson didnt tell Kobe Bryant not to shoot at all
And if so I'm still gonna criticize Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant gave the ball up and sat at the top of the key and did nothing at all but watch
Kobe Bryanta wasnt aggressive he could have drove to the lane draw defenders and double teams to get his teammates open looks on his passes
Nope Kobe Bryant just gave ball up and sat in the corner
2006 NBA playoffs
Suns 121 Lakers 90
Kobe Bryant 3 shot attempts and 1 point quit
And that's why Charles Barkley ripped him
Duncan is great cause of his poker face I never see him snap on his teammates he go out there and ball.
Kobe’s career had greatness and redemption. That’s what makes his career awesome and the last 5-6 he fought through hell. Kobe was great and popular. People slushed over Duncan and Kobe’s style was t loved. He should have 3 regular season MVPs but he’s loved because Kobe gave us something we’d never seen
Hope u remember lebron the same way
sad bro, the kobe hate continues...
If Duncan had won 5 chips in NYC the narrative would've been different
Another thing I am shocked nobody mentioned is that 2012-13 Lakers with Nash, Gasol, MWP, Kobe and prime Dwight and how they ended up 8th seed in big part because Kobe could not play with Dwight and remember Dwight was coming from Orlando where he was the best player there and one of the best players in the league. That team ended up in the 8th seed barely and while I understand they had a few injuries here or there, they overwhelmingly underachieved and let's not get it twisted it is in large because of leadership style of Kobe, amongst other things of course. They were projected to go to finals and face-off with Heat and Bron, but they got swept in the first round by Spurs and even though Kobe did not play in that series, I do not think it would have been much different since that entire season they were looking borderline awful.
A few injuries really? Dwight back was shot. Steve nash could hardly walk and Kobe torn his Achilles.
Kobe only reason they made playoffs. He willed them there. Dwight was a baby at time, steve nash was a shell of himself, pau also .
Duncan had a better career, more regular season MVPS, more finals MVPs, a better finals record 5-1. The only loss was the miracle Ray Allen shot. Never missed the playoffs, etc. His career was truly great. He top 10 all time. Kobe was a great competitor, with an incredible work ethic. His problem was he couldn’t shoot. Both great players . Duncan top 10, Kobe a top 15 type player.
Rob, Kobe was fundamentally sound, too. He had the best footwork ever.
Not only do that, Kobe wanted to be traded, because he played with BUMS. Then he wanted Bynum traded for Kidd, but Lebron goes to Miami with a on his last knee and turned stretch big who y'all act like he was Tim Duncan and he gets ripped.
Kobe gets more credit so in that sense I’d rather be him but objectively Duncan had a better career imo. Sustained excellence over such a long period is harder than a higher peak imo. Esp if you have Shaq
If your yelling Kobe your missing 😅😅🤣🤣
Chris always contradicts himself, he just said Tim Duncan only averaged 15 points per game the last finals against Miami in 2013. Then he said David Robinson was a beast during the first championships, he averaged 17.8 per game during the 99 season, just trying to buffer his point
Exactly, I’ll take 16 points and 10 rebounds with elite defence and only scoring 1 point less per game than the leading scorer in Parker than 2000 when Kobe scored 11 less than Shaq with average Defense, Duncan’s 1014 ring he had way more impact than Kobe had for his first ring
Kobe. Nobody talks about Tim or David Robinson. Spurs were not entertaining to watch
You clearly a casual fan
@@arizonaFIREent Hows that make you a casual? Everybody knows Tim Duncan is known as the most boring superstar ever. But stating facts makes you a casual? lol ok
@@arizonaFIREent the casuals will tell you since they don't know basketball but they know kobe because he transcended basketball
David Robinson should’ve been more exciting to watch, he was a super athletic big that was very explosive, Robinson was probably more athletic than Kobe
Tim Duncan was boring but he was a winner I think it’s just a popular contest with Kobe because I thought the Spurs were very entertaining to watch I enjoyed watching Kobe and Duncan they had different play styles because Kobe was definitely jack em up joe
I’d take Duncan because he didn’t have bad moments like Kobe. 2004 finals was Kobe’s fault. 3-1 lead was kobe. Getting shaq out was kobe
i hated the spurs so much before but was so amazed how they keep on beating power houses like dallas. suns. pistons. lakers
I've always respected Tim Duncan game and leadership, but Kobe is the one I'd choose ✌️
I'm a L.A. native I would say Kobe Bryant is in the top.7 of greatest Laker players, and all I can say he is Great!