Ryobi 18v HP 🆚 LITHIUM Battery Review & Test | Black Friday 2020
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What Ryobi Battery packs the most power? In this video I test the 2 most popular Ryobi one+ 18v batteries, the 4Ah HP vs. 4Ah Regular Lithium. Both of the batteries are on sale this Black Friday and during Ryobi Days at Home Depot. So what we need to know is the HP battery worth the extra cost and how do they work when paired with a Brushless Ryobi tool? In this video I review and test both these batteries head-to-head on a brushless circular saw and the answer is clear....check it out to see what is the best Ryobi battery.
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The one+HP does get 30% more power in terms of longevity but if that's all we're noticing then buy the 2 pack for 20 dollars less and have a 70% cut increase for 20% less money out. I appreciate all Ryobi is doing though. Great tools and battery compatibility.
You got 89 cuts from the regular battery, and you got 125 cuts from the lithium+ HP battery. But that difference in capacity has nothing to do with the HP battery or even the brushless tools. The performance difference between those two batteries is not between HP and non-HP, it's in that little "+" symbol. The black batteries that do not say lithium+ use crappy Sony lithium cells. The lithium+ batteries use much higher quality Samsung lithium cells which hold their voltage much better under load. Not many people know about that, and I hardly hear anybody talking about that. It's Ryobi's Dirty Little Secret, and why they can sell the black batteries for so much less money.
My grea battery looks the same as the genuine. I bought it for a leaf blower and clips in solid runs well. I'm buying another couple
So is it always about the batteries across the board?
125 vs 90 = aprrox 30% more cuts. Seems to (sort of) match the claim. But 2 standards 180 vs 125 = approx 50% more cuts for 20% less money.
Right - in the end is the reason that I suggested going with the 2 standard batteries for $79
@@Kitearmy Yeah...I just thought I'd show the math :)
@EnuffsEnuff318 thanks mate...my teacher always said "show your math" 😀
@@Kitearmy but tool with standard batery dont have the power. It was testet
Thanks for the TLDR
This is EXACTLY the test I've been looking for. You just helped me make my buying decision. Thanks for a great and informative video.
Glad I could help!
Thank you for showing us these very practical tests! Keep up the good work.
Yes sir!
Very nice review! A basic multimeter on my Ryobi batteries didn't tell me much so I like seeing real results like here. I'm an early adopter of the 18v system and one piece of advice for anyone with older chargers is don't rely on them when trying to charge a battery. I've been able to charge batteries with a newer charger when one of my older chargers couldn't (it would flash the lights showing defective/fault). Charger itself has technology that matters.
Great comment - thanks for the warning
i just discovered that the other day!
Also, you can be charging one standard while using the second. "Cut for Buck" goes to the standard batterys.
I second that
@@Kitearmy 3rd
4th
I totally agree with you, I've done the same thing but with the trimmer and blower, it's good for lighting also, with the 2 black batteries the timing is shorter but if you don't mind changing the batteries you'll get about 50% more time for the buck, but I have to see in the long run will the black batteries will resist like the grey batteries, that is the question ❓
Very nice. Pretty heavily and happily invested in the Ryobi line of tools for my projects. Thank you for the video
Glad it was helpful!
Great Video, perfect timing as I need to replace batteries and was wondering what to buy. You convinced me for the standard vs HP. Not even considering aftermarket.!!
Glad I could help!
Thanks for the test, I've been wondering about this exact battery, now I know and it's a no brainer, awesome job
Glad to help
What a refreshing tool video. New subscriber!!!
Thanks mate - welcome to the club
Hahaha , you were very funny watching in the beginning of the video , another good video , I agree , don't think I would pay that extra for the slight difference.
Thanks mate - nothing is better than an informative video with a little humor sprinkled in
thank you friend for showing us the difference of each battery. actually thought the HP would be the better long lasting pick. But thanks for your time in showing us which batery would be better in the long run. will be waiting for more videos in the future!
Glad to help
Your video was very well done, thank you!
Thanks mate
Awesome! You're the only one that tested realizing the two extra pins. Thanks for saving me a ton of money. Great job!
Glad I could help!
Hah! That was funny! The ad break came on right during the ryobi advertisement that was a part of your video was for Konalt 24 Volt tools! Lol
Gotcha
You do a nice job. 👍 Was impressed by the cordless blower test too.
Thank you!
As usual, very informative and entertaining video. I am curious about how long it took to test the cuts on both of those batteries.
Thanks mate....about 15 seconds in high speed
I have 8 year old battery's that still work and charge fine. Ran fans and lights during the last hurricane here in florida. Ran all night. Thanks ryobi !
Thanks for sharing
Great stuff! And compared to the regular circular saw, A brushless circular saw and hp battery combo is king! One thing. I don’t think pinching the saw blade is considered bog down. I think the bog down they refer to is when cutting through a hard wood. The hp battery will provide more power to the saw to cut through the higher density.
Yeah - the bog down thing is weird. I just pushed the saw as much as possible. Not sure that is what they meant in the Ryobi video....
Kite Army I’m pretty sure that’s what they were referring to. I own the 40 V lawnmower and I noticed that when I run over a thicker patch of grass, the motor suddenly increases its power to cut through it. Then, once I have cleared the patch it slows down to a normal pace.
@@chinzito I wonder if that is based on a communication with the motor and battery
I wondered about that "bog down" term also. I thought it referred to going through some really tough wood and the HP battery would release extra power to make it through the cut. I could get any saw, including my corded circular saw, to "pinch the saw blade" and shut down if I went as fast as in this video. I have the Ryobi Brushless Circular Saw + HP battery and it is more powerful than my Ryobi brushed circular saw when cutting wood at a "normal" speed.
@@gtaus1 Yeah - you could not see the extra power in the bog down test but in the cut quantity it was clear
Thanks for the info, that's why I buy the aftermarket batteries and they perform very good!
Thanks, this is exactly the information I needed!
Glad it was helpful!
That was a GREAT video!
I've been buying Ryobi for years.
Pointing out those two new contacts on the HP battery, I very much doubt that my old tools ( still going strong ) have those contacts.
Glad it helped!
Great video as always!! So if a tool doesn’t have the contact points there will be no advantage to the HP?
@@RonRova
Correct
Brilliant test. Thanks for your hard work.
Thank you! Cheers!
Very glad you did this. Thanks 👍
Glad you liked it
Good job.
Watching the ryobi video with popcorn:)
So funny 🤣
Thanks mate
Proper test video rather than arbitrary things. I appreciate it, bud.
I appreciate that!
Love your methodology and agree with your conclusions. Was quite disappointed that the drill and impact didn't even have the 'HP' contacts but if the whole 'won't bog down' claim is bogus I'm not sure why.
Because they think they can get away with it
Thanks for the video!
I'm always confusing about their battery line up
Glad to help
My only problem with Ryobi is the battery form factor. I have had issues with even minor drops with that extended "tower of pisa " when it hits the ground. But I love the amount of supported devices
And it takes a lot more room in the tool box... or anywhere.
Thanks for clearing up the terms HP & regular for 4ah batteries
You bet!
The 4.0 ah High Performance batteries are on sale at Home Depot right now in a 2 pack for $99.95 The standard 4.0 2 pack is $79.95 For $20 difference they are well worth it. 👍
Very informative! :)
Thanks mate!
Hey Andrew!!
Awesome news again about Ego!! I know I am telling you this here in Ryobi review vídeo 😂 but check out the new three videos that Ego posted about the ZeroTurn Mower. Insane awesome.
Cheers my friend from Wisconsin and can’t wait to see your video about it!!
Thanks mate...they wait will not be long
Solid video. Can't argue with this one.. good job
Thanks mate
Wow. Very interesting. I have and run my own business. We have mostly Ryobi 18volt tools and couldn’t be happier with them. They get the job dome the same and afford me the ability to buy more variety of tools. And if they get stolen or damaged it’s not that bad to replace them. I find that the battery perform very similar amd not worth the extra cost. I juts bought a pair of the 4ah standard batteries today. Great video. I find that adding a Diablo blade make these as any saw perform much better out of the box.
Speaking of Diablo blades - check this out: czcams.com/video/9tOL4-CELFM/video.html
thanks for your effort and patience to make the video .
Your welcome - Super nice for you to say
I Love it! Thank You!!!
I'm glad you like it
I do not know if you have but would be interesting to see the internals of those batteries and what cells they are using because if both are 4Ah then they should both store the same amount of energy and should last the same amount of time, which makes me think the HP one might have a higher mAh cells and then under-rating it on the box, the other option is the cells could be the same mAh but be a better quality cell that is able to put out more amps at one time and so be more resistant to voltage sag that would trigger battery protection. My guess is with the first option and they simply slapped the anti bog marketing crap as a way to try and sell them as new and better.
Great info. Thanks
Thanks for that test! Results where unexpecting to say the least.. Are there any point to by their new HP series tools if they dont really benefit from those extra connectors?
I really have not figured that out
Would be interesting to see if the impact version of this would in fact output more torque with the HP vs. standard pack?
I will do more testing
Thank you for confirming what I already suspected.
You're welcome
Great call on what is the real value in batteries.
Thanks mate
Perfect for my needs. I don’t need more power, but more longevity will help when I’m in the field working on fences. That extra 30% could be the difference for me
just carry the second battery with you and you will get even more time than with the hp, unless you are old and arthritic like me and dont have the power in your fingers to switch out batteries
I believe the tool has sensor that stops operation when to much force is exerted on tool to prevent damage to internal mechanism , as can seen in bog down test, good review, shows benefit of new battery & brushless tools.
Thanks mate
Just the comparison I wanted. Was debating if it was worth it to get the top tier but seems to make no difference plus there is the added weight and cost. Need two batteries to keep a fresh one on stand by or charging while using the other. Thanks for the tests.
Glad I could help
Love your videos, they are real and objective and help us a lot to pickup the right power tools, thanks for a great labor !! ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
Thanks mate - love to help
Great testing. New subscriber here.
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you for the video definitely helps
Glad it helped
Great presentation! The real cost tradeoff for the "HP" is still a mystery though, let me 'splain. If both batteries are truly 4Ah then what is the HP doing to get more yield? I suspect the individual cells inside the HP pack are better managed such that their useful capacity, or yield is closer to the 4Ah rating. (They may also use a better cell design that allows greater operation range.) Now I need to know the "life rating" of the packs. For example, would I expect the HP pack to provide more cycles of operation?
I have many Hitachi 12V tools where the batteries have lasted 10 years. Their battery cells are Panasonic (made in Japan) and the cell charging management for the packs is excellent.
The HP or High Energy batteries use larger cells that have a higher discharge capacity.
So they are larger
I have High Energy battery RB18L30 and it sinks screws in wood more than twice the depth at the fast speed
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
If I was a contractor using my tools all day everyday I might spring for the HP battery as not having to change batteries so often might be a time saver. Also he did the bog down test with two fully charged batteries so they were the same. Try it again after both batteries have made 70 cuts. The regular battery would be close to discharged and bog down while the HP battery could power through.
As a homeowner that only uses my tools occasionally I’d definitely would get the regular batteries.
Interesting demonstration! I never did quite understand the claim that the battery 'senses' a bog-down and sends a 'burst' of power to compensate. Unless the circuit board is artificially limiting the output of power, the battery's output is already limited by the discharge rate of the actual cells. I also find it interesting that both batteries are advertised as '4Ah', which is a very clear claim of power over time (4 amps per hour in this case). If the draw from the saw was identical/similar, then based on the claim, they should both run out of juice at about the same time. I'd love to see AVE do a tear-down of these batteries to compare them!
me too
Excellent video!!!
Thank you very much!
Thank you for making and sharing this video. I just became a home owner and plan on doing my own upgrade projects but I don't know too much about power tools. What's the difference between brushless and standard tools? Should I invest in the more expensive brushless or not?
Hi - if you will only use the tools a few times a month, go with the brushed. Good sales on them right now. If you starting using them more, you will know when the time is right to spring for the brushless.
If you don't mind corded tools you'll find them all day long on Craigslist or OfferUp for cheap. It's great for the occasional weekend cutter.
@@rxonmymind8362 Good suggestion
Get a cordless drill. But for other power tools just get corded.
What model brushless saw are you using? I just bought a new 7-1/4” hp model but the blade is on the wrong side. I’m looking for a saw with a left sided blade. But I want the HP Technology. Any recommendations?
I currently own a 6hour battery, a 4hour a regular hp and two standard. I can power through any job. I recently mowed a full acre with my Ryobi weed wacker on 2 1/2 batteries!!!!!
Those bigger batteries go a long way
I caught myself eating popcorn while watching you eat popcorn watching the promo.
LOL - I was eating popcorn when I read your comment
Cool video dude! Can you do a video on a ONE+ 18V Cordless Hybrid WHISPER SERIES? I’m skeptical about purchasing one of these because of the duration. I live in a hurricane zone so I don’t own any of these items with batteries.
Great video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the review with useful results. Base on the price point of view the regular model is a much better deal.
05/04/2022 - Update: Home Depot Canada is selling 2 pack on both the P145 regular High Capacity for $99.00 and the PBP2004 High Performance on sale for $139.00 which makes the 40% difference justifiable (125 cuts vs 88 cuts =42% difference) which just break even and not really beneficial unless the owner's tool is able to take advantage of producing more torque or/and take less time to complete the same task.
I'm with you....the HP in my opinion is not worth over double the cost
The HP battery does in fact give more power and in fact last longer. I have put both to the test myself. Just a minor note the terminals are the point of contract the extra two on the back are for certain tools but they all work the same you will still get the same results
Are the ones used for the mower, Trimmer and other lawn tools that same? I hate that you don't get enough time to mow your own lawn in one battery. Not even two; and I have an average yard to mow.
I love how they say "Improved, Lithium ion Technology"! Milwaukee used 26650 in their V28 system from 2004! Where are those at now?
Sure - you mean 20 year old lithium technology
@@Kitearmy maybe so, but imaging the output they would have. Back then they were 2.5 ah per single cell. Im sure by now they could get them up to 5 or 6.
@@pointedspider I think the next breakthrough is going to be supercapacitors
@@Kitearmy I agree. I've done a lot of research on supercaps. If they can overcome the obstacles they will eliminate the battery.
Aren't V28 system runing on those A123 lithium phosphate battery ?, those where high power monsters back in the days !
The real question is what flavor of popcorn was it? My vote is caramel! Hahah honestly amazing video I see an improvement even from the last one.
Thanks mate - happened to be a fun video to make
It's cheddar smartfood....party size!
Raise your hand if you have killed an entire bag in a single sitting.... *Hand up*
@@drwheycooler8423 it's addictive stuff - after you raise your hand don't forget to lick your fingers
great video, what was that vice table you used to hold the lumber?
jawhorse - it's handy but heavy
How long does it usually take to change standard 18V battery?
finally, a real review that tests the battery... how hard was that?
I guess it was hard
VCG construction did it years ago
@@rh3309 Couldn't find it
Great video thanks
I have a Ryobi one+ Lithium 18volt P102 battery
Will it fit the newer Ryobi Tools?
says nothing about battery
Should do
It would be interesting to see a Diablo blade on ryobi ,and see if it can double the amount of cuts preformed with the hp battery. It would also show how one manufactures product benefits the performance of another.
check this out: czcams.com/video/9tOL4-CELFM/video.html
How about the instant power vs. longevity though? On the ONE+ miter saw usage, that's some heavy duty usage and I'm wondering if the HP will do better (it comes with an HP).
I guess your "bog down" test should be what addresses this.
I would venture to guess that the HP battery recognized a possible overheating and shut the saw quickly and. Having a had brushes melt my tool in the past it's probably a good idea.
Secondlie I would have liked to see you change the blade out Before & After switching batteries.
Otherwise I appreciate the head to head and understanding the difference in quality
Thanks mate
Thanks for your video 👍
Was the difference because one is HP and one is standard? At same voltage, 4AH = 4AH no?
Maybe the standard battery had an issue?
Imagine you have two buckets in tje same room,, filled with water and both at the exact same level. Then you put a whole the same size in both. Both buckets will take the exact same time to empty.
I would try this again with another set of batteries.
Can you please comment?
Yep - just HP pack vs regular
lol at your popcorn show during the "propaganda" promo. Thanks for this comparison btw!
Glad you liked - yummy popcorn
I wonder if this would give an advantage on an impact drill on a lug nut test
Well the Ryobi impact wrench does not have the connections for the HP batteries
What cells?
Great test. Ryobi is strange these days. If they were a pro line where time=money, every bit matters but for diy, the small differences not as much. They have a 650ft-lb impact wrench now like they kinda' want to enter apprentice pro category.
Yeah - I never consider Ryobi pro - more like DIYer
can they be used in other ryobi tools. later models. 100. dolars for batters is to much. and if it worth it.
Did you use the same blade throughout? I wonder if this might also be a factor
Yes - I have a blade test coming
I have a lawn mower that uses these. The HP battery allows me to cut for a much longer period of time before changing out. Worth the extra money? It depends on the project. I'm out in the hot sun mowing, I'll spend a bit more for a longer lasting battery.
good case
"Ya got city hands, Mr. Hooper....been counting money all your life."
"I don't need this working class hero crap"
1 for $100, or 2 for $80. I'll take 2 for $80 all day.
If I wanted more power, I wouldn't be using Ryobi.
That is true...but for people who want to by Ryobi it was an interesting test
I was thinking the same thing. Also, buying two of the standard lithium batteries, you still have one if one goes bad. And you can charge one as you use the other battery.
@@franzenders344 Right
Dude just wait for a deal. I GOT 2 9AH HP ryobi batteries for $150.
@@randybobandy9828 Still not a good deal. The non HP can get 4 for about the same price.
I was a ryobi guy for decades cause the low cost. Recently the cost is pretty close to Dewalt so i upgraded to Dewalt and WOW. YOU NEED TO UPGRADE LIKE I DID.
I have noticed the price creeping up - I would go Milwaukee over Dewalt
@@Kitearmy Milwaukee is a good choice too
I do notice the difference on my saw, when using a 3Ah high energy battery, it performs much better than my standard 5Ah batteries,
Base on review videos, the 3Ah High Performance is actually able to out perform even the new 4Ah High Performance due to the cell design. Unfortunately, Ryobi is planning to discontinue the 3Ah High Performance battery.
Good call..been wondering how big is the difference...get 2 and get more run time!!
glad to help
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That's good content. 👍
I like the Demonstration.
I have Ryobi tools and I've been looking to buy new batteries.
I needed this information.
Thanks, Kite Army 👍
glad it was useful :)
So the bms will cut the battery off. Its the same bms in both batteries. If anything the batteries won't fet as hot in the HD. Its hard to know without opening them. Most ryobi use sanyo cells which aren't very good
They are okay for what you pay
The drill and impact you show are part of their compact series I think. Maybe the regular hp tools do benefit from the batteries.
Should try HP's strength test on an impact wrench vs non-hp batteries. Maybe HP batteries provide with only 35% more runtime. How about max torque output in your impact wrench?
I hope they improve the torque
@@Kitearmy test it with hp battery vs no hp battery the torque.
For the second test was that a dull blade??
same blade for all tests
Could it be for the bog down test that the saw was brushless but not an HP model???
I believe the brushless is the HP tool
I solved the Ryobi tool/battery issues and.
I bought all new Milwaukee tools
good fix
I have a Ryobi 3.0 amp hour non-HP battery that has the extra contacts on it like the HP models. And I have a brushless drill that has the matching contacts. So the jury is still out, but I plan on buying the 4.0 batteries 2 for $79 when I get a chance.
I wonder if the battery is a lithium+
@@Kitearmy My apology, sometimes I look and I don't see. I just checked my 3.0 and it does indeed have the HP tag on it. Again, my apology for the misleading and wrong comment. Take care and Happy New Year.
@@clydeperrine2959 No worries mate - thanks for sharing
Sale on these batteries at HD right now. $79 for a two pack on the standard batteries.
thanks for the alert
Great video! Do the batteries have the same charger?
Yes they do
Oh and hello :)
Good video bro
Appreciate it
I watched this video and it took me to the end to realize who you (sort of) remind me of. It kept eating at me. You are the for adults version of Chad Wild Clay ;-) He could be your nephew.
Strange thing is - he is
@@Kitearmy I can’t tell if you are joking or not ;-). You’re video was super helpful though!
Good video. The circular saw will cut better if you extend the teeth of the blade only a little over the bottom.
Thanks mate - someone else suggested that too